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menendez. a new hour and explosive new evidence. quite literally, federal prosecutors say they have proof that some of the oath keepers actually brought hander grenades to the capitol on january 6th. we have late breaking news on who the committee is calling to testify live, in this week's hearings. also, this hour, mounting pressure on the president to take even more action to protect access to abortion. the president clearly hearing those calls, revealing what he is considering to counter the reversal of roe. plus, former purdue little prisoner is here with his take on russia detaining wnba star, brittney griner. this is gonna explain her freedom, how it might depend on political will. it has happened, yet again in america, a black man gunned down by police this hour. how the case of jalen walker's opening old wounds, and reinforcing calls to protect black lives. this is american voices. >> be there, we will be wild.
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that was donald trump's message to his supporters, encouraging thousands of people to show up in washington d.c. to protest a fair and free election. and wild it was. the pro trump mob stormed the u.s. capitol on january 6th, after trump told a crowd of supporters to quote fight like hell. this week's january six hearing will highlight trump's own words, and how his repeated lies of a stolen election radicalized americans. this morning, on meet the press, committee members stephanie murphy previewed tuesday's hearing, which is going to lay out the actions of violent extremists. >> we will lay out the body of evidence that we have that talks about how the president's tweet on the wee hours of december 19th of be there, be wild, it was a siren call. we will talk in detail about what that caused them to do,
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how it caused them to organize as well as who else was amplifying that message. >> and new late today, nbc news confirms for their oath keeper spokesman jason van tighten who've will appear as a witness on today's hearing, he hasn't been involved with the group since 2017. he was not at the capitol on january 6th. he can show how they can radicalize new members. the radicalization of violent extremist stands well beyond the action at the capitol. new reporting from huffpost dives into the rise of political violence across this country. quote, when the gop was up in arms about lgbtq issues, armed proud boys rushed dragon vents, and their fascist cousins in a group called patriot front threatened community pride celebrations. and when roe was overturned in liberal demonstrators filled the streets, the proud boys and heavily armed members of various militia groups showed
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up to intimidate the crowds. these instant studies are accelerating as election season draws near. it appears to be the new normal in america. politically-charged violence having gone unchecked for years is no longer feared, but an expectation for many politically active americans. joining me now to discuss msnbc legal analyst, barb mcquade. former u.s. attorney and co-host of the hashtag sisters and all podcast. msnbc national analyst, frank figliuzzi, former assistant director for counter intelligence of the fbi. it's good to see you both. i'm minister with you, the former oath keeper, is going to serve as a witness. your sense of the significance of jason van tatenhove testimony? >> frank? >> thanks, alicia. wasn't sure about who that was for. so look, this is good news. and we should be looking for
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more news of the degree to which oath keepers may be cooperating. or may have already cooperated with the general row six committee. it also may be an indication to the degree of which they may be cooperating with the doj. all, good public needs some background on who oath keepers are and i think this witness will help provide that. this is a group we are talking about that actually started right after our first black president was elected. that was an impetus for them to plant the flag and pretend that they were about upcoming and of. but, really there about much more than that. i'm going to be looking for three things really quickly for tuesday's hearing on the domestic extremist groups and january 6th. first, the degree to which the oath keepers and the proud boys may have coordinated their actions with each other. we know, of course, that there is video of the leaders of each group leaving in a parking garage. also, the degree to which of course there is a connecting of dots between the oath keepers and or proud boys, and people
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close to trump. you will remember trump infamously almost unable to say on television, stand down, proud boys. when he was asked to tell them to stand down. he said stand back and stand by. not stand down. i think we're going to hear a lot more about how dangerously close we came to a deadly disaster on january six because of how the bomb making materials, grenades and weapons were stashed all around the d.c. -- >> to that point, barb, we are learning january six could've been worse. the washington post reports, quote, u.s. prosecutors level new access agents friday against the leader of the oath keepers, and alleged members who were charged with seditious conspiracy in the january 6th capitol attack. saying one coconspirator came to washington with a explosives and detailing allegations that cohn defended kept a quote, death lists with the name of a georgia election official. or does this evidence tell us
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about the scope of the doj's investigation into the riot? >> this comes under a rule of evidence called 404(b). if it isn't specifically relevant to the case, but it does prove motive or intent or preparation, it is admissible and there's a rule that requires the prosecution to provide notice to the fence that it plans to introduce this evidence. that's where we see this evidence at this explosives that were kept just outside the boundaries of washington d.c.. this death list, i think it does suggest that the conspiracy perhaps extended even beyond january 6th. the names on that death list were a georgia election official and a family member of the georgia election official. it's a dress that the plot goes even beyond the capitol on january 6th. i think that frank is right about the concern of rising political violence in this country. i think this investigation should show us that it's about much more than the past, but could also be a warning for the future.
