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well i appreciate both of, you it is great to have both of you. thank you for joining us this, morning jennifer and, robbyn washington post opinion writer and mike are -- former rnc chairman and host of the michael steele podcast. both great friends of the show, that does it for, me thank you for watching for this special addition from velshi -- i am here tomorrow as well. i am going to an abortion clinic, cannot provide abortions anymore right after the show. i will bring you that tomorrow. velshi across america, post-roe alabama starts at 8 am eastern, the cross connection with tiffany cross begins right now. tiffany cross begins right now all, right good morning everyone. welcome to the cross connection, i'm of course stephen across. siena democrats are putting a
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network this weekend to pass the inflation reduction act of 2022. this legislation would be historic investing in things like combatting climate change, extending access to obamacare and finally, finally letting medicare negotiate with drug companies. but this is only after wheeling and dealing with you know who of course arizona senator kirsten sinema who demanded the preservation of a major tax loophole and forget this. the extremely rich hedge fund managers. the side eye is for you, we will talk more about that in a minute but first, republicans are starting to see that face bumping over the nine military and military aid are trying to obliterate abortion rights in kansas tonight go quite as well as they think. the defeat was kind of like when craig took down deebo and friday, you guys remember that? psychotic. regardless, they did not stop trump and back candidates from a sweeping victory in arizona's primaries. former tv anchor and corn election denier, kari lake said her race had been tainted by fraud. she said this before she won the gop primary for governor,
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take a listen. >> you said this election was messed up, you said to have evidence of cheating. why should voters trust that you won this election -- >> well we have a lot of evidence in irregularities and problems, we will address those. i will not release it to the fake news, we will release it to the real news. i don't want to release it to a bunch of people who deny that there was fraud when there is obviously fraud. >> it fake news that she was once a part of, and fraud when they lose and maybe not when they win, who knows? you think she took any of that, back no. america is that it, before i have to say it again. we are in danger, joining me now is lucy caldwell, a political strategist who campaign manager for joe wells's 2020 presidential campaign. -- political analyst and democratic pollster, and she aussie ross within attorney and co-host of the break dances as well as podcast on the dentist pirate radio. all of my people are here, so
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happy to have you guys, after a very busy weekend of politics. i have to start with my girl lucy because kyrsten sinema learned is from your home state. -- i am curious. who exactly is she working for in congress, this week is clearly wealthy hedge fund managers. >> i am a heartbroken arizonian this morning. in terms of cinema, look she i think hopes that she is capturing the kind of maverick energies that arizonian's do have a history of liking. i read an article this week about how, in the 11th hour, sinema was fielding calls from quote business leaders in arizona and quote. and i thought arizona does not have a super large hedge fund industry. so i would say i think kirsten sinema at the very least has tapped into something that is not just about the interest of arizona. you did see that you gotta things like trash protection, some other things that clearly will help her home, state my
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home state. at the end of the day, i think sinema has learned where her bread is buttered. we are butter is buttered maybe in the case of the carried interest loophole. it's a challenge and i think there's also a question about whether or not sinema is a foil for other democrats in congress. on to another day with vote-a-rama i guess. >> it is counted disappointing and i want to come to you on this because, we saw so many trump backs candidates get elected. you already have been oak here since sinema, who does the republican bidding more often than not. and when you see people of actual jurisdiction over how elections are run, when the gop primaries, i wonder can democrats see survive folks like that when the insurrectionists are pretty much infiltrated the system? >> tiffany, it's a very big problem and a dangerous. game one of the reasons that even as a democrat who worked on barack obama's campaigns in
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2008, 2012, i was extraordinarily happy that the republicans nominated john mccain in 08 and mitt romney in 2012 because i knew, that god forbid obama lose either one of those elections, democracy would survive even if ideologically it was adamantly in americans who are opposed to many of those policies taken by romney or mccain. and in this case, the dangerous game that is being played is having these extreme, unhinged fascist because that's what they are. they are not republicans, they are fascists, the skies as republicans. being on the republican ballot and the prospects of them potentially winning, and a 50/50 choice there at the end of the november ballot. that is not only dangers for democracy, it's an open existential threat. we have seen democrats in some states actually with the idea tiffany, it maybe even easier to beat that extreme republican, actually put some resources behind the hopes of electing them. i would never play that game
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because the consequences, we just saw with the carry lake flip means, that these people get in office, they will ignore the rule of law. it will ignore the constitution and they will do whatever they think is necessary to change elections and make sure republicans capture power. you wouldn't fritters that ought to with the electoral process. that's a guy we cannot afford to play as americans. >> i, agree we should point out that four election -- have won their primaries and these are an overwhelming swing states that was in michigan, nevada, new mexico and now arizona. it's quite scary. with jesse, i want to ask from legal perspective, as this happened, are there any legal protections in place? like when the system itself is being corrected, how do you fight the system from a legal perspective? i am at a loss here with the combined voter suppression, redistricting, an election deniers running elections and i don't know how to continue this
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democracy and it continues to function? democracy and ithe has it scaryt to acknowledge that this piece of legislation that is going to be voted, on it's not the biggest piece of climate policy legislation -- we are moving in the right direction. regarding the folks who continue still to this day to deny that legitimacy of the 2020 election and moreover, more troublesome part will continue to do this as we saw with lake. whenever they do not get their way, it's a petulant, howdy posture that is really scary because unless the narrative goes and the vote goes exactly as they wanted to go. they intend to cast doubt on these elections and unfortunately, we see some movement towards holding people
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responsible and accountable for their actions whether they deny or the legitimacy of the elections. i believe most of that action tiffany will have to come through the electoral process is not necessarily through legal imaginations. >> you're not something that happen in kansas which i was very pleased to see, people saw that the voters overwhelmingly voted in favor of the referendum to protect abortion rights. the question i have for you though, there are some people who will vote to protect abortion rights but still go out and vote for people who are anti choice. i mean how does that match and do you anticipate that happening in the general? >> yes i think that would happen in kansas is a good sign and i thought a lot this week about when it disaster it would be if it had gone the other way. it's a good sign but i do want to be a little bit careful about how we read the tea leaves going into the november
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election. we have kansas voted on was rejecting anti choice language. anti, anti choice is different than being pro-choice. and so that super important. i think we have to be really careful about what we take from that can just vote this week. i don't think it necessarily means that we will take people going out and voting that we want to know abortions up to 22 weeks. i don't think we will see people of the -- and the way that me whitewash. i hope democratic strategist are being careful that the antichoice piece is really important. we want to activate voters around their fear, about the faster some of republicans. not necessarily asking them to become planned parenthood boosters. they are not going to, that's a cultural bridge too far for many folks. we have taken it to link the republicans that are asking for their vote with things, like no exceptions for rape and incest.
