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hey, everybody. good morning once again. thanks for sticking with us. it's 11:00 a.m. in the east, 8:00 a.m. out west. i'm yasmin vassoughian. we'll begin this hour back in uvalde whereby where residents will have yet another opportunity to speak out about the response to one of the worst school shootings in modern u.s. history. this evening, there will be a school board meeting, one day after a state house committee investigating the shooting released a shocking report and uvalde's mayor released body cam footage from that day. nbc news correspondent sam brock has more on this. >> reporter: for the first time,
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the public is getting a chilling picture of early moments inside robb elementary from police body camera footage. >> am i bleeding? am i bleeding? >> reporter: early chaos and glimpses of calls to action. >> we've got to get in there. we've got to get in there. he's going to keep shooting. >> reporter: that plea coming minutes after the massacre began. but that first interaction, the only time the officers are seen in the video physically confronting the gunman for well over an hour. at one point, uvalde school district police chief pete arredondo, seen trying to reason with the shooter. >> you let me know if there's any kids in there or anything? this could be peaceful. >> reporter: arredondo, who's on administrative leave, maintains he was not the innocent commander that day. this new footage released as the most comprehensive report to date conducted by the texas house finds law enforcement, which ultimately reached 376 officers, didn't honor their most basic responsibility. the authors writing, they failed to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their
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own safety. >> several officers in the hallway or in that building knew or should have known there was dying in that classroom and they should have done more, acted with urgency. >> reporter: family members said they were hoping for more than a verbal dressing down. >> what they're saying, we already knew it. they were cowards. >> reporter: ultimately, some action was taken right away. the city's mayor announcing right before this meeting the acting chief of uvalde's police department, mariano pargas, now on administrative leave. the report citing, no evidence that any officers who did learn about 911 phone calls coming from inside rooms 111 and 112, including pargas, acted on it to activate response to active shooter-style response. there are also windows into heroism. >> let's get these kids out of here. >> reporter: students apparently being pulled out of the building. and this heartbreaking hallway exchange with officer ruben ruiz, right after the initial gunfire.
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>> oh, that's my wife's classroom. >> reporter: learning his wife, ava morales, a teacher was shot and dying before his weapon was taken and he was removed for trying to engage the shooter, according to texas dps. the only teacher who did survive in those two rooms are nouvel reyes, shot twice, believes that morales could have been saved. >> reporter: if the law enforcement officers on scene would have allowed him to continue pursuing the gunman? >> yeah, she would have probably lived. and i think she's one of the ones who they said also pled to death. >> reporter: all 11 of the students in his class didn't survive. >> heartbreaking. nbc news correspondent sam brock joining us now from uvalde. also with us, tony pletski, investigative reporter for the "austin american-statesman," and cedric alexander in dekalb county, georgia, the past president of the national law enforcement executives and a law
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enforcement analyst. just talk to me more about what that teacher told you in that heartbreaking interview. >> another very important part of the conversation, yasmin, is the fact that he said, at no point could he hear anyone trying to open the door or get inside the classroom until this resolved, about an hour and 20 minutes later. he was suffering with two gunshot wounds at the time. he thought for sure, i am going to die. it speaks to the fact that this broader community, parents and family members who lost loved ones, as well. they know the whatwhats. they want to know the why. there were almost 400 law enforcement officers right here, 400 against one. yes, the shooter had an ar-15, they had rifles as well and ballistic shields. where was the action? they want answers. >> sam, you and i were there from the very beginning after this first took place. and there were so many failures from the jump of this thing, and the way in which they communicated it to the press and
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to the family members of those that were lost inside of that school. and they also lay out some of the failures in this report when it comes to the lead up, right? what was put out there social media by this shooter. >> reporter: there were so many things, yasmin, right? you have the school failure, certainly, you have the law enforcement failures. but on social media, we talk all the time about the fact, these things don't just happen overnight. there's always a trail, there are always signs. the shooter in this case was a walking red flag. a year out from the massacre, you had people who interacted with him on social media platforms, on gaming platforms who said, that's the future school shooter. that's how they felt. no one voiced anything. and as his revelations got darker and darker with each iteration, threatened violence and rape against women in those gaming platforms, video of a dead cat, all of these signs along the way that said something is clearly not right here, and nobody intervened to say something.
