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have a long laughs and i get respect to sometimes. >> sometimes. we are sending much, much respect and gratitude tonight to this incredible actor and as long successful career. james caan gone at 82. and on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. i will see he was fired from his very first job for lying. it was his first job as a newspaper reporter in london and he got caught making up quote. the more right-wing newspaper didn't see that as disqualifying so they snatched
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him up to brussels to cover the headquarters of the european union. once there, he spent the early 1990s doing what he did best, he made things up. they filed reports about how the autocratic foreigners running the eu were making harebrained rules about what the uk could and couldn't do. things like the shape of britain's strawberries and how british cheese could be made, and making good old fashioned english fishermen wear hair nets. there was even a column about the eumaking condoms too small. none of this was true but he seemed to think it was all great fun. he told an interviewer quite, i was just chucking these rocks over the garden wall and listening to the amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in england. everything i wrote from brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the conservative party. it really gave me this i suppose rather weird sense of power, end quote. his right-wing newspaper would splash its headlines over the front page of the secret evil plans of european bureaucrats
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to take over british life and rule the uk from afar. and this newspaper for readers learn to distrust and hate the eu. those readers included a lot of your conservative lawmakers and he watched with glee a civil war broke out in his own party about how anti europe they should be. for people who know them him well, will tell you back even then as a cover reporter, checking those rocks over the garden wall, he had higher ambitions. his name of course was boris johnson. you have to hand it to him, however improbably, he did eventually achieve the highest ambition of them all. he became the prime minister of the united kingdom. all it took was tearing his party and his country apart and plunging the uk into a catastrophic economic and logistical crisis by ranching his nation out of that thing that he taught so many of his countrymen to hate, the european union.
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and the story of how boris johnson came to resign as prime minister today after three tumultuous years at the helm is of course its own unique tale of hubris and scandal. unlawfully suspending parliament to ram through his own brexit deal, throwing parties during covid lockdowns, promoting a lawmaker he knew to have history of sexual harassment allegations, trying to get a job for his girlfriend. enough scandals to have brought down ten prime ministers. he blustered through all of them until he couldn't. but it's also the story of what happens, stop me if this sounds too familiar -- when too many people are taken in by an ambitious liar who for years is treated like a joke until suddenly he's the most dangerous man in the country. take a look at this clip of boris johnson on a news quiz show in 2003. this is just a couple of years after he first became a member of parliament. watch as how much of a joke
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even he treats the idea of him being prime minister was someday. >> there has been top of you boris perhaps becoming the next conservative leader. >> i think the chances of that are -- you know being blinded by champagne cork or being decapitated by a frisbee. not by a used fridge or some other statistic. a very effective effective opposition that is being led let down by the media. [applause] [laughs] >> they're laughing boris, the laughing. >> it was all a joke. there was no way someone as buffoonish as boris johnson could get it together to become prime minister. once he became mayor of london, a surprise in such a liberal city, the iconic image of him hanging helplessly of that zipline, british flags in hand,
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boosting his cities hosting of the olympics. he didn't take himself or anything too seriously. he managed to come across as harmless. when he campaigned to get people to vote to leave the eu in the 2016 brexit referendum, he toured the country with frightening-looking images of hordes of foreigners invading, promising people he'd save all this money and reinvested in health care. it was all invented. boris johnson just wanted to be prime minister. he watched gleefully as the brexit referendum and then the years of trying to actually extricate the uk from the eu, this project built out of his lies and ambition tore the country apart. but he did finally get the job he wanted and he had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of office. there is a reason why people call boris johnson trumpian, but for all the obvious parallels to our recent history, it appears the united kingdom
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is going to get one thing out of this change of leaders that we didn't get. a peaceful transfer of power. now let's be clear is not over yet. johnson says he will remain prime minister until his party chooses a successor which could take months. and it's not like he's built up a lot of trust. some people think his resignation announcement may be just a delay tactic, and he hopes that he can still hold on his job long term. but i think it's fair to say that no one expected boris johnson to send an armed mob of his supporters to storm parliament if he doesn't get his way. one reason for that is that boris johnson doesn't have many supporters left. more than 50 members of johnson's government quit in order to force him out. his own party abandoned him. something that never happened to donald trump. and here in this country did not only did we not get a peaceful transition of power, we are still investigating, still learning the full
