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america last year was gender clear. so, clearly, comic books are having an impact, that's why the right after them. andrew aydin, thank you so much for joining me this evening. >> so good to see you. i will come back again. >> definitely. that's tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts right now. definitely. that's tonight's>> tonight on a- >> we do not represent our movement. we do not represent our country, and if you broke the law, can't say that. >> new evidence about trump and january 7th. >> you know why he crossed that language out of the statement? >> i don't know. >> tonight, committee member elaine luria on the former presidents refusal to condemn the rioters of the capitol. plus, how mike pence's right-hand man just testified to a grand jury. how merrick garland is feeling the pressure, and how the republican party is fully
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embracing its worst impulses? when all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today, the general six committee released brand-new video, showing just how reluctant donald trump was to condemn the violent insurrection incited. now, remember of course it took trump hours to publicly denounced the violence, and tell them up to go home. three plus hours when he finally did so, he released this truly deranged video message from the rose garden. >> i know your pain. i know your hurt. we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. we have to have law and order. we have to respect our great people and law and order. we don't want anybody hurt. it's a very tough period of
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time. it's never been a time like this, where such a thing happened, where they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country. this was a fraudulent election but, we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace. so, go home, we love you. you are very special. you've seen what happens. you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. but go home, and go home in peace. >> now, obviously, that was very far from a condemnation of the violent insurrection, which left multiple people dead. it was a lot more like a coach getting his team up top, after losing a tough game. so, trump's advisers realized that that wasn't enough, that this, we love you, remember this day, go home, buckle. that's not gonna work. so, they got to work on drafting a new speech for him
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to deliver the next day. kind of like wipe the slate clean, like okay, here's the real condemnation this time. and last, week the generous committee released what essentially amounts to a blooper reel of that speech, the next day speech, the written speech on the teleprompter, where we saw trump even after his coup failed, refused to say, pointedly, the election was over. >> whenever you're ready, sir. >> i would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack yesterday. and to those who broke the law, you will pay. you do not represent our movement. you do not represent our country. and if you broke the law -- can't say that. i already said you will pay. the demonstrators who infiltrated the capitol have defied the seat of -- i can't see it very well.
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okay, i'll do this, i'm gonna do this. let's go. this election is now over. congress has certified the results -- i want to say the election is over. i just want to say, congress has certified the results. i don't to say the election is over, okay? >> now congress has certified -- >> i'm gonna go to the paragraph before. okay? i would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack yesterday -- yesterday is a hard word for me. >> heinous attack on our nation. >> take the words yesterday because it doesn't work with heinous attack. on our country, say on our country, when i say that? my only goal was to ensure the integrity of devote, the vote.
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my only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote -- -- >> so it was a big moment when the committee played that video last week. today, committee member luria released and new video, and this was for previously unseen testimony, we haven't seen before in any of the hearings, from some of trump's closest advisers, on just how hard trump resisted saying anything negative about the rioters. >> i'm not sure when those conversations began, because i could have started earlier the next morning, but i believe they started that evening on the evening of the six. >> we should give a statement on the seventh, that's what i told him. and obviously, move forward on transition. >> i sat with her. i spoke to mueller about trying to put together some draft remarks for january 7th, that we are gonna present to the president to try to say, we think it's important to further call for de-escalation. >> from what i understood at the time, and from what the
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reports were coming in but, there is a large concern of the 25th amendment potentially being invoked, and there are concerns about what would happen in the senate, if it was the 25th amendment was invoked. so, the primary reason that i had heard other than, you know, we do not know enough on the sixth, we need to get a stronger message out there and condemn this. this will be our legacy. there were second reasons about, think about what might happen in the final 15 days of your presidency, if we don't do this. there's already talks about invoking the 25th amendment. you need this as cover. >> do you recognize what this is? >> it looks like a copy of a draft, or the remarks for that. >> and as you can see throughout the document, there are lines crossed out. there are some words added in.