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>> nobody intervened. tony, talk to me. you've been on the ground as well reporting on this thing from the very beginning, looking at this report as you combed through it yesterday, and of course, your own origin reporting on all of it and the folks you have been speaking to you, what stands out to you most about wright about now? >> i think as people are waking up this morning, everyone still just trying to make sense of what -- where there is no sense to be made. as i was reading that report and studying it, yesterday, i've described it before is almost as you are going through it, the next sentence you read gets worse than the sentence before. it's almost impossible to make sense of the entire narrative about what happened that day. but one of the things that the report also says, and this has not been as widely discussed, certainly, there has been emphasis, rightly so, on the law enforcement response, but the
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report also goes to great lengths to talk about the culture of security at that school. and how there was a culture of leaving doors propped open that the classroom where most of these victims were shot, there was a known lock malfunction that had been known and reported weeks earlier. and so i think, certainly, a hope is that as people are waking up and reading this report again today, is that schools across the country will take heed and take notice and recognize the vital importance, the potentially life-saving importance of school security, as well. >> yeah, let's talk about that. before we talk more about the police response, of course. some of what we have seen there at the school, is that a budgeting issue, tony? what is the budget for this school district? i know that governor abbott, of course, we have been talking about, whether or not governor
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abbott was asked for an increase in school budget there in uvalde, if, in fact, that happened. who was some for making sure that locked classroom should have been locked? there was shaky wi-fi. there wasn't an announcement over the loud speaker to go into lockdown. those are not things that should be happening at a school like this, especially when they had a program put in place to respondent to school shootings, just a couple of months ago, co-authored by pete arredondo himself. >> i think that is one of the most painful things about this report. and certainly, what happened that day is the blame of the shooter, and the shooter himself. but i think one of the things that was so wrenching about this report is that as you read it, you realize there was just a series after series of either mistakes or inaction, but with regard to the school, the report
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discussed a culture of sort of a lackadaisical nature around keeping doors locked, at times, keeping them propped open. but also, in addition to that, we know, also, from this report, it revealed that there were infrastructure issues, as you mentioned, as well, yasmin. for example, the principal of the school apparently had difficulty getting an active shooter notice out to the entire campus, because of a shaky wi-fi connection. and then there were also reports that the shaky wi-fi may have also impeded communication among law enforcement. and so as you peel back this report, again, we just get an even broader and more disturbing and frankly tragic picture that it was not just one thing, it was not just one factor that conspired to play such a
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devastating role in what happened. >> cedric, you and i spoke yesterday, as this report was breaking. i asked this question of jim kavanaugh in the last hour. and it is, should certain officers, who responded to this situation amongst the 376 that ended up being there over the course of that 77 minutes, be held criminally negligible? and if so, how you decipher who? >> well, let me say this. you had almost 400 officers on that scene, but as a state yesterday, let's put that in perspective. the greatest majority of those officers were outside of that building, carrying a lot of different variety of functions. now, who i am concerned about, and i think who the public and those parents and those victims who survived are concerned about are those officers who were in that hallway. you had dozens of officers in that hallway who failed to react and respond according to their training. there needs to be some