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complete abortion bans, complete bans on access to what should be very -- we have to remember these republicans, are that's where we have to make clear. and i love you but why do you say these are not republicans, these are fascists, now they're both actually. today's republicans are fascists and it is not just on issues like our democracy on the election being stolen. it is on issues like a woman's right to medical care. and so we have to make that link as opposed to thinking that, we will activate people around becoming pro-choice activists themselves. we have to make sure they realize, this is something that will be taken away from you. it is a threat and that threat is directly tied to that person who is asking for your vote at the ballot box with the are next to his name. >> for non, i wonder if you want to respond about lucy said, i thought she made such a good point. we have less than a minute so please respond if you like. >> well look as long as people
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like liz cheney and adam kissinger are still in the republican party, i'm holding up michael skill as ike motel six, you will be the last to leave a light on. when those folks are fully, gone we could absolutely call all of them fascists. and i think this is the battle for the soul of what is left of the trump republican party right. now we see unabashed if, any these fascist candidates representing the trump ring, willing to do whatever it takes to dismantle this moxie. at one, point i do agree with lucy. you have to make the case of the american people, this project, this authoritarian american first project was a fascist project is designed to not only this matter our rights, the next episode dismantle the constitution. there are calls for a constitutional convention to undo the constitution if they capture all three branches of government again. you see folks like rick santorum and others lead that charge, that is what is coming next. so fundamentally, this is the choice that americans have, and i think the kansas results are
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heartening, and i say this also as a pollster, the beauty is the majority of the american is still on the side of constitutionality. the rule of law, the vast majority, reject these extreme positions on nearly every metric. whether it's abortion, reproductive freedom, immigration, when it comes to the role of the economy. the american people are on the side of the democratic party and they reject this republican fascist approach. that's why think it's critical but make that distinction now in november. >> and we will see, 75 million people social up and voted for donald trump. we have a lot more to talk about on the other side of this break. for an, and they will stick around if they continue this conversation. thank you so much, and we for this incredible instead this morning, and pleased to be sure to check out your vote, you are applying for their get final information on the voting, rules where you live and including registration deadlines. the voting options, what to bring with you on election day and more. you can check that out at nbc slash plan your vote.
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monte is still back in joining, us fresh on the set's victory she. a former's white house intern and coast of the politics -- victor, little it just completed his white house internship yesterday. here on the cross connection, we have a lot of multigenerational viewers, very pleased to have a lot of gen zers tuning in. so very happy to have victor
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here to express that perspective and point of view and give us some insight on what those voters care about. i will kick it off with the victor, we have seen, you just left the white house and we have seen a lot of younger voters, who over index quite frankly in 2022. i think nbc polling shows that 65% of gen zers, those are people between 18 and 20, four voted for joe biden. however, the latest polling shows just lost some support and enthusiasm among their generation so why do you think that is? >> there's a lot of rapid but how young people do not go to vote for elections and we see that typically especially during midterms. a lot of young people start showing up during midterm elections, but i think we saw happen differently in 2018, was that young people turned out to vote. and people turn out to vote in 2018, we turn out to vote in 2020, that's one of president biden as well as vice president harris and the two democratic senators in georgia when. and i think we're starting to see somebody win in 2022. and people may not support, biden but what really understands the importance of
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preserving the fundamental civil rights and liberties. we saw that after it came, out the number of young people who i've talked to, why engage with who came out after that decision came out. registered, vote inspiring and talking about kansas earlier. and that was one of the key moments, and i think young people, we know that these rights are on the ballot. and i think a lot of young people are making their voices heard, and i know republicans are coming after our lives. we see that in classrooms, and the target lgbtq kids, we see that with banning books. we saw that in all sorts of things, and young people this time around really understand the urgency but it's about how to reach that, and i think that's beyond how president biden shows up to young voters and include us in the conversations. also democrats doing their part to really go on nontraditional social media platforms, and it with senators jon ossoff and reverend raphael warnock during the 2020 election. and kind of reaches where we are and include us in that conversation. i think at the end of the, day we need to know that we matter, we need to know that we are engaged in this process. and i think democratic
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candidates need to meet us where we are because there really is no path to victory -- as showing up in the ballot box. >> i want to get four knots perspective on, this before i go to a moment to stick with you. and you make a good, point and you know we know that you guys are going to deal with the brunt of what happens, and whatever this democracy does or does not hold. but i am curious because, when you say the democratic party should do not traditional platforms to reach gen z voters, i haven't seen a lot of that and it's not just about the presidential election, we have state and local elections, federal elections with the no midterms in the house and senators are up for grabs. a lot of young people that i talk to, and my feet i have no young folks i follow, i follow them and they're posting about you know, the baby and you know just things that i am like, it's fine and that's what you want to post about. artist i've never heard, of it's fine and i want to engage the are. are you the exceptions are not the rule? the masses of young people who
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are out there, and i think around to see a lot more. as perfectly deftly not, and one pace and someone who is a young person who is really quite on social media making their voice heard. just like we thought would happen -- who is this amazing young person, taking up, tiktok taking the social media and i think we're scientists see a lot more young people kind of use their platform and raise awareness about important issues. if he does not come from the democratic party, i think of a lot of young activists who are going to social media and using that platform to spread awareness about issues. and may not come from necessarily democratic parties except for young activists. i think democrats have a huge role to play and going to not traditional platforms like tiktok, streaming services like twitch. alexandria cortez did that amazingly, when she ran for office and you saw that again kind of with the senators from georgia going to the nontraditional platforms and using some more creative, innovative and panjshir ways to reach young voters. our attention spans are, low it is hard to reach. us we have to find new ways to