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>> i want to circle back to that point, barr. but i also want to ask you, because we've learned that former trump advisor, steve bannon, is quote, willing to testify before the committee. it's a curious use of that for. and last hour, we talked to congressman eric swalwell, and what it is he expect. take a listen. >> i interviewed steve bannon before, i was one of the lead investigators for the russia prosecution for bannon's interview. i would expect zero. absolutely nothing. this guy was like interviewing the joker. he is michael, he is insane. and it was a frustrating hours long interview where we did not learn very much. >> barb, your thoughts on what we can expect? >> i think this letter from president trump offering to waive executive privilege is a gimmick. it's hooked up between him and steve bannon to get him out of his criminal case. he was subpoenaed to testify many months ago and his failure to appear on that day committed a crime. i think a defense will likely
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be to say, well, i could not have testified until donald trump waived the privilege. he didn't do that until july. we know it's not his privilege to waive. it's unclear whether the conversations were privileged at all because bannon wasn't a member of the executive branch at the time he made these statements. and so i see this as an effort to subvert the criminal case and he doesn't want to testify. he knows that he's calling a bluff. he knows the committee at this point does not want him to testify either because as congresswoman -- he will make a mockery of the whole thing. i think this is a gimmick to help steve bannon in his criminal case. >> frank, the new documentary, unprecedented, out today gives us new glimpse outside the capitol on january 6th. take a listen. >> freedom! >> we're sick of the demons, we're sick of the liars. >> we are done. this is our country. this is our house. >> we have the capital.
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>> the piece there i want to tease out there, frank, is this is our country. to me that says two things. one, a question of how deeply these lies -- about the stolen election are ingrained in the minds of trump voters. i was talking about this at the beginning of the show, now all lead this violence has become more mainstream. it very often is in response to other political stories, whether it is the rollback of lgbtq rights, whether it is the rollback of row that these folks are now showing up at demonstrations, at protests to counter protests and we offer a violent element into what should be a very fair and free way to express yourself. i mean, how much of the do you think is actually about the lie,
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and how much of it is about this bigger idea of this is our america. and all of the things that are embedded in that sentiment. >> there are so many driving forces behind what's happening in america and the polarization. including socioeconomic factors, fear of the other, increasingly population that is -- doesn't look like a mare use look like to many people, who seem very faithful of that. but at the heart of this, alicia, as a driver is the -- . we are split into two countries, there is a culture war happening. only one part of the country is right and the other is wrong. in fact, the other is evil. and so, violence -- that person chiefly was the president of the united states, has given license not only to hate but to violence as a solution. we're gonna landmark at this on tuesday. in the committee hearing, it is
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the notion that you have to take up arms and we are heavily armed society, as you know. and the notion that there is a complete distrust in our government institutions, fueled by our previous president who attacked every -- from the center of disease control, to the department of justice. the only thing left to do is trust yourselves, a line with other like-minded people. take up arms and take action. i am concerned that we are developing an entrenched insurgency in our country, fueled by a small group of leaders who are not intent on serving america, but rather serving themselves. >> barb, the 16 committee's released a new statement saying -- provided quote information demonstrating donald trump's supreme dereliction of duty. do you see this testimony as a turning point in this investigation, barb? >> it could very well be. he did not hunker down, he came in and testified. he only testified about certain
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areas. he refused to testify in advance as part of the negotiation about some of the statements trump made to him under his claims of privilege. but i think that you start to see these people coming in, and i think it was cassidy hutchison who broke them and really shamed him into testifying. i think we're gonna hear from sarah matthews, another young aide on tuesday. when you hear these people showing great courage, it's harder for these people to hide and say it's inappropriate. >> especially everything it's online. barbara anne frank, thank you so much. tuesday, join msnbc for coverage of the next january 6th hearings. special coverage kicks off in the morning, joe at 6 am eastern. followed by the full hearing at 10 am eastern. afterwards, andrea mitchell, katie tyrion, hallie jackson make sense of what we've seen. next, president biden drops and new hint about what his next move might be to ensure abortion rights. also ahead, the push to bring a britney griner back home. journalist jason rezaian, who knows what it's like to be wrongfully detained in a foreign country tells us what
