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thanks for watching the katie phang show. velshi starts right now. >> for 187 minutes on january six this man with unbridled, destructive energy could not be moved. >> president trump did not fail to act he chose not to act. >> i think it is pretty clear we need to be in the media and having response. >> donald trump said his 2:24 teats, mike pence didn't have the courage to help which should have been done to protect our country.
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>> that was the moment i decided that i was going to resign. i simply did not want to be associated with the events that were unfolding on the capitol. >> for him to tweet out the message about mike pence, it was him pouring gasoline on the fire. it made it worse much worse. she looked directly at me and not hushed tone shared with me that the president did not want to include any sort of mentions a piece in that tweet. >> on january 7th, president trump still could not say that the election was over. >> this election is now over, if it is, congress has certified the results. i do not want to say the election is over. i just want to say congress has certified the results. >> we have much work yet to do. we will see you all in september. do we will see you all in september. good morning, saturday, july 23rd. i am sam stein in for my friend,
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the one and only, ali velshi. the senior special hour on this week's explosive hearing from the january 6th select committee. this week, committee refrained the story of donald trump on january six. they painted a damning picture of a man who does not just fair to support his voters, but refused to do so. he wanted them to succeed in overturning the election results. thursday's hearing focused on the 187 minutes. from 1:10 pm to 4:17 pm, from the time trump spoke to supporters at the rally, there was a battle cry. from the time he released approve recorded rose garden video statement, on social media. halfheartedly asking his supporters to go home, but telling them, quote, we love you. during that time in some cases for hours after, there is really not an official white house record of what the president was doing. as a select committee revealed, there are hours long gaps in the presidential call log and the presidential daily diary. the chief white house
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photographer was told not to take photos for that stretch. we do know that trump did not make any calls to top officials who could have, and indeed, should have expected a call from the commander in chief. the u.s. capital was under attack. >> are you aware of any phone call by the president of the united states to the secretary of defense that day? >> not that i am aware of, now. >> are you aware of any phone call by the president of the united states, or the attorney general of the united states that day? >> no. >> are you aware of any phone calls by the president of the united states to the secretary of homeland security that day? >> i am not aware of that, now. >> now, some phone records to exist from that timeframe. people trump speaking with, it includes, at least two calls. his personal attorney, rudy giuliani's, and calls to republican senators. >> if president trump was not calling law enforcement or military leaders, what did
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president trump spend his time doing that afternoon while he first settled into the dining room? he was calling senators to encourage them to delay, or object to the certification. here is kayleigh mcenany, his press secretary, to explain. >> it is back there, and he wants a list of senators. he is calling them one by one. do you know which ones he called? >> to the best of my recollection, no. >> one committee attempted to clear up a myth that trump had failed to act to stop supporters. there might have been some bruised ego, or customer worry trumpian at ineptitude at play. the committee made the strong case that trump's 187 minutes of inaction was his action. he was not just allowing the insurrection to unfold. he was hoping it would be successful. in his silence during that time, it was in essence a wait and
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see strategy. the strategy played out as the committee demonstrated. it happened despite repeated pleas for people close to him to do something. >> so, you are advice was to tell people to leave the capitol. it took over two hours, when there were subsequent tweets, that were in years we were insufficient. did you continue, cipollone, throughout the period of time, up until 4:17, continue to push for a stronger sign? were you joined in the effort by ivanka trump? >> yes. >> yes. >> and mark meadows? >> yes. >> probably most importantly the hearing also revealed more about trump's mind set. as january six was coming to an end. >> on the screen is the last photograph of the president that night. he went into the residence. as he was gathering his things in the dining room to leave, president trump reflected on
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the day's events with the white house employees. this was the same employee that met president trump in the oval office after he returned from the -- president trump said nothing to the employee about the attacks. he said only, quote, mike pence let me down. >> then, even the next day, when trump finally relented and recorded a short speech about january six, even then, he refused to say that the election was over. as chris extremely revealing out taken from that speech now shows. >> whenever you are ready sir. >> i would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack yesterday. and to those who broke the law, you will pay. you do not represent our
