tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC June 30, 2022 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
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right pause because of the power of this factual evidence. take the republican prosecutor we have cited before, andrew mccarthy. a fox-news favorite, who wrote a whole book defending trump in the mueller probe, and accusing others of pushing the real collusion, which is one reason he is on fox quite a bit and has a huge conservative legal following. he was also appointee in the southern district of york under rudy giuliani himself, so he is a reagan' appointee and that doj. but he is also someone who -- and you see his face on the screen you may recognize him because he is on fox -- he is someone who says he also tries to deal with legal analysis. perhaps, it is a more confident variety. he clearly was in the reagan revolution but he is respond to the evidence. he says when you look at the evidence, as a criminal-legal matter, it is devastating against trump, and that the new evidence in that hearing makes a big difference.
he is saying this in public and this week, he is now emphasizing that really as far as he is concerned for the first time, there is now direct evidence showing trump committed crimes, and backed violence. we will let you hear it for yourself. >> trump was clearly aware just moments before he took the podium that you had a mob of heavily-armed people. the critical things he says there are the they are not here to hurt me, which mean -- implies that, in his mind, he knows they are here to hurt someone. and the second thing he says if they can come in, they can hear me and then they can march to the capitol. so, he is very aware that you have a mob that's armed to the teeth, that he is planning to -- to encourage to -- to march on the capitol. that knowledge -- um -- opens up the possibility that you could prosecute for aiding and
abetting the intimidation of federal officials, which is a pretty serious. crime. >> do you expect we are going to see trump prosecuted by the justice department on -- on any of these charges? >> i do now, yeah. >> i do now. that's just three words. i gave you his credentials. he is saying what he thinks will happen. based on the evidence. he does think there is a case to indict donald trump, and he does think it is now passed the line from debatable evidence to overwhelming evidence of a violent felony which is serious, that's true. and that last word, "now," it speaks to what everyone is wondering about these insurrection hearings. about this difficult interbranch process. the now is that the evidence has passed a certain point. and i will just say on a personal note, mr. mccarthy, a lawyer who talks act these issue, reports on them, and analyzes them on tv, as do i,
that night of the hearing when i was sitting there, here on msnbc in our coverage for you with rachel and our whole team, i said that was a sad day. we marked that as a sad day because the overwhelming evidence showed this criminal intent and action and illegal order by the president. and i will remind you when i said then. it's sad because, had you get to that point, that is a sad thing for the country. and if a former president has to be charged because that is has the evidence shows, that's grave and serious. and i said that if a former president acts that way, that the evidence is that clear and is not charged, that is also sad. because ultimately, this is about what happened and what the united states or this justice department will decide to do about it, when there are no good options because when incumbent presidents do what that reagan' appointee just described, when
they menace federal officials, when they openly encourage violence, issue illegal orders to violence, when they attempt a coup, whether physically or verbally, demand to go down to the capitol. that is not in doubt. to go help and join armed supporters. krae, that is a sad day and that's now what he is been exposed and that was not to be clear/proven -- the violent part, the armed part, with regard to donald trump's mind state, his mens rea was not proven before these hearings began. now, that is mccarthy, an independent-conservative lawyer. then you have donald trump's own lawyers ask you can often track you howe bad it is going by how they are doing. giuliani having his license suspended to john eastman having his phone seized and pat-down by federal agents. you see him there, the plotter his hands in the air. he is urn the control of federal
agents hor doing a forcible, lawful pat down and they took his phone. we have more on that story tonight. something that's been over shadowed by the hearings. and now, we have this development that congress has had it with donald trump's government lawyer serving during the insurrection, white house counsel pat cipollone. liz shane kri had been publicly pleading and warning him to cooperate. he is a lawyer. he knows he has a lawful obligation here but he did not. now, he is facing this new subpoena. and there is an old saying -- how many lawyers you got? a lot? it's not a good sign when you have too many lawyers. let criminal-defense lawyers. well, we know giuliani needs his own lawyer. eastman specifically need criminal lawyers. i showed you one just now. and tonight, i can tell you cipollone will need a lawyer to at least handle this new subpoena clash, for starters.