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more can and should be done. first, richard louis, who is standing by with a look at the other big stories. >> alicia, good sunday today. in south africa, 14 people dead after a mass shooting at a tavern near johannesburg. three more retain in -- gunman drove up to the bar and opened fire on the crowd. the suspects are at large. sri lanka's president announced he will step down later this week. crowds of demonstrators stormed the presidential palace and said the prime minister's house on fire. sri lanka's were protesting for months over economic mismanagement of the country. president biden is defending his upcoming trip to saudi arabia. the president wrote an op-ed in the washington post saturday. he said that the visits purpose is to quote, reorient and not rupture relations with the kingdom. biden is expected to meet with the saudi king and crown prince later this month. more american voices right after this short break.
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says he is considering declaring a public health emergency on abortion. president, making the comments, while speaking with reporters in delaware. he says he is asked his administration to look into if he has the authority to make that declaration. the move could free up federal resources to expand abortion access. the message comes after white house officials spent part of the weekend defending their response to the supreme court ruling, that struck down roe v. wade. on friday, biden sent an executive order, preserving access to some abortion services, but he and vice president kamala harris have been adamant that congress must act to protect reproductive rights. >> we need to understand that states are passing laws because with the supreme court has now allowed to happen. so, what does this mean? it means that we're looking at
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elections coming up, and in 120 something days, there are gonna be about, who serves in congress? and we need a congress, again, you don't have to advocate or believe that this is right for you or your family. but don't let the government make the decision for her family, whoever she may be. >> with me now, melissa murray. she's an msnbc contributor, and we frederick, professor of law. also with me, access political reporter, stef kight. stef, we heard a little bit more from the president today. what options is the white house exploring to protect abortion rights? >> as you said, we heard today that president biden is looking into a public health emergency, to enable the government to smartphones, have more resources to put towards expanded access access to abortion in the wake of this supreme court decision. i think we really think the biden administration will responding to the past two weeks, pressure from democrats within their own party, really pushing them to do something,
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take bigger steps to ensure access to abortion in the u.s., as we're trying to see these states implement bands. of course, affective, on friday, another big step, but no, it's important to remember that even though executive order tells the department of public human services to look into ways to preserve access to abortion medication, the reality is, the executive order does not have many detailed concrete steps. and there are limited options for the administration to really counter some of the actions being done at the state level. >> so, melissa, tackle this for us from a legal standpoint. what can the administration do? or what are sort of the questions that are before them, right? because that's what we heard from the mayor of delaware. i've asked my administration to look into whether or not i had the authority to do some of what i'm being asked to do. >> yeah, that's exactly right. and stef has it right. there are limited options for the administration to use truly executive power, which is basically all they have available, so that in the absence of, as you say, a pro-choice congress, one of the
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things the president has to weigh here is what kind of things the agencies do, executive order that he issued on friday, essentially directs how the services do some data gathering on what can be done. but i think there will frustration here is not necessarily but, that inaction, but the action has been so flat-footed. and a little tentative at this point. i think given that we knew about this draft opinion, and what would likely happen as early as may, i think people were expecting a more urgent response in the immediate aftermath of this decision, being announced. and i think it would've been helpful, even if the president couldn't do much in the way of actual implementation right after, to simply channel the frustration that so many people felt, and to affirm that in fact, this was a really colossal withdrawing of fundamental rights, free to emphasize that this is not just a public health crisis, it's a crisis of democracy. this isn't an elected court, i minoritarian institution,