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movement. you do not represent our country. if you broke the law, i can't say that, i already said you will pay. the demonstrators who infiltrated the capitol have defied the seat of, it is defiled, right? i can't see it very well. i will do this, i'm going to do this. this election is now over. congress has certified the results. i do not want to say the election is over. i just want to say congress has certified the results without saying the election is over, okay? >> now congress has certified. >> i did not say overselling. let me see. do not go to the paragraph before. >> which brings us to yesterday. less than 24 hours after the a public hearing concluded former white house chief strategist, steve bannon, was found guilty by a federal jury on two counts of contempt of congress, for
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failing to comply with the select committee. he has said to be sentenced on october 21st. joining me now is daniel goldman. he serves as the majority counsel for the house impeachment inquiry into donald trump. the first impeachment inquiry into donald trump is also the former director of investigations for the house intelligence committee. in addition to being a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. you should also note, he is currently running for congress in new york's tenth congressional district. dan, thank you so much for joining me. let's start with the fact that there is really not a white house official record of what the president was doing on january six. hours long gaps in the call logs. no daily diaries of the chief white house photographers. told not to take pictures. probably the first time trump has said no pictures. what is your take on the significance of this information gap? both the sense that it might be deliberate, and what it could tell us if we actually were to
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have had that information. >> wildes, the obvious implication is that it is deliberate. perhaps, if we did not have one of those things you could make an argument that there were some oversights, or it got lost, or the dog ate it, or something. when you have so many records that are routinely kept, pursuant to the law, let's remember, it is required by the presidential records act to keep these logs of calls, and daily diaries. and then, on top of it, we have evidence now that we learned about the president directing the white house photographer to not take photos of him. it is clearly intentional. what does that mean? it means that there was some cover-up. because, the inferences, obviously, that the president knew that what was going on that day was, potentially, illegal. he knew that what he was doing
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was wrong, or what he was not doing was wrong. somehow, after the fact, jeez records and logs were erased, or were not completed. we do not have the full story. i actually would love to get to the bottom of what actually happened. someone may need a direction to not include this in the presidential daily diary. perhaps the committee has information on that. perhaps that is something yet to come. i would expect that justice is using the grand jury, subpoena power to find that out. it is clearly consciousness of guilt. it goes to the president's state of mind. at least, to those around him. they want to cover up what the president was not doing on that day. >> right, trump does have somewhat of a history of trying to keep people who could do, potentially, recording or be contentious, in very high
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profile moments. i want to shift gears a tiny bit. how do you compel the type of information you are talking about? how it's compelled to come out. steve bannon, this week, found guilty yesterday, two counts of contempt of congress. essentially, for -- the subpoena, he is going to be sentenced on october 21st. what is the expectations you have about the sentencing? how it will come down and whether he will serve any time in jail? do you imagine he will be forced to cooperate with the committee? >> all, the minimum sentence that he would face is 30 days. so, if this is upheld by the appellate court, after his sentencing, he will go to jail for at least 30 days. each count carries a 30-day minimum. you can run them for what is called, concurrently, or at the same time. i do not think that steve bannon is going to come in and cooperate, at this point. frankly, it will have no
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bearing on his conviction. this is a charge that is not conditions on his testimony. it is because he refused to testify. and, the sentence will include no requirements that he testify. it is simply punitive for not actually complying. the reason it is important, and to go back to the other point we were talking about, people now will realize that if they do not cooperate with the select committee, if they do not cooperate with congress, then they can get criminally charged and go to jail. that is what happens when you defy a grand jury subpoena from department of justice. and now, there is a clear path to show that it can also happen if you defy a congressional subpoena. i think this is a very different to turn into effect for others. even though mark meadows may not, ultimately, get charged because of some more intricacies in his case, i do