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engage us. and i think returned to see that, more hopefully we see that more as we hinder the 2022. >> it makes, sense i am curious what your polling shows. victor makes good points and i have to say you know, you know in cable news is the same way and we cannot just keep doing the same old thing and so everybody has to adjust and how we present, knows how we present information and how we reach consumers and how we reach voters and viewers. vector makes a good point about, that what is your polling say when it comes to young voters and how they engage? >> well, it's like that willie said to, mind the famous bank, referred to as the maduro banks and he says well that's that's where the money is. and with young voters, you have to go to where the young voters are. and that means sometimes the, nontraditional outlets the, non traditional platforms. but, tiffany one of the things i want to echo that viktor said awkwardly is that elections are always about the future they say. although some republicans want to make it about the past. this election is about the immediate president. and it's really around two,
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issues it's really the election or agency or millennials. when you think about the decision to overturn roe, those americans right now that are in the most reproductive years if you will, that are voters, 18 to 45 and this is in fact right now immediately. when you then book in that with the other major existential issue of the president and the future climate change. or the democrats and the democrats are not the republicans, they are about to pass and a significant legislation, to address climate change, that is what you really need to rally the cause with the young voters around. the polling is clear, young voters overwhelmingly are against the decision to overturn roe. young voters overwhelmingly understand and appreciate what climate change means and wants to see action taken. but if you need to your, point if the democrats don't take that message to them, wherever they are they are missing an opportunity. all of us are heartened by what we saw in kansas, we saw a
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record type turnout for primary kansas. some of that was driven by a little spike with young voters. i think the message is starting to penetrate, democrats of another two months to make sure it penetrates even more so. >>, victor how old are you may i ask? >> 20 years old. >> 20 years, all this great to have you on set and talk about. this i will say to the young folks, your peer victors who are 20, i promise you that 40s come just like that. i'm still on my 20, still we are close and age but trust me, time flies by. pay down to the politics now because it will definitely impact you or you can impact politics. thank you so much vernon and victor, a very important conversation. you will see a lot more of vernon and victor in the coming months, very glad to have you here. don't go anyway because coming, up a possible prisoner swap could be on the table now that wnba star brittney griner has been sentenced to prison and russia. i will explain all of that, next first a programming note. i am so excited tomorrow night, -- hosting a roundtable latina trail blazers like gloria,
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responsibilities and, to work hard for everything that you have. that is why i pled guilty to my charges. i understand everything that is being said against, may the charges that are against me and that is why pled guilty but i had no intent to break any russian laws. and one courts understand it was an honest mistake, that i made while rushing, and the stress, trying to recover from post covid and is trying to get back to my team. >> russia now says it's ready to discuss the potential prisoner swap after wnba star -- nine and a half years in prison in a fine of 1 million rubles. about the equivalent of $16,301. she pled guilty to drug charges and a, lot july she's been in russian custody since mid february. joining me now to discuss all of this is noah. a professor at georgetown university. a foreign service and very pleased, welcome terry jackson.
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executive director of the women's basketball players association and wnba pa. very pleased that both of you ladies here and harriet will get two and a second and i want to start with you. now that she has been sentenced, what do you anticipate is next for her given your familiarity with these types of international relations as a relates to russia. i had to say seeing her keeper composure while she is spoken court, it broke my heart. about marcus i cannot imagine what she must be going through. >> i'm happy you started there, it is a human element you know the way that shell-shocked and has been talking about. there's a security element right? so to your question, what is next? now that the verdict is, and she has been sentenced, now there can be a level of negotiation that could happen. up until now, russia had not committed to that potential swap with britney griner. and for mr. whelan but now that
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it is on the books and i know she was sentence and she pled guilty, russia has what it wants, in terms of its performative theater that it needs to half of the world. and so now i am looking forward to negotiations, actually starting and hopefully getting those americans home. >> yeah, i think that's the most important thing and terry i cannot imagine what the wnba players are going through i have seen sound from, them i want our viewers to just take a listen to this incredible moment that happened days ago. it is her teammates who were kneeling and then you hear the audience join and so take a listen and we'll talk about that on the other side. >> it was the audience team bring her home while the players bow their heads and
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again, issues we have to keep in mind the human component of this. remember her humanity. and what she is going through. have you spoken with her or the family or people close to her? how are her spirits? >> of course, i have not spoken to b.j.. we are in close contact with her team close contact with cherelle. what we have heard is that she is doing as well as can be expected. we heard that you know, hearing the verdict in hearing the sentence although we have all been preparing for it. we know bt was preparing for it. it was a terrible, terrible, blow defeating blow, very emotional for her. as we can all imagine, and stephanie i want to thank you for recognizing what happened at the wnba game a few days ago. what took place in connecticut was a very powerful moment. hours after the verdict and the
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sentence were handed down. fiji's team the phoenix mercury, they had to play a game. and they were not sure they wanted to play the game. and i know we can all understand that because they were reeling and our members, wnba players are competitors on the court but they are sisters off of the court. the connecticut sign, the opponent you know some of them former teammates of b g. former teammates of bg and russia. so of course they understood, the connecticut players were dealing with something themselves. the mother of their head coach had just died. so the player leadership on both teams just stepped up and that is how you had that moment. where they met at midcourt. they met in the middle of the court for 42 seconds. pg's jersey number, to recognize the gravity of the
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moment. and to send their sister strength, the dallas wings in las vegas how the same kind of powerful moment. we are all reeling in this. and on that, day we did not have a chance to fully process that u.s. attorney general's announcement of federal charges against the officers and their breonna taylor case. just an impactful, impactful day in impactful week and if we can just put ourselves in her shoes right now she is reeling. >> you don't have to say terry, you and i've been in touch frequently. and a lot since the onset of this and you know, the teammates have the privilege of knowing britney, many of us who are standing in support with, there we don't know her. but we know her, she is ours and we want our sister home. very early, on the wnba trying to be strategic, everybody was trying to be helpful.