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essentially supporting something that a majority of americans support and indeed have enjoyed as a constitutional right for almost 50 years. >> melissa, to your point about channeling that rage in pennsylvania, you have republicans pushing an amendment to the state constitution, to limit abortion. and here is how democrats, one democrat is responding. >> 64 members of the republican party sent a letter to throw out the votes of pennsylvania voters. but now, you trust the voters! >> mister speaker, gentlemen -- >> we're talking about women dying. we're talking about more than half of the population not being able to make decisions. we're not even half of this body has a uterus. here we are! being silenced yet again. >> it is not lost on me. melissa, those clips have both gone viral, because they do sort of captures some of the
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frustration and rage that people are feeling across this country. to ask you a more technical question, at this point, what's gonna take to protect abortion access, in states that have republican majorities? >> i think the immediate answer is to look to the administrative agency, the food and drug administration, that have the authority to grant state laws and questions like medication abortion. on many americans, once they think of abortion, surgical abortion, but in fact medication abortion, and has a protocol that's the most commonly used form of abortion care in the country. and the fda, in regulating drugs and pharmaceuticals in this country, has the authority to essentially, through the pharmacy closet the constitutionalist, preempt state laws that disagree with the fda's conclusion about the efficacy and safety of those drugs. so, there is currently a lawsuit being waged now in mississippi, with a pharmaceutical company suing the state, because the states trigger ban effectively, for closest the prospect of
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prescribing medication abortion. and they are sitting on the grounds of that violation of the supremacy clause, and the fda preemption. it would be great if you could have the f da, echoed by attorney general merrick garland, about the fda granting, about medication abortion. but even just the general, you, no information provided to the public at that, about the efficacy of a medication abortion, about how to get it with a useful period, so many options are being foreclosed. and this is a very safe option that still available. >> i'm so glad you talked about the fda, because it's something that we've been following here in one of the regulatory pieces that could fall in. steph, find a question to you how do you see this all playing in the midterms? and by that, i don't mean and the issue in the way that potentially animates or motivates voters, but also this push and pull between the white house and advocates over how much is enough and these calls for more, if the white house is able to deliver on some of these calls for action, does that then change the contours, the enthusiasm going into november? >> i mean, i think that is the
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question we are all asking. the thing we're all watching. there is certainly undeniable energy behind democrats right now, following this decision. you can look at the photos and the videos of people protesting, the videos you shared just recently, people are animated by these issues, particularly democratic voters, which should help democrats, at least in some states, and in some areas. the thing that i'm watching, is whether this motivates people to vote down ballot as well. there's so much more focused on state level government now, because of this issue and other issues but. interesting to watch, we will see whether voters pay closer attention to those lower level races, and whether we see changes at the state level as well, as we head to november. >> yeah, we've been talking over and over about how secretary of state races, these are now races that are now major, major focus. >> melissa, stef, thank you both so much. next, the political fight to bring britney griner back home. journalist jason hugo lowell jason rezaian was held in an iranian prison for nearly 18
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wnba all-star game for britney griner. the basketball star has been held in russia since february. players at today's games wore a jersey with griner too's name a number to show her support. griner faces up to a decade in prison, after pleading guilty to drug related charges. during her court appearance thursday, she said she did not intend to break the law. russian officials say they found vape cartridges, which contain cannabis oil in her luggage. last week, president biden and vice president harris spoke with griner's wife directly, telling her they were working to bring brittany home. >> we take very seriously, and
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we've been very clear, brittney griner and there are sadly other americans who are unlawfully detained around the world. and it is on our highest priority list to bring those folks home. i can't talk to you about the details, what's happening behind the scenes. but i can tell you that it is one of our highest priorities to bring these americans home. >> with me now, jason rezaian, global opinions columnist for the washington post, in 2014 he was detained in iran for 18 months. jason, it's good to see you as always. and i want to ask you about a tweet you posted about an article. that article was tied it, will biden finally do more to secure britney griner's release now that she's pleaded guilty? you say that that, at least the title there, misses the point. and that quote, there are ways for all of these cases, if, the big if, if there is enough political will. tell me more. >> look, thanks for having me on, alicia.