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think that congress, and certainly the doj, can get to the bottom of this. >> meadows might just decide that unlike bannon he will put on a defense. anyways, dan goldman, thank you so much for joining us. good like out on the trail. i appreciate it. joining me now is democratic representative andy tester of new hampshire. she is part of the so-called gallery group of about 20 members who were trapped in the house gallery during the insurrection. she informed an informal support group in the aftermath of the effect. she also is a graduate of one of the finest educational institutions in the land, dartmouth college. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. i would like to ask you about one of the most striking pieces of new video that we saw this week. it is footage of senate leaders, mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer, and they are talking with the acting defense secretary. it is during the insurrection. schumer is on the call. everyone looks a little frantic. for obvious reasons. and he is on a call, and he says some of the capitol police are saying to him that it might
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take several days to secure the building. that, to me, and a lot of other people, really underscored how dire it felt in that moment. the idea that something might have been left behind, deliberately, by someone who had stormed the capitol. you really need to do a full and zero sweep. can you describe what it was like for you in that moment? how it felt, how scared you are? and how uncertain it was even going back and later that night? >> we are, i will start, dan, that the white house staff saying that they were exhausted. we went back in at 8:30 and say till 3:30 in the morning to fulfill our duty. it was incredibly terrifying that day. we all, in the gallery, thought that we were going to die. we thought there was going to be a mass casualty event. when we were finally evacuated from the gallery, biden, they had made their way up to the third floor. there is video footage, now,
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from security cameras that after i ducked into an elevator was just 30 seconds before there were rioters in that very hallway. i do not think the american people truly understand how close we came and the danger that we were under. not just to us personally, for all lives, but for our democracy. we would not have been able to go back in and certify the vote that night. when we were waiting in the schools to concern, there are hundreds of members of congress. we were five hours stuck in a room. we were frantic. we were worried that the building was not safe. that we were not safe. i had not realized until these hearings that the riot continued until 4:30 in the afternoon. the truth is, we were not safe. but, we, luckily, with the help of the troops that finally did come in, the building was cleared. we were able to go back into the chamber at 8:30. the fbi was crawling over the
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chamber. there were bullet holes. there was glass all over everywhere. we did make it back to work, so that the american people could wake up to our democracy restored after this heinous attack. >> right, i think one of the, sort of, seminal moments of the hearing is, basically, when you are getting at. it is the unexpected shock of this happening by people who were there, including people who had empathy or sympathy for the protest. the clear example being josh hawley. we couldn't of it from the select committee over here. let's watch the video quickly and i will ask you a question on the other side. >> sure. >> senator josh hawley also had to flee. earlier that afternoon, before the joint session started, he walked across the east front of the capital.
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as you can see in the photo he raised his fist in solidarity with the protesters. already amassing at the security gates. we spoke with the capitol police officer who is out there at the time and she told us that senator hawley's gesture riled up the crowd. he was bothered her greatly because she was doing it in a safe space, protected by the officers and the barriers. later that day, senator hawley fled after those protesters he helped to rile up stormed the capitol. see for yourself. , i mean, he was not exactly usain bolt there, but he was
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moving. i think it goes to show you that there was some surprise eddie among people in the crowd about what had happened. i guess, my question for you is, were you surprised watching halle hole out of there? why do you think the committee was trying to show the before and after imagery, other than to take him down a peg? >> truthfully, we had members of the house who had spoken at the rally, and had riled the crowd. they were active on twitter. there are some allegations that some had given tours of the capitol the day before. so we have colleagues that participated in creating this mob, unleashing this mob, and then to watch them run for their lives, i think, really, makes the point, thank god the capitol police were there to protect us and our democracy. >> all rights, democratic representative any cost or, the great state of new hampshire. the truly great state. thank you very much.
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we appreciate you joining us. >> great to be with you. thanks. >> we will continue to break down thursday's historic public hearing throughout the special edition of velshi. after a quick commercial break we will dive into the mindset of the former brace president, and the security team. and the palpable feel that they felt was of violence in the capital going down. f violence in th capital going down capital going down . (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (dad) yeah, and it's from the most reliable 5g network in america. ies know. (geek friend) we're already here! (vo) the network you want. the price you love. only from verizon. moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq.
