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everyone gets the best of you. there's a monster problem and our hero needs solutions. so she starts a miro to brainstorm. “shoot it?” suggests the scientists. so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!" and so our humble team saves the day by working together. on miro. as we roll into the fourth hour of "morning joe," welcome back. it is 9:00 a.m. on in the east coast. 6:00 a.m. out west. we have a lot to get to this hour. including the latest on the controversy surround those erased secret service text
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messages, the house select committee investigating the capitol insurrection wants by tomorrow. plus, after a wild week on wall street, earning are rolling in and this morning from some of the world's biggest companies such as goldman sachs and bank of america. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin is breaking down the latest number as we get them in. and we'll explain why democrats are very upset with joe manchin. >> it is groundhog day. >> it is getting old. and we'll play for you president biden's response to reporters when asked about his fist bump when saudi arabia's crown prince. we'll also talk about the actual visit to saudi arabia. but first, the damning new report about the police response to one of the deadliest school shootings. systemic failure is the way it was described in a new preliminary report written by
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the texas house of representatives, the report also details how nearly 400 law enforcement officials responded to the mass shooting and basically waited outside as the shooting went on. nbc news correspondent sam brock joins us now from uvalde. sam, take us through the report. >> reporter: look, mika, this is damning, simply because of the depth of failure that occurred in so many different areas. it was so multi-faceted, starting with the school. we found out they didn't follow their own locked door policy, a history of noncompliance, and there were years of social media threats trails of the shooter and so much so that many people that he interacted him knew him as the school shooter of hugo. and as you just mentioned, nearly 400 law enforcement officers were out here that morning. more than half of them state and federal who were trained to respond to mass shootings and yet they did not do so appropriately. now we're looking at new body
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camera footage which we have to warn you is disturbing. for the first time, the public is getting a chilling picture of early moments inside of robb elementary from police body camera footage. >> am i bleeding. >> chaos and glimpses of calls to action. >> we have to get in there. get if-f there and keep shooting. >> that came minutes after the massacre began. but the first interaction, the only time the officers are seen physically confronting the gunman for well over an hour. at one point school district police chief pete arredondo trying to negotiate with the shooter. >> let me know if there is children in there. this could be peaceful. >> reporter: arredondo maintains he was not the incident commander that day. this the most comprehensive report to day conducted by the texas house which finds law enforcement that reached 376 officers, did not honor their
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most basic responsibility. the authors writing, they failed to prioritize saving the lives of victims over their own safety. >> several officers in the hallway or in that building knew or should have known there was dying in that classroom. and they should have done more, acted with urgency. >> reporter: family members were hoping for more than a verbal dressing down. >> but what they're saying we already knew it. they were powered. >> reporter: some action was taken right away. the city's mayor announcing right before this meeting that the acting chief of uvalde police department, mary owno pargas on leave. any offer who did learn about 911 phone calls coming in from rooms 111 and 112 including pargas was shifting to an active shooter response. there is windows into heroism. students being pulled out of the building and this heartbreaking
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hallway exchange with officer ruben ruiz right after the initial gunfire. learning his wife, eva morales was shot and dying before his he was moved to try to ebb gauge the shooter. only teach who are did survive in those two rooms are this man shot twice, believed morales could have been saved. >> if the law enforcement on scene would have allowed him to continue pursuing the gunman. >> she would have probably lived. and i think she's one of the ones that they had said that also bled to death. >> all 11 of the students in his class didn't survive. >> reporter: rayes told me that at no point as he was there suffering from two gunshot wounds did he hear officers try to get the door open or get into the classroom. he was the only person ultimately who survived from that classroom.