and if you want to say, okay, how does this tie to what depd this week? well, the star witness was not only implicating what andrew mccarthy says are indictable offenses committed by donald trump. the star witness also recounted mr. cipollones, at times, pivotal role. >> on january 3rd, mr. cipollone had approached me. mr. cipollone and i had a brief, private conversation where he said to me we need to make sure that this doesn't happen. this would be a legally terrible idea for us. mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. >> barreling down the hallway toward our office. pat was concerned it would look like we are obstructing justice. for obstructing the electoral college count. >> that last quote is what she says cipollone told her about
two crimes he was worried that were in progress by trump officials. and that's what he told her. you may have heard this thing cropping up on the right where some folks who are sifrm thetic to trump will say some of this is hearsay. two points on that. one, as audio legal matter, some of this is hearsay. but this is not a criminal yet. if folks are indicted for those type of offenses, then you deal of the hearsay rules. two, the reason the cipollone' testimony is currently hearsay is because of one person -- not her, not the star witness just heard, not the other witnesses, not the committee, the only reason it is allegedly hearsay is because mr. cipollone has not come in to testify fully on the record according to the committee. again given day he or mike pence or anyone else who wants to address so-called hearsay can stand up, show a little bit of courage as much as all their
other more junior aides have and eliminate the hearsay and talk and cooperate. now, in fairness, i want to be clear with you. cipollone is not in that category of the bannons or navarros who have just opinion completely defiant. he did take measures. previously had a meeting with the committee but not under oath. he then refused to testify publicly h requested. and now, with the subpoena, that is more heat on him ask there is a source saying he might consider sitting for transcribed testimony. so he is not in the total-defiance camp, nor is he in the cooperation camp. will the subpoena press him? well, it is brand new and we'll find out. meanwhile, donald trump seeing some cracks among his own former aides, lawyer, and supporters ask he is not turning to fox news which shaz featured some of the coverage of these damning facts. instead, he actually ent with out to news max, new this week, to deny the allegation, the key one that he knew peopler with armed and then to attack, again, yet another trump aide who has been testifying under oath with
ad hominem personal attacks against her. so take it all together and what do you see coming in view ? this is not the sign of some random kind of washington process that is just winding down. committee is not acting like that. witness aren't acting like that. the justice department is not acting like that as it seizes phones and raids home. and interestingly, not even donald trump, he is not acting like that. it would appear that the binding and serious evidence that's been submitted here on the record, that is accumulating and that is not done, is making its mark. with that in mind, we turn to two special guests and experts who know the way around these these issues. former federal prosecutor in georgia americale j. moore. and former governor and chair of the dnc, howard dean. well to both of you.
mr. moore, your take on that same question of what people like mr. mccarthy are seeing whether it supports indictment and whether there is a mark being made by some of this evidence. >> well, i am glad to be with you. i may be in the other camp and, you know, anybody that thinks i am defending trump, that is not my point here but i do think we are at a place we have heard a lot of hearsay. we have heard some allegations. we talk about can we prosecute the trump orbit? or people in the trump orbit? that's not how you prosecute. so, hopefully, with the media sort of narrowing down who is the target? is there somebody/some way, they can show in fact trump was pulling strings, being the godfather if you will of the -- of the event there? let me throw this out, though. i think probably the most serious thing that i have heard about a prosecution, and i -- i would agree that this may be a real threat to him and that is this idea of witness tampering.
if they can link the witness tampering we heard about in the committee hearing, in trump's direction, i think that is a much her likely scenario you may see a prosecution on. it removes the political obstacles. it reloves issues you have to deal with because he was a candidate at the time. and even when we talk about just the facts that came out, this idea he directed people to come through the maga. if you just change the reflection of the statement attributed to him, which is they are not here to hurt me versus you are not here to hurt me. it changes the entire context of the discussion. and so, those things would have to be overcome. you don't have those same hurdles to jump over if you just took about the fact -- >> michael, i'll jump -- i'll jump -- i'll jump in to litigate this a little and then when we are done lawyering, howard can just come in and talk like a normal person. uh, i don't think you go through an armed insurrection and the only capitol attack in the united states in the last century, to do tampering.