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supporters who stormed the capitol on january 6th a chance as hang my hands can be heard. hang mike pence. we did not know till the three kelp help-able the danger was for mike pence and his team. six on thursday, the january six select committee learned through exhibits and recorded testimony that the danger was so real, and so close, that the president and his security detail, and vice president security details were radio-ing and for their families, with goodbye messages in case they did not make it home that night. >> as rioters entered the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes, as they worked to clear a safe path to a secure location. now, listen to some of that radio traffic. see what they were seeing as the protesters got just feet away from where the vice president was holding. >> hold.
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>> we need to move now. >> if we lose anymore time he may lose the ability to leave. if we are going to leave we need to do it now. >> we have gained access to the second floor. i have people about five feet from me down below. >> they are on the second floor moving and now. you may want to consider getting out and leaving now, copy? >> once we make our way. >> repeat. >> can we ask individuals if they made their way? >> there are six officers between us and the people that are 5 to 10 feet away from us. >> we are going to go down to evaluate. >> we have a clear path if we move quickly. >> we have smoke. standby. is it by the protesters?
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>> is the route compromise? >> we have this beep. however, we will bypass some processors that are being campaigned. there is smoke. i do not know what kind of smoke it is. >> we are coming out now. lead the way. >> the president's national security council staff was listening to these developments and tracking them in realtime. on the screen you can see excerpts from the chat logs among the national council's security staff. at 2:13 the staff learned that the rioters were kicking in the windows at the capitol. three minutes later the staff said, the vice president was being told. it meant that agents evacuated him from the senate floor. at 2:24 the staff noted that the secret service agents at the capitol did not, quote,
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sound good right now. earlier, you heard from a security professional who had been working in the white house complex on january six. with access to relevant information, and a responsibility to report to national security officials. we asked this person, what was meant by the comments that the secret service agents did not, quote, sound good right now? and the following clip of that testimony, which has been modified to protect individuals identity, the professional discusses what they heard from listening to the incoming radio traffic that day. >> -- the capital does not sound good right now. >> correct. >> what does that mean? >> the members of the vp detail at the time were starting to fear for their own lives. there was a lot of yelling.
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there were a lot of very personal calls. -- it was disturbing. i do not like talking about it. there were calls to say goodbye to family members, so on and so forth. for whatever reason, on the ground, the vp detail thought this was about to get very ugly. this was about to get very ugly ugly so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. ever leave your clothes in the dryer and find a wrinkled mess? try downy wrinkle guard fabric softener! wrinkle guard penetrates deep into fibers, leaving clothes so soft, wrinkles don't want to stick around.
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january six committee will be the last one for a while. we don't expect to hear publicly from the committee again, until september. more than any other, hearing this one ought to paid a picture of donald trump soon you get the said to her of a violent coup attempt. nobody told that story better, republican congresswoman and committee vice chair, liz cheney. who's closing monologue served as a capstone to a congressional investigation
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that will be among history's most memorable and among its most important. take a look. >> this committee i showing you the testimony of dozens of republican witnesses. now issues of presidential doily four years. the case against donald trump in these hearings is not made by witnesses who were his political enemies. it is it's that a series of compassion by donald trump's own appointees, his own friends, his own campaign officials, people who worked for him for years. his own family. they have come forward and they have told the american people the truth. and for those of you who seem to think that the evidence would be different if robin later that mccarthy had not withdrawn his nominees from this committee, let me ask you this. do you really think bill barr is such a delicate flower that he would wilt under cross examination?
