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to former president trump's role in the capitol riot even noting a key editorial from the right-wing new york post which shares the same owner as fox slamming trump as unworthy to become president again. cheney also pushed back on a talking point that some republicans have been using to shift the focus on the law enforcement response to the riot. questioning house minority leader kevin mccarthy and placing the blame squarely on trump's role that day. >> it is an entire focus of the investigation, will you see in our report, you will likely see in upcoming hearings and so it is certainly something that we're very focused on. but what we aren't going to do, brett, is blame the capitol police, blame those in law enforcement for donald trump's armed mob that he sent to the capitol. kevin mccarthy decided not to participate in the committee that somehow the house of representatives cannot investigate the single worse attack on the united states
capitol since the war of 1812. >> meanwhile, the committee is debating whether or not to rerve the former president trump to the justice department for criminal prosecution. last hour we spoke with a member of the committee, congressman adam kinzinger who seemed open to that idea. >> i can't do the doj's job. as a nonlawyer, there is all kinds of threshold questions. but my belief is this. we never want to get to a position in a country where we prosecute last administrations because that is what failed republicans, failed democracies do. but if a failed coup and an obvious coup attempt and a president that didn't just choose not to act, but willfully watched to see where the mob would go for three hours on january 6, if he is not held accountable through law, i actually fear that that is a far worse president -- far worse
precedent, to make the determination, if they can and should indictment. if we just wash this under the rug and say for the sake of the country, let's put this aside, there is going to be somebody else, whether it is donald trump in 2024, or somebody else somewhere down the line that recognized that as the floor of their behavior and pushed even more and we can't survive that. >> that was congressman kinzinger last hour on "morning joe." now let's bring in capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. thanks for being with us. how likely is the committee to seen guinea thomas and what is the latest we just heard from adam kinzinger. >> reporter: in the same way that congressman is here as not a lawyer, i am too. but what i can tell you, it doesn't even matter that the committee refers or doesn't refer criminal contempt charges to the doj. the doj can do their own investigation. which is why we're seeing sort of this two-pronged pressure campaign from the committee. toying with the idea as they are
of potentially doing a criminal referral of donald trump once their work is wrapped up. but then also continuing to put the pressure on the department of justice to continue look into the things that committee has already put a public spotlight on throughout these eight hearings and we will likely hear more come september. my reporting is that we'll see two hearings in the fall and before that some kind of pre-final report that allows them to continue investigating because the important thing here is this is a committee we often talk about them being on the clock, they're on a midterm clock in that whatever happens in november has implications for whether or not their work could continue based on who holds control of congress. but at the same time, for them, whenever they issue their final report, they have to wrap up their committee work then within 30 days of that. so it behoved them to take this slowly and method logically and allow new information to come into them by being flexible by saying we're going to issue a
final report but they're not in any rush to do so. because they don't need to wrap up their own work. in terms of fact finding, they're looking for weeks, with guinea thomas, and they were asking her to come in and talk to them. they're hoping this could be voluntary, but also because it allows them to avoid the optics that the fact that her husband is a sitting supreme court justice despite she was talking with mark meadows and john eastman. there are multiple threads that connect ginny thomas, and there so there are clear questions she should have to answer for the committee but the optics are sticky between congress and the supreme court and i think the
committee would like to avoid that while still getting thences that they need. so again their in a break period technically from a hearing perspective but the fact-finding is still very much going on. >> ali, that is what i want to ask you about. you've been reporting on the committee since its inception. are they concerned they will lose momentum in the recess when it recedes from the public and not elevating the topic. >> maybe. but probably not. especially because what we've seen consistently is this ability for the committee, when they have real substantive information, and of course the thing that i'm thinking about is cassidy hutchinson with the emergency hearing that they popped up, is they're willing to put that information into the public eye when they're ready to do so. the fact that they're weighing subpoenas for not just ginny thomas, but they're still actively talking about whether or not they want to hear from the former vice president mike pence, or even the former president himself donald trump.