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do you recognize the handwriting? >> it looks like my father's handwriting. >> in my view, he needed to express very clearly that the people who committed violent acts and went into the capitol, did what they did, should be prosecuted, and should be arrested. >> it looks like, here, he crossed out that he was directing the department of justice to ensure a lawbreakers are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. we must send a clear message not with mercy but with justice. legal consequences must be swept in from. do you know why he wanted that crossed out? >> i don't know. >> and about the use of force -- they did not represent him or the -- its political views in
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any form or fashion. >> he also has crossed out, i want to be very clear, you do not represent me. you do not represent our movement. do you know why he crossed that language out of the statement? >> i don't know. >> can you describe a bit more about what mr. kushner was asking you to do? >> i don't remember if it was a video message or a speech was gonna give, or something, but i know people were deciding like what he should say, or what he should do. and then, he nuisance i'm always with him that, hey, if you ask me for your opinion, try to notch this along, this will help everything cool down. >> walking along with way? what does that mean? >> to make sure he delivers the speech, or whatever it was. i don't know if it was a video, or speech, or something. it was within a few days of after january 6th. >> as the implications of the president was in some ways reluctant to give that speech? >> yeah. >> okay, what do you base that
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on? >> the fact that somebody has to tell me to not get along. >> so, by all accounts from some of the people closest to donald trump, essentially that guy, that last guy is kind of his body man, with him all the time. he didn't want to say anything at all the day after the insurrection. now, of course, we knew that the ex presidents response in the wake of the sixth was negligent, irresponsible, dangerous. the committee has shown it was even worse than many you mentioned at the time, right? and while the next generous expiring isn't until september, we may see new information like this latest video, trickle out from members of the committee. just today, for example, committee member congressman kinzinger of illinois called my colleague andrea mitchell, the committees open to subpoenaing the wife of supreme court justice, clarence thomas, ginni thomas, for her role in blotting thomas tempted cool, cool. >> ginni thomas started on an interest. we have a few pieces of evidence that we have seen, and then it just grew particularly some of the eastern memos, those conversations reaching
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out to state electors. we want to have a voluntary conversation, you know, come in, she said i think somewhere in the media that she was eager to talk to the committee. that is it. the committee is saying, if we need a subpoena, we will. but we prefer to just find out what she knows. >> today, we also got some huge news, just in the last few hours. because we learned that mike pence's former chief of staff, marc short, testified before a grand jury in the department of justices separate probe into the insurrection last friday. short is perhaps the highest profile trump white house official who testified so far, at least as far as we are aware. the grand jury, also reportedly heard from pence's top legal adviser, a man by the name of greg jacob, who you may recognize who previously testified before the january six committee. he had a big sort of showdown with eastman, about pence's ability of unilaterally changing the election. their testimony signals the attorney general's investigation, and the department of justice investigation which has been quite unfolding in the background, and has further expanded its scope, from the
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actual insurrection itself, and the people that were in the building, to the plotting of the coup attempt. democratic congresswoman elaine luria of virginia sits on the january six committee, and joins me now. congresswoman, let me just start on that news. obviously, i know these are completely parallel tracks, and you have no special vision into whatever the department of justice is into. but given the fact that your investigation has made public the role of greg jacob in resisting the eastman legal theory, which would've essentially 100 american democracy. are you encouraged by the fact that short and jacob, high-ranking officials, have now given sworn testimony before a grand jury, through the doj? >> well, like you said, as the committee and select committee and congress, we have no direct knowledge or involvement in the investigations that are being carried out by the department of justice. but this goes much closer to the top than what we have
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previously seen, with you know, defendants who are accused of trespassing and violence and seditious conspiracy. i look at it like concentric circles. the department just feels like it's starting to be outside, and working their way in. just how far they worked their way in? we don't know, but this is certainly an indicator, they are ratcheting up the level of their investigation, and that is, you know, encroaching from outside perspective, of course, the committee continues on a separate track, as a congressional committee. >> to that separate track, this new testimony today, we hadn't seen this before. it was sort of a new method of delivering testimony from the committee. i thought it was quite interesting, particularly the sort of corroborating but testimony of people around the ex president, about his reluctance to get that general seventh address. how did this come about? why did you release it this way? >> well, there's so much that we've heard from witnesses, so much more of the story to tell. and over the course of eight hearings, you know, probably about 18 to 20 hours that we've