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accountability. whether it is criminal in nature or whether it's civil in nature, but here's what i will say. every last one of those officers who failed to respond, and i'm not going to accept the idea, well, there was no identifiable incident commander. we know throughout training, when we get there, we go towards the threat. had it just been you and i, yasmin, that's what you and i would have done. in this case, you had two dozen officers or more who failed to do it. and i've said it before. they should resign or either be terminated for a failure to carry out their basic fundamental duty. and that is to put their life beyond others, in place of others, in this case, a room full of children, schoolkids, who were totally defenseless, and teachers. it is unspeakable, it is not part of any training that goes on anywhere. and i'm not going to try to rationalize it in any way. and let me mention one of the things your guests was just
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talking about, as it relates -- >> please. >> -- to securing the building. if we have time, i would like to come back and address that. >> please do. keep going, cedric. >> so when there was conversation around the building itself not being secure the way it should have been, you're probably going to find that in a lot of schools across this country. but if you have a school police department and a school chief, that is part of their responsibility to make sure that those schools are adequately secured, that there's proper wi-fi that's there on the grounds at institution. that is part of their public safety law enforcement responsibility. you have civilians, administrators, teachers, they're not perfect. nobody is perfect. but the fact of the matter is, they did the very best they did as civilians, but it would have been my responsibility as a chief of that school, to make
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sure that i reinforced to everyone in that school the importance of keeping this school secure. and here's one more thing. even if you had totally secured that building, that does not mean that it still cannot be penetrated by someone who is truly determined, by doing something even as simple, even as simple as piggybacking behind someone who has been let in legitimately. and we've seen that happen. and i saw it happen in dekalb county when i was chief in 2013. it was a piggyback situation. so, it can happen. but the police in this case failed at every conceivable level. and they need to be held responsible, if they haven't terminated themselves, they need to be terminated. >> tony, before we go, i want to quickly ask you, are they ready to go back to school in a couple weeks' time. is there going to be counseling services on hand that you know of for these students who have to go back to school without
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their friends and teachers from last year? >> it is our understanding that the state is potentially taking some steps now to reach out to these families, to offer counseling services, but i think that is certainly an extension of this tragedy. when you think about the trauma of the other children, the other teachers who were inside that school, we see many of them and images that should never be happening in this country, where law enforcement is having to literally pull children through broken windows from their classrooms to save them. certainly, those children will have to live with what happened this day for the rest of their lives. certainly, i think, personally about not only the parents of the 19 children who died, but also their siblings and other family members. and, obviously, the ripples of
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what happened that awful day in uvalde will live with that city and those families for the rest of their lives. >> yeah. and beyond that likely, as well. sam brock, thank. tony, cedric alexander, thank you both, as well. all right, right now, everybody, jury selection getting started in steve bannon's trial for defying subpoenas from the january 6th committee. what is next for bannon and the committee? plus, this morning, a louisiana judge is hearing arguments about the state's trigger law that banned nearly all abortions in the state. we're going to take a look at that case. and growing confusion, really, across this country about what abortion care is still legal. we'll be right back. y about what abortion care is still legal abortion care is still legal we'll be right back. the 1950 census adds new detail to your family's story. explore it free on ancestry.