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contours of trump's attempt to break our democratic system to remain in power. yesterday marked 18 months since the attack on the capital. the justice department says more than 855 people have been arrested for their roles in the attack, nearly 330 of whom have pled guilty including a handful of militia members who pled guilty to seditious conspiracy. another ten people have been found guilty at trial. as for the investigation in congress tomorrow, trump's white house counsel pat cipollone, who was in the middle of so many crucial moments in the days and weeks leading up to the attack on the capital, pat cipollone will sit for a transcribed video interview with the january 6th committee. and next week, more public hearings. on tuesday morning, the committee will present its findings and links between trump and the extremist militias the played a pivotal role in the attack. this will reportedly include details of conversations between trump allies and these extremist groups. and the committee will
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reportedly be holding a second hearing next week on thursday. this one will be in primetime, which may suggest that they expected to be particularly important. perhaps we can expect some kind of synthesis of all the investigations uncovered thus far. it's gonna take a while to come to terms with all the damage wrought by january six and by donald trump's time in power. like boris johnson, it wasn't too long ago that donald trump was a figure of ridicule. his presidential aspirations a joke. then their respective political parties fell in line behind them. today in the uk, the conservative party has belatedly realized the mistake they made. we're still waiting on the republicans. joining us now is luke broadwater, the pulitzer prize -winning reporter for the new york times. he's also one of the reporters who broke the news about pat cipollone brokering a deal to testify with the for the january six commission. thank you for being with us tonight.
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>> thanks for having me good evening. >> let's talk about pat cipollone's interview tomorrow. he's one of those characters, we said his name and talk so much about him in the last week or so that it may be civil to remind us why he is such an important witness right in this moment? >> well, pat cipollone is the top attorney in the white house in the final weeks of the trump administration. in that position, he is privy to every extreme plot and plan that is presented to donald trump and that donald trump considers. he's there for conversations about seizing voting machines. he's there whetehr a plan is floated to send false letters to state officials saying the doj, the justice department has found fraud and they should reconsider their election results. he's there when bill barr offered to turn in his resignation to donald trump and donald trump accepts it after bill barr concludes there is no widespread fraud in the election.
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and he is there on january 6th when donald trump is in the oval office in the dining room and cipollone and others come in to tell him to try to call off the mob as they are storming the building, and donald trump refuses. according to cassidy hutchinson's testimony, the white house aide that we all saw testify last week that he was there when donald trump said that he was accepting of the mobs endorsement of hanging mike pence, that he thought they had the right idea. there may be other things that we don't even know about. i'm just saying what i know. pat cipollone would have had access to multiple other conversations that have not yet been reported. so his testimony could potentially be very explosive for the committee. >> what's your sense of when we're gonna find out about his testimony and when we're going to actually see any of it? >> well, we are going to do our best to get it leaked as soon as he testifies tomorrow.
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i don't know if we can guarantee that or not. they've been pretty good about keeping leaks to a minimum, but you know, we do expect them to use video from pat cipollone at perhaps the second hearing next week. i do think there is a potential of pat cipollone's testimony if it is explosive enough that we could see another hearing added featuring his testimony in large part or even a hearing pushback into the following week. as of now, i expect them to use that a potentially the hearing that most of us on the hill beleive will happen thursday evening a crunch time it hasn't been officially announced yet, but that's the hearing we're dealing with. donald trump and his three hour delay in calling out the mob. >> there are two themes next week. there's this one that we don't have confirmed on thursday night dealing with what you said, and here's tuesday's hearing which we think is going
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to deal, we've been told by the members of the committee, it'll deal with the links between the extremists and militia members and donald trump's allies and perhaps even donald trump himself. until now those have been parallel tracks of investigation, the militias and the extremists were doing on the capitol grounds and let the trump allies were doing. there are no attempt on tuesday to bring that together? >> yes, and this is the hearing that i am actually most interested in, because this is has been the big question for me from the start. we know donald trump encouraged the mob to come to the capitol on january six, and we know they brought weapons and they attacked the building and they were carrying out his plans. is there anything more? are there closer ties than what donald trump said publicly? we've heard of some of these ties. we know about roger stone and the close ally of donald trump and how he was involved with some members of the oath keepers and the proud boys, and how he had some of these extremist groups as bodyguards.
