tv The Sunday Show With Jonathan Capehart MSNBC July 31, 2022 6:00am-7:00am PDT
good morning, it is sunday july 31st. i am jonathan capehart. welcome to a special edition of the sunday show. 100 days before the midterms. exactly 100 days from now, voters across the country will take part in one of the most consequential literal excellence in a generation. along with all 435 seats in the house, there are 35 senate races that will determine who gets control of congress for the next few years. and there is a lot at stake. the supreme court's decision last month to overturn roe v.
wade has reignited the fight for abortion rights. in states like michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin, access to basic essential reproductive health care might be determined by who is elected as governor or attorney general, and whether or not they will enforce abortion bans. and if republicans take control of congress, that leaves room for the possibility that they will begin working towards a national abortion ban. a goal that was planned even before roe is overturned. the assault on personal freedoms also extends to the lgbtq community. in recent, years republican leaders have been exploiting anti lgbtq sentiment for their political benefit. republican state legislatures are on track to introduce a record number of anti-lgbtq bills in 2022. so far this year, 13 states have already passed such laws. additionally, supreme justice clarence thomas is alarming opinion in the dobbs decision last month prompted congress to
take up new legislation to protect same-sex marriage. into the future of american democracy is on the line this year, to. it was only 18 months ago when a mob of maga loyalists stormed the capitol and attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. they failed that day but they have not been completely deterred. bogus and baseless voter fraud claims persist. meanwhile, trump's crazed election deniers are among the candidates for office this year including for high stakes positions such as secretary of state the top election official in most states. and there are even people who attended the january six rallies in washington last year, who are now vying to be governor. like pennsylvania's drug mastery on, oh and ryan kelly. a michigan candidate who has been charged in connection with the attack on the capitol. if these candidates succeed in taking office, that will
certainly have major implications for the 2024 presidential election. there are also a lot of dynamics to keep an eye on over the next 100 days. the party of the sitting president almost always loses house seats during the midterms. that does not bode well for democrats, who only have a feisty majority in the house. but in politics a lot can happen in 100 days. in recent weeks we have started to see the raft within the gop widening. that has been most evidence in the division between former president donald trump when he is vice president mike pence. who have been endorsing different candidates from opposite ends of the spectrum in the republican primaries across the country. for more on this, let's go to nbc news correspondent john hill. he joins us now from phoenix, arizona. van, great to see you. how is the dynamic between trump and pence affecting republican primary races this year? and what's that tell us about how things are going for that
party? >> good morning jonathan. look, we can talk about polls. we can talk about party loyalty, among party leaders. all we want, ultimately though, is going to come down to these republican voters, especially in these august primaries. and at the forefront of that is this governor's race, just two days from now in arizona. you are looking at carrie lake, who is an ardent backer, a trump acolyte. and then on the other hand you have caring tina rosen, the other republican in this moment among a battle here, who not only is endorsed by mike pence but mike pence came out on the campaign trail for her. she is also backed by the likes of doug doocy, who of course the ire of donald trump after he certified joe biden's 2021 here in the state of arizona. it is going to be up to republican voters here on tuesday to determine which path they want to go ahead. and then if you look at the u.s. senate race here, jonathan,
you've got blake masters. who is the trump black candidate here. he is a former right hand of truck billionaire pierre tail. but you also have jim layman. and when you look at these candidates, they are both, again, trump loyalists. one has the trump endorsement, no doubt about it. jim lamon is on airways trying to get and that he is the true pick. and then he told me just two nights ago that donald trump may have been about endorsement, much like he did with mehmet oz, was the example that he used. so that for jonathan, ultimately, it will be for voters to decide the path. here and his races like these are going to be a big indication of where their loyalty still lie. >> and ivan. they are in arizona in terms of republican primary voters, does it seem to you that yes donald trump is endorsing candidates and those candidates are leading in the polls. is that an indicator of just how much strength donald trump has, still, over republicans in
at least arizona? well >> jonathan i would make a strong case that that is the scenario. if you also look at the secretary of state rice, mark fischer, you'll recognize him as the guy with the mustache in the cowboy hat, he is an individual who says that the 2020 election should be decertified. he is running in a crowded field. he is on the tv airwaves with the trump endorsement behind him. he is leading in polling. you look at the attorney general's race, there are six republican candidates who really, none of them had much name recognition coming into this. the one with the trump endorsement, they bombed, it he is also a top to poll. you are looking at a potential clean sweep of victories for the trump backed candidates here in arizona, a state where republicans if they wanted to take back the white house in 2024 really need to take a close eye on what type of candidates are putting forward, especially when you are looking at the 2024 presidential nomination. >> coming to us live from phoenix, arizona, van hillard. thank you very much for coming to this special.