i mean, it's important and people go to jail for it. but this ain't a tampering case. uh, if prosecutors see that -- wait, i'm gonna finish and then you'll finish. okay. if prosecutors want to deal with that, they can do so. it's not nothing and we have seen federal mafia cases and other deal with it but we are talking about an armed attack on the seat of government with multiple people in trump's orbit saying -- admitting in public, their goal was to overthrow the election. they are claiming the fifth over that pursuant activity. and he issued with what one expert on this program called an illegal order. i get you on the inflexion and yes, everyone gets their day in court to explain what they meant what they said. but he also asked them to let in the armed people and i don't care whether you are the president of the united states or a random agent, you do not let armed people in. and that alone audio seem to be
an illicit order. so with that on the table, i let you respond. >> i don't put much stock in this. this guy is such a narcissist. he is worried act his crowd size at every event. and the issue at the capitol, there were issue down at the -- at the -- at the ellipse there. so, this is not a -- this is not a situation where he was lining up people the capitol toll steps. i will all for prosecuting people who deserve to prosecuted but you better have more than speculation and little hearsay there, little hearsay there. you better have someplace texts, messages, some witnesses who will come say he did this. he said that. that's what makes a prosecution. we can all write good books about the history of this thing and that's -- and again, i am not defending him. i'm not here is a -- >> no, you are -- you're here doing what he asked you to do which is independent legal nam sis we are talking about now. do you think mr. eastman -- do you think mr. eastman has criminal liability? he certainly seems to think he
he does. >> he may have some criminal liability. and that is -- we are going to see what is on his telephone. we will know did he make false documents? those will very different things than talking about a sitting president of the united states being charged for conduct while he was sitting president. i guess former president. >> wellet me bring in -- let me bring in howard. >> do we want that as a country and i think that's a ke. >> well, that is a different question, sir. that is a different question. i would -- i would encourage you -- hold on. i would encourage you not to conflate the evidence with the prudential matter. gosh, howard, i feel like i am really on a bad day in law school but the prudential matter is ultimately whether at a policy level, indicting certain individuals under a certain way, is a good idea. and you can take nixon, let's take trump out of it. you could take the position indicting nixon after he left
office was not prudentially right. that is very different than did nixon commit yiems? he the evidence shows he did. i will come back to you after howard. but, howard, your thoughts on awl the above? >> okay. so, since i am not an attorney and i have no ability to argue either one of you about any of this, let me tell you about the politics of it. herschel walker is now trailing raphael warnock in georgia by single digits but it is getting bigger. mike lee is in trouble in utah pause there is a young, uh, independent out there who is moderate and he was endorsed by the democrats but he is not a democrat. um, j.d. vance is behind tim ryan in ohio. so now, this is not all -- and this is in spite of the fact that -- that the democrats are running are ten points ahead of biden in terms of favorability. usually, had you what you see in the midterms is the president is unpopular drags the congress dune. not happening. there is two explanations.
most people today todd believe the supreme court is a rogue organization. that is a fact. there are approval ratings down around 33% and after today, it is going be worse. and if they start screwing around with the elections as they said they were going to do next year, they are going to be in the same boat as trump in terms of their respectability. so you have got that and then you got all this stuff about trump ask whether he is a crook. but it doesn't -- i mean, it almost doesn't matter whether he is a crook or not. i am for the rule of law and i believe he should be treated like every other american citizen and i will leave it to you gentlemen to figure all that out. but what the american public is seeing every single day is this guy is a crook. because when somebody gets charged, contrary to the jury vukzs, believes their guilty. it may not be right but that is how the system is. until did -- actually, you do better in a courtroom than the court of public opinion in this country. >> yep. >> so i think -- look, i think the guy a crook. i grew up in new york. he's never done an honest thing in his life. people don't lend him money in new york because they know they
will never get paid back. all this guy with deutsche bank. i mean, the guy is filth his whole life. and everybody he threw the plate against the wall ask all this kind of stuff. that's what people's going to remember. ask then, tisch james has not gore thing in new york and who knows what is going to happen there. the reason raphael warnock and jon ossoff are in the senate today are because of donald trump because during that runoff, there were particularly white women in the suburbs who said this is not somebody that shouldn't be going on in this country. that is haas going to happen again in the midterms. i think we are going to pick up a lot of seats. i do not think we are going to lose the house at this point. and, you know, you guys can mumbo jumbo about the legal stuff i am not making fun of it. it is really critical stuff but it is above my head and above the head of most american
people. this is a bad show for the president. >> i think you walked through a lot of key elements. howard, i have another question for you on that. if he do mumbo jumbo, i get to be michael. we have to have rules of the road here. >> we have to have a legal system. it is just the irish person doesn't understand it. >> well, and how had, the followup then goes to this apparent panic on the right because i was careful to quote there -- there are some people on the right who, of course, are diehard trump to the end. hannity and stuff on fox are still doing that. and yet, this crack may also reflect political self-interest to your point. "the wall street journal" editorial board um was moving this week. and that is murdock and they weren't yet saying, oh, they have some great concern about democracy. they were just saying, gosh, republicans should face trump's weaknesses here before you have to commit to him as a nominee. it seemed like political advice to your point because they see him as highly wounded.