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patsy pallone, eric herschmann, jeff rosen, richard donahue, of course they aren't. none of our witnesses are. at one point in 2016, when he was first running for office, donald trump said this. i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. that quote came to mind last week when audio from trump advisers, steve bannon surface from october 31st 2020. just a few days before the presidential election. let us listen. >> what trouble do is declare victory. he is going to declare victory, and that doesn't mean that he will win but he will just say he is the winner. >> the democrats more of our people vote earlier that count. there is vote in the mail and so, that will have a natural disadvantage and trump will take advantage of that strategy. so when you wake up wednesday morning, it will be a
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firestorm. >> also, if trump is losing, by ten or 11 at night, it will be even crazier. now because you will sit right there and say they stole it. if biden's win in, trump's gonna do some crazy blank. >> and of, course four days later president trump declared victory when his own campaign advisers told him he had absolutely no basis to do so. but the new steve bannon audio demonstrates is that donald trump's plan to falsely claim victory in 2020, no matter what the facts actually were was premeditated. perhaps worse, donald trump believes that he could convince his voters to buy it. whether he had any actual evidence of fraud or not. and the same thing continue to occur from election day onward until january 6th. here is the worst part. donald trump knows that millions of americans who
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supported him would stand up and defend our nation were it threatened. they would put their lives and their freedom at stake to protect her. and he is praying on their patriotism. he is praying on their sense of justice and on january six, donald trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our capital and our constitution. >> he has purposely created the false impression that america is threatened by a foreign force, controlling voting machines. or that a wave of tens of millions of false ballots were secretly injected into our election system. or that ballot workers have sacred thumb drives and are stealing elections with them. all complete nonsense. in our hearing, tonight you saw an american president faced with a stark and unmistakable choice between right and wrong. there was no ambiguity, no
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nuance, donald trump made a purposeful choice to violate his oath of office. to ignore the ongoing violence against law enforcement. to threaten the constitutional order. there is no way to excuse that behavior, it was indefensible. and every american must consider this. can a president who is willing to make the choices that donald trump made during the violence of january 6th ever be trusted with any position of authority in our great nation again? let me assure everyone of you this. our committee understands the gravity of this moment. the consequences for our nation. we have much work yet to do. we will see you all in september. e you all in or... his nose. september.
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doris barricaded, people fighting the door is outside. no way out. >> we were just told that there has been tear gas -- we have been instructed to each of us get the gas mask. >> well, you just saw as a video montage presented by the january six committee during thursday's primetime hearing. shows the chaos unfolding of the capital just as donald trump issued a tweet asking his mob of supporters to quote stay peaceful. this week's hearing made a damning, compelling case of donald trump did not in fact one piece on that day. as actions are in the 187 minutes had refused to call off the mop, that those revealed his true enchanted. to wait and see if the coup
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worked. before doing anything to stop it. joining me now is the lawmaker that you just saw, the end of that disturbing video, who is instructed the gap a gas mask as tear gas filled the halls of the capital. democratic congressman, peter welch of vermont. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. tell us what you are feeling during the hearing where you essentially have to relive that day. tell us what you are feeling the moment you are documenting the instructions in royal time? >> well you, know i was in the house gallery, all separated because of covid then. what was so stunning was when they capitol police did something that has never happened in my experience in congress. they interrupted the proceedings on the floor. this was out of the security attempt and so we were all totally bewildered. all of us thought that we were in the safest place that we could be. and then suddenly, we heard a shot fired. we hear the mob trying to break
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into doors now. we are being told to put on the gas mask. everybody was really scared. what is so amazing watching this is that while we were inside, we had no idea what was going on outside. we had no idea to see bannon, he had been premeditated and was talking about what trump was going to do to have this coup. >> well let me sort of have a granular question here, how are you getting data input from the outside? obviously, you have phones. maybe you don't. but you know staff on the call saying hey, [interpreter] this is what is happening. sharing data and interpretation, what's the actual moments or moment attempts to figure out what the heck is going on? >> you, now we were at the mercy of what information the capitol police gave. us we had no clue, a few of my colleagues were able and different locations were able to see the mobs outside. those of us sat in the
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recorders who are close to us had their videos on. most of us inside did not have any information other than what was given to us by the capitol police. they did not, no they were on the inside and knew they could not open the doors for us to get out. the mob was out there and then they had their grand strong. it was really a situation where it was totally uncertain and many of my colleagues were making you know, what they call death calls. it was not at all clear. very uncertain what would happen. it was in the, dark we did not really know, we just knew that this was miles outside, battering the doors to get in. being told to put on a gas mask and we had to await with the faith would be. >> so what is the sense then, having to relive this moment? through these hearings i mean, on the one hand it has to be incredibly traumatizing. and on the other hand, has to be a bit enraging right? you are getting new information