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also, interesting information, pete arredondo co-authored the school district response to active shooters and that response plan had the chief taking control of the situation, which is yet another reason why this is vacuum of leader shich that starts at local level but state and federal resources out there as well and did not seem to be up to the task. mika and joe. >> nbc's sam brock, thank you. excruciating. joining us now, texas state senator roland guiterrez who represents uvalde. and sir, i'd be interested in your reaction to the report and also seeing the video and seeing the lack of a response, what do you think was driving so many different members of law enforcement to hold back? >> well, mika, i've been saying this all along, we had systemic
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failure, communications errors, we have to go back in time though as to where this really truly comes from and it is a neglect of rural texas by this governor. we've asked for better wi-fi, that was one of the principle things mentioned, and we've asked for communications in this community, they asked the governor for $10 million to fix their radio systems and nothing came about. this is a story of neglect just as much as a story of those systemic failures. we have to go back to the very beginning and what happened here was just atrocious. and like that gentleman said out there, these families, there is nothing new in this report. there is nothing that we didn't already know. the only difference was they stopped pointing fingers. we've had the department of public safety and superior fire power and man power and should have gone in and done this and they knew better and they stood around just like everybody else. >> and have you gotten any
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answers, why did they stand around and why did officials in your town, why did state and federal officials, almost 400 officers with guns standing around, outside where an active shooting is going -- and my god, you know this better than anybody right now because of the hell you've been through and your community has been through, but it was all very clear after columbine. if there is an active shooter, the first thing you did is take that active shooter down. nothing else matters until that is done. what happened here? >> well, joe, that is, again, the big question. we heard from steve mccraw in his own testimony, the incident commander is superceded by active shooter protocols. you just simply go in. no questions asked. and therefore the question is why didn't your own men, 91 dps troopers there, there is a guy walking around on the back of his vest that said texas ranger,
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the big bad cops, the best cops in texas supposedly, was walking around talking to someone for 20 minutes while the game warden followed him around with a schematic. i want to know who he was talking to, who they were talking to and at what point did steve mccraw say you need to go in now. those are the people that are accountable most, not so much the city cops or the locals but i need to know why the state troopers that were massed in great numbers didn't go in. on august 4th we'll be going to court, mccraw will be subpoenaed and hopefully we'll be able to get some of the information. hi to sue them and i asked the questions and i got no answers in return. >> state senator, good morning. this is jonathan lemire. i wanted to get your update, what you think about how the state has handled this. in particular, governor abbott, who in the hours after the shooting praised the response of law enforcement, he then later
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said he was misled. he's come under criticism for not playing much of an active role. you could give us, enlighten us, has he been meeting with the families and offering help and comfort? >> listen, i don't want this to sound like a political assault on him, but at the end of the day, and i noticed he hadn't about there since day three, he hadn't been there since day five when the president came and he came for that day as well. he hasn't been back to uvalde. we've had a failed response on access to resource to families. they've been given two weeks of lost wages. we have a victims assistance program that could give them as much as $50,000 and the district attorney has not been able to do that. the mayor, the very conservative republican mayor and hi to write a letter to abbott to take those funds and the trauma resources and give them to an outside
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agency. luckily last week the county shifted that responsibility to a group from san antonio that will be able to administer those funds in a better way. these are the things that abbott has put in place, and to your point and your question, no, hasn't been back since may 29th. he did not go to one single funeral and the families, quite honestly, haven't been to one of -- what we need right now, we're 27 days away from school starting. we need a special session to do one thing, and do a very conservative things, raise the age limit to 18 to 21 on these guns. i think it should be more. but at the very least do that because even republican voters are in agreement with that one thing. >> well and who could argue that the families don't need support. so hopefully somebody will hear you and thank you very much for coming on the show this morning to talk about all of this. it is very painful, but we also don't want to drop this story. we want to stay on it. from every angle.
