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i will be back with you on monday, including as part of msnbc's hearing coverage next week. we've got a lot coming down the pike. but until then, have a great weekend and the "reidout" is up next. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> we're coming in like white on rice. for pelosi, nadler, schumer, even you, aoc. we're coming to take you out. we'll pull you out by your hairs. >> the toxic stench of political violence that we experienced here in america now also being felt by our friends in japan. and that country's longest serving prime minister is assassinated. also tonight, the january 6th committee finally hears from the man who had a front row seat to trump's effort to steal the election. and the man who actually won that election, joe biden, is using the power of his presidency to help women get
access to the healthcare they need as republicans race to ban abortion. we begin tonight with the horrific political assassination of japan's longest serving prime minister, shinzo abe. the horrifying scene was caught live on tape and i do need to warn you, the images are truly disturbing. abe's death was -- has profoundly shocked a country where gun crime is extremely rare. on japanese social media, the hashtag, we want democracy, not violence, was trending throughout the day. their calls come at a time when democracy around the globe is hanging by a thread. we saw as much here in the u.s. last january 6th when a mob of insurrectionists besieged the capitol, attempting to physically overturn a free and fair election with acts of physical violence and guttural chants calling for the assassination of vice president pence. >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence, hang mike pence.
>> next week, the select committee investigating the january 6th attacks will outline how that violence was aided and abetted by far-right extremist groups, including the oath keepers and the proud boys. today, one of the people most involved, stewart rhodes, the oath keepers' leader, informed the committee that he wants to testify but only in a live setting with his lawyer present. video released by the committee showed rhodes meeting with enrique, leader of the proud boys, a group that an fbi informant says would have killed pence if they'd caught him that day. both rhodes and tario are currently in jail awaiting trial on charges of seditious conspiracy. "the washington post" reported donald trump is considering sending a letter to steve bannon, potentially clearing the way for a staunch ally to appear before the committee, which he has complained is devoid of any
hard core supporters. how interesting. all of this comes as pat cipollone, trump's former white house counsel, sat before the committee today for more than seven hours. a source familiar with that interview told nbc news that cipollone has been a cooperative witness within the parameters of his desire to protect executive privilege for the office of general counsel. but make no mistake. cipollone is no hero, and he should receive zero plaudits for finally dragging himself before the committee. i mean, it basically took a 25-year-old staffer's public testimony plus a subpoena to compel this 56-year-old to speak. unfortunately, cipollone's track record of placing country before trump has been lackluster, to say the least. in case it has fallen into the memory hole for you, as it had for me, cipollone defended trump during his first impeachment for his previous attempt to undermine democracy, and here's what cipollone had the audacity to say, pretty galling in hindsight. >> they're asking you to tear up all of the ballots across this
country on your own initiative. take that decision away from the american people. so, i ask you to defend our constitution, to defend fundamental fairness, to defend basic due process rights, but most importantly, most importantly, to respect and defend the sacred right of every american to vote and to choose their president. >> may irony rest in peace. okay, well, here is why all this matters. it matters because democracy is literally at stake. free and fair elections are at stake. because if you think january 6th was the end of the line for the full frontal assault on our democracy, then you, unfortunately, are sadly mistaken. just take a look for a moment at arizona. in march, republican-controlled legislature passed a law that requires people who use a federal form to register to vote to provide additional proof of
citizenship. guess who voted for that? nonother than rusty bowers, the man who appeared before the select committee because he refused trump's demands to overturn biden's victory in arizona. this man literally rejected claims from rudy giuliani that millions of undocumented immigrants had committed voter fraud and yet, despite rejecting that claim as unfounded, he still voted for a law that essentially uses the exact same logic to make voting harder. republicans knowingly passed the law even though it contradicts a federal law and a previous supreme court decision. i wonder if that has anything to do with our newly minted radical supreme court majority, stare decisis being dead and all. on wednesday, the department of justice sued arizona for their brazen disregard for law and precedent. sadly, arizona is just one of the wave of states that have, since january 6th, passed onerous voting laws based on the same big lie about voter fraud that drove trump's legal challenges to the 2020 presidential election.