howard? >> i agree that. and i, frankly, at this point, i did not see this in 2016. i warned that donald trump could win the election. in fact, he even called me up to -- for whatever reason, i don't return calls from people like that so i never return his call. this time, i would prefer to face donald trump than any other republican who is running. i think the younger people, desantis, and who are actually scarier because they are actually competent and don't have all the narcissism problems that trump does but i think some of the younger people in the republican party are more scare kri than donald trump from our point of view. >> hmm. well, all very interesting. we ran over on time. i appreciate the colloquy as he call it. we will continue it, howard, michael, would love tochb you both back. coming up, we have a legal breakdown which i mention as you look at those pat-downs. we have a special report on the supreme court cecile richards here we with talk about human
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actually estimate this court is now more conservative than fully 75% of americans when you compare what it is doing to ha people believe. howard dean just said this this has become an illegitimate court. although not just about roe, that and more, we will approximate joined by cecile richards when we are back in one minute. richards when we are back in one minute [submarine rising out of water] [minions making noise] minions are bitin' today. (sung) liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. minions: the rise of gru, in theaters july 1st. this is john. he hasn't worked this hard to only get this far with his cholesterol.
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now kind of become the anti-freedom party. and i have seen of course over the last few months what this has meant in the state of texas are women basically lost the right to safe and legal abortion back in september. it's created complete chaos. a feeling of fear, of people not knowing where to turn, and that is only going to get worse. we are not going to see that multiply across the country. i think the most important thing is even though this is the supreme court, it is making these decisions and they obviously don't seem to care about precedent or where the american people are at. they are put on there by the republican party. and so, to me, one of the thins that is probably underreported is that this has been the gull goal of the republican party, particularly in the issue of abortion for many, many years was to completely eliminate safe and legal abortion. and obviously, the human impact we are seeing already, in terms of what is happening to women. but the political impact i think
is coming. >> you say human impact. ask that is such an important part of this. he with try to cover the -- the facts, the law, but the real people impacted and regard to pregnancy, men have a role here, too. and, all of this has to be dealt with and has to be understood. we put together just a little bit of ha people are saying. this is people's own posts, things they chose to share online, tiktok and else are about all of this. take a look. >> they are pro-profrt and pro inequality. >> you are cool with the government forcing us to have a baby even though we're not ready? yeah, you have no rights over your own body. ♪ i am the righteous hand of god ♪ >> it is always kind of awkward when you are waurging with someone about apportion and they don't know you had an abortion, right? >> you know what the treatment for a miscarriage that won't leave your body is? it is an abortion. if you can't get these treatments, these abortions, you die. >> and i am not ready to be a
labor-and-delivery nurse in a world post roe versus wade. >> it is rare a supreme court decision reaches into the livens of everybody in this country. i know people have heard the republican' rhetoric for many, many years about pro-life, you know, this is what they are going to do. but now, it actually happened. of course, in texas we have seen a young woman jailed for an attempted miscarriage. we have seen women literally who never left the state of texas have to pack all their kids in their car and drive hundreds of miles to try to get to another state. and i think the interesting thing, glad you showed men there pause this is an issue that affects everyone. and when i look at what is happening in terms of the reaction, there are as many men as women in this country who believe the government has no business making decisions about pregnancy. and um, and this is -- i really feel like the republican -- you know,s the republican party is
kind of like the dog that caught the bus. they have been able to have their rhetoric without really the impact. ask now, we are seeing with this supreme court, again, put on largely by donald trump. we are seeing the impact in everyday people's lives. the one thing, ari, that is really striking to me, i think is underreported is he just had a generation of young people totally lose all of their rights and these guys -- they were never asked. these justices never even thought about the impact. i believe this supreme court is going to impact a complete realignment of young people in america away from the republican party on abortion, climate change, on lgbtq rights, you name it. maybe they will win in the short run but in the long run, they have become a minority party in the united states. >> really striking, which is with why we wanted to come back to you on the story. um, these stories, roe and the -- and the way that the court is impacting people in general, is something we are
going to stay on. so, thank you. let tell mel everyone what is coming up. we have raids, arrests, phone seizures. why are so many trump aides ending up in situations like what you see on your screen? that is coup plotter john eastman. we have a breakdown on that i mentioned coming up this hour. but first, something we think is significant. anita hill on the beat as he look at justice thomas's scandals, what he argues should happen on the court, and a day that also, today, as there are so many things going on marks history with the swearing in of the justice you see on your screen. anita hill live, next. anita hill live, next.