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this is such an important subject that is just starting to get the kind of coverage that it deserves. there are dozens of americans being held in a handful of countries around the world. britney griner is by far the most high-profile case right now. but, you know, the choice has to be made at the highest level of government, in the white house. the president has to decide if he is gonna step in, and make the kind of concessions necessary to bring people home. unfortunately, that's the reality of the situation. we can't just snap our fingers and bring people back. and the reality is that right now, there aren't the kinds of deterrence mechanisms in place, preventing other governments from doing this. so, you know, i think in the case of britney griner and paul whelan who has been held in russia for more than three years, there are opportunities for potential prisoner swaps. these are unsavory deals that nobody would want to do, in the best-case scenario, but ultimately, we have to make a
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decision, as a country, as a government, do we care about protecting our citizens who are in trouble or abroad, or who are not? i think throughout our history, it's been more of the things that has made the united states of america different from other governments. >> let's talk about that political will, and how it gets to a point where they're there's that political will. i mean, you have seen organizations run by black women, pretty extraordinary job of making sure that the story, as you said, which is an important story, and it needs to be getting even more attention, to make sure that it did not slip out of the headlines. and to also make sure that there was forward movement from washington on efforts to get griner home. what does that political will, right? what does it require to get their? >> look, you know, as someone who was the subject of one of these campaigns, to be freed, and now having dissected with my family, my employees at the washington post, other media friends, to support me. really, you have to elevate
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this to the national consciousness. and i think the wnba is doing a very good job of that. they were advised early on that britney griner's family was advised early on not to make a public outcry about this, that the situation could be resolved quietly. i will tell you right now, alicia, the situations never get resolved quietly. i was pushing very early for them to be more vocal, as i do with every one of these cases. and when it becomes a political liability for the u.s. government, that americans being held abroad, that's when the president jumps into action. you've seen it in the obama presidency, with me and others who are held in iran. trump presidency, multiple times. here in the biden administration, just recently, with trevor reed in russia. so, i think when it becomes a matter of a liability to an administration, that's when they tend to act. and as we see, there is a
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coalescing of families of people who are being held around the world right now, coming together and say, hey, look, we have dozens of americans who were wrongfully detained, and wrongfully detained, essentially just means being held hostage by a foreign government. there has to be, they have to become a priority. i appreciate the words of vice president harris, of president biden, of others in the administration, we've talked about this priority. but the proof is in the pudding, people are not coming home. so we have to do more to make that happen. >> jason, i want you to help me help the audience understand something, which is that griner pleaded guilty, but the night she had intentionally broken the law. how does that change then the process for bringing her home? >> i think that the calculation there is that until there is some kind of verdict in these cases, it's more difficult to make a possible trade. traits happen once a verdict isn't. but i don't want people to read into her pleading guilty. there's no reason that we
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should accept russian judicial processes as legitimate. they have something like a 98% conviction rate. and, you know, it was an opaque trial, not open to the public. i was subjected to something similar, but myself in iran. and i can tell you that these are kangaroo courts. there is nothing like the process of discovery calling witnesses, testimony, think about it like this, britney griner has been held for about 140 days on a very basic charge that is essentially a negligible amount of a narcotic substance. what is there to investigate? why is it taking this long? it's taken this long because the russians have decided to turn it into a political theater. >> but jason rezaian, you joined us months ago, and set the stakes than. thanks for following this story so closely. and for bringing it to us. next, naacp says justice in
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this is part of what it is to be black today. we have to live with a plethora of videos of horrific black death sitting in your memory, easily accessed, all the time. i think it is the same thing that lynching guitar and just ancestors. a traumatize us over and over. want to bring in japan have studied this issue closely. washington post national political reporter, toluse olorunnipa. and washington post national enterprise reporter, robert samuels. they are co-authors of the new book, his name is george floyd. thank you both for being here. toluse, i wonder what you make of this argument about retraumatization, right? and the way that communities sort of process news that are asked to process this news over and over again, they are asked for patients, and they are asked, they very rarely see the accountability that they ask for in return. >> yeah, there's this choreography that we see when these killings happen, that seems almost regret this point.