now, committee members that i've been talking to are clear there are different considerations both between of those men. as elaine luria told me last week, they're not sure that donald trump would come under oath and tell the truth. but with mike pence, because they've seen cooperation with his orbit, and that could be if, caveating if they decide to go that route. the fact that their deliberating big fish in the trump world is that the committee is still very much in the weeds on this work as they continue to bring in for interviews and other testimonies from people that are lower level staffers in trump world, that they had the former overstock ceo about the 2020 meeting that was bonkers and off the wall and that they teased out in the second to last hearing. so their still fact finding and deliberating. whether this month long break will disrupt the flow or the momentum, i don't think that is the point because they know when
people come back in the fall, this is going to put them at the start when people are starting to tune in and those of us who are campaign people, in the start of fall people start tuning in for campaign season. the fact that the hearings will start then as well, it makes it a campaign issue, too. >> campaign to be sure. one thing that will happen between now and the fall is that liz cheney will face a primary in her state. that is coming up in weeks. thank you so much for your reporting. former president trump and mike pence were both on the campaign trail in arizona on friday. but in a remarkable contrast they were there stumping for different candidates in the upcoming gubernatorial primary. >> the election was rigged and stolen and now our country is being systematically destroyed. i ran twice. i won twice. and did much better the second time than i did the first. >> for nose who want to make this election about the past.
democrats in this state want arizona to embrace the failed socialist polies advanced by the biden/harris administration. but arizonans knows that the future belongs to freedom. >> david sider was at the rally for the trump backed candidate on friday. he joins us now. and david, you report on this in a new piece which has the headline trump and spence squared off in the desert. it was one sided. you write in this part, this was billed as a split screen proxy war in the desert. donald trump versus mike pence in a midterm election skirmish that would provide an early indication about the future of the gop. it ended up more like a varsity jv scrimmage. the republican party landscape remains tilted sharply toward trump and those who came to watch the former president trump speak, seems to know it. and for them, pence, the old
establishment wing in the gop is in the past. to trump supporters it doesn't matter how much damage was inflicted on the state party during his tenure. republicans lost two senate seats and for the first time since 1996 but it was the prospect that he might run again that they were cheering when he arrived. we heard from the former vice president. he didn't mention trump by name, the critical of those living in the past. but that is all donald trump seems to be doing. the crowd ate it up. >> oh, definitely. i mean, this is a group of people, especially in arizona, republicans are not over the 20 election. and i think we build this as some kind of battle royal between the two. and there is clearly a argument going on, between the pences of the gop and trump and trumpism. this kind of more institutionalist wing of the party. but the real schism going on in the gop is between pro-democracy
republicans and these -- the trumpists who are looking back at 2020. and even if you look at the -- the contest in arizona over the weekend, i mean, consider the ads or the reason that robson, pence's endorsement is catching up to kari lake. it is out there saying that lake isn't conservative enough. so in that schism there is not an argument about 2020. i think that has been settled in the gop. >> so, eddie, as much as we at times look at polls and we see trumps numbers dip a little bit and those democrats or never trump type republicans say maybe there is say way to turn the page, this is a case study saying the exact opposite. >> it reminds me about this book by joan diddy and she said that americans have to think about
politics in mellow dramatic terms, we need the big villain and then vanish the villain and all will be well. but the problem isn't just trump. trump is like a kind of cipher, a representation of something that is much more disperse, much more kind of widely shared by a segment of the country. and this takes me to, you david. in terms of what you see, right. when we think about someone like rusty bowers in arizona, he can in some ways reveal this schism, the debate that is happening. this you just described. talk about what he in some ways signals in terms of this so-called debate between these two sides and how he reveals what is happening on the ground in arizona. >> well fact that he was censured last week by the republican party in the state. essentially kicked out. that is an indication of where the gop is in arizona. and it doesn't matter how
electorally damaging it is to the gop there. this devotion, i think, to like you said, it might not be the one man, it is trumpism, that is clearly what people are on the ground for. >> david, kari lake seems likely to persevere in this primary and so will be a general candidate, how is she going to fair in a general election. is this another example of a trump backed maga candidate who is going to face tough odds when it comes down to a general election? >> that is interesting. i don't think that democrats look at this race as, for example, the dga has not been pouring money in kari lake's campaign. one, because they don't need to. but it is not a case like maryland where the state is so democratic, that it made sense for the dga to put a lot of money behind the election conspiracy theorist who won there. that race may be instructive for what happens in the primary in
arizona and in the end it turns out that the trumpist candidate just, you know, carried it by a really wide margin. i think if kari lake wins she's competitive in arizona. this is a tight state and a very good year for republicans and i think it will be a competitive race but not one where republicans are -- or democrats rather are going to be celebrating if kari lake pulls through the primary. >> something we'll all have to grapple with again. we're in a new place with what is happening in the gop right now. politico david siders thank you forror reporting. let's turn to the white house, where officials say president biden is improving significantly after he tested positive for covid last week. joining us now, from the white house, nbc news chief white house correspondent kristen welker. what is the latest. how is the president doing? >> hi, jonathan. good to be with you. the president is doing well
according to white house officials. they are encouraged by his progress and given that his doctors say that the president's symptoms have improved significantly. they didn't release any new photos of him this weekend, they insist that he likely has the contagious ba.5 subvariant. >> president biden is starting the week in isolation, five days after testing positive for covid-19. on sunday the white house doctor writing in a letter, the president's symptoms continue to improve significantly. noting, quote, his predominant symptom now is sore throat, as his body clears the virus and is thus encouraging. president's cough and runny nose and body aches have diminished considerable. his lungs are clear though his voice remains deep. that was on display when the white house released a video of mr. biden working last friday.