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had an opportunity to present information to the public, we are just not able to get everything into that. so this is really additional information that explains that speech on january 7th, the one where we show the president, who really couldn't bring himself to say the words, the election is over. but this gave additional detail, you know, what went into the speech. it's really enlightening to me, the parts that he crossed out, and we want to make sure that information, because it provides amplifying details on what we shared in the hearing. >> i want to also ask about the ginni thomas question, because there's been some new circulating on that, and some various committee members giving their thoughts. i want to show what the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney, had to say about ginni thomas yesterday. take a listen. >> the committee is engaged with our council. we certainly hope that she will agree to come in voluntarily. but the committee is fully prepared to contemplate to spin, if she does not. but now, i hope it doesn't get
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to that. i hope she will come in voluntarily we have certainly spoken with numbers of people, who are similarly situated in terms of the discussions that she was having, that you've mentioned. so, it's very important for us to speak with her, and as i said, i hope she will agree to do so, voluntarily. but i'm sure we will contemplate a subpoena if she want. >> congresswoman, do you share that desire to hear from ginni thomas, given what we know about her involvement in all of this? >> i do. and just like liz cheney said, she made indications that he was gonna come forward and talk to the committee. if necessary, to go to that step, we will issue a subpoena, so -- [inaudible] [inaudible i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i thought we lost you for a moment there,
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congresswoman. i guess, finally, the question is, where are things right now? i think there was a sense that you were gonna kind of wrap up things. that you had a very successful investigation. you talked to all these people, you got all these documents. the really wasn't a ton who had sort of invaded the grasp of the committee, steve bannon being a notable perception, of course, he is now facing sentencing for that evasion. but it also seems that a bunch of new things really happened, been uncovered, last 46 weeks. how do you characterize where the investigation stands right now? >> well, i would say that at the outset we came up with this framework by which we were gonna lay out the facts. as you saw, we did the eight hearings, after an extra one in there when breaking information came that we thought was urgent to get out to the public. before we started, these so many more people have been coming forward, we have received so much more information, just volumes and volumes of information. even more leads that we need to follow. what i will say with that is
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that the investigation itself is continuing to accelerate. in fact, [inaudible] really also focusing on our works of producing reports and the recommendations, which this committee prevents -- >> all right -- >> so much more information coming in [inaudible] >> congresswoman, elaine laureate, thank you so much for making some time for us tonight, i appreciate it. all eyes are on the apartment of justice, now merrick garland is apparently feeling the pressure to pick up the pace. a reporter who broke that story joins me next. get a dozen shrimp for only one dollar with any steak entrée. only at applebee's. hi! need new glasses? with any steak entrée. get 50% off a complete pair at visionworks! how can you see me squinti
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investigations into donald trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election is happening right now in fulton county, georgia. we know that letters were sent out to georgia republicans last week, letting them know they could be indicted for their role in the fake electors scheme. rudy giuliani, trump's personal lawyer, has been ordered to testify in front of that fulton county special grand jury next month. we also know that georgia republican governor brian kemp was scheduled to testify today before the same grand jury. we are now learning that that georgia investigation, along with the efforts of the january 6th committee, are putting the pressure on the department of justice. joining me now is new york times reporter who has been reporting on this, michael schmidt. michael, your piece was illuminating in a lot of ways, one of them, when i saw the
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georgia fulton county da was investigating the fake electors, i thought, well, we know the feds are looking into that too. that's the first place where we see some sort of fender gram overlap. what does that mean inside the justice department? >> well i think the question and issue that has arisen out of the hearings is that, why is that the congressional committee seems so far ahead and the prosecutor in atlanta seems so far ahead? it looks like some of that has to do with the methodical nature of the justice department. the justice department is one -- like a tank. takes a long time for them to move their gaze. but once they get on a target, they let go, in an effort to destroy it or get the bottom of it. but there has been a lot of frustration, i think, or misunderstanding about the justice department from, you know, folks on capitol hill. from average americans who are watching these hearings and saying, well, what's being done