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texas state senator roland guiterrez, thank you very much. we want to bring in former assistant director for counter-terrorism at the fbi, frank figliuzzi. he has a new op-ed for msnbc entitled it is time to talk about criminal charges for uvalde police leaders. and tell us why you feel it is time to go there, because i think often police officers have a very difficult time doing their jobs, they're questioned on every angle from every angle. and should be. but they balance a lot. but here things seem pretty clear when you're seeing parts of the body cam video and the video from inside of the school. but criminal charges, what do you think? >> yeah, this is tough for me to write because i carried a badge and a gun for 25 years. i'm the guy on tv that usually gives the benefit of the doubt, wants more information and explains to people it is early. we need more facts, but i have
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enough facts that we should call for a criminal grand jury. why do i say that? these officers had all they needed, they had it up front when were still hearing over 100 rounds being fired and still hearing the screams of children bleeding, dying, those initial responding officers heard that, i saw that on the video and then minutes later they had the ballistic shields and the heavy weaponry and enough bodies to do what every cop in america has been trained to do. and then i found two applicable texas statutes. the first one is called abandonment or endangerment of a child and it is simply met. all you have to do is place a child recklessly or by omission in a place of imminent danger, death, physical, bodily harm. the second statute is when the injury to the child actually occurs and again it allows for
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recklessness by omission. you don't have to do something overt, you have to not do something. and so by going against their own training, now we know close to 400 officers in and outside of the building, that is by the way more troops than they used to defend the alamo down the road in san antonio. we know the chief police ignored his own ops orders that would place him in charge of just such an event. and i'm concerned that the doj and the state house inquiry, very nice and the doj is going to take a long time with theirs. they will not take statement under oath. these people are criminally exposed. the attorney for chief arredondo said he's hesitant to giving any testimony. so let's ask the district attorney to start the criminal grand jury, put people under oath, compel testimony and production of evidence by
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subpoena and then i go a step further in the column and say if she's the right person to do this. it is a small county. the entire county has just 20,000 people. she has to work with the officers every single day. maybe it is time to use the texas law provisions that allow her to request a recusal. >> you know, frank, and in parkland, charges were brought and this seems even more egregious. i'm just wondering, in all of your years in law enforcement and following law enforcement and in all of your years studying law enforcement, have you ever seen a duty to protect, a duty so serve more egregiously breached than almost 400 armed police officers sitting outside while little children and their teachers are bleeding to death? >> joe, i've not. and i've even responded to school shootings and other crisis incidents and i saw officers act heroically and do
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when they were trained to with great threat to hem selves. even the parkland scene is questionable but this is an hour of videotape that could be used as evidence. and to add insult to injury, the chief said he didn't know he was in charge. you're kidding me. they hosted the actual training back in march for just such an event. the issue of asking for keys, not testing the doors. having everything that you needed. waiting really for border patrol to show up for the first signs on the video that anybody was asking questions and started to take over. and border patrol didn't have much authority on that scene. so, no, this is the most egregious i've seen. i talk to law enforcement officers who use words like ashamed and embarrassed for the profession. so we have to have accountability and send a message this can't happen again. and the best forum to gather the facts, compel the facts, i believe, would be a criminal
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grand jury. >> so we're talking to the former assistant director for counter director for fbi frank figliuzzi. coming up, steve bannon is in court right now and we want to talk to you about that case and these missing text messages through the secret service on january 5th and january 6 coincidentally. we'll talk about that when "morning joe" returns. skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. "morning joe" returns. reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi, 90% clearer skin and less joint pain is possible. serious allergic reactions
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all right, 21 past the hour and you're looking at video from moments ago. >> wait, where is that medieval kingdom. >> i do not see a sword. steve bannon arriving at a washington, d.c. courthouse. >> is that eat mullet and watch people fight each other with swords. medieval times. this doesn't look like medieval times. >> he's enjoying him sfrl, actually. he's entering the d.c. courthouse. >> how much shirts does he have
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on. >> jury selection begins today for his contempt of congress trial. the former trump adviser has refused for months to cooperate with the subpoena for the january 6 committee. >> he can't do that. >>? a hearing last week the judge ruled against several defenses from bannon's legal team. it led to his lawyer asking the judge, what is the point of going to trial if there are no defenses. the judge agreed. and suggested that bannon's team consider that. in a recent podcast, bannon was defiant about his potential legal troubles saying, quote, pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. we're going to savage our enemies. he went on to say who needs prayers, certainly not steven k. bannon. >> and i have to say, as john heilemann said, who has known steven k. bannon for quite sometime, takes it to a new level when you speak to yourself in the third person. and use your middle initial. it is quite impressive.