>> let me start by apologizing. my voice. i'm much better than i sound. >> over the weekend the top medical visor dr. fauci stressed the president's health is heading in the right direction. >> the president continues to improven. he's putting in a full day of work virtually and as each day goes by he's doing fine. >> as for treatment, the white house doctors saying the president completed his third full dose of the anti-viral paxlovid on sunday. is taking tylenol and using an inhaler to an occasional cough. though he is not experiencing shortness of breath. the doctor unscoring the president is vaccinated and twice boosted. the white house has aimed to downplay concerns about the 79-year-old president's covid diagnosis releasing photos of him working although they did not release any new ones over the weekend. meanwhile, according to the white house, preliminary results show the president likely contracted the ba.5 variant which accounts for nearly 80% of
all new infections and has led to an increase in cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the u.s. >> what we're seeing is cases being high in the community but that not translating to the hospitals in crisis because there is so much immune in the population, from prior infection and vaccines and boosters. >> now the white house has identified 17 close contacts to the president including the vice president and first lady and jonathan, i spoke to their spokespersons over the weekend, both tested negative as of sunday. we'll stay on top of that. the white house has vowed transparency as the president continues to isolate and he does have his first public appearance virtually at 12:30 later today. >> and we'll also have a briefing with karine jean-pierre this afternoon. thank you so much. coming up here on "morning joe," the white house continues to tout low unemployment and falling gas prices. but with another fed interest
rate hike possible and gdp numbers coming later in week. could the administration lose control of the narrative and the economy itself at the same time. white house director of the national economic council brian deese will be our guest. he'll have thoughts on that. also ahead, two americans are confirmed killed in ukraine. as russia strikes a key port in odesa. we'll have the very latest from the ground. as well as congresswoman and former navy pilot mikie sherrill, who just returned from a trip to the region. that is next. we'll be right back. region that is next that is next we'll be right back.
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welcome back. russian missiles pounded the ukraine city of odesa over the weekend. the attack came just hours after kyiv and moscow agreed to resume grain exports from that port city. nbc news correspondent morgan chesky joins us now live from odesa. morgan, what is the latest there? >> reporter: yeah, jonathan, good morning. and coy tell you that the deputy
prime minister did not mince words saying that no deal, no agreement means anything when it comes to russia. and now this latest attack on this port town is causing real fears that it may be even more difficult to get the millions of tons of grains from this city to nations that desperately need it. all this in a war that now leaves two american families facing heartbreaking loss. fiery aftermath in the port city of odessa. from a russian missile strike. one day after the country signed a u.n. agreement promising safe passage for ships carrying viet an grain. about 20 million tons. sitting in port right now. the act russian claimed targeting a warship condemned worldwide and concern that the grain may go to rest. they called russia a terrorist state stressing their actions will cause famine and yet they
do it any way. >> 100 million tons of grain that could be shipped all over the world or if russia doesn't cooperate, could rot. >> translator: so they steal our grain, they destroy and they burn our fields. countries like egypt and lebanon for waiting for our grain to russia plunges the world into famine. >> reporter: to the east, ukrainian leadership said new rocket launchers from the u.s. called high mars are making a difference but the death toll only rises and not just in russia and ukraine. >> he didn't go there to be a hero. he was there to because he wanted to help people. >> reporter: kathy and george now mourning their son luke. a 31-year-old father and one of two americans confirmed killed in the donbas region. >> i think every time i talked to him. >> i told him, why don't you come home. >> he was marked unconscious by
a artillery blast and as other foreign fighters rushed to help, a russian tank opened fire. >> he couldn't leave until the rest of his friends, the rest of the battalion left with him. >> the front of lines finding war has no bounded. and back here in odesa, ukrainian officials to plan export of the grain as soon as tomorrow. but it is concern what is beneath the black sea. naval mines left behind by the militaries proven deadly for chrismans. one man killed last month swimming with his family just 20 yards off the beach. jonathan. >> morgan chesky live in odesa, thank you very much. joining us here on set, mikie sherrill of new jersey. she is a u.s. navy veteran and member of house armed services committee. and she visited kyiv over the