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perhaps that will be discussed. we know there was a meeting in the garage between the proud boy's leader and the oath keeper's leader. perhaps that will be discussed. we know one of the leaders tried to call donald trump in the january six and use an intermediary who nobody is identified yet, so we don't know who that is. i am very, very interested to see who in the political world does the committee believe was the link between trump and the extremist groups and how much planning, coordination, if any took place. >> you said something interesting. you talked about thursday's hearing possibly dealing with the three hours of inaction. liz cheney very specifically refers to it as 187 minutes of inaction, a little longer than three hours. her argument, and in fact she has been out ahead of some of the democrats on the committee, her argument is that it was
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more than inaction. you can see it as inaction, but he actually failed to stop something he knew was happening. a suspect between tuesdays and thursday's hearing, the committees going to try and illustrate that for americans, that wasn't the america not doing something it was the president failing to do something to protect democracy and the sanctity of the electoral count. >> yes she often uses the words dereliction of duty. i think that most people when they see donald trump when they hear testimony about donald trump agreeing with the mob -- when he knows they have weapons and he says let's march into the capitol anyway. when he sees them attacking the building and agrees with what they are doing and thinks it's proper to put pressure on and then tweets out against mike pence saying he didn't have the courage to do what he needed to do, i think most americans see that or are aghast at those actions. that said, if one of the goals of the committee is to establish a criminal conspiracy or to provide evidence that would help prosecutors advance
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a case of criminal conspiracy, but help prosecutors help prosecute, -- they will need to put some more meat on the bones at these hearings. we've heard cassidy hutchinson 's testimony, are there other people who can testify to similar things to backup that testimony? and other things we don't know about. are there conversations that donald trump had a lot to be revealed? >> so you know i'm gonna be watching like the rest of america very closely these hearings. >> look thank you as always for your time. new york times congressional reporter luke broadwater with some excellent reporting. well ever since roe was overturned, the fight over abortion access, which used to be either national or was it at a time, is now playing out in a dozen states at once, all in different ways. every dayhas felt like an avalanche of news, but today
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was a particularly big day on that front. both for bad news and for good news, that is next. but first an update on the story we lead the show with last night, the new york times broke the incredible story of how the former fbi director, james comey, and his former deputy, andrew mccabe, both of whom president trump viewed as his enemies for their role in starting the investigation into trump's connection to russia. last night the u.s. new york times broke the news both comey and mccabe were selected from the irs says supposedly random most intense audit. the odds of being selected for that audit are about one in 30,000. two people who trump saw as his top enemies were selected. well tonight, the irs has asked the treasury department inspector general to investigate how that happened. maybe it was truly random. maybe it wasn't. looks like we are about to find out. looks like we are about to fin out.
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>> this bright pink building you are going to see is known as the pink house in mississippi. it was the only health care facility in the state that provided abortions. until today. the pink house more formally known as the jackson women's health was the clinic at the center of the supreme court case that allowed this conservative court to overturn roe and casey. busier than ever this week with streams of cars, license plates from texas mississippi, louisiana, and arkansas, pulling up with patients. jackson women's health performed its last abortion procedure before the end of the day yesterday. and then it closed its doors for the last time. abortion rights advocates posted signs on the properties fencing. they said things like we will always fight for health care. and this is not the end. we have hoped. we have each other. the pink house tried to put up one more fight this week to prevent the state's trigger law firm shuttering its doors.
