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we begin with new details about the justice department's probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. nbc news has confirmed the "washington post" reporting which cites four people familiar with the matter that federal prosecutors have turned their attention to donald trump himself. the post reported two top aides to former vice president mike pence were asked before the grand jury about their conversations with trump, his lawyers and others in his circle, joining the scheme to replace certified biden electors with the former president's allies. according to the post, prosecutors have asked hours of detailed questions about meetings trump led in december of 2020 and january of 2021 about his pressure campaign on pence to overturn the election and about the instructions trump gave his lawyers and advisors about fake electors and sending electors back to the states. two sources tell the post the department of justice has phone records of key officials and
aides in the trump administration including former chief of staff mark meadows. a spokesman for trump did not immediately respond to request for comment. attorney general garland sat down for a rare and exclusive interview with nbc's lester holt and defended the justice department against criticism it is working slower than the house select committee's investigation into january 6th. >> look, the justice department has been doing the most wide-ranging investigation in its history, and the committee is doing an enormously wide-ranging investigation as well. it is inevitable that there will be things that they found before we have found them, and it's inevitable that there will be
things we find that they haven't found. the justice department has from the beginning been moving urgently to learn everything we can about this period and to bring to justice everybody who is criminally responsible for interfering with the peaceful transfer of power. >> you said in no uncertain terms the other day that no one is above the law. >> yeah. >> that said, the indictment of a former president, of a perhaps candidate for president would arguably tear the country apart. is that your concern as you make your decision down the road here? do you have to think about things like that? >> we pursue justice without fear or favor. we intend to hold everyone, anyone who is criminally responsible for the events surrounding january 6th, for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another,
accountable. that's what we do. we don't pay any attention to other issues with respect to that. >> if donald trump were to become a candidate for president again, that would not change your schedule or how you move forward or don't move forward? >> i'll say again that we will hold accountable anyone who was criminally responsible for attempting to interfere with the legitimate, law transfer of power from one administration to the next. >> let's bring in ryan riley and walter isaacson. ryan, i want to begin with you. on the one hand, it's not surprising that the justice department is focused on donald trump. after all we know that he's at the center of everything. it's clear the attorney general wanted to come out publicly and say we are looking at donald trump and we are not afraid to go after a former president who
may, in fact, run for president again. >> news that a grand jury is investigating a former president's action. interestingly walking out of the courtroom the same time we had steve bannon's guilty plea come back. two events colliding at the courthouse. this is a significant development. merrick garland is very careful with his language and wants to stay within the bounds of what you're allowed to say about an ongoing criminal probe. he did change his language in his interview. i think he adopted and went from this idea of this being solely about january 6th itself, to this investigation being about the peaceful transfer of power, which is a much wider thing than just those 24 hours around january 6th itself. this is much wider spanning than
that. looking at the president's actions here, gosh, as big of a move as you can imagine for any justice department. >> we as a nation have never seen a witness to what we're seeing and witnessing nearly every day now with this investigation. the attorney general, predictably, avoided answering the question of what happens internally in this country if a former president of the united states is indicted and perhaps even indicted as a candidate again. what do you think the tone and tenor of this country, especially among the fanatical zealotry among his supporters, what would happen if he were indicted? >> trump has fervent support.
as merrick garland said, that shouldn't count towards whether you may or may not indict somebody. we're very lucky to have merrick garland there. he's a person of deep integrity. he is wise and sedate. he's not going to be swayed in any way. but, yes, it would totally tear our country apart if there was an indictment by one administration of somebody who was the previous president and might be running again. i don't know if that's an argument not to do it. probably isn't, as merrick garland said, an argument not to indict him. but it's going to be unprecedented if this happens. >> ryan, give us a little more of what you've learned from your source in the department of justice as to which threads they're pulling here. trump is the boldfaced name. an indictment of him would potentially change the country that very moment.