weekend. where she met with ukrainian president zelenskyy. let's start there. tell us about the meeting. how is zelenskyy holding up? >> we have the largest ukrainian american community in the nation so i passed on to president zelenskyy the pride our community has in the ukrainian people and their fight for freedom and democracy. we also discussed the fact that it is so necessary right now that we get them the munitions they need. so we haven't spent all of the appropriation we gave for the supplemental for the ukrainian people. we've got to get them long range weapons. not just so they could protect their own sovereignty, their freedom, their democracy, but also so they could protect the port, the sea lanes and get the 22 million tons of grain out to the world to end this food hunger crisis. >> so let's talk about that. that is become a real growing story here as ukraine, one of the world's real bread baskets,
and for a lot of the world and particularly portions of africa, and that food, that grain was not getting out. a deal was struck and then not even a day later the russians strike odesa. how much of a concern is this and is this a belief there is a beginning of a series of attacks to prevent food from where it is supposed to go. >> i was speaking to our ambassador in ukraine, speaking to prime ministers from the ukraine parliament and it really, or ministers in the ukraine parliament, it is inexplicable. and hours after and i was on the ground as the deal was struck and i could tell you the hope and relief that we could get this grain out of ukraine to the world, that we would be able to do that, and that there was a means forward here with turkey, with the u.n., to get russia to agree to that and then just hours later, after agreeing,
that there would be no retaliation, they send a missile into odessa. really shocking. one of our members of state department said to me, you know, never underestimate the ability of russia to disappoint. >> well and that is my question. so if this was about grain, this wasn't even about territory, this is about just feeding people around the world that are starving that this world is negatively impacted but the bombs didn't stop. so what sense did you get from president zelenskyy of the kind of reassurances he would need to negotiate seriously with vladimir putin to end the war. >>? well of course, the ukrainians were negotiating with the u.n. and with turkey to get this deal done. because they don't regard him as a good actor here and i think they proven correct in that
summation. it really, to see the situation on the ground, i traveled to bucha, i traveled to irpil. to see the disasters, the atrocities by the russian soefrmds trying to break the will of the ukrainian people. but i was in ukrainian a couple of weeks before the war started and my assessment at that time which remains true to this day, the will of the ukrainian people to fight for their democracy and the understanding of what they're up against and to protect their homes, to protect their future and their children is such a force multiplier that putin again and again and again continues to underestimate. >> do you think that the russian military, what are you hearing from classified briefings that you could -- what could you share about the strength and how they've been effected at this stage in the game of the war? >> well what i've been hearing is that the russian military,
the moral is low, they are really having a difficulty in getting the forces they need from the community. they've been pulling forces not from the middle class, not from the wealthier portion of society to try to keep the burden off of them. however, they really are having trouble getting the people they need on the ground in ukraine, moral is low. and i think right now is the time that we need to make sure we're getting weapons to ukraine, the long range weapons they need in the next three weeks. because as you heard early, again, what i heard on the ground, there will likely be a lull or a pause as winter comes into ukraine for both sides so we need to get them in the next three weeks, the weapons they need now to make a real impact. the high mars have been having an impact, but they need to take back the territory and as a former naval officer, protect the ports, protect the sea lanes
and get that grain out to the world. >> high mars does a real damage on russian supply chain over the border. thank you as always for being with us this morning. up next here on "morning joe," the administration keeps insisting we're not heading toward a recession. that could be true, especially since yesterday the treasury secretary seemed to adjust how we define just a recession is. we'll explain that next when "morning joe" comes right back. n "morning joe" comes right back ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card.