women's rights in america. and tonight, we are joined as you see by civil rights lawyer, and professor anita hill who spent decades working in this this field. i should note before he begin, she became initially known to many americans when she took a great risk to share her own testimony and work experience under oath about then-supreme court nominee clarence thomas. at the time, she faced an all-white, all a male panel as she explained what sexual harassment entailed as a legal matter ask what she face as a matter paernl. she has on anne esteemed career, including serl best-selling books at the intersection of social justice, gender, and race. and to americans -- and we have discussed this on the program before -- we ever told she's become a true example for how to lead, overcome adversity, and in her case, approximate a leader
in the me too movement before it was called that. her most recent book is "believing." thank you for coming pack on "the beat." appreciate you being here. >> it is good to see you and good to, uh, be able to talk about the topics of today. >> yeah. let's start views, analysis, of what decision in roe and people out there who are disappointed in it or feel that it is marking an ending. what do you say to them, both, as lawyer and a human? >> well, i think they have every reason to be concerned. i think the reality is that roe versus wade has been overturned. and that there will be, i believe, even stronger restrictions put on reproductive freedom in this country over the next few years. and you know, it reminds me of a case, i am sure you're -- you
know, shelby county versus holder case. >> uh-huh. >> as soon as that -- the -- the protections around voting rights were lifted by the supreme court. states throughout the country began to pass more restrictive laws. and change the -- the voting patterns of many people. and i think this is what is going to happen in -- in the case of the dobbs decision. that the dobbs' decision impact is going to be harsh and it's going to be sustained if, in some -- in some way, we don't respond to, um, impact at the state level beginning. and then, perhaps, um, be able to pass legislation at the federal level to protect reproductive freedoms and
rights. >> yeah. there has also been much debate about where it ends. justice alito proclaimed, but without much legal support, don't worry, we are not going to go farther than this. it struck me as not really legal reasoning but more just an assertion. then, justice thomas who he votes with more than just about anyone, wrote separately to say, actually, we need to make -- uh gay marriage or same-sex marriage illegal. we need to ban contraception, he said. make that lawful for states to choose to do. and he even went somewhere that i haven't heard any other republican-appointed justice to go, which is to say that he supports the power of the government to imprison people who have sodomy sex between the same gender as he put it. hafs your response to justice thomas's reasoning ask statement interest? >> well, i think that is probably a reflection of where many of the the states had will go ask the question is will the
supreme court allow it? what we have is a court that is already said we are going to turn this over to the states. and i suspect that even if there are challenges to more restrictive policies, that the supreme court is going to upset a very high bar for overturning has the states have -- will do. and i don't think that those assurances are really worth anything until we see the cases that come for the court. >> makes sense. uh, i am curious your view of the wider hypocrisy or clash that we have seen because we just lived through the pandemic, which started as a health crisis but very quickly became a crisis or debate over government powers. understandably so. we are a society are people hear about liberty and justice ask people have those debates. i get it. and yet, i ant to show you something that our team here put together so we are airing this for the first time, comparing
some prominent republican and conservative reaction to, um, optional or partial government encroachments on liberty in the covid emergency to the choice and abortion case. take a look. >> in south dakota, we are going to be free and we are going to make sure we don't overten our authorities. >> those babies are patients so they define them as patients, follow the science. >> this is a violation of their freedoms. >> this should be every american's right. the end goal of course is to completely end abortion, which is the most evil act, um, in -- in all of human history. >> that is more than freedom. that is the right to control and secure your own body. >> correcting that flawed decision finally law allows states and congress to protect life in ways we were never able to for the last 50 years. >> in the country and in the court, is there even an honest discussion of liberty here? >> of course there is always a discussion of liberty.
but what i think when i hear the differences in the pandemic restrictions and abortion, what i hear is a lack of concern for women's rights. and the inability to accept that women can make their own choices, just as the speakerser saying we could all make our own choices ask should be able to make our own choices during the pandemic. so, what is the -- what is the -- the -- the factor that really comes to mind is that when we are talking about gender equality, there is an attitude that it is not something that we ant to pursue as a country. full-gender equality, which would include the right to your own reproductive choices. and so, um, he need to have that discussion, of course we can have that discussion.