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but it lost that battle on tuesday, when a judge denied the clinics request to temporarily block the trigger ban from taking effect today. most abortions are now outlawed in mississippi, effective today. some clinic workers began packing up the pink house. abortion laws in flux all over the country with over a dozen states now subjected to trigger black bands. these laws are changing so much so fast you can literally track the daily changes on the new york times state-by-state, like you would track viral covid trends. but it's important to remember, the reason these laws are in flux because of a sentiment written on those posters outside of the pink house today. people refuse to believe this is the end. they have enduring hope that it will not allow them to give in to these extreme anti-health care laws. and they are putting in the work every single day to fight back. today, the only remaining abortion provider in north dakota, red women's river clinic in fargo, filed a
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lawsuit seeking to ile a suit against the trigger ban, which would prevent prohibit nearly all abortions in the state, now that we are in a post world war. that ban is to take effect on july 28th. there are a bunch of other abortion providers filing in courts and losses in states across the country, including ohio, oklahoma, florida, idaho, texas, west virginia. some of those lawsuits once in kentucky, and other in louisiana, have actually successfully gotten injunctions, or a temporary restraining orders allowing abortions to continue there for now. and some states elected officials are fighting back to. this week, colorado governor jared polis signed an executive order to protect reproductive rights in his state. polit said he will quote, declined requests for the arrest, surrender, or extradition of any person charged with a criminal violation of the law of another states, where the charge and balls providing or assistance reproductive health care. in north carolina yesterday, the governor also signed a executive order protecting abortion rights in the state.
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not only are some elected officials making sure that the will of the people is heard in their state, the people are gearing up to take the fight for reproductive rights head on. at the ballot box. according to a washington post analysis, quote, voters as many as eight states will vote on abortion this year. two additional states have been trying to add abortion policies to their ballots. and they are up against a hard deadline to collect signatures to get it. michigan has until monday to gather 425,000 signatures, but, they already got nearly twice that. organizers there report about 800,000 signatures, and barring any unforeseen issues abortion will be on the ballot in michigan in november. which means voters will have a chance at a state constitutional amendment, ensuring reproductive rights. in arizona, today, was the deadline. the group spearheading the effort, arizonans for reproductive freedom, needed 356,000 signatures today, to put abortion access on the
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ballot, and to make it part of the state constitution. ultimately, they fall short of the goal for this year. but they did collect more than 175,000 signatures in an incredible feat considering the campaign started 61 days ago. and now, with their sights set on 2024, they say not to count them out just yet. campaign treasurer, shasta mcmanus had this to say on the matter. quote, i am confident that we will succeed in bringing this to voters in 2024. this campaign will not stop until abortions are once again legal and accessible across arizona. joining us now is shasta mcmanus -- and cofounder up arizonans for reproductive freedom. miss mcmanus thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me. we really appreciate it. >> what are you feeling right now? a remarkable effort 61 days in excess of 175,000 signatures, but falling short of what needed to happen to put it on the ballot. >> while today is really hard for us, we are celebrating
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today because we accomplish something historic. arizona's liberty and freedom is 100% grassroots people driven effort. and volunteered showed out by the thousands. we had over 3000 people on the ground, that collected 175,000 signatures, and as you said, it is 61 days. that is over 2800 signatures a day, by volunteers that bout this urgency. and, behind me, you can see the boxes of petitions that we had planned to turn in. but behind me is 175,000 people in the state of arizona, who came out and found us to sign this petition, because they understand the urgency.
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>> so this is important because 175,000 people had something that they could do. right. because people across this country say what do we do now? and that is something that they can do or could have done. how do people who cannot believe these laws that are crumbling state to state in arizona is a law governing abortion dates back to 1901. there are people in your state that cannot imagine in 2022, that you are going back to 1901. and that its laws about abortion. >> you are exactly right on every bit of that. we went to bed on a thursday, and we woke up on a friday. we rolled back over 100 years. when these laws were made, the civil war was still going on. all of us did not have rights to boats then. so the laws that arizona are under right now, are barbaric.