but there's a lot in his inner circle at risk as well. tell us about them, what sort of jeopardy they face. >> we know who has pleaded the fifth for example before the january 6th committee to avoid incriminating themselves. there's certainly a lot of individuals who have a lot more direct exposure at the moment than donald trump just based on e-mails and records and receipts that doj has about all of this plot essentially to overturn the election. so there's a lot of exposure. one thing that the folks inside the justice department are a little bit concerned about are just resources, because this is, as merrick garland has said, the widest investigation in the department of justice and fbi history. it doesn't necessarily have the resources to match. there's a lot of piecing together budgets from various parts of the department to prop up this investigation. it doesn't have the line items
necessarily that it needs to move forward, especially not only do you have this investigation and this grand jury investigation at this high level unfolding, but you have hundreds of cases against these individuals who physically stormed the u.s. capitol with hundreds more to come. we're in the 850 range right now, but the total number of people who entered the capitol is upwards of 2500. online sleuths have already identified hundreds of individuals who the yet arrested. the fbi has their flames but doesn't have necessarily the pipeline open to bring those cases through. there's concern about jamming up the fbi, jamming up the justice department and the court system here in d.c. with those cases. it's an overwhelming investigation. it's not just as simple as churning these things through, but they have to move these cases forward in order to hope to get to all the individuals who committed crimes on january
6th. >> is there any potential or pathway of going to a special prosecutor, of merrick garland saying there's got to be something else who takes this over, somebody who's not part of the administration? >> i don't see that at the moment. i think that's because of merrick garland's background. this is an individual who is not this partisan hack. he's been in the court system a very long time, has a stellar reputation, had a bipartisan vote which is rare these days for his confirmation. he's not a partisan warrior. he's a kind of middle of the road guy. obviously that enrages a lot of people about the way he's handled this investigation because he isn't coming out and sort of just condemning donald trump. he's trying to stay within the bounds of doj. he cares very much about the justice department as an institution. he cares about the court system
as an institution. i think that's he has his eyes on that sort of long-term reputation of doj and the federal court system. >> ryan, you mentioned all the cases out there against the people who attacked the capitol. there was a conviction yesterday of a washington, d.c. man who violently assaulted police officers at the capitol on january 6th. he was sentenced to more than five years in prison. five years to mark ponder, who pleaded guilty, said the day got out of hand. he showed up for a rally and it got out of control. the court said that's all well and good, but go to jail for more than five years. >> ponder was one of a handful of d.c. residents who joined the mob. he's sentenced to more than five years behind bars, the longest
sentence we've seen thus far. ponder echoed donald trump's rhetoric about the 2020 election. he wondered why william barr hasn't done more and stepped in. i spoke with one of the officers ponder assaulted that day. he of the capitol police testified before the january 6th committee and has been present for many hearings. he delivered a victim impact statement in court. quote, i'm not a vindictive person. i forgive him. but i won't forget what his actions did. instead of getting ready for a promotion in my police work, i need to look beyond what i'm going to do after police work. i'm at peace with myself and hope he gets all the help he needs and comes back as a better person. >> sergeant gunnel said a doctor told him he's got to quit the
police force because of his injuries that day. ryan riley, good to see you. former president trump returned to washington for the first time since he left the white house yesterday. at the summit he spoke about law and order a bit, but spent a lot of his time repeating lies about 2020 election fraud. >> i ran the first time and i won. then i ran a second time and i did much better. we got millions and millions more votes. and you know what, that's going to be a story for a long time, what a disgrace it was. but we may just have to do it again. >> while former president trump continued to look backward at his event there, former vice president mike pence also was in washington about a mile up the road delivering a different message about the future. >> i don't know that our movement is that divided. i don't know that the president and i differ on issues.