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>> he's something else. two contempts face 30 days to a year in prison. >> so frank, talk about -- let's talk about steve bannon. "the washington post" said this weekend steve bannon said he's going medieval on the court. the court he had said, meh, not so much. it looks pretty open and shut, doesn't it? >> this is a solid case of contempt. there is really no viable defense here. the subpoena has been issued. he said no. every defense he's attempted has been rejected. so what does that mean? we're going to see a circus before we see a decision from the judge. bannon is not only the architect, the quarterback of all kinds of strategies on behalf of donald trump, even investigatively and this is why the commit we wants him so much. he has so much to provide with regard to connecting the dots between pre-planning of january
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6 and the violence and make the connections to even violent domestic extremist groups and architecting the alternate group of electors. a lot resides in bannon's head but before we get to that, i think we're going to see a circus, an attempt to disrupt this trial. it is going to end pretty clearly with a finding of contempt. that still doesn't get us the documents or the testimony, he'll continue to move this forward in a way that moves attention from himself and away from trump. unlikely he'll flip on president trump until he's seeing the inside of a prison cell. >> so what the timeline? how long do they -- does this sort of come to a close and get to some -- could this be dragged out by his attorneys in any way? >> oh, it is to his benefit to drag it out because it is so simple, it won't take more than a few days to present the facts. it could be done in two days.
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but that not going to meet bannon's needs. he needs to come out on the courthouse steps and pontificate and we're watching whether he's trying to insight violence. what does it mean to go medieval. this is good. and whether we'll see a gag order perhaps because he typically going from court to his on air platform and starts ranting and raving. so, yes, short and quick. but he'll drag it out with all kinds of motions and screaming and we'll see it could go weeks potentially. >> oh, wow. okay. and the january 6 select committee has also subpoenaed the secret service for these allegedly deleted text messages. the committee expects to get them tomorrow after it made that request following a briefing by the department of homeland security's inspector general. that watch dog said last week that the secret service claimed texts in january 5th and 6th had
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been deleted, accidentally when the phones were re-set as part of a device replacement program. the secret service denies the messages were deleted on purpose. is it possible, frank, i mean, joe, how could this be possible, that they could only lose text messages from those days. i just don't believe it. >> especially, frank, what sort of consequences do you face as a bureaucrat if you're told by the inspector general that they need the texts from the 5th and 6th. and also congress requests them and congress requested them even before the deletions. so, i mean, it seems to me when you get a production request, whether it is from the united states congress or whether it is from an inspector general, you know that if your erasing those messages for any reason, you're in trouble, right?
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>> let's assume for the sake of argument that the secret service is telling the truth and that this is all about a pre-planned transition to a new phone system. they started losing other messages earlier in january before any of this request for documents occurred. let's assume that is true. this is a leadership issue. you know we have an attempted coup at the capitol and you know your comes between the agents and agents and yet you let the phone transition occur. they were losing messages before the request for documents and they continue to lose documents later. they should have called time out on the transition and issued a retention order. i've received countless ones over the year in my fbi career. we're getting sued on this, frank, please save all of your documents, right. they don't do that. and at their best word, there is
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a failure of leadership here. obviously the perception is that somehow there was some desire to make these go away and now forensic experts are left trying to scramble and retrieve what they can, when they can. but why is this all so important, those secret service messages could get us inside of the president's intentions, his mindset, before, during and after the violence on january 6. did he even share with the secret service that he wants to go march to the capitol? how many times did they tell him there are armed in the crowd and how many times did they text their buddy, he's lost his mind, we're going to get killed. did they tell him sir, we've like to move you to the bunker and things are getting scary and he said they're not here to hurt me. and that is valuable at the select committee and at doj so we need to get those messages back. >> especially, jonathan, lemire,
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on these days of all days they certainly knew that investigators, that the doj, that congress, that other agencies were going to want to know what the president knew, when he knew it, what the president directed the secret service to do, when he directed them to move, the movement up to the capitol, how fascinating on january 6, you actually -- you have the president's top lawyer saying if he goes up to the capitol, then they're going to charge us with everything under the books. we found out through testimony that is exactly what he wanted to do. and of course, jonathan, we have the stories about him lunging for the steering wheel, lunging for secret service members' neck. you have people that were there saying that he did it. you have people that -- the d.c. cops showing do it. you have others inside of the white house that have the recounting of the story.