but in the meantime, what we have now is people are going to be put in great risk. you know, people commentary and people who have been fighting for reproductive freedoms will tell you that this case will impact people of color, low-income women, people in rural areas. people will not have access to the healthcare that they deserve and they they want for themselves and for their families. and so, this is the urgent issue that we have got to deal with. >> right and to your point, that -- that affects sort of people's actual lives. before i lose you, i had to get in one other thing, which is we -- we have you here today and i wanted to get your response to history on the supreme court. today, justice ketanji brown jackson is sworn in at a time
when you are talking about i am's women's rights ask ha everyone is looking at in the court. she -- we see it here on the screen -- formally joins the court, sworn in there by the outgoing justice breyer. your reaction? >> el, it is -- it's a -- it's an historic day. it is an exciting day for those of us who watch their hearings and are looking forward to having her on the court and she can begin her work now because she's officially been sorn in. i am excited to see how she, um, the other -- we'll call liberal judges at the moment will -- will -- will do and say. with a supermajority of conservative justices, i suspect that we will see a number of dissenting opinions. um, i hope that they will be strong and will help us really build a roadmap for how we will
be able to confront and address some of the pushback to rights, generally, that -- that -- that pushbacks that are going on in the court today. but it is -- it is one of the things that i will say about the three judges -- i am talking about sotomayor, elena kagan, and ketanji jackson -- um, they are going to be in a minority. but i can tell you that this is nothing new for any of those women. they have each probably found themselves as a minority in spaces throughout their lives. and i know that they will have grace and dignity and professionalism and so, i am very excited to see what is going to come out of -- of the court in the next few years. . >> right. fair point there as you mention on their experience. professor anita hill, thank you for being here. the book is "believing." we are going to fit in it a break, but when we come back
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program reporting on how a ragan era prosecutor says this new evidence against trump executing a search of a trump lawyer as they sought evidence regarding the same plot. this is recent video here that shows john eastman, the coup mastermind, as federal agents search him, pat him down with his hands on his head. they take and seize his phone there pursuant to a search warrant which was approved by a
judge and they later hand him, you'll see, that very search warrant. there it is. mr. eastman, who is a lawyer, is talking about it and holding the warrant in his hand. you can see he's apparently somewhat aggravated. he said he wants time to read it. this isn't normal. this is watergate level stuff if not worse. then you have trump's top coup supporter inside the doj, jeffrey clark was subject of a whole hearing by the january 6th hearing. separate from that, the doj also decided he couldn't be trusted with evidence and he may have evidence of a crime in his home because the feds raided him. he was outside in his pjs that quoted his own allies in his current job. they were searching for evidence of a crime there that mr. clark has. that's the only way you can get a judge to approve this. you can't be of interest.
you have to have probable cause that you have evidence of a crime something you did or something you have about what someone else did. overall, at least a dozen trump aides or allies have been formally indicted, most of them convicted. that is more than any one term president in all of history and then there's roger stone. he is a voluble character. he is one of trump's longest serving allies. you may recall the treatment he got, arrested. footage showed feds coming in with that you are guns drawn in full protective gear. stone was seen with his hands up as he went under arrest. he also, true to his nature, wore roger stone did nothing wrong and taken into custody for crimes he would later face conviction for. he lost, lost, lost again, you see him there as he exited his home. he was ultimately pardoned by donald trump then there's steve
bannon, a former trump adviser who actually has been indicted more than once, all pursuant to his activities either for trump or maga. most recently, you may recall, it was his outright defiance of the january 6th committee. >> everybody watching in the war room, we're here today. i don't want anybody to take their eye off the ball we do every day. stay focused. signal that noise. this is all noise. that's signal. thank you very much. >> signal not noise and it was a january 6th co-plotter, peter navarro, who discussed his efforts with bannon on behalf of trump in public but followed bannon's cue there, the same move, just defy the investigators outright despite a subpoena. he now is also facing a trial. >> i was on my way to nashville today. what did they do? they didn't call me. instead of calling me and say, hey, we need you down at court,
we've got a warrant for you, i would have gladly come. what did they do? they intercepted me getting on the plane and then they put me in handcuffs. they bring me here. they put me in leg irons. they stick me in a cell. that's punitive. what they did to me today violated the constitution. >> and then trump aide michael flynn convicted, pardoned and back in the sauce as he now claims the fifth amendment. >> i assert my fifth amendment right against being held to be a witness against myself. >> is that statement in this memo true? >> fifth. >> general flynn, do you believe in a peaceful transfer of power in the united states of america? >> the fifth. >> and here's what donald trump says about taking the fifth. >> you see the mob takes the fifth. if you are innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment?
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