and if you needed any further proof of just how bad things are going, earlier today, the wisconsin supreme court ruled that ballot boxes are not allowed in the state and that a voter cannot have someone else return in-person their completed absentee ballot on their behalf. i mean, when you peel back the layers, defending democracy is not a one-off. it's a daily act of total defense, and the republican party, writ large, have yet to show that they are on the right side of that fight. and joining me now is glenn kirschner and charlie sykes. i want to start with pat cipollone because this is the man who starkly defended trump on the basis, irony being dead, please don't overturn the votes of 72 million americans by throwing trump out of office by impeaching him. he's going to testify. so that's a good thing. how ironic is it, charlie, for you, that their doing that and at the same time, republicans
are trying to use that exact same logic to overturn the next election? >> i think the key point is that this attack on democracy is not a historical fact, it is ongoing. and i think what you're seeing, the way the republican party has internalized the notion of the big lie and therefore you're seeing this movement to make it harder to vote over and over and over again. so, you know, i mean, the pat cipollone testimony is really a big deal. it would have been better had he spoken out earlier. it would have been better if all of these white house aides had come out during the second impeachment. but my guess is there's not a lot of joy in mar-a-lago tonight, knowing that his legal counsel, the man who was literally in the room when he was plotting the insurrection and the coup, is, in fact, now testifying under oath, but what you're seeing in arizona and wisconsin is just a naked attempt to make it more difficult to vote, and in the case of wisconsin, obviously, they're going to be use -- use this decision to try to cast
some completely bogus doubt on the outcome of the 2020 election here. >> of course. and i mean, what do you make of the idea that trump now wants -- would like to see bannon testify? what's not been part of these hearings are the shenanigans in previous hearings on republicans like jim jordan can scream at people. trump wants somebody screaming on his behalf, i guess, from the witness desk. how would that impact the way the hearings are actually going? >> i don't think it's going to impact it significantly at all. it's clearly a win for the committee that bannon has decided that he would rather, you know, on second thought, would rather not face trial, would rather not go to prison, but on the other hand, what is bannon best known for? flooding the zone with crap, right? that's the -- i'm guessing would be his goal is to throw out as much stuff as he possibly could, but this may be a distraction, but keeping the eye on the ball, this committee has done a remarkable job. there's no longer any mystery about what happened. they have gotten dozens of
witnesses on the record, many of them from the trump administration, many of them republicanr he's going to be he accountable, and things like, you know, steve bannon throwing feces up against the wall is really not going to change the outcome of this in any appreciable way. >> yeah, any more than trump throwing his food at the wall did. stewart rhodes is an important person to hear coming. just a couple of things we have here. prosecutors have already alleged that stewart rhodes held a meeting with a stack member. exchanged a 97-second call with stack member and oath keepers leader kelly meggs as they embedded themselves at east side capitol building doors. their text messages that show that an unidentified person wrote about protecting ronny jackson, about providing physical protection to at least
one republican member of congress. what do you expect stewart rhodes to add to this, and if he does it live, what do you think that means? >> you know, joy, stick a fork in stewart rhodes. he's done. and he is looking for a way out. but i can tell you the committee is not going to negotiate terms that are favorable to stewart rhodes to take his testimony live so that he can turn it into a circus. but i do think the negotiations will be ongoing. because the strength of the evidence against stewart rhodes, it's overwhelming. so i think this is part of the negotiation dance that's being done. if he truly comes on board, if he accepts responsibility for his crimes, he pleads guilty as a cooperating witness, then i predict the department of justice will give him the opportunity to testify to the january 6th committee under that cooperation agreement, and that's the only way we can sort of guarantee that what we get
out of stewart rhodes is truthful, reliable testimony. so, you know, this is all posturing by rhodes, and we'll see if he ends up ultimately pleading out and becoming a cooperating witness. >> let me play you again what cassidy hutchinson said. this is probably, what you said, this was the most damning thing that you heard during her testimony. this is 3 for my producers. >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know, i don't f'ing care that they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the f'ing mags away. let my people in. they can march to the capitol from here. let the people in. take the f'ing mags away. >> glenn, what's the worst case scenario of what stewart rhodes could testify about his relationship to the white house, to the president and what he and the proud boys did? what he and the oath keepers and the proud boys did? >> you know, if the department of justice and of course the j. 6 committee is building a bridge between guys like stewart