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and then you get these bland denials from the secret service. well these text messages would have certainly shown there would have been traffic, and there would have been chatter and we would have known what the president said what he said it and what the president did. there is no way these could have been deleted in good faith, is there? >> maybe it is that frank is being charitable by taking the secret service at their word. that maybe there was something far more sinister under foot. but let's do that. even if they are telling the truth here, how possibly could you think it would be okay to lose the messages from january 5th and 6th. the insurrection had come, it was one of the darkest days in our nation's history, of course they're going to be investigations. there were investigations launched within hours of the insurrection happening. the secret service would know that their text traffic amongst her agents to supervisors would be part of any probe because their number one job of course was to be with the president of the united states that day. he was the center of it, at
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ellipse as you say, also in the suv, arguing his way to try to get the capitol and to ubd store what we talked about earlier, the role of the vice president who was at the capitol who was going to oversee the certification who secret service wanted to pull away from the capitol because his life was in danger. he fought to stay. and what they were talking about then, also crucial to the investigation. it just defied belief those messages weren't saved. >> frank figliuzzi, thank you very much for being on this morning. well the markets have just opened after a roller coaster ending last week. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will tell us what to explain this week. we'll be right back. o explain ts purchases on your discover card. week we'll be right back.
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there's a monster problem and our hero needs solutions.
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so she starts a miro to brainstorm. “shoot it?” suggests the scientists. so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!" and so our humble team saves the day by working together. on miro. the saudi foreign minister said he didn't hear you accused the crown prince of khashoggi's murder. is he telling the truth? >> no. >> why don't you guys talk about something that matters. >> do you regret the fist bump? >> some will go on and on about the fist bump. but president biden didn't even
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think about the contrast. anyhow. >> and breaking news. and then the networks, joe biden fell off a bike. breaking news from saying that. >> the fist pump heard around the world. >> breaking news from women at work, we don't want to you know what anybody said in the january 6 hearings. so yeah. >> don't cover those. >> but he did fall off a bike. so let's bring in a "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels. how is the white house feeling about the trip. i know some analysts and experts say it might take a while to see how it went. >> reporter: that is exactly right. and i think that is how the administration is feeling. they're talking about and touting some of the announcements that were made while the president was in saudi arabia. obviously opening up the air space and in saudi arabia is a big win. the yemen cease-fire, keeping that in tact and keeping that going. and also the announcement for new u.s.-led technology to add
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in 5g and 6g technology within the kingdom. that is something that the administration has wanted to do to counter china. and i will say though the foreign minister of saudi also said that ties to china and the united states are not mutually exclusive. two the big things that the administration wanted to talk about while they were here were on iran and oil and on iran the administration is still essentially looking for a plan b. to find a way to keep iran from obtaining nuclear device and nuclear capability because after the trump administration pulled out of the iran nuclear deal, getting back into that deal seems unlikely when you talk to a lot of the experts. and on oil, there was no announcement on any kind of uptick in oil in saudi arabia or by the kingdom, partly because of the saudi arabia doesn't want to be seen as a spigot of oil for the world and the united states was trying to downplay how much oil and gas prices were going to be a topic of
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conversation, how important they were to that conversation before the trip. the experts say that there is a likelihood that there will be an increase in oil production, but will we see a huge impact here and in the united states on gas prices because of that quickly, that is quite unlikely. so, there wasn't a lot for the administration to hang their hat on and talk about the huge wins that they came out of saudi arabia with. but they knew going into it, they were downplaying that before they went on the trip. i will say, though, this was largely about keeping russia and china at bay, making sure that they don't get a foot hold, continue to get a foot hold in the middle east. >> yeah. reports that gas prices are down about 50 cents from the peak. and are expected to continue to fall also perhaps that makes less of an urgent headline out of the white house. but speaking of headlines, gene,
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we decided we were going to repeat one that we used a year ago, nine months ago. six months ago, three months ago. >> it is getting repetitive. >> and again today. are you ready for it? democrats angry at joe manchin. where have you heard that one before? >> never. >> it just keeps going. so my question is what is joe biden going to do about this? is he going to call him in and say joe, just write your bill for god's sake and we'll sign it. >> at this point, the official line out of the white house is that they have a good relationship with joe manchin. a lot of joe's today. joe biden, and joe manchin and joe scarborough. they have a good relationship with joe manchin and they'll allow the senate to tussle and figure out what they want to do when it comes to reconciliation. but you're right, there is ape lot of frustration continuing to build and it is going to continue to build until there is some kind of bill. and that includes in the white house.