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welcome back. so, as we speak, jury selection in the trial for steve bannon continues in a washington courtroom. the adviser for former president trump faces two counts of criminal contempt of congress for refusing to appear before the january 6th committee. the trial starting just three days before the committee's next hearing thursday in prime-time. this time the panel expected to focus on that 187 minutes it took for former president trump to urge his follow toers leave the capitol after the attack began. i want to bring in our team here, nbc news national security and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian is outside the courthouse for us. nbc news senior national political reporter, sahil kapur is on capitol hill. also with me, harry litman, former u.s. attorney, legal affairs columnist for the "l.a. times" and host of "the talking feds" podcast. and asha rangappa, former
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special agent in the counterintelligence division of the fbi and senior lecturer and assistant dean at the yale jackson school of global affairs. welcome to you all, guys. thanks for joining us on this. ken, give us the big-picture outlook as you're out in front of that courthouse today. what are you watching for? >> today, yasmin, we're watching to see if they can seat a jury of impartial jurors who either haven't read news coverage of this case or who have convince adjudge they can fairly hear it. and so far they've gotten three of those panelists. but big picture overall, one of the interesting questions here is, is steve bannon going to go through with this? the judge has created a situation, a donald trump-appointed judge, where he's essentially cut off all of the legal defenses that bannon wanted to use in this case and there really is no factual dispute. he defied congressional subpoenas. he wasn't serving in the government at the time. so he's facing a mandatory minimum 30 days in prison and up to a year on each of these
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counts. now, no one who has ever been charged with this crime has served time in prison before, but there's always a first time. the other cases have pled out. the question is, is bannon going to go through with the trial and be a martyr, because it sure looks like he's going to be convicted, or will he cut a deal to avoid jail time? >> before we get that question answered by you, harry litman, so be thinking about that, talk to me first about the significance of this trial. >> well, look, bannon is the classic kind of trump joker who's been recalcitrant the whole time. in charging him with contempt, it meant they couldn't get his testimony anymore from the committee. they had to pay a cost for that, but it really is supposed to be an incentive for other people to cooperate. he's a first-class jackass. they knew that he would be that way and they funnel him into the criminal justice system, even at the cost of losing his testimony. although, after the conviction
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that ken predicts, there's no reason that they can't try to subpoena him again. >> harry litman, talking like he's on his podcast there, giving it to us straight. so, listen, you got the judge in this trial, bannon's attorney essentially saying, there's no defense. what's really the point? both agreeing on it, essentially, and trying to answer dilanian's question, which is, is he actually going to go through with this, instead of actually taking a plea deal, i wonder what your inclination is on that. what really is bannon's incentive to go through with this? and kind of wondering if he's looking possibly for a last-minute hail mary or something? >> it's just too late for him. he played it with all of this swashbuckling bravado. he tried to get out of it, but he couldn't. will he cut a deal? it's too late for deals, basically, yasmin. he would have to plead to everything. so that won't exactly help him.
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here's what's going to happen, i believe. a short case by the government. not that long for him. and he will try to sneak in and insinuate these irrelevant defenses that the judge says he can't use, like, i kind of, sort of thought that trump had okayed it. objection, your honor, but he'll try to get that in front of the jury in a somewhat dishonest way. that's his only play. and i think he will be convicted in pretty short order. >> sahil, let's talk january 6th. so focusing this thursday in prime-time, really, on that 187 minutes, i believe, between the time in which the former president gave that speech on the ellipse to when he gave that "go home but i love you" video, what are we expecting? >> that's right, yasmin. this hearing is expected to be all about those 187 minutes of inaction from former president trump after the doors of the capitol were breached. the committee plans to take us
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through the minute by minute to dissect what is happening, the pressures that then president trump was facing from his staff, from his allies, even from his family, to call off the mob and what he did, or rather more importantly, what he didn't do, which in the views of this committee was a dereliction of duty by the president. the hearing is expected to be led by adam kinzinger, the illinois republican, and elaine luria, the virginia democrat. they have teased testimony from new witnesses that we have not heard from so far. they also hope to get their hands on these secret service text messages from january 5th and january 6th, that were mysteriously, in the eyes of the committee, at least, erased. they've issued a subpoena by that. if they get those by the deadline they've issued of tomorrow, they may figure in as well. this is expected to be the final hearing of this tranche of hearing so far. adam kinzinger left open the possibility that they may do more after this later on this year. let's play what he had to say.