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and they're all trying to be helpful in silence. looking back, why do you think about that strategy? when the circumstances be different? had we spoken out and been more public, sooner or was there really nothing that could have been done? >> tiffany, there is no playbook for this. there is no playbook for this, there is most stock, one step, to step three. to i rethink the know what we did before? absolutely not. we were following the team and this is a team of folks who are on the ground in russia. her attorneys, folks that are here in this country. her agent and they have called together resources who know what to do and how to do and you are monitoring the situation in realtime. and so, the opportunity to show our support, our best support in the beginning was to be quiet. and to watch into wait and to pay tension.
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that is what we did and i rethink that question? absolutely not because when it was go time, when cherelle told our team to reach out to us, and to mobilize in spring into action, that's exactly what we did. and you know what's happening, the momentum is continuing to build. it's intensifying, and what we need to do as a country as got behind this president. that is what will happen, my prediction is that each day, we are going to intensify our support behind this president, secretary blinken. to get the deal done, and to bring pg home, to bring paul whelan home and other wrongfully detained americans. that is what we are doing right now. that is what go time is right now. >> i appreciate that, it is go time, for all of us and i appreciate perspective. no, we are out of time and i didn't ask you, your prediction how soon do you think we might see bg come home? >> i think the world are moving
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very fast on this. considering it's about 170 days since brittani was arrested. i remember you announced that morning in march, on your show and i think those are moving surprise and it committed to this. the state department is committed to this. and the world is watching. >> the world is indeed watching, thank you so much noah haynes and terry jackson. my heart goes out to you and to the players and just know there is a whole group of us that thing behind you and ready to be of service of the help bring brittany home. thank you so much for being here. coming up, next from covid to monkeypox, we are going from one public awesome urgency to another. we are tired of talking about pandemics and viruses but guys trust me, you know on him as the next segment. i have questions, you do, to stay tuned. stay tuned ne! (nurse) wait... did you say verizon for just $30? (mom) it's their best unlimited price ever. (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (dad) yeah, and it's from the most reliable 5g network in america. (woman) for $30 a line, i'm switching now.
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tired of dealing with viruses. but, listen the viruses are not tired of dealing with us. we have to talk about what is going on with monkeypox and
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what is not going on with monkeypox. the virus is spreading fast, over 7000 confirmed cases in the u.s. and less than three months. -- and this by what you may have, heard listen people, this is not a gate disease. it's a virus that can affect anyone, even you. so listen, up just for a few, minutes you got questions annoy of questions. and then he said we have ones with answers. doctor chris cornell, and their favorite public health physician is back with us. chris, i'm so happy to see, you know i have all the questions for you. first, i want to ask what exactly is monkeypox, why do we get, or why we dealing with this? it was a thrill living with the end of days? >> morning tiffany, so great to do with you today. monkeypox poll honks to a family of viruses, another type is very similar to it is smallpox. it's an infection and an outbreak that we characteristically have not seen in the united states. those outbreaks have been located and regions of africa,
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it doesn't mean that it cannot move across the globe. as we are now seen, there can be transmissions from human to human, as well as it has been some transmission for humans and animals. what we are facing right, now does feel like a twilight zone scenario. but i think the most important thing for all of us to take away from this is the need for public health preparedness in this nation. once again, we are too slow getting out of the gate. >> that scary. i want to get into disinformation, misinformation that's been floating around out there. first starters, i just found the reaction very interesting. people i know and in my orbit because you know, covid can literally kill you. especially before there was a vaccine. people willing to risk it, all but you talk about monkeypox and pimples on my face, way timeout. how do we get ahead of this? and then gets a vanity component to people really not wanting to get this. how exactly is monkeypox bread? >> so monkeypox is spread by
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direct, physical contact. either was somebody who was actively infected or, contact with bedding. contact with clothing, contact with an object. we call that bone might transmission of a person who has been infected. monkeypox can be spread through respiratory droplets. but we do not have clear scientific evidence that monkeypox spread by aerosols. meaning that an airborne infection. so the best way for people to continue to protect themselves is to think about when you are having direct, physical contact with. and squeak -- coddling, massaging, an inclusive of sex. all types, oral, anal, that gentle and it's really important as you mention that we don't stigmatize one group. but that we recognize where risk has, congregated and which communities, and that we get information out to those people. so now it's not just men who have sex with men or people who identify as gay. who are susceptible to
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monkeypox. if you have that prolong skin to skin direct contact with somebody who was infected, you too could actually get monkeypox. >> now after a covid, i have stopped handshaking. it's very awkward when people come and try to take your hand and arresting hugging. i would always prefer a hug over a handshake. but when you just said, hugging it's like i just have to walk around in hazmat suit and stop touching people. what other tips for not getting this disease? tips that we can all follow and, should we all be reaching out to get the vaccine? >> okay, let's out the vaccine. no, we should not all be rushing out to get the vaccine. but the vaccine should be more readily available. when you think about the vaccine, it's one of the most powerful tools a near prevention toolkit. right now in the united states, where using -- and that vaccine is a two dose vaccine. that is right now, most eligible for those who have the highest risk category. a person in the highest risk category aren't people who have
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-- with the same sexual orientation. typically in the united states, we have seen cases predominantly in men who have sex with men. but it doesn't mean that other fish are not sucks up double. children have gotten monkeypox because if you live with somebody who is infected, you can have that direct human to human transmission. otherwise, do those things to keep yourself safe. use your hand hygiene, just know and have conversations with any of your intimate partners. no one have conversations with anybody who may be having an illness under those things that we know are good and infection prevention best practices. all, right that is really good advice. last question before we go, monkeypox, can you die for monkeypox? are there long term effects of monkeypox that can impact your life forever? >> you know monkeypox is rarely fatal. it doesn't mean that if a person is severely immunocompromised or as a host of chronic health conditions,