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there are people around the administration who are saying why do you keep blocking what we are attempting to do and also it is the fits and starts. it is not just that there was just one i'm not going to sign this. they feel very much like this is lucy with the football, right, that over and over this administration and the democrats overall are having something going with joe manchin that is just not coming. and so whether or not joe biden is going to lean on and call his friend joe manchin to say let us know, we'll sign anything you want at this point, but that is something that we'll definitely be asking karine jean-pierre during the press briefing later today. >> politico eugene daniels, life from the white house. we appreciate it as always. >> all right. it is a big week on wall street for earning reports, goldman sachs, bank of america, and charles schwab all reporting earnings this morning.
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ibm and johnson & johnson and tesla and united airlines and verizon are set to issue quarterly reports. >> busy day. >> so joining us now, co-anchor of cnbc squawk box andrew ross sorkin. so first of all, why are the numbers important in terms of the overall, the economy and how it impacts everybody? >> don't want to say there is a make or break week, but a lot of data will suggest where we have gone or been rather an last several months and what it port ends for the next several months. the big issue is not the numbers themselves, to the extent where we have the economy is and whether it is overheating or not and what the federal reserve may or may not do. there was a news report this weekend from the wall street journal suggesting that the fed is not going to be hiking interest rate 100 basis points which would have been on the the higher side. the expectation is now 75 basis points. so there is a little bit of a breathing room in terms of what
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the stock market is looking at. people are taking a little bit of a sigh of relief. the question is, is that going to be temporary? >> so andrew, we're seeing gas prices starting to fall a little bit. too early so say whether inflation has peaked. there is some hope that maybe it has. there are some good economic numbers out there but yet we're hearing the r-word, recession more and more. explain that dichotomy. >> two things. one on gas prices. they're coming down. but one of the reasons gas prices are coming down is because of the expectation of a recession. so you have two things happening. you have the expectation things are going to get worse, meaning therefore people are going to need less gas. oddly enough. and at the same time you also have a sense, and this is a more across the board, we have got this resurgence of covid both in the u.s. and the china, and what their lockdown policy might mean in terms of the need for energy. so it is a very strange almost perverse situation where prices
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are coming down because people think people will travel less and everything will happen less. that is why it's happening. at least thus far. as to your secondary point, you know, why are you going to see a recession. because the fed may put us into a recession and that is why i think we have so see how strong the numbers are. we've never had a situation where we've had 3.6% unemployment which suggests a strong economy and what it could take for the fed effectively to put us in recession. it might be harder to put us in recession. it would be the good news if you could believe that. >> glad you're here. >> weird. >> i know, it is weird. >> it is very weird. everything is the opposite of what you think it would be. >> that is true. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. and up next, the ripple effect of roe. abortion restrictions now in effect in several states are having an impact on medical decisions that have nothing to do with the procedure.
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>> it is really surreal when you look at the rights of women being attacked as aggressively as they are. not only on the supreme court, but also in congress. but especially mainly if you look at the people who were talking, by old men in state legislatures. >> it is infuriating. in the wake of the supreme court ruling on abortion, women across the country are sharing perm stories on the procedure that saved their lives. one of those women who is making it a key part of her political campaign joins us when "morning joe" returns. joinss uwhen "mo joe" returns
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and many doctors now have to consult lawyers and hospital ethics committees on decisions involving routine care. "the washington post" reports that the standard of care for incomplete miscarriages and ept onic pregnancies is being scrutinized and delayed and even denied, jeopardizing maternal health. a woman with a life-threatening pregnancy sought emergency care at the university of michigan hospital after a doctor and-n her home state worried that the presence of a fetal heartbeat metropolitan treating her might run afoul of new restrictions an abortion. at one kansas city hospital, te required pharmacist approval before dispensing medications used to stop postpartum hemorrhages because they could also be used for abortions. and in wisconsin, a woman bled for more than 10 days from an
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incomplete miscarriage after emergency room staff would not remove the fetal tissue amid a confusing legal landscape that has royaled onstet rick care. joining us now, democratic congressional candidate for new york's 19th u.s. district, jamie cheney. jamie, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. i want to start by showing our viewers a look at your very first tv advertisement for this campaign which dives right into this issue telling your personal story. >> i started a company that is focused on supporting working parents in the workforce and giving them the tools that they need to succeed. subsidized child care, flexible schedules, health care for all employees. when i was a young parent, i was pregnant and due to a very rare immune disease, i got very, very sick. doctors were able to identify a