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>> this investigation is not winding down. we may be towards the end of this tranche of hearing, we may have more hearings in the future and the investigation is still ongoing. we're getting to the bottom of what we need to know. >> reporter: in other words, depending on what new information they get, what new witnesses come forward, we already saw them host that emergency hearing after cassidy hutchison, the former white house aide came forward with some shocking testimony. keep your eyes open for the possibility of that. as well as, the committee expects to issue a report later this year, and the chairman, bennie thompson, has indicated that the committee may want to hold a hearing to detail their findings in that report. >> asha, talk about who else you want to hear from. we just saw elaine luria and these new witnesses come thursday. as you're thinking about this thing has all played out, who else do you feel as if it's important to hear from this thursday evening? >> well, yasmin, i think the committee has done a great job of having these surprise
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witnesses that have been hard to predict. i will be interested to see if the secret service text messages are able to be produced and play a role in this. those communications will tils a lot about firsthand concerns about the president, about the vice president, and what was going on at the time. and i think it's potentially problematic that there is even any doubt that these text messages come out. even if there's not malfeasance, it's very strange that for a law enforcement agency, that they would not know to preserve communications from the worst attack on the capitol since the war on 1812. this is not -- you don't need sherlock holmes to know this. so i think, you know, it will be really interesting to see if they can produce some communications that were going on between law enforcement personally who was there when it was happening. >> how reveal do you think these
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text messages could feasibly be to help connect these dots? >> they can be incredibly revealing. we know, for example, from cassidy hutchinson's testimony, many of these personnel that they were telling president trump that many of the people in the crowd were armed and he was telling them to let them through the magnetometers. there's also the disputed event about them whisking him away from the riot and him wanting to go and whether there was an altercation. and on top of that, there were concerns about the vice president's safety and the vice president really was unwilling to get in the car with the secret service, because he was parade they were going to take him away and he wouldn't be able to complete his duties. so i think we really need to see what was happening and what was being kmuktd between these secret service personnel, and that will tell us a lot about
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what was happening with the actual players involved. >> sahil, i want to talk more about the production of this report. how long something like that will take, the timing we're expecting when it comes to this report. how many possible more testimonies there could between now and then, of course, because we have the deadline of the midterm elections in early november. >> that is absolutely the deadline. maybe november. come early next year, odds are at this moment, the republicans will take control of the house of representatives, and this committee is going to be out of business. so the panel knows that it's working with a deadline of this year. and their goal is to get that report out before the midterm elections. they haven't gotten more specific about that. they keep getting new information. they say new witnesses keep coming forward, in the midst of this hearing. they still have a number of unfulfilled, unsecured subpoenas, including from key figures like mark meadows, steve bannon was the first one to get hit with a contempt citation and get charged.
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he is going through the system right now in trial. it all depends, yasmin, i think, on what they get, when they find it, and when they see fit to release that. of course, we are still watching for that midterm election deadline, because they want to get this information out so voters know what they're dealing with when they head to the polls this november. >> ken dilanian, sahil kapur, asha rangappa, thank you all very much. this morning in louisiana, a judge is going to hear arguments about the state's near-total ban on abortions. we'll take a look at the latest on the fight over abortion rights across this country, coming up next. over abortion over abortion rights nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? [whistling] across th coming up next when you have technology that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds...
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caroline kitschner. thanks for joining us on this. can we first talk about where we're at with things and what we're expecting? >> absolutely. i think the important thing to know about these legal challenges that these laws in places like louisiana, they are not likely to remain blocked for very long. we are talking probably about resuming abortion access for a matter of days. that's the kind of window that we're going to see. in the long-term, with joefrd overturned, it's extremely unlikely that this is going to be any kind of permanent block. and even if it is, it's important to know that lawmakers in places like louisiana, they are waiting with other laws, just waiting in the wings, to come forward and to block abortion in another way. >> so, so much of this is really causing, it seems, a ripple effect throughout the country. affecting, also, prenatal care, really. miscarriage procedures, after a
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woman experiences a miscarriage. i want to read for you a little bit from "the new york times" on their reporting with this. talking about a woman who experienced a miscarriage last year and was able to get a dnc, and then she had yet another miscarriage once again after the six-week abortion ban was put in place in the state of texas, and she was denied removal at that point of her fetus, because of the laws in place, despite doctors noting that she had bled heavily and that she was in a lot of pain, saying, quote, this, she sat on the title, digging fingernail marks in my wall from pain. she then moved to the bathtub, where her husband held her hand as they both cried. it was so different, she said, from my first experience, where they were so nice and so comforting to now just feeling alone and terrified. this is affecting prenatal care, as well. really delays in removing these nonviable tissues that can be
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life threatening to women. >> we are seeing so much confusion in hospitals and doctor's office across this country. you know, all of these abortion bans, they have, technically, exemption for life of the mother, for medical emergencies, but what we're seeing is doctors and pharmacists who don't know what that means. the language is quite vague in general, and they're scared that if they perform, you know, the care that they took an oath to perform, that maybe they could be prosecuted. it's a really tough spot for a doctor to be in, and there's very little guidance from what i'm hearing. >> you're also, carolyn, reporting quickly on this area in illinois, that is essentially an island of abortion access. >> i mean, we are going to see thousands and thousands of people going to southern illinois over the course of the next year.