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this coalition was founded following the leak, the supreme court leak. and we were overwhelmed by the number of health care providers, patients, abortion providers, reproductive advocates, who all came together to say we see what's coming, and we have to do something now. we can't wait to try again later. and we knew this was gonna be an uphill battle. but we also wanted to make sure that on that friday when the supreme court decision did come down, that the people of arizona could look up and see somebody fighting for them. that they weren't alone, and that we are a community that cares about their reproductive rights and their futures. we had an option to wait two years. but we understand in these exact two years and that's what's sad about today, is that
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lives and livelihoods are going to be decimated. in the next two years. and we all know who this is going to affect the most. and of course it is you know those who are living with limited means, our black, brown, and indigenous people in arizona. working families. we understand who this is going to hurt the most. while that is sad, we are and we see that arizona are ready to fight back. because this effort has been historic and so we are confident for our next effort. arizonian's came out and showed we are ready for this and we are right to take us on. give us two more weeks and we would have been there. we are ready to go the last two years we've interviewed a lot of people buy home camera, and we've seen a lot of interesting things. you've got an old sewing the sheen over your right shoulder,
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you've got a guitar earlier left shoulder, but this is one of the most interesting shots have ever seen, because behind you are 175,000 signatures of people who decided they were going to do something. we thank you for that. >> thank you and thank you for highlighting the work of our amazing volunteers and the people of arizona, because this is absolutely a coalition effort. we are filled with warmth and gratitude for everybody, and we are ready to go again. >> just in this match as a, treasure for arizona reproductive freedom. well there were trump steaks, trump university, trump's reoccurring donation scandal, it's a lot about former president donald trump. but he's nothing but if not inventive in how to monetize his supporters, and his latest grift is a doozy. we've got that next. s latest grift is a doozy we've got that next. we've got that next. ughter had a heart attack really shook me.
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general tier ticket which gets you general admission. you can pay $195 for the liberty ticket, and that one is buy one get one free. then there is the delegate section for $495, or you can get the ambassador level for a steal of nearly 1300 bucks. and either of those last two tears, delegates and ambassador, include a q&a breakfast with a famed conspiracy theorists, dinesh desoussa.
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the presidential ticket goes for nearly $4, 000, which gets you among other things, a photo op with kimberly guilfoyle. but if you want a photo with the actual former president himself, you need a patriot level ticket. and i can't tell you how much it will cost you to be a patriot because the cost isn't even listed on the website. better hurry though because these prices won't last long. according to the site, the next price increase could come tomorrow. these are the ticket prices for the american freedom tour which is donald trump's latest gig, lucrative, paid speeches, it is of course important to state the obvious. getting paid speeches is not a strange or unusual thing for a former president to do. by any means. former president bush, clinton, obama, they all took on lucrative speaking engagements, the key difference is that those were paid for mostly by businesses. donald trump's new paid
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speeches, well they are not paid by big businesses. they are paid mostly by individual fans buying tickets. here is the latest entrepreneurial report from the washington post. says quote, trump's new moneymaker, political speeches to fans, the former president makes millions appearing at events that resemble his political rallies. here it is, quote, the fees aren't going to trump's political action committee, his 100 million dollar war chest. this event was not a trump rally, where attendance is free. instead, it was a for profit show, more like a rock concert. the proceeds benefit trump personally as part of a multi million dollar deal to speak at a event. that's the program, the american freedom tour, is the work of a long time motivational speaker promoter with a trail of bankruptcy filings and business disputes across the country. it is also common for politicians to offer access to big spenders, though the money usually goes to a campaign, not just a candidates pockets. trump moneymaking is especially brazen considering that he is
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the only modern ex president to contemplate running for president again. end quote. donald trump is not raking in millions from washing firms, he is lining his pockets by selling tickets to regular ordinary people. to what are basically glorified rallies. he is not giving these lucrative a paid rally support money into his political action committee for his next run for office, the millions are going directly to donald trump himself. and he is getting that money from his fans! this is nice work if you can get it. joining us now is isaac arnsdorf, he's a national political reporter at the washington post, and one of the reporters bylined on this reporting. thank you for your time tonight, we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me ali. >> is it, from your knowledge, do these rally goers who are buying these tickets know where their money is going, and does it matter? do you think they would care if
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they know it was going not to the donald trump political arsenal, to make america more great again, but into his pockets? >> we talk to a lot of people, we didn't find anyone who had a problem with that. there was definitely some, there were necessarily super clear, they got, they get the trump campaign fundraising emails. and then they get an ad for this tour. and they buy tickets. but the reality is, whether the money went to trump personally, or to the campaign, they were thrilled to do it. because they really wanted to see trump, they were willing to pay for it, and they love him, and they want to help him. they wanted to give him their money. >> tell me who these folks are? there's a lot of things in life that i would never frayed that probably wouldn't have 15 bucks to do. and yet there seems to be people willing to do this. are they enthusiastic trump supporters? >> yeah, absolutely. they are people who have been to trump rallies before. or people who haven't gotten the chance because there wasn't one nearby. they are regular working people. recent high school graduates. nurses, retirees, and they just really really, really wanted to
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see trump. and they were thrilled to pay for it, like they would pay for contradicts. >> so, one can always understand, or could try to understand why donald trump does this, and weisselberg from his presidential years. but who else speaks at these rallies? we got a sense of who the attendees are, who are our the cast of characters, are they open, or covers for them? >> yeah, and they are very handsomely paid as well. they are other right-wing stars like the next to susan, you mentioned. candace opens. donald trump jr.. kimberly guilfoyle, they also have some speakers who offer courses in investment. personal finance. that they are trying to sign you up for some followups seminars. so there is a full range of republican stars, like you would see at a trump rally, and then some other things that are more in that for profit space to. >> this is not part of a campaign, or the republican party, or anything like that.