joining me now is katie hobbs, she currently serves as the secretary of state in arizona and is also a democratic candidate for governor in the state. also joining us is janet griswold, she is colorado secretary of state. and the chair of the democratic association of secretaries of state. and she is also running for reelection this year. thank you both very much for being here. secretary hobbs, let me start with you. arizona's primary is on tuesday. two days from now. and some of the republican candidates running to replace you are election deniers. what do voters need to know about what is happening in arizona and its elections, for the last couple of years? >> first and foremost, and arizona's elections are fair and secure. and nothing has changed that. i think that is very important for people to know, no matter what these elections lawyers will say and continue to say. but the second thing is that no matter what office you are voting, for democracy is on the ballot in 2022. these trump loyalists that he is working to install and
offices across the country are part of his plan to change the rules, and overturn the will of the voters in the next election. if he does not like the outcome. >> and secretary griswold, keep talking on this theme. the secretary of state position has become extremely polarized over the past couple of years. talk about what's danger that poses for democracy. >> well, first of jonathan, thank you for having me it is always great to see my wonderful colleague from arizona. you are absolutely right. we have seen the worst attack on democracy in recent times. and as secretary hobbs indicated about president trump's failed attempts to steal the presidency in 2020. but those actions have not stopped. we have seen hundreds of voter suppression bills that destabilization of elections through insider threats, threats to election officials. and lies to round americans. it is absolutely focused on
2022 in 2024 to allow these maga extremists to try to take these seats, yet if they don't win. so democracy is on the ballot, and we need to elect secretaries of state like katie hobbs, like democrats across the nation, who will fight for the right to vote. who will fight for american voters. democracy is on the ballot and we have to win the seats coming up here in a couple of months. >> so then secretary hobbs how are you preparing for this year's elections, not just in terms of logistics but in regards to countering the conspiracy theories and baseless voter fraud claims? >> we learned a lot because of our efforts to do the same in 2020. and i think we were successful. we saw her store participation here in arizona and across the country. he lot of that is thanks to a coordinated effort that we put forward with other secretaries of state and other local election officials to counter that misinformation. and that misinformation has never stopped. and we have had to run at
ongoing campaign against it. and we are continuing that, and ensuring that voters know where to go to get the accurate information, the information that they need to be able to participate in exercise their freedom to vote. >> secretary grows, well let's have some real talk here. recent surveys show that the economy abortion and inflation on top of most people's minds going into this year's midterms. election integrity does not crack that list. are you concerned that the general public is not aware of what is happening with your line of work? i think that there has never been a time that americans are more concerned about who they secretary of state. in my experience, on the ground, it is actually the opposite. i've been traveling around the state of colorado, and i have never seen people more worried that the right to vote is on the line. and to be very clear, the same extremist who are trying to take away our freedom to cast a
ballot in free and fair elections and have it count, those are the exact same extremists who are making american women second-class edison's with the rolling back of roe. it's the same folks going after interracial marriage, birth control, marriage equality. because they know that americans strength is to have our voices heard, and reject this extremism that is being put on all of us at the ballot box. democracy is on the ballot. so is all of our rights. and whether your viewers hear most about climate change attacks on women, making sure that going to college as affordable, we will only have this forward progress if we have the vote. and i am confident that american voters will say democracy and our fundamental freedoms in a november. >> all right. secretary hobbs, we just heard from secretary griswold in colorado. election integrity is a big issue for voters. but what about there in arizona? have you also seen that concern
there? >> absolutely. especially in a state like ours where the aftermath of the 2020 election played out, we were ground zero for a long time with the county. the second you just had with dawn talking about the two republican kenyette candidates for governor, there is no room between them on policy. they both put forward these incredibly extreme positions that are out of touch with the mainstream of arizona. including on elections. and so, kara till the robe said you may seem like the opposite of trump, has refused to say whether she would have certified the 2020 election, or what she will do in 2024 if she is elected governor. and it won't say whether or not the election was fair. . >> that is pretty incredible, what is happening there in arizona. in colorado. one more question, secretary