rhodes, maybe through the war room at the willard hotel and directly into the oval office, and we now know, courtesy of that brave 25-year-old woman, cassidy hutchinson, that donald trump was informed that the crowd was armed with assault rifles, pistols, and other weapons, and you would expect any reasonable person to say, i hope the metal detectors are operating properly, because i have a safety concern for everyone here. he said the exact opposite. take the metal detectors down. let them in, because they're not here to hurt me. the inference i'm arguing to a jury, joy, is that he knew they were here to hurt the people who were up the street certifying the win of his political opponent. so, after you let them in, with their assault rifles, we will all walk down to the capitol and we will stop the certification. he used the word "steal," which helps provide his criminal intent, because he knew it wasn't a stolen election. so, this could be dramatic and
damaging testimony to donald trump. >> you know, charlie, and we live in a world where we just saw the -- a political assassination in japan, and where we saw a potential political assassination of one or more people, including mike pence, and the speaker of the house, in our own country. what does it say that the republican party is directly associated, getting body guard services from, traveling around with, inviting to the white house, people who are essentially fascist militias that are a part and parcel of their effort when it comes to elections? >> well, that's why next week's testimony is so crucial, because you're drawing this nexus between the attempt to steal the election and the potential political violence, which has always been hanging out there, and i think it is legitimate to link what happened in japan to what's happened in this country, because we have this rising tide of extremism and extremist rhetoric and violent rhetoric, and we have not had the kind of political assassinations that we
had back in the 1960s, but what you saw on january 6th, over and over and over again, was the evidence that people were prepared to do something like that, and i think that there's a reason why the january 6th committee has saved this for the end of its investigation, because this was not just a tourist visit to the capitol. it was not just a political effort to try to get congress to exercise some oversight. there is this nexus between the trump plot and these violent seditionists who were prepared to perhaps use weapons and to kill the vice president of the united states. and i think that this is an important point for people who think, well, there's a political, you know, look, you have these kerfuffles and in the past, people have objected to the counting of electoral votes. nothing like this has happened in american history, certainly nothing like this has ever been done by an american president, and if they can connect the dots, it will be explosive. >> absolutely. and let's not forget, when it
comes back to pat cipollone, he didn't say, cassidy, make sure that donald trump doesn't do this. if the president does, it will destroy our democracy. he said, we will be committing crimes. he was concerned about his own legal accountability, not the country. thank you so much. up next, president biden announces what he can do to protect abortion access in america. more on that and what's happening on the ground in the states where women are fighting for their basic rights when the "reidout" continues after this. for their basic rights when the "reidout" continues after this
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president biden signed an executive order today to protect reproductive rights in a post-roe america. he delivered impassioned remarks condemning the supreme court and the extremist wing of the republican party. >> we cannot allow an out-of-control supreme court working in conjunction with extremist elements of the republican party to take away freedoms. just last week, it was reported, that a 10-year-old girl was a
rape victim -- 10 years old. raped, six weeks pregnant, already traumatized and forced to travel to another state. imagine being that little girl. just -- i'm serious. just imagine being that little girl. 10 years old. for god's sake, there's an election in november. vote, vote, vote, vote. consider the challenge accepted, court. >> the order directs hhs to boost access to abortion pills and contraceptives and aims to protect the privacy of those seeking information on abortions, including online. the move comes as a growing number of states adopt laws to ban, restrict abortion care in the wake of the supreme court's decision. including louisiana, where today, under a new court order, nearly all abortions are now illegal. joining me now is dr. robinson, medical director of the alabama women's center for reproductive alternatives and who testified during the house judiciary committee hearing on abortion care access in may.