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it is a guy who organizes this, like a concert promoter? >> yeah, it's a private business, the guy has a background in motivational speaking. people like tony robins, and this opportunity came up, they saw an opportunity, they struck on multi million dollar deal for trump to appear at these events, and they have been holding him over the past year, and are planning more. >> what is the sense, you said they are planning more, does that mean more with donald trump? is this donald trump thing until he announces that he is running for office or not? >> well he has been holding regular rallies to, you know, >> the unpaid kind. >> right. and then you know, kind of on and off between those and these. you know like you mentioned, it's unusual for a candidate, for propping office ordinarily would be very sensitive about how they are making money. and any appearance that they
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are taking money from people who are paying for access with them, and that is just not something that, not a rule that trump is playing by. >> isaac, thanks for joining, us thank you for your reporting. isaac arnsdorf is a national political reporter at the washington post, we appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> it's been 140 days since the american wnba britney griner was arrested in russia on trumped up charges. that is a longer than ukraine and russia have been at war this year, but today with hope that griner's wrongful detainment may be coming closer to an end. we will have an update after this. end. we will have an update after why choose proven quality sleep from the sleep number 360 smart bed? this because it can gently raise your partner's head to help relieve snoring.
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reed home in texas for the first time in nearly three years after being freed from a russian jail. president biden agreed to a prisoner swap for a convicted russian drug smuggler serving 20 years in the u.s.. >> he probably saved our son's life. >> the two prisoners trading faces on a tarmac in turkey overnight. >> last time prisoner swap between russia and u.s. took place was just in april. russia's case against that prisoner trevor reed was sketchy from the start. in 2019 while visiting his girlfriend in moscow, he was taken to a police station is to sober upo after a night of heavy drinking.
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the next moment after this question by the russian intelligence service, the fsb, the marine veteran was attained and a call accused of insulting the officers who taken him in. during the trial, this officer struggle to remember the incident and repeatedly contradicted themself. the whole thing was such a farce that at one point the judge in the case laughed at the evidence. so it's no surprise the people thought that read was used as something of a bargaining chip for russia. history may be repeating itself in the case of the a wnba star brittney griner. today she pleaded guilty to drug charges claiming that the two cartridges found in her luggage witch police said contain cannabis oil were left there unintentionally. but she still faces up to ten years in jail if convicted. she's expected back in court on july 14. her wife and her team thephoenix mercury calling on the biden administration to do more of to free the basketball
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star. but ironically, today's guilty plea could be a sign that we're seeing close to seeing a diplomatic resolution to the situation. a russian -- russia ex appears interested and exchanging britney griner for a former soviet officer named victor boot. boot is currently serving a 25 years prison sentence for conspiring a sell weapons to people who said they plan to use those weapons to kill americans. the biden administration has not made any official comment on whether they would agree to that swap but had said that griner's safe return is a priority. the situation is also complicated by the fact that britney griner is not the only american being held by russia at this moment. paul wheeler has been russia for nearly three years after russia convicted him on espionage charges which he denies. so could today's developments be the first up and bringing
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one or both of these americans home? >> joining us is kimberly and, are -- work is focusing on ways and black experts and russia and the soviet union. she's consulted with a wnba players union about granisetron. meant vernon good to see you, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> britney griner pled guilty today, reportedly this was her decision after consulting with her lawyers and experts. a simple google about the russian criminal justice system will tell you that there is almost 100 percent conviction rate in russian courts. >> yes the russian criminal justice system if he can call it that, has almost over 97% conviction rate. a good way of thinking about brittany's plea and in the russian court system they work a little differently. she has acknowledged the her guilt in this crime, it's still up to the russian prosecutor to prove the evidence to the crime