griswold, before i let you go. ever since donald trump camp plane complained about dropped boxes ballot, they become a fairly hot button issue. but what is that if you really about? >> well, we have seen donald trump an extremist around him use lies to try to put down the basis for voter suppression and pushing out massive misinformation, so americans don't have as much faith in elections. but i will tell, you colorado is considered the safest state in the nation to cast the ballot. i think these drop boxes by more than over 65%. in voters have use them. our last election in 2021, and then our state would primary, we just had over 98% of voters chose to use a drop box. that includes, republicans and democrats, and unaffiliated voters. even when we have unprecedented increases to in-person voting. so the lines are out there. we have to push back. and as the secretary of state i
will always do everything they can to make sure that every republican, democrat, and other affiliated voter in colorado has access to safe and secure elections. >> janet griswold, katie hobbs thank you both very much for being on the show this morning. i am joined now by the -- steve bannon, he is the -- of the mountain, block and producer for the matter. show he's also the author of, the, impostors how republicans quit governing and save american politics. steve, great to see you. as things stayed right now, which party do you think that they likely start to controlling congress next term, and what issues and factors will affect the outcome? nbc's election? ctor will affect the outcomwell, thet republicans clearly have an advantage, in terms of history, fundraising, polling, it be undeniable that there will position to succeed. but we look back at history, there are examples of outliers. in instances where the presidents party has been able to succeed, despite the overall
trends. what's the question is, is this one of those cycles? we saw it in fdr's first midterms, defy the odds. we sought again under george w. bush and his midterms. is this one of those cycles? i think the answer is maybe. right now we're dealing with an environment in which roe v. wade was overturned, with january six on everybody's minds, i think those factors suggest that maybe those are the kind of conditions that will create a dynamic in which democrats are able to defy the odds. >> the, help me understand something, help everyone understand something, you look at the president's job approval rating, it is in the toilet. it's below 40%, or just hovering around 40%, depending on which server you're looking at. and yet, you would think because of that the democratic party is in trouble, and yet, when you look at the generic ballot, when people are asked, who do you want to have control of congress, democrats or republicans? the two parties are a parody or
in some surveys democrats are leading. what is happening there? >> right, i think there's two things to consider on this point. the first is that a lot of voters are able to make a distinction between the president and democratic candidates, they're looking at them as two different things, they are not necessarily tied. we're looking at georgia for example, -- is doing fairly well in georgia despite president biden's poor pulling in that state. people are making this distinction, they're not necessarily tying democratic candidates to the president. the other element of this, i think it's important to keep in mind, a lot of this is a result of republican, backlash against republican extremism. people might not be thrilled president biden, at the same time they're looking at republican candidates and thinking, they are too radical for the kind of people i want to see an office right now. those two combinations, those dynamics playing out in combination, created an unusual dynamic in which we have a cycle in which democrats can do
well despite the president's poor rating. >> yeah, we just heard from the secretaries of state not arizona and colorado but how the outcome of this year's midterms will have implications for 2024. let's talk about the implications for congress, particularly the january 6th committee, what happens to them if republicans take back the house? >> right, this is an important question. i think that most of us would assume that republicans are in position of authority, they did simply dismiss the january 6th investigation, pretend as if the attack never happened, that would be the end of it. but in reality, the dynamic is actually worse than that. what republicans want to do is investigate the investigation, we've seen some efforts from republicans to tell the january six committee to hold on to documents because they're going to investigate the investigation. so, if republicans are in a position of majority, but we would have is not, we would have a situation in which the villains are not the rioters or donald trump or the allies, the villains would be thompson and liz cheney and kinzinger and