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about this? why is it that we are hearing from this committee first about this? what has gone on? garland had to address this last week. he addressed it publicly. basically saying, you know, the gears of justice are the gears of justice that moves slowly. they move secretly. they are not down in public view. we are not gonna be out there publicly discussing this. the public had sort of been familiar with these investigations that have looked at high-profile people. the fbi confirmed that it was investigating hillary clinton back in 2015. the fbi director went before congress in 2017 to lay out to the public that they were investigating this. but they are trying to explain to the public why it is that there may not have been a lot of action that has been seen on this compared to the other investigations. >> so you're right about these two lines of inquiry that we can glean from the publicly available information that we have. they are not making stations,
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penis, search warrants, things like that. subpoenas and search warrants, the department is made it clear that it's to pursuing at least two related lines of inquiry that could lead to mr. trump. one centers on those so-called fake electors. the other lines of justice department query centered on the effort by a trump era justice department official, jeffrey clark, to pressure georgia officials not to certify the states election results. now today, we get this news which strikes me as an honest news, that marc short and greg jacobs, to individually testified to the committee and very high ranking, the highest ranking, you know, people in pence world, essentially. they went before a federal grand jury on friday. how significant is that to you, do you think? >> -- i think very significant. because it starts to answer the question, what's the justice department doing? >> right. >> justice department is investigating what went on in the lead up to january 6th. so incessantly they want to talk to the two people who were directly advising the vice president. we are not just helping council
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him, but we're winces to the instances in which johnny eastman and donald trump were trying to pressure mike pence to take the certification into their own hands. they were witnesses to that. they saw that. they know what was going on. they can provide detailed insider firsthand accounts of what, of how pence was responding as trump and eastman were giving this bogus legal, you know, stuff about how he could get the certification. either send it back to the states or, you know, pick trump as the next president. that is a significant move forward, because it shows that the departments investigation has moved into the tier of people who were directly around trump in the scary period of time. >> right. >> yeah, i was -- those folks going to talk to a grand jury. they are not doing it for their health, that is not an early in
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the investigation kind of thing. that is, you are bringing them there because you want to get something out of them. you also note this about fani willis, the fulton county da, you notice the -- snow into play here, but what it means to the justice department and others that this investigation is happening. she is, you know, sent the starry letter to those fake electors, including a state senator named brett jones. the republican candidate for lieutenant governor of georgia. he could face indictment on monday. a judge in spirit court barred her from pursuing a case against mr. johns because she had headlined a june fund-raiser for her democratic rival -- one of 16 pro trump alternate electors in georgia. i thought that is interesting, just because obviously fani willis is a more easier political target i would imagine for people that want to defend trump, and perhaps the department of justice might be as these investigations go
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forward? >> look, being a local prosecutor is just a different thing then being a u.s. attorney or working out of the justice department in washington. you know, at times, a lot of local prosecutors are elected and, you know, folks of the justice department are appointed or their career prosecutors. so, it's just, there are different sort of. you know, issues that local prosecutors have to come into because they are more receptive to their local community. a judge down in atlanta had criticized her for doing so many interviews on television about this investigation. there are less restrictions on local prosecutors about how much they can talk and go on about this stuff. it just sets up a different thing. it just shows their investigation looks really like it's moving ahead. there's also a lot of news but
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>> when you talk about the absolute superstars of the conservative movement right now, the fact that ted cruz is one of them, well, that's how the podcaster from texas was introduced at the big turning point usa festival of their genes awesomeness this weekend. amid all the loud music, of, course donald trump influence can be felt merely everywhere. this conservative conference. despite a lot of recent talk about the ex president starting to lose his grip on the republican party. you've probably seen some of these headlines. and i have to say, i do think there's some truth to that. back in 2016, the thing that made donald trump truly unique in the republican party was that he was just an enormous jerk all the time. no one else was doing that. the base ate it up. >> so, i'm looking at little bank when i say, man, there's something happening with him. and he is like melting. >> how about, cruz, lying dead. he's a liar. >> i see rick perry the other