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that might put them at higher risk. that they could have severe complications. we have not had any reported death in the united states yet, and there has been a handful of deaths of monkeypox across the globe. i don't want to minimize those experiences unfortunately that we have seen globally. but i do want people to know that monkeypox is not covid but still we have to make sure that we get the most accurate information out to people, and that testing is readily available. vaccines are available for those who have high risk as instrument for those infected. >> all, right thank you so much christopher, now our favorite doctor and always put things in very digestible terms. thank you my, friend had to have you back friesen. and for the folks at, home the three remaining survivors of the 1921 race massacre. another step closer to getting the justice they, deserve it'll be a reparations precedent setting case. you will talk about that with the attorney, right after this break. stay tuned. break. stay tuned
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could be precedent setting when it comes to reparations. we've got of course on the start of one up in just over 100 years ago, when a white mob attacked the black greenwood district of tulsa, oklahoma known as black wall street. now the survivors might finally get some accountability. and tulsa county judge rules that the three remaining survivors of the massacre can absolutely continue their quest for reparations in court. however, the judge also ruled that the descendants of survivors could not sue for reparations. even though the impacts of the attacks have been felt through generations. joining me now is their attorney to mario filament simmons, and he is joining me from tulsa. mario, so happy that you hear my friend. brett, get out and give us the latest. the judge says the descendants cannot sue by the three survivors of the attack and move forward. what exactly does that mean? and one of the next steps? >> first of all good bullet to, pretty good to see you would like you for having me on what's again. this is truly historic, is that wrapping in the history of this country. wary incident, a racial
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violence from 100 years ago will be able to be litigated in court. we are ecstatic for the three minute survivors, 108 year old fletcher. 170 year old -- and the guy on the end, uncle red he has 101 plus. we are excited for them to have this opportunity for over 100 years. over 101 years in fact to get in front of the court system. we are disappointed tiffany that the judge to dismiss the descendants, particularly dismissed out has storage -- which was the only remaining and surviving structure from 1921. that they were dismissed out of the case. we are considering all of our options for appeals and what we want to do as far as putting those people back in the case. as far as how we move forward, with the three living survivors. we have to get some new documents filed by september 2nd, which will do very soon. and hopefully get started into discovery in this particular matter and finally get some justice accountability, and our
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operations for these folks. >> you know, the interesting thing about this case which we have talked about a, lot as this president. setting this can cast a wide net of influence when it comes to issue of reparations. so i say that the, say i would imagine there is an vested interest and slow walking this and making sure that these three survivors to not ever get accountability in terms of payment and money owed. how soon do you think that these three people have had the benefit and pleasure and honor of meeting how soon do you think they could actually see, reap the benefits that were stolen from their family by a brutal brutal attack? >> well you, know great thing about this case as a public nuisance theory they will benefit the entire community, not just a three living survivors. they are happy to be the face and be pleading the charge and have the ability to bring this case. it will impact and restore, rebuild the entire greenwood community. my legal team with my co-counsel, and new york and all of the community members.
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everybody is standing, for when you're hoping that we can move fast as my co-counsel, and they will say that deliberate speed. we need to get this thing moving forward, these things are moving for 107 years old and that is remarkable in and of itself. we don't have a scheduling order, i don't get too technical. we need a scheduling order from our judge to give us a road map of how long things will take. we do believe discovery will be very robust and, discovery is the aspect and we get documents. an information that's been hidden for over 101 years. we get very much, really tell that that you, story the effort story and then give it our experts and say what does it take, the rabid something that has been the short for over 101 years. those are the things that we are working on, we so appreciate our community, the ancestors and people are standing. anna damon fighting estrogen than one years, i just feel blessed we could bring this ball forward and try to get justice once and for all. >> let me ask, what should
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happen, should the survivors pass on, where does that leave the case? what would happen because there are still a great crime that was committed here and money is still owed. what would happen, god forbid should these folks over 100 pass on? >> you know our team, we are considering. that we just got this order a couple days ago. within whip and that contingencies as necessary, that we had to think about that but that was to happen. and now we have their states set up, and things can move forward. that is another reason, also that we are looking at all of the options to try and get the descendants back in the case. particularly in the church. a church that is so surviving, they got kicked out on a very minor legal technicality. no charges been in existence since 1918 in the very same location. and they're not incorporated to 1962. and so the judge, has not the same legal entity that suffered the massacre that was incorporated in 1962. we think it's something that we want to move and push back on,
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because we want foreign and back in the lawsuit for those very reasons that you talked. about that these three survivors where to pass away before we get to the end of this trial or this litigation, what will happen? we had to think about them but tiffany, you are a very astute journalist. that's a very good, question that something we have to be prepared for. >> all right, you have to come back here and keep us posted and you have rounds and a lot of things that we need to talk about on the cross connection. come back relations, that you so much to my friend damario solomon-simmons on giving us the latest, we will be in touch with you. coming up for you folks in over the next, hour i have a rock star panel joining me to talk about the democrats outreach shouted she ahead of the midterms. law, as i'm still told to have me to founder, tehran uppercut you and me live to discuss the backlash women face when it comes forward with allegations of sexual misconduct. it's a conversation that you don't, timothy cruz her to weigh in with me on twitter, we will keep it right here in sea for the next hour. for the next hour. neighborhoods "open".