those on the january six committee because they would be targeted by congressional investigations if they were a republican majority. >> i'm gonna squeeze in one more real quick question, i should've asked this before, the key races we should be looking at over the next hundred days, just give me one? >> i think the one on everyone's mind is the pennsylvania senate race, i think that is the race that may ultimately decide who wins the senate, which parties and control. right now i think fetterman is well positioned, that race will probably be the deciding factor in terms of who is controlling the senate in 2023. >> steve, thank you very much for your analysis and for being here this morning. coming up on this special edition of the sunday show, with 100 days until the midterms, voters are heading to the polls this week in several states for some all-important primaries. we'll go to one of the states to watch next. to wchat next. with exfoliating bar. the bar in the handle removes unseen dirt and debris
control for congress is up to grabs this november. following the presidential election, -- lose the seats in the house and senate. not always, as steve bannon explained in the last block. traditionally. right now, democrats control the house and holden ever so narrow majority in the senate. despite precedent in a grim outlook for democrats in the midterms, four new national
poll suggests the party could actually keep control of both chambers of congress this year. one of the states to watch in november's missouri, particularly it's crowded senate race. on tuesday, missouri voters will head to the polls for the states primary elections. republicans will choose who they want to replace senator roy blunt, who is retiring after this term. this is important, the leading candidates for the republican seat have all pledged unwavering loyalty to former president donald trump, and they're competing for his endorsement. they include current missouri attorney general eric schmidt, and battled formal governor eric greitens, and current missouri house representative vicky hartzler, who voted against certifying the 2020 election. nbc's -- is in st. louis, missouri, following the race and the midterms that large. thank you for being here. give us a low down on this race and what it might tell us about the midterms overall. >> well, this three-way race is
really a microcosm of the challenges and issues facing the republican party nationwide. when you laid it out pretty well, it's that you have the embattled governor, eric schmidt, sorry, eric greitens, they're two x in this race, makes it even more complicated. he resides in disgrace when he was governor, there were claims of sexual abuse from a hairdresser. there is real issues there in terms of scandal. then you have eric schmidt who is someone who just a few days ago came out saying he would not support mitch mcconnell for senate majority leader if he were to be elected. then you have vicky hartzler, she's really interesting, she's someone who has support for president trump, who came out against certifying the 2020 election, she is already been thrown under the bus by the former president, trump saying he would not endorse her. he said he doesn't think she has what it takes. it's really the two x that are fighting this out right now. why states a microcosm, the
trump endorsement will loom heavily here, especially in a race like this one. whoever trump decides to endorse, if he decides to endorse, they will get the upper hand, we have to watch to see if that happens. >> let's talk more about the antipathy towards senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. what is that about? why? mcconnell is from kentucky, why is he playing a role in the missouri senate race? >> jonathan, i love when you asked questions that you know the answer to. we all know that the answer is that mitch mcconnell, of course, has become enemy number one, or at least emily number five on a list of long enemies for former president trump. because mitch mcconnell came out in bluntly said that former president trump was wrong in his actions surrounding january 6th, we should of course know that mitch mcconnell did vote to acquit former president trump. it's not as if he went completely -- he also said he would support
whoever the gop nominee's, including former president trump, because former president trump has made it his business too often and frequently criticize mitch mcconnell, now, a republican is trying to earn the vote of an endorsement, trying to earn the endorsement of former president trump, they have to in some ways really echo that. you're seeing both eggs come out and say, we would not support mitch mcconnell. no, i should say eric greitens, he has been saying that for a long time. eric schmidt is new to the game, in the last two days coming out against mitch mcconnell. >> one more question for, you the iowa caucuses have been the first up on the primary calendar traditionally, esther the dnc announced that it wouldn't make a decision about the 2024 primary calendar until after this year's elections. what's going on here? >> it's really interesting, the democratic party is really looking at its future. this decision is, i think, in some ways, an example of the democratic party trying to figure out who it wants to be.