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day, and he's so, you know, he's doing very poorly in the polls. he put glasses on so people think he's smart. and it just doesn't work. and i'm watching these guys like jeb, low energy jeb bush. your father clearly asleep looking at him. >>, now politicians generally, in the time that i've covered politics, not all of them, but most, they just tried not to be jerks, like the goal was to get as many people to vote for you as possible. people who find you likable and electable. and so, at first, i think people in the profession republican politics could not get their hands around the idea that this could be a successful method. but it worked for donald trump, obviously. and now, it's basically become like the core rule of the movement, can be antisocial, or being a troll, troll conservatism is conservatism more or less, and that is on full display at turning point usa's preposterous light show. >> i talked to a student
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recently in one of our woke college campuses, and she had said she's required in every class to introduce herself. and to give her pronouns. well, i am ted cruz and my pronoun is kiss my ass. >> have you watched these pro abortion, pro murder rallies? the people are just disgusting! like, why is it that the woman with the least likelihood of getting pregnant, are the ones most worried about having abortions? nobody wants to impregnate you, if you look like a thumb! >>, now it's worth noting, the congressman there, talking about women's, looks under investigation by the justice department, the fbi, we believe, reportedly, for allegedly paying for sex with a minor. now, perhaps, the long republican was found success by moving a little bit away from the trump method, or at least doing it with a certain touches
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of governor ron desantis. and look, his policies are terrible, and really dangerous, as governor of florida. but he also says things that a savvy politician might say, rather than calling woman who support abortion rights, ugly, he stares up, cares to present a lighter more insidious touch. >> i will have math books sent to my department of education for reviewing these textbooks. and they will do things like woke matt. and i'm thinking to myself, to plus two equals four. it's not two-plus-two, well, let's have a struggle session over that, how do you feel about it. now, there is a right answer here, and it's not about injecting ideology in the concepts like matt's. so what we do with the department of education is we sent the books back. these textbook companies and no other choice, but to take the woke out, and send us back normal math books. and so, we are winning. >> of course, the question is
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whether the base not once yet run desantis is offering, or what donald trump is? civil rights cheryl eiffel summed up very well this sort of desire, i think you see it on display with matt gaetz and others, that what donald trump offered was the freedom to be your worst self, and it turns out, many americans have been waiting for that opportunity. i've been thinking about that, although many in the party are not copying him, trump is the founder of that particular style of conservative politics, at least in this era. but lately, the ex president seems to be so caught up in his own grievances. he's lost a bit of his ability to successfully pander to his supporters grievances. we saw how this resulted at the turning point usa conference. the trump applause lineup wasn't right after this. p applause lineu wasn't right after this.
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without ever wondering if you're getting the most out of your trip. because you are. >> the cracks and all of trump 's iron grip over republican party were visible this weekend, when this line, beauty intended to rile up the crowd of conservative turning point usa conference, was instead met with crickets. >> a friend of mine recently said that i was the most persecuted person in the history of our country, me, the most persecuted. i never thought of that. i never had time. i was always fighting with these people that we're trying to persecute me. i didn't have time to think about being persecuted because i was fighting persecution. >> just no reaction whatsoever from the crowd, to the ex presidents winning their. so, as donald trump's grievance politics become too self absorbed for his base, tim
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miller as a former rnc spokesman, author of why we did it: a traveler from the public and road to hell. and he joins me now. i thought that moment in cats encapsulated a lot. and you've seen it borne out in some of focus groups, some of the polling as well. like, it's one thing if it's your grievances his into. and it's another, not just his own grievances. and it does seem a little bit of a distinction there. >> yeah, and this was always something that it's like, this battle within donald trump himself. this isn't the person that you got a little wrapped around the acts on his own complaints, and winding out of the trail. he always was good at reading the crowd, some, a lot of times, we recognize that the crowd like some of his most deplorable tricks, and then continue to promote them. that's how we got the muslim ban, for example. look, the focus groups on this, these are data points, and it's showing that it's possible that he is losing the excitement level with the crowd. but we've all been here before.