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about how this was sparked. or transpired, curious on what is the conversation been like with your colleagues as you have watched these hearings in that to relitigate and relive the terrible day? >> well, it is been tough for a lot of the people who are a part of the gallery group and a part of that particular, women who are trauma and their life. or my college while younger children were so, so afraid that they were going to leave their kids behind. so for all of us to experience than, even, now some are different. what is really helpful that lease for, me is to get the full picture of how much this was planned, plotted, executed, instigated and facilitated by donald trump. you know for a, while there was the sense and just a spontaneous mob that attacked. obviously, with january six commission showing no, no this was plotted, planned, organized
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and in the service of donald trump to overturn the election. it is good to know, that actually somewhat reassuring that this was not a spontaneous act by people who were in washington at that time. >> it is reassuring that the most powerful man in the country actually plotted it, not that was spontaneous. i actually wanted to ask you about something different. related to mike pence who came to the help this, week and according to reports, he met with house republican, lawmakers republican's committee, reports he got either you know spontaneous applause from members sir. for essentially doing his, job certifying and making sure that the election was certified. i am interested in this because, they wanted to let him know that they were grateful. i don't know if you feel like that show some short of change in attitude among the republican colleagues.
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or if they're just happens to make mike pence feel welcomed there. i am curious for how you think about how you republican colleagues are digesting all of this? what do you think there has been any sort of change and their perceptions of trump in the role he played? >> not enough, it reminds me a little bit of senator haaland. who's encouraging people there is fleeing. one in the mob, when he encouraged him to do. penn state's job, let's give him credit. 147 of my republican colleagues, after pence in his job, they did not do theirs. they essentially sided with trump. and what you see with many of my republican colleagues is that they are trying to appease the base, still not renouncing stopped ally. they are not supporting liz cheney. when they are doing though, and then they get an out a boy. when in fact it's time for them to do their duty, they did not. i don't give them a lot of credit for sharing pence who
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did the right thing. when they didn't. >> fair enough, all right democratic representative, are people watch the gray state of vermont. thank you very much. after the, break a front seat view of the former presidents action on january six. just with those missing secret service texts may reveal. coming up next. s may reveal s may reveal coming when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis persists... put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. when uc held me back... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc got the upper hand... check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and a chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check. check. and check.
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round of public hearings from the january 6th committee one of the most shocking revelations, and the most damning in terms of donald trump's intent, came from cassidy hutchinson, a former aide to the white house staff chief, mark meadows. at a surprise arranged hearing on june 28th, she was the star witness. hutchinson testified that a senior level staffer informed her of a heated exchange that took place in the presidential vehicle between then president trump's, and the head of the secret service detail, engines bobby engle. trump was told he could not join his riding supporters at the capitol. >> tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of, i mean, i am the president, taking up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm. he said, for, you need to take your hand off the steering
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wheel. we are going back to the west wing. >> that explosive testimony was bolstered at this week's hearing by two witnesses. one was a, quote, former white house employee with national security responsibilities, and their identity was kept secret due to fears of retaliation. the other is retired duty sees police officer robinson, he was part of the motorcade on january six. >> was there any description of what was occurring in the car? >> now, only that the president was upset and was adamant about going to the capital. it was a heated discussion about that. >> when you say he'd, it is that your word or is that the word that was described at the tee as -- >> that was by the tsa front. the president was upset. he was saying there was a
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heated argument or discussion about going to the capitol. >> about how many times in that motorcade with the president, would you say that happened? >> probably over 100 times. >> and not 100 times have you ever witnessed a mother discussions, or argument, with the president, where he was contradicting where he was supposed to go or what's the secret service said was safe? >> no. >> of course, one key piece of evidence that could help the committee unravels this story is the text messages sent and received by the secret service agents who were involved. the committee subpoenaed those records after learning, last week, that's the secret service has deleted text messages from january 5th and january six. it was part of a device replacement effort. that was after they were told by homeland security instructor general to preserve them.