of, course the iowa caucuses has for a long time than the first and nation primaries, for a long time, you've been hearing from raegan democrats who are saying, why are democrats spending so much money in a state that's deeply red? and in a state that's as overs as other places including nevada, south carolina, even michigan, or minnesota? you have a number of states saying, pick me, pick me. you should come here. of, course there are some who also say, let's go to a state, democrats, that's a swing state, so if we spend all this money and advertising and battling it out, we can come back and say we've laid the groundwork. it's interesting with this decision has been postponed. my understanding is that it really gives some states time to see if they can move their primaries up on the election and on the calendar. it also shows you that democrats want to be focused on the midterms because there's a number of mounting challenges there with many democrats i've talked to telling me they don't feel that there can be able to hold on to control of the u.s. house, maybe even the senate. they already have enough challenges, the singer to postpone this decision to later on. >> nbc's michelle sender there
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the democratic party. how, and more importantly whether they vote in the midterm 100 days from now could play a huge role in democrats efforts to retain control of the senate and the house. that is especially true of young black voters, who many fear will naturopathic pulls this november. nbc's jermaine lee traveled to l.a. this, week where he spoke to a group of engaged young black voters, they are definitely voting. here's a look at the issues most important to them in
november. >> we are hundreds away from the midterms. when you will walk into that voting booth, what issues are you voting for? >> definitely housing security, who is taking birth control seriously, and immigration issues. >> reproductive issues as well as land conservation and food insecurity. >> health care is one of the issues i'm absolutely voting on this election cycle. how is healthier going to be subsidized? what does the program look, like what is the plan with american health care going forward. our people get it to state sponsored health care, is it will be a third party, what's kind of options can i give my employer. all these things. >> that the democrats and especially biden does enough to address your concerns? >> it is hard to say that yes the democrats are doing everything they can, when you are not seeing that change firsthand. >> i think that they ran on these platforms, so they really need to be acting on them. if not they will see what happens in the numbers.
>> where are you going? the middle space, or further to the left? >> the middle is comfortable. it's like your comfort spot. you stay there, this is my comfort buddy, i'm gonna stay here because i like. it but it's not helping. it's not. it's been the same for too long. >> we need to be pushing left, we need to be trying to put together solutions, trying to advance this country for a country that is changing every day. >> if the party goes further left, you love salutes support. but you might see more voters, and so maybe those weren't voters who needed the whole time. if people are willing to leave your voting base because you want to give people free health care, they may not have always been as loyal as you thought. >> do you feel fair about america, two years into the biden administration, compared to where we were four years ago? >> am i over the moon? absolutely not. but i think we are making progress. >> i think, that you know, all of the time we disregard all
the amazing things that biden has done, because we -- were just common sense, you know. but i am looking forward to what will happen in the next two years, and how this country can continue to progress. a lot of biden's term has just been rehearsing with the last president did. >> it is not all on biden to fix everything, because we have to vote in every step. i definitely feel a lot better, but all is not well. >> joining me now is nbc correspondent jermaine lee. tremaine, one, thank you for being here. and thank you for sitting with those young voters. but i have to say, their answer to your last question kind of surprised me. in that, you know, we keep hearing, black voters are disillusioned. young black voters are going to stay, home they are disconnected. not those three. >> that is right john. within this group of young, people it was amazing and
refreshing refreshing to sit with these folks. they are not only locked in and tuned in, they are super engaged. another super gauge that they are paying attention, which they are. but they are telling their friends and family about. this the democrat party especially, coming into this young and robust and actively gauge set of voters, then you pay attention. because they are locked in. but they also feel that the democratic party may not be delivering the same kind of loyalty to them, in terms of asking them, do they feel better, sure, they look, raab things have not marginal changed even from the trump administration. that should be a signal to. some >> was interesting in that answer is that i was expecting them to say, flat out, joe biden is not doing enough. the democrats aren't doing enough. they promised to do xyz, they have not done anything. and instead what we heard was a much more nuanced answer than i think our colleagues in the media, and a lot of political observers give them credit for. >> because they do have faith