but we may differ on focus. i truly do believe that elections are about the future. it is absolutely essential at a time when so many americans are hurting, so many families are struggling that we don't give way to the temptation to look back. >> joining us now nbc news washington correspondent yamiche alcindor. they're both at different marriott hotels less than a mile away giving very different speeches, extraordinary because of the way things have gone since they were last in washington, with mike pence breaking from donald trump as he did his job that day on january 6th, an unforgivable sin in the eyes of donald trump. >> certainly. it was quite the split screen yesterday in washington. you saw what the republican
party wants to tell itself it wants to be, which is mike pence talking about policy, inflation and the future, and what the republican party actually is, which is the party of trump. trump talked about america being a cesspool and talked about our streets being lined with needles, a lot of hyperbole when it comes to the crime rate. there were a lot of people in the room who really liked that part of the speech. the part of the speech that animated the crowd -- and i should note this is the leader leadership of the republican party. this is a group that was formed from people that were former trump administration officials. some people are actually anti-trump. they don't like the president, they don't like his brash style and the lies, but this was a group that got most animated when former president trump was once again spewing election
lies, saying he won the 2020 election, calling the january 6th committee unfair and their work was about damaging him politically. that is when he got a standing ovation. when he was talking about policy, people were clapping politely. but when he started talking about the election and the conspiracy theories, people started standing up and cheering in a way that i hadn't seen before. cultural issues were very popular in that room. former president trump went on a long rant about transgender americans. he used trans phobic language. he was talking about transgender women competing in sports, saying they were men trying to compete with women. when you saw the belly of the best, the donor class, the people setting the policy agenda were also most excited about lies. that really sticks with me because a lot of times you talk about throwing red meat to the base, but this was the part of the party that might have
possibly been choosing the next nominee before it became about rallies and big crowds. they too are very much into the lies that president trump is continuing to spew. >> walter, i remember you saying to me the thing about america that people always have spoken about to me particularly when i first came here is the way you get elected in america is by being optimistic and looking forward. ronald reagan was always hailed at the great example of that. when i listened to donald trump last night, some of his rallies he's sort of a funny show in a way. last night was dour. he sounded ground down almost. his face was grim faced. there wasn't either any optimism or much of a show about it. when we see the polls that suggest more republicans support the republican party than
support donald trump, do you get a sense of some candidate who is still generating the same kind of enthusiasm that he used to generate at those big rallies he held before, or did there seem to be a difference in style? >> i've been covering a lot of trump rallies and covered him for years now. he sort of had the same enthusiasm that he's had before. that's not to say people are not exhausted by the lies. i talked to a lot of people in that room that would tell me off the record that they didn't want the president to continue to talk about 2020 election, that the republican party needs to move on. people in that room were most excited about him talking about sort of the things that are wrong with our democracy and calling at one point the 2020 election corrupt, which of course is not true. we know the election was decided fairly. really trump is the name that continues to come up as the most popular candidate for possibly 2024.
and the president kept on hinting at the fact that he might run saying, maybe i'll run again. we might not have any choice, he said, in terms of running again. in some ways while the republican party and this class of republican leadership wants to say they want to look forward, they're still supporting a possible candidate and former president that is issuing dark statements. that speech reminded me a lot of the american carnage inauguration speech. president trump was talking about wastelands across the country, talking about cesspools and immigration as an invasion, dark language, but language that has worked for the former president. >> i had the same thought. it was like the american carnage speech. president biden responding to those law and order comments by former president trump yesterday, tweeting this.