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focusing on folks who left the party a years ago, what went made it like to inspire the country? how about democrat speaking to their base ahead of the all-important midterm elections? that is the communication we want to see, because that tells a story of which voters matter to the democratic party, and which voters will continue to uphold this democracy. joining me now to talk about all this and more's badge against. he is a president and ceo of api victory fund, and so she olson is a democratic strategist and former dnc spokes person. and a man who i had to beg to join with this morning, to disrupt his entire schedule, doctor jason johnson. he is an msnbc political contributor, and professor of journalism and politics at morgan state university. we will get to you in a second, doctor. i want to kick it off with the fact that so many trump endorsed candidates won their races, brett. this go around, what do you think the democratic response
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should be, given what we have seen happen? >> i think that we all woke up the day after kansas, that should be like a hand hashtag. the day after kansas. where a lot of friends of mine who work in d.c., who follow polling. all the focus groups saw something happen. which is to say, they saw some light at the end of the tunnel. because up until this moment, i think look, i live in d.c.. a lot of people were just writing this midterm election. off this is going to be a bloodbath, gas prices are high, people are upset. but the reality is that people, particularly women, know what is at stake, know the urgency. and so, i agree with you. i don't think it is enough for democrats to just write this off. we need to see some hope, we need to see some optimism, and we actually have to spell out, particularly for young voters and voters of color, what are we actually going to do? what are we actually going to accomplish? and so, the great thing is that we have seen some accomplishments. we have seen some progress on
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gun violence, we saw some progress with climate, but again but i am hearing from folks in d.c., when i'm hearing from actual voters, are two different things. and we need that level of urgency. we have to inspire in this election, and i'm just not seeing it yet. >> yeah, you know, and i thank you for pointing it out. because there is progress. we do have to tell that story as well. sometimes the media strives in conflict. but it is of benefit to viewers voters to see what has been accomplished and make that accessible for folks. so so she, i do wonder, i know a lot of candidates running across the country. i talked a lot of folks running for office across the country. something that struck me the cycle is democrats meddling in republican elections. actually funding ads against, or ads for republican candidates because they think that that person would be the better person to beat. however, i know so many folks who would love some of that money, who desperately need some of that money. and i whatever the thinking is behind that. it doesn't seem like a good
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strategy to me for democrats. and i'm curious your thoughts haven't been a spokesperson for the party. >> you are absolutely right, tiffany. and this is what you said, and where brad's that are so important. and what i was going to mention is that we not only have to persuade voters, and that is where democrats are usually focused on. we are focused on okay, what is a message, let's get out there, let's persuade voters, let's persuade moderates and independents. but we have to mobilize them. and if we are not working to turn them out, then we are going to lose this election. because democrats control everything. you not only have to inspire people, but you have to ensure the people turn out and that the turnout in places where there are no voter suppression laws, for example. so i think it is very important for democrats to not only use the money to figure out the best candidate to put forward on the democratic side. they don't necessarily completely control what's happening on the republican side. but i will say that they have to spend this money in black and brown communities. because what republicans are
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doing is republicans will define the democratic party for them, and will turn out their base like for example immigration. you've heard republicans spend money on immigration, on the border, and democrats are losing that fight. and immigration is something that has bipartisan support. so i would like to see democrats spending more money on the issues that voters care about and that are based cares about, but also to mobilize them. because we don't do that, tiffany, that our voters won't turn out and we will lose in november. >> jason, you and i talked about this so many times. it does seem like some of this messaging sometimes. this bothers me so much when i hear democratic candidates talk about winning republican borders, winning swing voters, and this other face that that is. to so many black women, but just the rising majority. the api communities, the latino communities, the biggest voting blocs right now. and they're leapfrogging over these folks, indigenous
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communities, they're leapfrogging over these folks to appeal to folks who are never gonna dance with the. against what is the thinking behind? that i don't spend the entire time trashing democrats, because republicans are the biggest threat to democracy. but i just wonder where can democrats fill in that gap in speak to people who they don't normally talk to? >> well, stephanie, here is the thing. there is a difference between the national democrats and what local democrats are doing. and you know some of the campaign. you talk to the person in ohio, you talk to the person in texas. and until the national party, we don't need that message we need this message. so i think if you look at where mark kelly is saying in arizona, if you look at where tim ryan and saying in ohio, there is actually a pool where tim ryan is leading j.d. vance. i never would've imagined that two months ago. if you talk about them, local people know the message that they need locally. so that, i think we can't always conflate the two. but the other issue is this, i agree with you, i said it all along, i don't believe in swing voters. people misinterpret things like kansas. i can look at kansas and say, okay great. a lot of people in red states
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said that they want to keep abortion rights. but a lot of those voters, including white woman who everybody seems to talk about a lot electorally, they will still vote for republicans. we have seen this happen all over. they will vote and say i want to keep abortion rights, but they will elect republicans who want to take abortion rights. you've seen it in ohio, you saw it in florida. people say hey, felon should have the right to vote again, and yet you vote for the santas who is going to overturn the thing that you said you wanted. so democrats have to be smart about the fact you can motivate people insert policies are used to have great candidates in order to have the vote for the party. not just a policy. >> yeah, i agree. and i think you make a good point about democrats nationally and locally, which i want to go to jason on this. in georgia, the senate race, the debate drama continues with herschel walker saying he will debate senator raphael warnock but only on his terms. take a listen. >> i have agreed to two debates, and i've been turned down so now i found out that this election is not about debates, it is about the people. because it seems senator
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warnock does not want to explain his position to the georgia voters, or to myself. and you know he will be held accountable in the debate, so i think that he is scared and i have said to senator warren, don't be scared to get it in your backyard. so you will have the home field advantage and i think you're scared. >> listen, this can only be a gift to warnock. before you weigh, and i just wanna get a little bit of what you might here in this debate with -- flynn were not. take a listen. >> that is the problem that we have, and i said what we need to do is look into how we can start those things. he talked about doing it disinformation, what about getting a department i can look at young men that are looking at women, that are looking at their social media? >> now think about this, because it one time the science said man came from apes, did it on? if that is true, why are there still leaps?
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>> oh. my. god. i mean, herschel walker's unintelligent. that is not an opinion, that is a state of fact. that is evidenced by the fullest were just. heard jason, take it away. >> it is almost as if, and please forgive -- it's almost like you mix oz well bates would like most mel from fat albert. it's the most bizarre combination of conspiracies are not making any sense. it is strange, but here's the thing, we've had this discussion before. i'm very happy to see the reverend warnock is continuing to run a campaign, putting out commercials, talking about messages and everything else like that. because herschel walker is still performing at over 45% of the vote. >> this is still going to be close, even though this person appears to be massively incompetent. so i think it is also important as we talked about democrats giving money to republicans, you've gotta run every single race like her dad have points. because there are people who will vote for somebody who is
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clearly incapable of doing the job, and i'm proud to see the reverend warnock is still taking very seriously. i can't imagine what these debates are gonna be like. i would have my popcorn ready. i have no idea if it is gonna sound like a test pattern talking to the teacher in charlie brown, or will actually be intelligible. >> i'm going down there if this debate happens. you should go to, we will go down there. we can do our live from down there this debate. we are going to do this like we are at a boxing match. on the sidelines. read, i want to bring you into this conversation because what we saw happen this week it is what happened when somebody's got involved in part politics. whether dishonest are pushing for the pack tax for veterans, or 2 chainz who appeared up and land a city meeting just forgot about the nuisance ordinances. when it is everything about celebrities in politics because, before there are celebrities there taxpaying citizens. they deserve to have a voice just like everybody else, and they can use their power. and i think that oftentimes this could be a great thing. and i'm just curious your take on that. because a lot of people, sometimes i don't like it.