in the system right. even though they are saying the party should push further left, and they will get more gain from young people. and even though they were critical of some of the folks that are running, they deeply believe in democracy, especially in the south. they come from a great tradition of people pushing this democracy to be the best that it can actually be. and so they actually believe, nets and they are just hoping the party listens when they say we need to push, we need to turn these guys in a different direction. hoping that the party actually listens. >> when you turn, atlanta jermaine, with these young black voters is a preview of what we will see when we embark on a tour of this, colleges and universities across the south. tell us more about that, and how we will be able to follow along. >> john, glad you mentioned the store, i am super excited by this. we are gonna be hitting texas southern, morehouse, park it land to. a number of other colleges, having live shows for into
america. which we also watch on peacock. and of, course i am bringing my reporting from the tour here to msnbc. so stay tuned for this beginning in september. running through about october you could follow along. it is going to be fun and exciting. but also, the abc use are just bastions of that great cultural energy and intellect. and i'm hoping to talk with a lot of young voters like those you heard from just moments ago. >> i am really looking forward to it too. and we's jermaine lee, thank you very much. you can catch more of the conversation with that group of young black voters later this morning on the sunday show, here on msnbc. and you can hear the interview in full on his nbc podcast, called into america. no precise go up thursday morning. 's stay in subscribe wherever you get your podcast. still to come on the second edition of the sunday, show a deep dive into one of the most important and divisive issues on the ballot this november. november. with downy infusions,
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with this at stake in america votes in the midterm election, in exactly 100 days. abortion rights, voting rights, election integrity and democracy itself. there is still much more to get to. in the next hour of the sunday show, we will get specific and look at 100 days to the midterms in the house, in the
senate, and in governorships. in the house, once the republicans are hoping to hold on to is texas's 34th district. because of a recent round of redistricting, looking congressman meyer flores will face off against democratic congresswoman desantis gonzales for the seat. i will have a conversation with congressman gonzales. i will also talk to wisconsin's democratic lieutenant governor mindelo barnes, who is running to unseat republican senator ron johnson. and gubernatorial races will be more important than ever this year, with 36 governors seats up for grabs across the country this november. i will speak with the former dayton ohio mayor nan lately, who is trying to feed republican incumbent governor mike to mine for ohio's governor ship. all of that and more when the sunday show continues at 10 am eastern here on msnbc. and now that the power has been
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severely unequal country, with a patchwork of restrictions and bans that have cut off abortion access to tens of millions of people. in some states, where access still exists, it can be erased, depending on what happens in this year's midterms. the republican nominee for governor and pennsylvania has indicated he would support an abortion ban. both republican front runners in arizona's gubernatorial primary support strict anti abortion policies. in north carolina, democratic governor, roy cooper's veto pen is all that stands in the way
of an abortion ban. and republicans who already could hold a legislature hoping to end a veto proof majority in the fall to get around the governor. in wisconsin, abortion is already effectively bend because of a 170 plus year old la the republicans who controlled the state legislature decided to keep in place after roe fell. the states democratic governor and attorney general are fighting the law and have vowed not to enforce it. but if they lose reelection this year, the ban will stay. in some states, abortion rights are literally on the ballot. let's zero in on two of those key states, in michigan, a measure to protect abortion rights will likely appear on the november ballot after advocates quickly gathered enough signatures for a petition pushing for the proposal after roe is overturned. right now, all eyes are in kansas, where a ballot measure written by an anti abortion forces will appear on the
primary ballot on tuesday, making it the first state in the nation to vote on the issue since the supreme court overturned roe. stash appearances in kansas this week, she recently traveled to a clinic in wichita to preview tuesday's ballot battle. here is a clip. >> how critical has kansas been when it comes to abortion access in this entire region of the great plains? >> you know, the truth about this region is that we have been essentially in a post-roe reality for decades. kansas has currently for borscht clinics, there's two in wichita and two in kansas city. oklahoma, before the dobbs decision, had four, two in oklahoma city and two in tulsa. these were never adequate amounts of providers in the states. we know across the country, around 90% of american counties don't have access to an abortion provider. so, in some senses, you know,