call me old fashioned, but i don't think inciting a mob that attacks a police officer is respect for the law. you can't be pro-insurrection or pro-cop or pro-american. still ahead this morning on "morning joe," we are just hours away from the fed's major announcement on interest rates. andrew ross sorkin joins us. and later, record rain leads to deadly floods in missouri. we'll have thelatest. we'll have the laetlatest
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yesterday. i saw that news yesterday of donald trump back in washington for the first time since he left back in january of 2021 and also this breaking story from the "washington post" that the department of justice is focused now on donald trump. it all dovetails with your book and what we're seeing from the january 6th committee, which is to say this was a premeditated effort. this was not a spontaneous rally and the big lie was concocted for years. in september of 2020 you point out the president said at a press briefing we're going to have to see happens when asked if he was going to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. >> the seed of the big lie were planted way back in 2016 in some ways, but it obviously accelerates in 2020. reflect back to where things today at the end of february in
2020. then-president trump was heading to india for a trip that was long on pageantry and short on substance. he began that week thinking he was going to run for reelection. he'd just been acquitted from his first impeachment. he thought he was going to run against a socialist, because at that point bernie sanders had done well in the democratic primaries. as the book details, it all fell apart that week. it was there in india where he had to address the ravages of the coronavirus pandemic and the impact it was having on the economy. wall street fell over a thousand points in a day. by the end of that week joe biden had won the south carolina primary. his two main arguments for reelection vanished. as the year went on he pointed to mail-in ballots as a source of voter fraud. on election night he declared he
won when he didn't. we saw what happened the following two months to january 6th. >> it's not just about the 2020 election. the big lie has become a political philosophy that has divided america in half, those who believe in it and those who don't, pretty much along party lines, but not totally. how much is this about not just the 2020 election, the people who believe in democracy versus a new authoritarian approach? >> in many ways it's the defining issue of our time in terms of our politics. there are news of the day concerns like inflation and existential issues like roe v wade or the war in ukraine. the big lie, whether you believe it or not, is a dividing line in the republican party.
there are very few on the side that aren't willing to go along with it. if you want former president trump's support, you better have fealty to the big lie. then there's the other side, democrats and a handful of republicans who are concerned the big lie has challenged the very fabric of our democracy and put at risk fair and free elections in the midterms and particularly in 2024. >> there are so many newsy nuggets in your book "the big lie." one of the most interesting was in helsinki, fiona hill faked a heart attack against what donald trump was doing internally. faking a heart attack.
that nugget alone is the tease for all the other little newsy nuggets you've incorporated into this book. >> i've alerted the staff at the venue tonight to have paramedics on hand to call your bluff if you do try to fake a heart attack. fiona hill was in the administration, in part, to try to rein in trump's impulses towards russia and helsinki, which became the infamous news conference. the question was asked who he believed, whether he believed the conclusions of every u.s. intelligence agency that russia had interfered with the 2016 election on his behalf. he made it very clear he sided with moscow. fiona hill says in order to try to simply get trump to stop talking, she considered faking a
coronary. she didn't do that, but she expressed how disturbed she was. >> jonathan, you covered trump all through his presidency. you covered this period on a daily basis. when you were doing the research for the book, what was it that still surprised you? what struck you most that you hadn't really anticipated in your research? >> reflecting back upon it, it's the sheer value and ferocity of his willingness to lie. there was nothing too big or too small for him to do it to try to gain that tactical advantage. steve bannon is quoted in the book as telling aides even he, who is not shall we say an adherent to the truth, even he
was flummoxed. i think that was connecting the dots about how lies, that some of them even seemed harmless, like lying about the crowd size at the inauguration, but how that prepared and primed those around him to go along when he would tell bigger lies, none bigger than those about the election that fuelled january 6th and both political parties are grappling with today. >> as recently as yesterday, positioning himself as a martyr, a victim of all these investigations into what he so clearly did on january 6th. the book is excellent. if you want to see that crackling chemistry between mike barnicle and jonathan lemire you can see it tonight at the 92nd street y in new york, one of the great venues in new york or anywhere. it's sold out, i'm told.