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that she pled guilty to. i think it's a strategy. it's one of the ways that she can say she had an accident but she didn't mean to break russian law, but that she respects russian law. i think that was a very smart move on her and her legal team 's behalf. >> some legal analysts say that if she does this and allows russian authorities to say face. if they have any interest in coming up with a deal, she's not trying to embarrass them. she says yeah you got me with stuff. that said, the allegations against her are not supported by the fact that she may have had two vape cartridges with her. >> i think that's the case. she's facing two charges. one is procession without intent to sell any other have been translated as pot -- it's bringing in a controlled substance into russia. that would be her having those cartridges in her baggage when she was coming into the moscow airport, and that is the heavy
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charge that carries the 5 to 10 year sentence. >> go ahead i'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. >> so, in thinking about her acknowledging her guilt, i think one of the reasons she would do that as that in russian law, it doesn't necessarily matter how many vape cartridges you had, the fact is intended to scene there because she brought it into russia from a foreign country. >> brittney griner is rightfully getting attention right now, but there is this case of paul whelan. his family has been upset by the difference in the way they have been handled. what is your sense of it? >> i can completely understand why paul whelan's family is upset. paul whelan is in a russian security maximum security regime prison. he's been out for two years. he also had a high profile case at the beginning, but it's been four years. media tension has kind of fallen off. he's continually protested against his conviction and constantly said that he's innocent.
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i think that if we are going to talk about britney griner's case were enough to talk about paul whelan's case. he's been there longer, he's in in a worse spot, compared to where brittney is now. we didn't talk about him into without talking about her. >> it is negative for whelan a positive now there is a discussion, and that americans were not as much involved with for trevor reed, there's now a discussion about how paul whelan and brittney griner mike it back to america. >> i definitely see it is a positive. because he has been there for so long, and despite the rumors that trump could get brittney griner out, i think trevor reed and paul whelan are examples of how little donald trump did for americans who were held in russian custody. so brittney griner's case, while it is terrifying for other families, it could be a boon for paul whelan and trevor reed were held in maximum security russian prison. prison >> kimberley saint
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julian, thanks for making time to join with us. >> thank you. >> one of the biggest stories of the decade came to its conclusion today. all of that up next. conclusion today all of that up next.
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for just $30 a line per month when you get 4 lines. former minneapolis police switch to xfinity mobile today. officer derek chauvin was sentenced to 21 years in prison behind bars in federal court today he was convicted for using excessive force under the color of law meaning he was
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given the power by the state is a police officer to go behind his rightful power and in this case used excessive force. and this wasn't just for the high profile murder of george floyd, but also for a separate but similar incident in which he entered a black 14 year old boy, in 2017. it's being more than two years now since the videos of then officer chauvin, kneeling on george floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes, made the case a centerpiece of the national black lives matter movement. just saying his name, george floyd, is on its own, a rallying cry for the movements, along with his words, i can't breathe. and the phrase no justice, no peace. and now today the death is part of the story at least in this case has come to an end. last, year chauvin was convicted very publicly in state court, of second degree murder, third degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter, for the killing of george floyd. his new federal prison sentence will be served concurrently with his longer 22 and a half year state level sentence. but this but the sentencing
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marks the last of chauvin's slate of cases. and in larger sense, both the state and federal sentences against derek chauvin, signal a new commitment to justice by the minneapolis justice department, and our federal justice department. willingness that has not always been there to hold police officers accountable criminally for the crimes that they commit. that does it for us time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening lawrence. >> good evening. ali and i was actually just going to begin with pretty much word for word the same summary of the derek chauvin update tonight. which doesn't add, as you pointed at, doesn't at present. time >> correct. >> but it does add that federal civil rights violation as a conviction that he pleaded guilty to, and spared everyone trial. on that. and so, you are right, this is that's a rare case, where case, where the police officer was prosecuted for murder, in the states, and prosecuted federally, for the civil rights. >> i remember i was in minneapolis for that verdict, and i remember people saying to

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