just to set the stage, at the risk of bringing back a bad memory, from your testimony, i want to play a moment that resonated a lot online. this is the questioning of you by congressman mike johnson. >> if a child is halfway delivered out of the birth canal, is it permissible to have an abortion? would you support the right for an abortion then? >> i can't even fathom that ever -- >> i'm not asking if you can fathom it. if it occurred, would you support that abortion or not? >> i can't answer a question that i can't imagine -- just like you probably can't imagine what you would do if your daughter was raped. >> i feel like i played that for you, dr. robinson, because i feel like the people who are making these laws don't understand anatomy, biology, or sort of normal human life, because asking a question like that is so absurd that i can see why you're just -- you couldn't even figure out how to answer it. what do you make of the fact, that including in your state, mainly men are banning abortion when they genuinely don't seem to understand basic biology?
oh, you're muted. >> i completely agree with you. people that are making these decisions, you know, they don't understand basic anatomy, healthcare, and what people -- what pregnant people really need, but it also makes it very clear that they're not interested in learning because people like me are willing to, you know, make ourselves available and talk to them about the true life experiences of our patients so that they can understand, but it doesn't seem like that's important. i think what's more important is what, you know, gets their party out to vote and get them in, and so you know, the facts don't really matter. >> i mean, just to clear, for people who might send this video around to their grumpy ultra-right christian uncle. there is no such thing as aaborting a child that has already been born. that is just not a thing that is real. >> no. but that's the thing that -- i
mean, that sounds appalling to me, but that's not real life. that's not abortion. that's not what abortion care is. and so i think for people who don't understand, for people who have never, you know, who are not medical, and people who have never had to make that decision, i think when you have politicians that paint pictures like that, it gets people on their side, and it gets them votes, and i think that's the only thing that really matters. >> what was your response to the president's, you know, executive order today, to try to protect people who try to just look online or try to search information about how to get abortions and protecting access to abortion pills? >> well, initially, when i saw it, i just made it in from the hospital about 15 minutes ago, but when i saw it, i opened my phone up and i saw it and i got really excited. but i'm not a lawyer, so i don't really -- i didn't understand what it meant, and so then as i talked to people to understand, you know, my response is, i'm
happy to see that there's some support there. however, it's not enough. it's too little, you know, to really help patients and to increase access to the care that we really need. i'm glad to know that there are efforts to protect access to medication abortion. that doesn't help people in states like alabama where we can't -- we're not able to treat the patients at all. >> and we know in states like mississippi and louisiana and alabama, basically all the abortion clinics have closed. can you talk a little bit about what that means to the other kinds of care that these kind of facilities offer? for a lot of women, planned parenthood or other clinics are actually their only healthcare, period. >> well, that means that all of those other essential services are going away in addition to the ability to take care of patients who, you know, opt for care in these centers just because it may be more cost
efficient for them, it allows them access to care in a setting to where they're not able to access it in a hospital. it gives them access to physicians who will give them the care that they need, even when their private physicians are unable or unwilling to care for them in very complicated situations. >> what's happening with your former patients in alabama? what are they going to do now? are they having -- are people telling you they're going to need to leave the state? what's going to happen to these women? >> i mean, yes, we're hearing people that say that they really need -- they will have to leave the state for care. but the thing that's most heartbreaking is the people who are not able to do that. and those are the people that i care for. those are -- that's the majority of my patient population, people who do not have the means to travel, and those are the people that are going to be harmed the most. i also hear from physicians who don't understand what this means. i talked to a physician today, and she says, so, what does that mean, you can only go up to 15 weeks? i'm like, no, we can't care for
any patients. they also, you know, it also came up in our surgery center, someone said, well, are we even able to do this dnc? in the end, the patient edit get their dnc, but physicians, very educated people, people who are capable of taking care of patients, are second guessing proceeding with care they know patients need. >> yeah, and that's going to have deadly results for a lot of women. and in your state, just to be clear, there is no rape or incest exception. >> no, there's not. >> there's no exception at all. no mercy. >> no exception. no. >> dr. robinson, thank you for all that you do. we really appreciate you. still ahead, remember the rick wilson coined saying, "everything trump touches dies"? well, now trump is building a new republican party. how do you think that's going to hold up? new republican party how do you think that's going to