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you can almost expect to know what's going to happen. is it gonna be a press conference? is it gonna be a call for calm and patience? is it gonna be a video released threats but on social media, and people have to watch someone dying in front of them, being killed by an agent of the state? we saw this with george floyd, as he died, and it happened on camera, and it went viral, there were protests, and there were counter protests, and then the crackdown on them. and it has become almost like a choreography that we see happen over and over and over again. and it is really traumatizing. it does remind black americans that this country, how dangerous it can be. and how someone was 25 years old, unarmed, running away from police, could be gunned down by dozens and dozens of bullets. this is just another instance of that kind of state force being used against black americans. >> and robert, one of the reasons i want to talk to, that i talked to toluse, you've looked at this in the context of george floyd's death. and the fact that it really did sparked this global movement. you have all these heightened calls for racial justice.
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and yet, here is where we find ourselves to years later, not only seeing similar acts of police brutality, but also seeing, as toluse referenced, this choreography that this points seems wrote. >> we have to be clear about one thing before we even get started with that, which is the presence of racism in america. for black and white, and everyone, it makes us sick. it does something the elites our spirit. when we did our book, what we found that, with police departments, they are, you have to ask questions about practices. you have to ask questions about how people are trained. we don't know enough about how the police department carries itself. but what we do know is that we limit a society that is disproportionately attacking black people, where police treat them unfairly. and that little is being done about it. the legacy of george floyd's to
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think about how we treat each other, and looking for the nuances, and asking police not just police, but every institution in america, whether it is doing enough to prevent these horrifying images from happening. and clearly, with these examples, we are seeing that not enough have has been done. >> toluse, to that point, a police department recently called up for using images of black men in their target practice. what does that tell you about the work that is still left to do? >> there is a lot of work that still needs to be done. these stereotypes continue to persist. when we wrote about george floyd, even we were aware of these stereotypes, who are often feared during the course of his life nikolai police. he said police were essentially just waiting for him to make a mistake, so that they can take advantage of that, and he was someone who always went into a room, knowing that his size, knowing that his skin color made him a threat in the eyes of many people. and that was something that millions of black black americans deal with, and when
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we see police officers using these stereotypes, for target practice and for training, it shows that that is part of the bias, part of the systemic racism that's part of our system, that so many people took to the streets to try to march against. but it is an ongoing and a long struggle, and it's something that as we talked about in the book, continues, and in the aftermath of george floyd's death, and the aftermath of these other deaths that we are seeing. this is an ongoing struggle that is part of our country's history. and it's gonna have to be part of our future as well. >> right, and i think that takes us back, to original answer, right? which is you have to actually understand the racism, in the decades-long racism that has existed here, when you try to imagine solutions, and it is speed at which those solutions ought to be offered. i do wonder, if you feel this movement on, has the momentum it had two years ago? >> well, the easy answer is no, right? the book that we were supposed to read to learn about these things, are now about -- but what we have to do, and
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what we think about, what the book challenges us to do, is to start from the very beginning, right? if you live in a society where medical doctors are still preaching, that somehow black people are more resistant to playing than white people. that police officers are trained with those images that were saying, that things that excited delirium continue to come up, even though they're based on john sites. these are the things, these are the roots of the issue. and when we think about how police say it's practice, it's not just because there are some bad officers who want to kill black people. but what we have to do is recognize that racism works as a pervasive, insidious form, and if you don't think about it from his very routes, that things like this sadly will continue to happen again. that's a part of the reason why we wrote this book. >> the book, again, titled his name is george floyd. toluse, robert, thank you so much. next, two moms are doing what they can to help refugees clean