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and clinics there, you know, towns there are preparing for their place to become a national abortion destination. we're going to see women driving, flying, just, you know, swarming on these places, because it's the only place that they can have access to abortion. >> carolyn kitchener, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. all right. waging wildfires, extreme heat, and strained power grids all across the country, we see daily reminders of the growing climate crisis. but senator joe manchin just rejected a major part of the democrats' climate plan, so what can get done? i'm going to talk to one of the democrats in the house select committee on the climate crisis coming up next. select committee on the climate crisis coming up next
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hottest temperatures of the summer yet. and it seems we shouldn't expect action from congress. joe manchin just dealt a blow to his party's climate agenda they could have passed along party lines if they had his vote. and his vote alone. want to bring in democratic congressman sean cassin of illinois, a member of the house select committee on the climate crisis. congressman, thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. listen, senator sanders essentially going after his own senate colleagues, because of not being able to get this thing across the finish line. what do you make of it? >> it is tragic, like, we're sitting here looking at, as you mentioned, the wildfires, the rising sea levels. but beyond that, we are being pressed to say, what can you do to lower energy costs. and everybody who has a solar panel, who has an electric vehicle, spends a lot less on energy. we should be doing that for selfish reasons. and at the end of the day, we're
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stuck, you know, manchin is a symptom. he's not the problem. the problem is the u.s. senate. that by design massively overrepresents land at the expense of people, which means they massively overrepresent the interests of energy producers at the expense of energy consumers, so instead of prioritizing cleaner energy, we prioritize the interest of people who want to dig things out of the ground and set them on fire in the senate. until the senate realizes they have a massive structural defect, we'll continue to be an embarrassment on the world stage. >> what about the responsibility of senator schumer and getting someone like joe manchin onboard to deliver the votes that they need? >> i think it's a great question. we have got to get to a point where we elect more people who give a damn about the planet, who think it's more important to protect the filibuster in the senate. we've got to ask hard questions about why it is that leadership
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in the senate decided to put someone like joe manchin in charge of senate energy policy. because you don't do that if you fundamentally understand the stakes of this moment in our history. and i would like to see much stronger leadership to actually view climate change as a policy problem, not just a political problem to be dealt with every time you're up for election. >> you know, you see the united states having a dance with a country, like saudi arabia, because of the oil crisis across the world right now, having to dance with a country like russia, that continues to invade the sovereignty of ukraine. i can't help but wonder as to whether or not your colleagues see one of the major reasons why this country needs energy independence and clean energy at that, for those very reasons, if not know other. >> i mean, i certainly do. i think my colleagues on the select committee certainly do. and we try to remind folks all the time, if you really want to
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hurt vladimir putin, change the u.s. economy so we don't depend on fossil fuel. help the europeans do the same. that also makes us not independent on people like mds in saudi arabia. do remember, also, that every single person that was claiming right now that we need to do something about energy costs, how many of them were complaining two years ago when donald trump called mbs and said, we are going to take troops out of saudi arabia, unless you cut back on your production to raise energy cost? go look that up. people were celebrating donald trump and the republican party because he caused oil prices to spike. how many of them complained? and i mentioned that, because that's the rub. the people who are advocating for the interests in the fossil fuel industry are not advocating for cheap energy. they're advocating for expensive energy. no one in the fossil energy industry wants to sell their product for cheap. they want to set it for more. that's what they're pushing for. that's why they're so scared about a transition to clean energy. because they know that they