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played during the spring. it was the league that brought together donald trump and the current republican senate nominee from georgia, herschel walker. after reportedly being rejected from buying an nfl franchise, trump settled for buying a usfl team instead, the new jersey generals. trump was able to lure the young heisman trophy winner, herschel walker, away from the university of georgia to start his professional career with the generals. but like most of the things trump touches, the usfl imploded. after he led a failed effort to move the usfl season to the fall in direct competition with the nfl. now, as a trump-endorsed candidate for senate, walker is proving to be just as much of a disaster. most recently, walker lied to his own campaign about the multiple secret children he fathered, according to the "daily beast," and walker is not alone among the trump-endorsed candidates. we have pennsylvania's republican senate nominee dr. mehmet oz who just filmed a
campaign ad from his mansion in new jersey. and in actual pennsylvania, you have doug mastriano, the same guy questioned by the fbi after photos emerged of him on the capitol grounds on january 6th. he has been rebuked by multiple republican leaders in his state who have endorsed his democratic opponent, josh shapiro. then there's eric greitens, a republican senate candidate in missouri, best known for locking a woman in his basement and sexually assaulting her. greitens denies that. he followed up his much-criticized ad calling for the hunting of so-called rinos with a new ad still chock-full of guns and explosions, saying he's coming, quote, with an army of patriots, hopefully not to any woman's basement. the list just goes on and on. the tea party candidates were bad. many still continue to make a mockery of the house and senate, but these maga contenders are the tea party on steroids. with these candidates, it's as if trump has essentially launched his own republican version of the usfl and we all
know how that ended. dana millbank and ross, attorney and member of the blackfeet nation. dana, start with you. political columnist dana millbank. there is just a plethora of weirdos running in this new sort of maga cycle. how do you think mitch mcconnell feels about that? he's stuck with them. if they win, they'll be with him in the senate. >> you're right, and a few of them, like ron johnson, are already there, and i think if you broaden the net a little bit, joy, you could have a full squad. you have the offensive 11, defensive, and even special teams from all these lunatics they've got in there now. you know, it's sort of inevitable, i think, that this was going to happen. you know, each wave of crazy sort of builds on the wave of crazy that preceded it, so we had the revolution of '94, then we had the tea party wave, then we had trump coming in, and now these are ultra-maga that go, in some cases, even beyond what we
know that trump could do. so, certainly, this is not what mitch mcconnell wanted, and he's pushed behind the scenes, but this isn't his party anymore. and in these republican primaries, the extreme candidate wins in virtually all cases, whether that's a donald trump-endorsed candidate or whether that's somebody who's even outdoing donald trump. so, it is absolutely a full squad of crazy right now. >> you know, the thing is, the point of politics is to win elections and the thing about donald trump is that the base adores him and worships him in some ways, but he's not got like a winning track record, and right now, the polling, at least as of now, is not looking good. raphael warnock is polling well ahead of herschel walker. john fetterman polling well ahead of mehmet oz. i mean, it's not as if these are -- this is a winning strategy, but the leadership of the party can't do anything about it because this is what the base wants.
>> yeah, they're stuck with what they created. at one point, they decided that it was a good idea for whatever wisdom to let donald trump come in and have his way and to create the optics of the republican party, and now they're stuck with it. now they have a, you know, self-fulfilling prophecy that it's going to be inevitable that these folks are going to get crazier and crazier, and if herschel walker, who i did enjoy in the nfl. >> me too. >> i'm a seahawks fan and he played for the cursed dallas cowboys, but nonetheless, i enjoyed him. still as a candidate, if he is the best you can do, republican party, donald trump, that's not to take really any partisan position. just based on what we don't know, based upon what's been coming out in very recent weeks, there's more bombshells waiting for herschel walker and i think that's true of most of donald trump's anointed picks. >> you know, dana, this piece in the "daily beast" was something
else. i mean, they talked about the fact that his own campaign essentially mocks him behind the scenes, doesn't trust him. they expect him to constantly lie. you have people like jade nord linger coming out and excoriating him, saying the senate matters, i don't expect every senator to be daniel webster or henry clay, but there ought to be a minimum amount of respect for the body. these conservatives just like mitch mcconnell, they've been fine with tommy tuberville who doesn't, i think, know what the civil rights act is. they've been fine with marsha blackburn. they've been fine with rand paul, who made up his own certification to be a doctor and yet still operates on humans. like, they're fine with ron johnson, who had to pull an ad recently because he was going to try to mock the idea that there is gun violence. then he had to pull it because there was an actual massacre. the tea party candidates aren't appreciably better, but they have been fine with adding those so they can't really shut the door now, can they?