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the secret service responded to a subpoena earlier this week saying they can only provide one single text exchange. even though the inspector general had asked for records from two dozen personnel. now, the inspector general has taken a dramatic step of declaring his investigations criminal, going so far as two demands of the secret service halted its own internal investigation into the deleted test. according to the new york times, the records being sought or mostly from people operationally involved, that's a quote, in january six including jumps trump's lead agent, the man at the center that explosive story, that hutchinson's about the president demanding to be taken to the capitol, that day. for more on this i'm joined by an nbc security national security -- and author of the book messing with it and emmy, surviving in the social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians, and fake news.
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clint, welcome to the program. thank you for joining us this morning. i appreciate it. let's start with the deleted text messages. how significant is this move from homeland security inspector general to say that he is now investigating the potential criminal activity and tell the secret service to stop its own investigation? >>,. it seems there would be other steps taken. the other part, i could be wrong, i would be surprised if they could not require for the messages on some phone. even when you do a rollover there are servers that host all the messages as a backup, or in between some kind of switch. you and i can go to our own cell phones today and look up our toll records. it has the number of titles, or
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text, or one number. you can then go to the phones and i would be highly shot of just the members of that detail only did text messages with just members on that detail. , meaning that was a small insular group. they also probably texted other people that did not have their phones rolled over. the last part, in situations like this you see the fbi and other investigative organizations bring in four runs a experts. they go to work and start mining. they may not recover all the messages. i would imagine they could recover some. the last thing you could do, you start interviewing people. hey, it looks like here, 24 texts. the one between you two guys. what were you talking about? that is another way to get to the bottom of this, i think, ultimately. >> i want to go more global here. obviously, it is quite important to have a credible secret service, right? does it have a credibility problem now? it's so, what should be done by the biden administration to fix
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it? >> i think it is always a challenge. when your secret service agent, you put your life on the line for the principle that you are guarding. you have a very tight relationship with that person overtime. i think there is a history of that's what the secret service. at the same point, this would be a deep violation. how many investigations have we seen of government text messages or emails over the last 5 to 10 years? they have dominated the news cycle. that was essential to getting the truth. we need to know what is going on. we need to know that the president is safe and the president is the commander-in-chief. i think that is the big thing that came out of the hearings this week on thursday night. who is in charge of the country for several of those hours there? it is pretty remarkable. the only people that would know are probably the secret service. the president is isolating himself from everyone else. he is not listening. guess who is still around. the secret service is there that day. >> i do not imagine these messages will find their way to anthony. leaders laptops, unlike last
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investigations, you never know. clint what, thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. do not go anywhere. there is still plenty more you need to know the saturday morning. breaking news out of ukraine. the state department confirming to more americans have been killed. all that, and more, coming up on velshi. right after a quick break. t after a quick break. age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein.
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for my friend the one, the only, ali velshi. it is saturday, july 23rd. we begin this hour with the latest fallout from another explosive public hearing from the january 6th elect committee. committee produced a meticulous and damaging account but donald trump did as a mob of his supporters, sent to the capitol on his command, violently stormed the building and threaten the lives of everybody inside. including his own vice president. during the 187 minutes between and trump spoke to the supporters, and the time we find it released a halfhearted video statement asking him to go home. really was not an official white house record of what the president was doing. as the committee revealed, or hour-long gaps in the presidential call logs and the presidential daily diary. the chief white house photographer was told not to take photos. some phone records to access from that timeframe, people trump was speaking with. this includes at least two calls with his personal attorney, rudy gi


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