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can't compete on an economically equivalent ground. >> and i wonder if this is really one of the reasons, sir, this is from "the new york times," just 1% of voters in a recent "new york times" poll naming climate change as the most important issue facing the country. 1%! even among voters under 30 years of age, that figure was at 3%. could that be one of the driving factors? >> i think, frankly, that's -- don't blame the voters, blame the elected officials. i have spent 20 years of my career in the climate -- in clean energy before i came to congress. i ran on climate, not because it polled well, because it is an important thing and i am under the belief that if you are in a position of leadership, where are job is to lead. this is what i said about criticizing some of the leadership in my own party. if you look at polls and say, this isn't important, and you conclude that you shouldn't talk about it, then what you are saying is that you are not capable of leadership. >> if you look at polls and say,
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this isn't something that polls well with the voters, and yet it is critically important that we do it, and i understand this because i have access to the briefings at nasa and noaa and the epa and you are capable of leadership, you get out front and educate the voters and bring them along. we have done that in our congressional district. we need more leaders at the national level to understand it. i have had this conversation with the president himself. if -- as long as this issue polls lower than it needs to be, then our work as leaders is not done. and we need more leaders to step up and explain that to folks. >> congressman sean castin, thank you. >> thank you. a former fda commissioner says the window to get the monkeypox outbreak under control may have already closed. that's next. monkeypox outbreak under control may have already closed.
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the monkeypox outbreak continuing to grow with the cdc now tracking over 1800 confirmed cases in the united states. also growing, the demand for vaccines. the health department announcing it will release 8,000 first doses over the next two weeks. those doses not expected to arrive until next year as the fda commissioner warning time is running out to contain this virus. >> i think the window for getting control of this and containing it probably has closed. if it hasn't closed, it's certainly starting to close. >> here with us dr. gupta, do you agree with that, that the window is now closing?
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if so, what could be in our future? >> good morning. i partly agree with it. i do think we're under counting cases, but i think there's an opportunity here with the right policies to minimize the burden of disease of monkeypox, suffering from monkeypox. it starts with making sure we can get treatment to people who need it. right now there's a lot of barriers to getting treatment that already exists to patients that need it. that's the first step. >> can we talk covid for a moment? we are seeing folks getting multiple infections within weeks and months of one another. if you are infected multiple times, is there a detrimental long-term risk to your health that we are finding? >> we are. there are individuals that are suffering from this condition that i'm sure many viewers have
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heard of by now called long covid. researchers in boston just found out there is virus that persists in the bodies of individuals that have this long covid-19. there's an increased risk if you get chronically exposed, chronically reinfected. this is a big concern. >> there's a real exhaustion over all of it. we're talking about monkeypox now being in our future. we're talking about covid. is there an end in sight? because it feels as if next fall we'll have yet another vaccine that will include some of these omicron variants that were not in the last one. is there an end in sight? >> i do think, one, we live in an era with globalization of
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what more do we know about these cases here? >> reporter: so president zelenskyy made the announcement last night. from what we understand today, these are temporary suspensions while an investigation plays out. what we know right now is these two officials, the head of ukraine's spy agency and the prosecutor general are not individually being accused of treason, but the allegation from president zelenskyy is there have been numerous claims and allegations of treason within their organizations. that's what's led to this suspension. he says in part -- and i'm paraphrasing -- that seeing so many allegations of treason or collaboration with russia within these organizations poses very serious questions to the relevant leaders. these two officials have not publicly commented yet. the prosecutor general has been very closely involved in trying
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