>> no. and herschel walker thinks there are 52 states, so it is possible that those two imaginary states will have democratic senators, thereby consigning the republicans perpetually to a minority. but you know, talk about staff saying they can't really trust their candidate to tell the truth, he lies all the time. where did we hear this before? and of course, that guy had four years in the white house. so, the real danger, as we've discussed here, is not that they've nominated crazy people who will lose, but that they nominated crazy people who could actually win if everything falls in the right way. so, in some ways, democrats have been encouraging this for understandable reasons. they're easier to bet. but if that wave comes in a certain way, you can have, you know, this can make a tommy tuberville look like thomas jefferson. >> well, i mean, or if they understand that they fixed some of these states' voting rules to make it so impossible for people who don't want somebody like a tommy tuberville or a herschel
walker to be in office, that they can't vote anyway. right now, you've got good news for the president. this jobs report is actually pretty good, 372,000 jobs created, 3.6% up employment rate. normally, in normal politics, this would be a banner-waving day for president biden, but he has all these issues with the base of the party who don't look at the macroeconomic or even the microeconomic numbers. they just feel crappy about the whole world right now and are taking it out on him. do you think the fact that he came out today and did an executive order on roe, that he's trying to be more proactive can help him to counteract the fact that the good news, genuinely good news, doesn't seem to be reverberating in his favor, poll-wise. >> yeah, so, take a step back. i think it's really good that he takes an executive order on roe. i think those sort of actions, whether it be on qualified immunity, stuff that seems like it's responsive to the populists that put him in place,
specifically women, specifically black women, specifically black people, it's important for him to do those things and look responsive. the macroeconomics, absolutely. those things are things that are kind of insider baseball, and we expect people who, you know, whether it's on twitter, whether it's folks who are on the, you know, pundit stage, those folks understand that the vast majority of people do -- we ultimately want headlines. we want to see somebody that's responsive to us. and i believe that biden -- president biden hasn't done a good job of heralding his successes. i think that he does have successes. i think that he has substantive successes that would, in fact, resonate very well if the messaging was right, and i just seen that there was another turnover with his messaging folks. and that's something that i think the presidency has to get ahold of is understanding that there's a way to trumpet these victories that, in fact, the president does have. >> and i think he needs to not
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for most of us, especially those who haven't actually interacted with the police much, tv, movies, and news really shape our views on policing. in the early 1900s, for example, hollywood painted cops as silly, incompetent, in comedy skits like the keystone cops. it was then that the international association of chiefs of police called hollywood out for that behavior. and soon, cops became advisors to hollywood producers, helping them shape stories about police, usually putting themselves in a positive light. >> that was a clip from a new project focused on how police officers are shielded from accountability. as that video details, americans have been exposed for decades to what they call copaganda, starting with the 1950s show "dragnet," where the lapd had a say in the script, to the endless number of police and
"law & order" shows we have today. joining me now, jesse williams, and judith brown, executive director of the advancement project national office. thank you both for being here. great to see both of you. judith, i'm going to start with you. the advancement project is putting out this video. tell me why. >> this series, i should say. >> thanks, joy, for having us. you know, we wanted to do this, jesse and i really created this because it's a love letter to black people, to explain how cops get off. we saw the videos, right? we saw philando castile, we know what happened to breonna taylor and we want them to understand it's the system, the culture, where there's no accountability, they get to evade accountability, and this is really about teaching people. we call it the "schoolhouse rock" of policing. >> let me play another clip and this is going to be on the institutional protections that police officers enjoy. take a look.