the country is kind of catching up to what we've been living for quite a long time. >> and joining me now is nbc's star ship burns reporting live from overland park, kansas, a suburb of kansas city. can you explain with this measure will do if passed, and what's the latest polling tells us about where this measure stands? >> yeah, hey, jonathan, good morning. i'm standing right now in front of one of those few abortion clinics here in kansas that zach mentioned. the stakes are incredibly high, after the supreme court decision, after dogs, after roe is overturned, the surrounding states around kansas went dark. there is no abortion access around this state. so, this is really sort of an island when it comes to abortion access in this entire region. zak there did mention to me that they have seen a significant increase in the number of calls they're getting outside of the state seeking
services here in kansas. as he said there, there are very few clinics here to begin with. these abortion clinics can barely keep up with a number of people seeking the services here in kansas, let alone the folks that are now lacking access in their states and looking to come here. now, the value of the -- amendment, what it would do, it basically targets a supreme court decision, the state supreme court here in kansas in 2019 ruled that abortion rights are in the state constitution, there is constitutional protection for abortion here in kansas. this amendment would remove that constitutional protection for abortion, it doesn't ban abortion outright itself, it doesn't restrict abortion, what it does is remove those protections and essentially gives the power to the legislature, which is conservative here in kansas. it gives the legislature power to then potentially restrict abortion or ban abortion. we don't know that the
legislature will do, but it gives the power to the elected officials to then take abortion into their hands. there hasn't been a ton of polling, there's really only one poll that shows about 47% of kansas, kansans, want to vote yes on this value amendment, it would remove those constitutional protections. 43% want to know, 10% are undecided. we are deciding that this will be pretty close jonathan. >> coming to us from kansas, thank you so much. turning now to michigan, let's bring in the states attorney general, dany -- attorney general nessel, thank you for being here. where do abortion rights in michigan stand today in a post roe america? >> well, jonathan, they are hanging by a thread right now. we have a couple lawsuits that were filed actually before the dobbs decision came down, in anticipation that road be
reversed. one filed by planned parenthood and one filed by the governor against the county prosecutors. the planned parenthood case, a preliminary injunction was put into place that would keep things as they were in a pre-jobs world where roe v. wade still existed. it would keep things as they were until or unless there is a disposition in this lawsuit. but the republicans in the legislature have filed a motion to have that preliminary injunction, you know, lifted, so that the abortion ban in michigan, which is already in the books from 1931, that bans abortion in virtually every circumstance, rape, incest, medical emergencies, the only exception is to save the life of the woman. no one really knows what that means, you know, do you have to have 100 percent chance of dying during childbirth or during your pregnancy?
it's unknown. that being the case, we do have a ballot proposal that hopefully will appear on the november ballot, called the reproductive freedom for all ballot proposal, that would codify into her michigan constitution, not just abortion rights, but rights for birth control, which is weirdly under siege right now, and miscarriage treatments, also the fertility treatment. we are very hopeful that we'll be on the ballot and respective with the courts decide, but that will pass, and the safe haven state for those seeking abortion care here in michigan. >> attorney general nestle, how likely do you think it is that that ballot measure will pass? >> i think that an overwhelming number of michigan residents and michigan voters want to see abortion rights protected in the state, as seen polling that suggests somewhere around two thirds of our state residents that want to see those protections in place. just it's understood how popular this measure is, this
particular ballot proposal received more signatures than any other ballot proposal in the history of our state, nearly twice as many as was required. so, i truly believe that it will make the ballot, it still has to be certified in order to do so, but when it is, and it makes the ballot, i think it's gonna pass an overwhelming numbers. >> your opponent, who is trump backed, matt deperno, supports a total ban on abortions, with no exception for rape, incest, or the life of the pregnant person, are his extreme views shared by a considerable number of michigan people or seen outlier? >> oh my gosh, i mean, the contrast couldn't be more stark, right? very very few michigan residents would like to see a total abortion ban, even in instances where the mother will certainly die during the course of the pregnancy. you know, but frankly, he is in
line with the republican and if you look at virtually all of the, say, gubernatorial candidates on the republican side, almost all of them agree there should be no exceptions for rape, no exceptions for incest, and, you know, to better understand this, even right to life refused to endorse my opponent because they said his views on abortion were too extreme even for them. so, they're incredibly out of step with how michiganders see this matter. you know, to have said so openly that he believes that a fertilized egg is more important than the life of a woman's outrageous. it's a real insult to the 2.2 million women in michigan that have -- our reproductive age. >> dana nessel, thank you so
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