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>> reporter: now feeling safe, but losing the pain of precious items you can't put a price on. >> photos that can't be replaced. out west, federal officials are battling major fires in california, montana and idaho. the national interagency fire center reports wildfires already have consumed more than 5.5 million acres across the country so far this year. there currently are 84 large fires active across the country. of the roughly 38,000 wildfires recorded in the u.s. to date, more than 34,000 have been caused by human activity. the federal reserve is expected to raise interest rates again today. fed chair jerome powell set to speak at 2:30 eastern time as second quarter earnings reflect an economic slowdown.
the fed is expected to raise interest rates by .75%. is 75 the basis point we're looking for? if so, what are the implications of the fed doing that again just a few weeks after they did it. >> i think that's what we are going to see. i don't want to say it's a goldy locks number but people are going to think something much worse is in the offing if it's higher and if it's lower, people are going to think the doctor is not prescribing enough medicine. the more important piece is not the 75 basis points, the more important component is going to be what jay powell says about what he's thinking about the economy. there is a sense he's going to have to do this again.
talk about medicine, you know, so many people take antibiotics. just when they think they feel better, they stop taking it even though the dose says ten days. so there's a question as to are people going to feel better about the economy and is the fed going to stop and is that a mistake and it gets worse again. i think that's what everybody is going to try to read in between the lines. >> tied into that is this question about recession. when do we say we're in a recession? is it the old thing of two consecutive quarters of slow growth. with unemployment so low, lots of jobs being created, are we entering a recession? >> i don't think we're in a natural classic version of a recession. whatever we're in right now doesn't look like that.
it will be very interesting to see how powell talked about that and how he talks about unemployment. if unemployment starts to creep up and you're seeing lots of companies pausing hiring or cutting back completely, if the number goes to 4.5%, what's the reaction. >> let's talk about the doctor prescribing the medicine, dr. powell. give him a grade? how is the doctor doing? >> oh goodness. i think there are some people who would say he is both an arsonist and a firefighter. he created this mess because they actually kept interest rates too low for too long and now he's having to fix the problem of his own creation. there are others who are going to say that maybe this is --
you're not going to know for about a year or two to have some real perspective as to how he's doing. i think the truth is, at least as of today, he would have wished he put his foot on the brake probably six months before he did. i think there are some people who think there's political reasons why he didn't. in fact, he was so up for the job at the time, if he put the brake on then, would he have gotten the call to come back into the role? there's lots of questions about that. had we gone to 100 basis points, would we be in a better place? >> i don't know. white house saying it's not a recession. there are other worrisome signs, walmart's earning reports showing concern once again. it is corporate earnings season. what are wall street and other people looking at for that part
of it? >> they're looking at how the consumer is doing. visa came out yesterday and said the consumer is holding up pretty well. it's just the money is being spent in different ways. talking about walmart, instead of people spending money on electronics and clothes and patio furniture, they're spending money on food and gas and travel. we've got to see what the health of the consumer looks like. you have earnings from microsoft and alphabet, parent company of google, it's down a lot in terms of the growth they had a year ago compared to today. i think you are clearly seeing a slide in the wrong direction there. that may be indicative of where we're headed even more than the consumer data just yet. >> i think most people have lost track of the battle between elon
musk and twitter. what is the latest? he's pulling out of the deal. twitter says we're going to meet in september to try to make this deal happen. >> first of all, you have the elon musk expert right next to me, who knows more about elon musk than just about everybody. look, right now twitter is actually trying to push forward with this deal. in fact, they've set a date for a vote on the deal. they have to do that technically. then this is going to go to trial in delaware unless a settlement is reached earlier than that. i think there is no settlement ahead of it. >> yeah. >> elon musk doesn't want to do this deal and twitter wants to do this deal. it looks like the contract is probably in twitter's favor.