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or we're working to try to get a global price cap for russia's oil so we increase supply all of these steps are cron tributing as well. you could explain how the biden administration defines a recession and what are the economic indicators that the biden administration is looking at that would mean that we are getting in that territory. as making sure that middle class families would operate alife with dignity and have a little bit of economicwi breathing roo. that is true since the first day that he's been in office and we'veth a lot of progress on th score. when we look at recession, we leave the technical definition to the nbr. but we look at do we have a labor market where people could get better jobs with higher wages. are consumers continuing to spend and are businesses andge households continuing to invest. across all of those scores,
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it's 6:46 a.m. there there los angeles. here on "morning joe," it is promised made, promises kept. we'll learn the latest of elon musk. >> the tmz part of the program. there was a report in the "wall street journal" suggesting, saying aloud that elon musk hos broken the marriage of sergei brin, co-founder of google and had such detail about it, in suggesting that sergei, who was one ever his best friends used to crash at his pad all of the time, in the article he was at some event when he went down on
a knee saying he regretted and this wanted to apologize. now elon musk taking to twitter saying the whole thing is completely bunk and not true. and there is actually a tesla segue to this next story. as we look at elon musk's electric cars. >> he said i work crazy hours so there isn't much time for shenanigans. >> he gets more detail, but we'll let the folk at home that want to take to twitter and check it out. >> there is commentary about that. >> let's get back to the matter the hand here, gas prices, looking at electric vehicles including the company we're discussing. aaa shows that while customers are more open to electric cars, they still have concerns. now, general motors has launched a new information hub called ev live. and joining us now to discuss it, the president of gm, mark
reuss. thank you for being here. tell us, what is this hub? >> well good morning, john. and yes, thanks for the introduction. what we're doing here today at general motors, is actually creating a portal for our clufrts to be able to look at what it would look like to have an ev, number one in their garage, what it means for the friction points for electric vehicles. there is a lot of questions. charge points and the speed and all of that. so what we've done is we've set up a site, evlive.gm.com where you could see and learn about the charging system and our platform and the vehicles themselves like the lyric, the hummer, the bolt, the bolt euv, all of those vehicles that we have on the road now, and then as our pipeline launches, you'll get to see some of the new vehicles that we have like the blazer, the equinox, the hummer
suv that is coming towards the end of the year. we have a pipeline full of electric vehicles. so we want people to understand what it means to own an electric vehicle. our electric vehicles of course will present those. but also some of the questions that you have about home charging and charging on the freeway for instance. which this last couple of weeks we announced a program with pilot j and ev go, where we'll stall another 2,000 fast charges in rural highways of the united states which a lot of people like to take road trips and drive and this is a big enabler for them. >> so give us a quick sense, what kind of numbers are we talking about here. for a while now, americans and the idea of transition to electric vehicles seemingly grow more popular but with people doing that. what kind of sales are we seeing? >> it is a great question. because if you look at the industry running about 5% right now. and if you look at a survey of about 19 different countries,
that flipped to an electric vehicle adoption pretty quickly, you could see that 5% is really the turning point where people and countries begin to accelerate their purchasing of electric vehicles. and if we keep on this rate here, rate we will be about 25% by 2025. that's a lot more than what people and some of the thought is out there right now in the industry so we are on the way in this country and very exciting and gm pipeline is full of vehicles. we have the most available with the chevrolet bolt at $26,000. we'll launch the equinox this next year at $30,000 and the blazer is a performance model so we have a whole suite of things coming and a lot on the road right now. >> to bring the conversation back to elon musk and not the
tmz version with you but an announcement made i believe in the past week and a half, the blazer made in mexico. i raise that as an issue because for so long president biden stood side by side with mary barra praising the ev revolution and what general motors was doing. i thought that's because of the unions and making the cars in america and praising you over musk and tesla but what's the decision to do this in mexico? >> i can tell you that $35 billion of ev investment is in the united states and $7 billion in michigan so the cell plants whether it's in spring hill, tennessee, or lansing, michigan, along with the conversion, the facilities to do ev it is a
bigger picture. this is a facility in mexico that's electric and a retooling for that particular model but most is right here in the united states. billions of dollars. thousands of jobs that go along with that so a lot of jobs being created for the cell plants and the manufacturing sites so i would say 95 to 98% of the money is here in the united states and a lot is here in michigan. >> mark royce, thank you. up next, a state of emergency in california as an already massive wild fire doubles in size in 24 hours. we are back in two minutes. we are back in two minutes after riding twelve miles to nowhere, i'm taking a detour.
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stricken brush. it doubled in size in one day and the state's wildfire this year. national correspondent miguel almaguer has the latest. >> reporter: another wave of destruction. the oak fire doubling to 14,000, now the state's largest wild fire of the year. >> the fire gained overnight. >> reporter: hitting hard in mariposa, over 6,000 forced to evacuate as the governor declared a state of emergency. the billowing plumes of smoke are visible from outer space. these are the new sounds of summer. the crackling of bone dry brush the result of california's mega drought as temperatures keep rising. more than 2,000 firefighters
working around the clock to beat back flames but thousands of structures remain under threat. crews spread too thin. >> oh, this is horrible. >> reporter: rodney maguire lost it all. the home for generations gone with the collection of classic cars. all he has left is support from his neighbors. >> still haven't absorbed this. i've got another 50 messages and i've been trying to get my strength back to even read them. i just don't know. >> reporter: another small community overmatched by towers infernos hoping for a break from forces out of their control. >> heart breaking. nbc's miguel almaguer with that report. that does it for us this morning.
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