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and i don't know that celebrities always equate to votes, but they can certainly help elevate an issue. your take? i agree, tiffany. this is what i do for a living. i appreciate the question. i think at the end of the day it comes down to trust. at the end of the day it comes down to community. unfortunately, most americans have lost trust with institutions, broadly speaking. particularly governments, public officials and politicians. with grant -- which on stewart did is pretty remarkable. i don't think we give that guy enough credit. i'm a huge fan, i grew up on him. when he was able to do was focus on the issue. he knows that his voice is important. so what he did was use his voice to put a spotlight on those who need it. these veterans were not going to get these benefits. unless john stewart stood there and help these members of congress -- held them accountable. killer mike is another public
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fish -- figure out there. there's so few public figures, i won't even call them celebrities, tiffany. you don't need to be after. you could be a writer, a journalist. they put their own self on the line. their own platform on the line. millions of fans that they have, and put that spotlight on the people that deserve it. that's really the lesson here. i hope that people see wet john stewart did and we see a lot more of it because i don't see a lot of public figures doing this. kudos to john. >> this is all great. but i do wonder sometimes, celebrities get involved, like ice cube and his contract with black america. and killer mike, it was great that he was at the civil council meeting -- but i also remember the -- and i want to say her name, the black republican, the republicans like to bring out.
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sometimes they can go left when so celebrities are uninformed and get involved. i'm curious your thoughts. like i said, celebrities don't always equate to votes. you're thoughts on celebrity involvement? i'm happy to see it, but i'm curious how you can best use utilize it and make sure the informed. >> i think that's absolutely right. you have candidates in both parties you celebrities for fundraising, for elise, et cetera. whether that equates to votes, i'm not sure. it draws crowds more than anything else. it raises money. the difference you see here with john stewart's, this was an issue that was -- it wasn't necessarily getting attention in a very crowded media environment. he was able to lift it up. i'd like to see more celebrities. yes, while fund-raisers and events are important. i would like to see celebrities
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lift up important work. and call republicans out whenever they are voting against or not supporting a bill that is extremely important to veterans, for this example. it can go both ways. to your point, both parties need to figure out the best way to utilize celebrities, and this is a perfect example. i would put this in the democratic party's playbook moving forward, as they try to get things done, potentially with a split congress factor, after november. >> i remember when chance the rapper, and other rappers filed an amicus brief -- a lot of engagement. jason, i want to bring you in here. we would've had more time for you here, i've been told we have to go. you and i will pick up this conversation on our ig live, after the show my friend. don't get busy, i'll see you in a little bit. thank you brad, jason for being here. coming up the senate passes a
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small police departments with $250 million passed the senate with unanimous consent. some critics, like the leadership conference on civil and human rights say there's not enough transparency for law enforcement on how to spend the money. joining me now is dr. phillips -- founder and ceo of the center for policing equity and chair of african american studies at yale university. philip, i was so interested in your thoughts on this. i want to talk to you on the air, earlier this week. this is one of those legislative things that seems to be slipping under the radar for too many people. can you break down what exactly the spill with do, and why we should be potentially concerned about it. ? >> this is the senate version of a couple of bills that are going around. there's house versions of the same that would give more money to small departments to hire and train more officers. in both versions, the house version said the senate version, there's some encouragement to
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collect some data to see if maybe they are racist, if they want. what i mean by that is that in the senate version of the bill, the language is, hey, we'd love you to collect some data on racial discrimination and what you're doing, but understand that small departments are small and it's hard to collect data. maybe if you feel like it's too difficult, it's just an advisement. this is part of a pattern. not just in the current moment, but throughout our history. i'm going to take us back briefly to 1968 when the kirner commission came out, after a bunch of uprisings in direct response to police violence and racism. the commission said black people are upset because police engage in racist violence and we don't invest in communities made up of the descendants of formerly enslaved people. if you want to stop violence and inner cities, we have to invest. fast forward about 30 years, early 1990s, we have the same thing after the l.a. uprisings.