>> have you ever wondered how cops are so well protected when they break the law? i mean, cops have a special set of institutions that protect them from any liability for their actions. this includes the prosecutors, police unions, and the police force itself. it all starts with this thing called the blue wall of silence. it's a code of silence that cops live by, a no-snitching culture that protects them when they do something wrong or even illegal. their rule is, see something, keep your mouth shut. >> and jesse, you have an audience that ranges from tv to broadway, i know you've been very politically active. but you know, you have a very broad audience. but who is the audience, in your mind, for this series? >> well, thanks again for having us. it's kind of multipronged. as judith said, part of this is to let folks know when this happens time and time again, this is not about you. this is not about your value. do not be discouraged that this
is a reflection your value, the value of your life. this is about a system that is in place. we want to raise everybody's understanding of what these words mean. when you hear d.a., when you hear grand jury, what do those things mean? can the rising tide lift all boats of understanding what's happening in our system, and also to give a sense of history, some historical context in terms of hollywood's role, all of this stuff is undergirds what we've become accustomed to and the more you become accustomed to abuse, the more you tolerate it, the more it doesn't make your blood boil anymore and that's exactly what the system wants. so it's overall educational for everybody, but what we started to see was that folks were getting really discouraged and felt like this must mean we don't have worth, and that's not acceptable to us. >> you know what's interesting, judith? to that very point, we've seen, you know, police react in some very familiar and not in a good way ways to the protests that we've seen over the end of roe vs. wade and you sort of
contrast that kind of policing, which i think you guys are talking about here, which is sort of unaccountable, and sort of brutal to physically, you know, restrain the actions of citizens, right? and then you sort of look at the uvalde situation where a lot of people thought -- i thought that's what police did, was rush into the line of fire, but the supreme court says they don't have to do that. into the line of fire, but the supreme court says they don' disconnect between what i would say mostly non-black people think police are supposed to do, where africans americans and brown folks want pleased to do and what legislatively they are required to do? >> the other thing we are doing joy is a series of how cops get off as we are sending people to a website police free communities dot org, because we want people to start reimagining public safety looks like. eovaldi was not public safety right? and all of these mass shading shootings are not public safety. we have to think something
different and always saying that the police are going to take care of us. we want people to start thinking of where the root causes of violence. and let's start addressing those things instead of always saying let's give more money to the police, the police are going to handle it. because too many of our communities know that that is not true, we do not trust the police, we are scared of the police, and we want people to live in a society where they can feel safe and they can be free at the same time. and so this is the opportunity to learn and think about one of the solutions that will really help our communities so that everyone feel safe. >> jesse, i think for particularly black lives matter was formed because people do fear the police and feel their pleas disproportionately brutalized people who are black and brown. and yet, what democrats are doing is giving them more money. the line is fund the police, more training, more funding, and people are frustrated by that. what do you say to people who
are frustrated by the fact that in their minds the people they are electing are doing the opposite of what they're asking them to do? >> no need to be frustrated, take them into account. that political theater, that cliché support our troops, it's all an extension of this slogan earring, because it's always been a great shield to hide behind. law enforcement, military, it sounds like love america. sounds a cowboys in horses, it's a fairytale. it has nothing to do with what is actually keeping people safe, and protecting peoples and their families. so to keep our feet on the gas, to shine a light on why this is really happening. >> i appreciate both of you doing this important work. to this really quickly, where can people watch the series? >> i can see them at police free communities dot oregon are also on you to, there they're on page. how cops get off. >> all right, jesse williams
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a rather extreme view of gun rights on the house floor. let's watch her. >> i would do anything to protect my five grandchildren, including as a last resort shooting them if i had to to protect the lives of my grandchildren. >> extraordinary granny get your gun moment. she did clarify that she does not intend to shoot her grandchildren. for that reason debbie lasko grandchildren have won the week. >> because there is still here and, they survive through it all. wow! she's not gonna get a lot of visits from her grandkids over the holidays. that's terrifying. i'm always terrified to ask jesse who won the week? >> no guns involved. marchand bowl champ. a young beautiful native and black young man from the first
nations son is first and. it's amazing historic. we don't have a lot of folks in the am be a. i'm sitting here buffalo art academy on the reservation in montana, and all of those native kids love it. >> has there been an indigenous native american nba star? has there ever been? >> tie we irving. >> no way! we could have a whole conversation. i did not know that! my mind is! will we gotta have that conversation another time. i'm traveling us over the week over the pond. my who won the week is a cat a cat. this is larry the cat, the downing street cat, he loves it downing street, he greets presidents of the united states, except donald trump putin he did not carry the greek. this is what he tweeted today
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