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medication that i needed to fight the infection. if you make the decision to take this, there is a real risk of significant health impacts to the fetus. my husband and i made a health care decision to terminate the pregnancy. these are our choices and we need to be able to make them. i cannot wait to get on to the debate stage and have him look me in the air and say it is not health care. those rights were not hypothetical to me, they are not hypothetical to women today. no law, no tradition, no supreme court decision is too big to challenge and change. i am jamie cheney and i approve this message because we need to protect our reproductive freedom. >> jamie, thanks for sharing that with us. first time here. and i know that you said i can't wait to get on the debate stage and talk about this. so what is your answer to a challenger who says that all life -- life begins at
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conception and these fetuses are babies and they deserve the right to life? >> absolutely, thank you for having me this morning, mika. i look forward to a challenger asking me that question on the debate stage. i had to make a medical decision. i was incredibly sick. i was so sick that i could not get out of bed and take care of my existing young children. take care of their lives. i made a medical decision that was the best for the lives of my family. since i've started to share my story, i have heard from so many women. abortion is health care. it is not something that only happens on the fringes. there are so many instances of this on a regular basis. and in this moment, women who are in a position to do so need to be sharing our stories to take away at stigma because only then can we have a true conversation about how important
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this right is for women in our country. i'm sharing my story because abortion is health care. >> you know, mika asked what would you say to those people who would say that life begins at conception. well, we've had some of those people in focus groups saying that is what they believe, saying they believe the election was stolen, saying that they were huge donald trump supporters, but also saying i'm a man that is not my choice, that should be a woman's choice. and i think that is the thing that struck both mika and me the most since the dobbs decision, that so many people are telling us, hey, we may be pro-life, but we don't want to make decisions, we don't feel like we have the right to make the decision over a 10-year-old girl's body who has been raped in ohio or a
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mother of two who may have a medical condition. we have been really surprised that really ideology doesn't make a big difference to so many people who think women's fundamental rights over their own health care, over their own bodies, has been taken away. so what do you do, what do you do to reach out not to just democrats but republicans alike? >> we have a lot of conversations. so i am running in a very rural, very, very purple district. it is larger than the state of massachusetts, we drive 1,000 miles a week and we have a lot of conversation. and the conversation that we're hearing on the doors is exactly what you alluded to. the american people do not think that there is a place for anyone but a woman to be making this
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decision. i happened to be out in the district the day that the dobbs decision came down and i was with a group that was primarily female across party lines. and i would guess that the ages in the room were women in their early 20s through probably their mid-70s. and to a person, when someone spoke up and said the dobbs decision had just come down, every woman there had silent tears running down her cheeks. this is not a partisan issue. this is an issue about women's health care. >> yeah, it really -- jonathan lemire, that is the thing that again reports that donald trump himself, a guy that appointed these judges, was fuming quietly, privately, saying that republicans -- the texas law was stupid, was going to hurt republicans and said to people
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close to him he understood what will dobbs decision was going to do. and again, we're all seeing it. people are just absolutely shocked, jonathan, that the supreme court has stepped in and said a state can compel a 10-year-old girl who has been raped to have a forced birth. and in every other situation as well. >> yeah, and there are a number of republicans who feel like this actually endangers their chances this fall. and this is such a personal decision of course, but we're talking about the politics of it as well. have you seen that this is by any measure this environment in november where democrats were seeing optimistic but inflation and the president's poll numbers, but this may have changed things and excited members of the democratic party? >> what i'm hearing again on the doors, on the ground in the district, is that in this moment, across both parties, people are ready to look for a candidate not a party. because they don't feel aligned with any single party. so what we're hearing consistently in the district is this, there are three issues on
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the ballot this fall. roe, guns and the cost of living. and as candidates, we need to make sure we're addressing each of those. i'm the only in my race who has any kind of track record delivering economic empowerment for working families. i built a business based on that. i'm the only candidate who can deliver on all three of those in this race. >> you know, mika, jamie also tweeted something we've been talking about july 14th, texas republicans want to criminalize abortions even when a mother's life is at risk. i'm disgusted but i can't say i'm surprised. that is where the republicans are in 2022, they are fighting efforts to save a mother's life when they are life is at risk on the operating table. >> for new york's 19th u.s. congressional district, jamie cheney, thank you for sharing your story and coming on the
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