>> we'll see in mid october. i think this will go quickly. what the chancellory court says this contract is totally enforceable, he then is going to appeal that case. he's going to go to the supreme court in delaware. they could then turn around and say we agree with this. they probably have to do that. he could then say unenforceable. i don't think i've seen an example where a court has tried to force somebody to buy something. >> how much do you think elon musk would pay to get out of this deal? >> the $1 billion breakup fee and the huge amount between the differential of what he has offered, which is 44 billion, versus what it's worth now.
you have to say somewhere in between there's a number. >> right now he's paying $44 billion for it. i think the judge can only force you to buy the company at $44 billion or damages are capped at $1 billion. there's not too many choices. >> i don't know what happens. >> twitter's board says it's committed to completing the merger in terms of the price agreed upon with mr. musk. last week we told you about the new reporting that if former president trump were to win the presidency again, he plans on a purge of most government employees. our next guest details why that move would be a major problem. e. e. our nextger people. i think most adults will start realizing
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it's about ten minutes before the top of the hour. former president trump, as you know, is fond of railing against what he calls the deep state. according to new reporting from axios, president trump would get rid of those government employees should impulses of trump in check and the latest piece is titled "you're going to miss the deep state when it's gone." good morning. during the presidency trump was regularly frustrated you write by the fact that government officials appointees as well as career officials in the civil service, military, intelligence community and foreign service were an impediment to the autocratic impulses about which he often openly fan that sized but trump's real issue with the career professionals is not that they reported to no one but they actually understood to whom they did report. the american people. they took the oaths of office
seriously which on a regular basis in the trump years meant they foiled some of trump's craziest ideas. time and time again when trump's inner circle clicked the heels and said yes, sir and the gop-led congress ignored the responsibilities really bad ideas were stopped, slowed or diluted by senior government officials who understood the responsibilities of public service. you explain it well there. who exactly for people who have heard this catch-all term the deep state and suspected based on what donald trump said it means something fishy or dark or people pulling the strings behind the scenes who are the people when we talk about the officials? >> you know people have been concerned about career government officials foreign service officers, intelligence
or military or career civil servants because they feel they outlast the appointees. they are not wholly loyal to them. there have been debates about this throughout history but about ten years alex jones started to zero in on the term deep state as yet another of the conspiracy theories but which they want to say that the government is out control. the problem is these people who take the oaths very seriously are the people that serve the public. they don't serve a party. and that creates a natural tension but what i argue in the article and what i think is apparent on the face is that's in the interest to have people that say i serve the constitution. i'm not here to respond to donald trump, particularly since often his ideas were illegal or
dangerous. >> david, do you think that to some extent donald trump if he were to come back in 2024 would have more knowledge about the workings of government than in 2016 and would be more effective? he didn't know about the workings of american government. now he does. >> that's right. he came in and didn't understand government. he thought people would just snap to and do what he said the way the small family business worked. the way some people he liked to visit, kim jong-un, people cowered in his presence and he liked that. but he discovered that they wouldn't do it. through the course of the administration beginning as early and firing comy he tried to get rid of people and put
loyalists in the place. watching the january 6 committee hearings we understand that better because we see what he was trying to do in the justice department and the department of homeland security. he was trying to put in people to say the law doesn't matter. i care what the boss says. >> you wrote "running the world" about the history of the national security council and how the apparatus came to be. tell me why we developed this notion of a more permanent apparatus and how should we balance that? >> we developed the idea of a permanent apparatus in the government so we didn't have to reinvent the government every four years. we wanted continuity, the benefit of the resources.
the apparatus you talk about actually created 75 years ago and worked well ever since. they report to political leaders but their oath is to the constitution. their service, the real boss is the american people. so they always have to balance that. so when a president comes in as trump did, said let's build a moat at the southern border and fill it with alligators or go to war with north korea or steal an election, the people said not legal, not a good idea. let's find another way. this is frustrating for trump because the republicans in congress rolled over and did whatever he wanted and the courts got packed and the professionals were the only check or balance that worked on the president.
>> david rothkopf, an important reminder. we'll be reading the new piece at the daily beast. thank you. that does it for us this morning. check out lemire and barnacle. >> streaming. live streaming. >> have fun tonight, guys. peter alexander picks up the coverage after a quick final break. he he coverage and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com break.
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