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the question is, can he run it back in with his back on the trail? >> well, what do you think about this idea, like, this sort of license to be your worst south, the kind of thrill or liberty of it? -- about that being sort of key aspect of the authoritarian appeal. as someone who sort of saw this up close, what do you think? >> yeah, that was a triggering segment earlier of the 2016 insult, that i had to live through. but i do think it's real. and i think that it's having a long-term impact on the culture. look, i have -- and when i try to do is nothing antidote to this, because a lot of the content that they're getting now, teens on the right, it's just a strolling, the cruelty, the meanness. and whatever you thought about the count of republicans of yesteryear, we weren't perfect. there's this massive cultural shift that i think is happening now within the party. you are seeing it and how the politicians are acting. this is what you talked about. but also, in the staff level, you know, the kinds of treatment of the media, the
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kinds of treatment of enemies that you see, you know, the sort of trolling. the text of people that want a job working for republican politicians. itself selection, and i really think that there is, even if trump were to disappear tomorrow, this aliment, this pernicious element of his attitude isn't going away. >> yeah, i think it's right, and i think there's a few things. i think a, it's self selecting, instructing people who are like that, who relish in being this way. to republican politics, to four staff jobs are training jobs. but usually, there's a kind of check on this, right? which is, again, the reason that they were shock jocks, when we were growing up, we're not who are different than u.s. senator, is that they had different sets of senators. like, senators have to get elected. we have to get people listening to them, and because of the kind of polarization, because of the sort of, oh, it's a plus eight, plus nine states like ohio. j.d. vance thinks, i could run as a shock jocks. blake masterson arizona. this idea that you can, that
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buying into this doesn't exist anymore. yeah, we can do a whole symposium on this. but also, part of it is that people don't feel like they are getting anything from washington. the response to this, another thing we learn from these focus groups that senators are different from governors. people think their governors are being responsive to him. i would say republican focus groups are like, i really think marjorie taylor greene and matt gates are in the ones doing their job because they are fighting. i see them on tv. they don't believe or even care whether people in washington actually deliver results for them. so, i think that disconnect between what we are seeing in local politics and washington is really evident. >> yeah, and that distinction between how governors are doing and how senators are doing. if you look at mike dewine in ohio, right, the way he is trying to be a republican politician versus j.d. vance. it is really quite different. i wonder how much, you know, how much the mike dewine model can hang on when the rising
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tide is clearly the marjorie taylor greene's and matt gates is. >> i'm pretty skeptical of that. larry hogan, the most popular governor in america, his handpicked assessor, a moderate republican gets beaten by an absolutely insane qanon person. and a primary. the republicans just give away the governorship of maryland because that is a bottom-up thing. this is with the team usa team wants, the primary voters want that as well. >> yeah, yeah. never underestimate demand. demand side pushes. when you look at something and you say, this seems bad, lots of demand for. it tim miller, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. >> still ahead, why the top pro israel lobbying group is just pouring money into democratic primary races. including one to defeat a jewish member of congress! what is going on in michigan, next? next next and his a1c? ron is on it.
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"the rachel maddow show". now what's fascinating here is that levin is from arguably one of the best well-known democratic shows in the division. the uncle was the late six-term senator carl levin, his father former congressman sander levin who represented part of the detroit metro area for more than threetr decades. the american-israel public
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affairsth committee known as ap is spending an enormous amount of money from a sort money super pac against levin who also happens to be one of only 27 jewish members in the house. apac has spent more than $3 supporting congressman th levin's opponent in a race for the two candidates combined which have raised just over $7 million so this is a huge, huge, huge thumb on the scale in that race. last night levin spoke to my colleague med hi hasan about why a top israel lobby group is going after it. >> you are jewish. why is a pro-israel lobby group using a superpac and dark money to try and defeat you in a democratic primary? >> i'm not just jewish, med hi. i'm one of two former synagogue presidents in the congress along with senator jackie rosen. i've got -- i've got it on all
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my doors. i'm really jury. apac can't stand the idea that i am the clearest, strongest jewisham voice in congress standing for a simple proposition, that ssthere's no y topr have a secure democratic homeland for the jewish people unless we achieve the political and human rights of the palestinian people. >> this -- all that ad money seems to be paying off. new congressman has congressman levin an incumbent, well down in the polls by 27 points with just over a week in the election. peter binary is the editor-at-large for "jewish currents" where he writes what apac and itse allies have recognized is not just the power of immense campaign spending but the power of immense campaign spending in the democratic primaries. he joins me now. peter, what's going on here? >> ir, think what happened is tt in 2019 a group of members of congress, aoc, rashida talib and ilhanc, omar came in and represented a shift in public