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its fourth month, refugees in eastern europe are rebuilding their lives. and we are getting some help from their neighbors. among them, two american moms living in prague. they are helping ukrainians who fled violence, find a home away from home. my colleague richard lui recently traveled to the czech republic, and had a chance to speak with them. richard? >> yes, thank you, alicia. you know, these two american mothers, one from midwest, went from the southeast, they're taking things into their own hands, doing which many americans watching the ukraine war have wanted to do, finding a way to help. and with no end in sight to the russian invasion, these women are doing what they can to help fleeing refugees, by creating new homes for them, away from the fighting. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> reporter: i came up inspired youtube video, not from happy-go-lucky teams, but from ukrainian more refugees trying to guard their youth, taped
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after they flipped and found a new home in a neighboring country. >> the story begins on the 24th of february. this was very scary, because we woke up from the bombs, from the sirens. >> reporter: kate and her friend our best friends, teenagers from odessa, ukraine. they are part of more than 300,000 refugees who found safety in the czech republic from russian troops who ravaged their homes. check support for refugees like kate has been tremendous, in part because of the country's history from invasion by soviet forces. doug and caroline hart embodied that helping spirit. the michigan ex pats, opening their modest apartment to these girls. >> we saw the images on tv. the need was obvious. we had an extra room. that's something that we can do. >> reporter: volunteers connected the heart family with three girls, now living without their parents in a foreign city for the very first time.
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>> these girls have been a blessing to us. it's like we've added three people to our family. >> [speaking foreign language] >> reporter: they found what they lost in the last few months, friendships, coffees, new normalcy. >> they were just like, our parents, our second parents, yeah. because we don't have, physically now, our parents. >> it just sort of brings up the mother and me, okay? so i felt protective, and i also felt just some joy, because there is a purpose that i can do this. this is something that i can do. >> reporter: another american mom and former nurse living in prague, kimberly, she has also found her purpose amidst a ukrainian refugee crisis. >> i thought i would be able to
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help as a nurse. and the more people that i came in contact with, and the more people i met, i found they really just needed housing. they needed a roof over their head. >> reporter: that was a tall order. prague's housing crisis makes it difficult even for locals to find apartments. not for kim, she stepped up and challenged her connections in real estate, to start a nonprofit called amity. there is a lot, kim says, housing 130 refugees so far. >> we secured the lease. we provide the deposit. we provide at least three months free rent for these families, and that's what we collect from their nations, or we've had a few people that have offered to actually sponsor a family, and cover it. >> reporter: and kim isn't only thinking about shelter. she is also working on getting refugees health insurance, food, education and check schools, kindergartens, jobs, and she is forming deep connections with them along the way. >> i!
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>> reporter: like she did with assistance from ukraine -- >> we want to help these families become self sufficient. they have a place in prague. >> reporter: this could go on for two years, says president zelenskyy, most recently. are you ready to do this for two years? >> absolutely. absolutely. i am ready. i'm having five kids. i think it's made me very strong and resilient, and i'm really looking forward to the next few years. i want them to be able to go home. >> reporter: many ukrainian refugees in the czech republic dream of when it will be safe to return home. for now, all they have are the things from home that they grabbed in minutes as they fled. >> it's a gift from our parents. it's really sweet, and i love this really much. i'm just happy that i have girls here, and it's also a dog,
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and getting -- there are so nice to us, and i'm just happy that i'm here, and i'm safe. >> we just missed our best life so much. you know, that's, the memories are just exploding in your mind. sometimes. >> including new memories, like dancing in the streets of prague. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and during the interview, one of her there with her parents name out loud from the birth certificate, before she escaped her parents house. so other people could see or family is, and reading as chic right, whether, wondering if she would ever see them again. and alicia, about kim who finds homes in prague, she says $25 gets one family a home for three months! >> we missed our old life so much. that really says it all. richard lui, as always, thank you so much. we are right back, after this. d lui, as it's how some people describe... shingles.
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