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opinion. the polling is very clear. younger democrats are much more sympathetic to palestinian rights than older democrats, and the democratic party in congress is out of touch with where actual democrats now are on the issue, and so apac saw a danger, a danger that actually the democrats in congress might start to represent what most democrats out there in the country believe is that the u.s. should not give unconditional military aid to israel i respective what have it does, even it demolishes home and aipac decided a massive infusion of money into democratic primaries would keep the democrats in congress not being receptive to the public opinion of actual democrats in the country. >> so i just want to be clear. it's not just this race, right? andyth levin and haily stevens, it's been a bunch of races. most recently donna edwards running in maryland, and here you've got, you know, this united democracy project which i guess is the super pac and the
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amount of money they are spenting like $4.26 million opposing donna edwards, $3.7 million in all other spending. they come in and in many of the races they are the single biggest source of ad money and ad spending in that urrace, and it's -- it has a -- a pretty big effect, it looks like. >> a massive effect. i think in the maryland race, both donna edward and her opponent directly spent less than $1po million. aipac spent almost $6 million so that has a big impact in a house race, and it's not just aipac. what you're seeing in some of thesewh races is that when aipa goes after a progressive candidate because they have some sympathy for palestinian human rights, then you tend to see other groups that also don't like progressives, not because of israel-palestine but because they think they might be too tough on the fossil fuel industry or the health care industry, and they pour in their
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money as well and so what you have is essentially the creation of a whole new generation of joe manchins and kirsten sinema's in the democratic caucus. >> this is the way it works now, post-sit sens united, limited spending from super pacs and the contusion as read by the conservative court is that this is part of the first amendment. what's also striking to me here is there's a "new york times" times one this that was pretty good. it was democratic primaries embroiled in aod debate over israel.of i thought it was a misstated thing. what's so hard here, in at least the races i've covered, jess casse ramos and henry cuellar down in texas, the vast majority of i spending hasn't been anythg about israel or s palestine or anything. it's not like they are coming in and saying,ouyt look, andy levi critical of israel. haily stevens is a more stalwart ally. vote for haily stevens. they generally don't even mention israel. >> right. they don't actually want to have a debate about israel/palestine,
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probably because it's not being voted on and the public opinion ison very clear is that aipac's view which is no matter what israel does the u.s. will give it a blank check is a very unpopular view among democrat. they find a generic poll-tested issue and basically buy up all thed advertising to try to destroy the person on that issue, and it's fundamentally because they don't want an open debate of israel/palestine because they know that aipac is not where most democrats in the country are on that issue. >> i misspoke. jessica cisneros, not ramos down in the rio grand valley who lost that very closely contested primary. what do you think -- i mean, where's the money coming from is the other question, right? i mean, you've got huge -- i mean, there's a huge check being written. >> yes. >> some of it gets disclosed later on, but my sense is that ironically enough in these races where they run ads saying so and so iswh not a real democrat, th
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super pac will run an ad. the money will come from people themselves who are not democrats. >> some of thee biggest donors are republicans. in fact, they lead republican institutions. the head of the manhattan institute which is a very prominent kind of right-leaning think tank which basically supports ale very conservative agenda gave a aipac super pac $ million, for instance, so, right. aipac really does not care whether democrats or republicans win. they simply want people who will support israel unconditionally to win, but those people by and large are also less likely to take a progressive stance on other issues, because if you don't basically believe in the idea of equality under the law for palestinians, you're less likely to actually believe in the united states t either. >> all right. peter a piece about this in "jewish currents" continues to
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be the case. we'll continue to watch the haily stevens and andy levin primary where this continues to play outev as well. thanks a lot. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" on this monday fright. "the rachel mad do you show" starts right now. >> have you ever heard of a man named gerald l.k. smith? if you haven't, you're forgiven. he's no longer a famous figure, but in his day he was a famousish guy, a preacher and political figure.fa at one point he ran for senate in michigan as a republican. in 1944 he ran for president against fdr. he ran on the ticket of the america first party which he had founded. gerald l.k. smith did not get far with that presidential bid or with the michigan senate bid as a republican either. if gerald l.k. smith is remembered for anything today, it's probablyre mostly for this. this is a statue that he erected in arkansas in the 1960