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the clinic commission, and the early 90s, with the federal government did was say, we'll do a little bit of an investment, we'll do a little bit of police professionalize station. with that turned into was much less investment, much more police representation. a lot of policing, and nothing in those communities. almost nothing in those communities. there is incremental progress on police accountability, almost nothing for community investment that prevents the need for crisis in the first place, and a huge expansion of our criminal punishment systems. i'm very glad that the votes on the house side at least, many people are skeptical on the senate side -- there saying we don't want to repeat these mistakes yeah, that's kind of my point. it's kind of wild to of history me that. coming up a pandemic, on the verge of a possible recession, rampant unemployment especially within the black community, that the answer to increased violence is more policing. and there has been increased violence. you know, to be honest, we have
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seen an increase in crime. more than 75% of voters in 2020 were committed with a firearm. maybe we should have a gun control conversation. there has been a steady increase in mass shootings. again, maybe we should focus on guns. but again the focus seems to be how can we police communities. i remember the crime bill. you and i are similar age i believe. and i remember, there were black mothers and grandmothers and, a lot of black folks saying hey, i don't care you have to do but cleanup this community but my because my kid has to walk to school. or i am raising my grandchild because my daughter got a drugs. and they were asking, they didn't realize that they were asking that system that oppressors and crushes them to save them. and that does not always work. and i think i see a lot of that now, where people get nervous about this defund the police mantra that it is not a democratic policy, but a slogan from some activists. what are some ways that defund the police could apply, and make communities safer? >> yeah, you know it is interesting because you go back to the 90s and that ramp up the
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crime bill, and i think it is important in history because one of the people that took the most credit of the crime bill van is in the white house right now. so we should make sure that we don't repeat those mistakes. but as much as people were saying, hey, i need whoever can save my baby on the street, they were black leaders even then saying, but you have to hold folks accountable. they were just asking for more police they, were asking for less racist police. they're asking for community investment. it just never made the news, and it only never made policy. so at this moment, where we are sort of reckoning with two years since the launch of defund as a slogan, i think that we need to pay attention to not what activists are calling for defunding, that we should be paying attention activists, but for governments defunding currently. let's keep in mind, departments were not offended since topped 2020. police budgets have increased since 2020. but in texas, in some rural parts, they are moving to a four-day school week. in florida, they are asking for veterans, who have no teaching credentials to move into
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schools. so we are actively defunding schools, just without the slogan. we are actively defunding our mental health resources, our substance abuse resources, and our resources for homeless folks. do you know what that will lead to? more folks in situations where they will need to call it for crisis, which will lead to people saying oh we need police for this. this is not something you can't predict. when you take away the resources from the most vulnerable, you are going to end up with more crises. when you have with more crises, you can either solve the root problem, or you can pay for people to feed it up and make sure you don't see it. that is what we found police to do. we should stop doing that. >> yes, absolutely. and as we go to break, the left, i could talk to you all afternoon. but as we go to break, i just wanna remind folks how trump supporters feel about a law enforcement. take a look at the january six footage. and see these so-called blue lives matter folks beat up a police officer on capitol hill. and i also undermine people that police were on both sides of the barricade that day. and that is why people are not
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means for america. i cannot wait to dive into this book, being the renowned of sports experts that i am. and i am very curious to have a discussion with jason. jason, thanks for being here. you are making across connection debut, congratulations on your. but i'm looking for to reading. it curious your thoughts. do you think a six game suspension was a fair punishment? > sorry forgot to unmute. >> it's okay. it's just live tv, it's fine. thank you for having me, and thank you for what you do. it's very important. i think -- more importantly the nfl wasn't enough. the personal conduct policy, there doesn't have to be a conviction, they don't have to be charges filed. deshaun watson, two grand juries in houston declined to indict him. the disciplinary officer ruled that his behavior was a
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beaches. basically because of precedent, she didn't think she could give more than six games, while the league did appeal and i did expect the league to appeal. i do believe that more harsher disciplinary action will be handed down. that does happen. will be headed to federal court. >> the latest reporting is that deshaun watson nixed a settlement that -- from the nfl that would've suspended him for less than a year. now the punishment could be worse. i'm curious the backstory and with the punishment that might look like that could come out from the nfl, because it could be harsher now? >> if the appeals officer does hand down a tougher punishment, we know with the lead once. the league want something that resembles a year and a very hefty fine. deshaun watson has the greatest guarantee contract in the history of the nfl. he's guaranteed 200 and $50 million. when we talk about what a fine
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might look like, something in the range of between five and $10 million, probably. if the appeals officer does go harder, i really do believe that deshaun watson and the nfl pa would go to federal court. >> i want to play a soundbite from one of deshaun watson accusers, because a lot of people have a lot of strong opinions about this. my colleague did such great reporting on this for hbo real sports. after watching that segment, you do understand women a little bit better. take a listen to one of his accusers, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> what do the actions of the nfl say to little girls who have suffered at the hands of someone perceived to have power. that it's not a big deal? they don't care? tough shit? that's would've taken from the actions so instead of let my actions say something different to those little girls.
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no matter how scary, big, or powerful someone may seem, they are just humans. and like all humans, we all have the right to have our voices heard. >> i'm gonna be talking to her in the next block, i want to ask you, as a man,, particularly as a black man, i've heard so much vitriol about women coming out when they make these accusations. it's challenging to explain, but if something is not a full yes, i want to do this, yes, please address in my presence, then anything beyond that is predatory behavior. it breaks my heart to see my brethren on the opposite divide of this. so many folks who attack these women, and women who attacked the women, it's just baffling to me. i'm curious why you think that is? >> well, how much time do we
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have here to go into the history of american misogyny? that's the thing, the reality of it is there are credible claims made against deshaun watson. the initial six game suspension, the optics of that were horrible. when you see the two grand juries that declined to indict, that doesn't mean that there isn't something here that's actually reprehensible. sue robinson, the disciplinary officer actually ruled -- handing out the e -- of six games, said it was egregious. the nfl is in a horrible position. it looks horrible right now. we will have to push forward to get something that looks more like justice. i don't know what that is. but again, tiffany, from that point we're going to go to federal court if he's hit with a bigger disciplinary action. >> you know, you have to come back, i am curious why there are so few black quarterbacks in the league, but i suppose, if i want that answer i just
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have to read your book, and i hope other people read your book as well. perhaps joined me on ig so we can talk in more detail about that. i have a lot of strong opinions about the treatment of the black players that make up 70% of the league. thanks so much jason, i look forward to have you back. after the break, the backlash of victims of sexual assault face, the founder of the eu movement joins me next. you don't want to miss this important discussion with that here that you see on the screen, right after the break. se your kidney health could depend on what you do today. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga is a pill that works in the kidneys to help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men,
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for me, have been a very trying time. the whole situation has been emotionally and mentally taxing. i've received multiple death threats had angry people push me in public, and i've had hundreds of not thousands of people say terrible and vital things about me on the internet. >> so again that was ashley solis, one of the first women to accused deshaun watson of sexual abuse. even though a judge found her claims believable, enough to suspend the quarterback for six games, the court of public opinion among some of you often don't care about facts. women's who have the women -- courage to come forward are routinely threatened. joining me to talk about this is tarana burke founder of me
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too international. a friend, thank you so much for being here. we talked about deshaun watson the last segment. there's a lot of backlash that accusers have from r. kelly to bill cosby, and even deshaun watson. not a creating these three situations, they're all different. but still reprehensible. why do you think so many women face this level of backlash. i have to say the most heartbreaking part is the backlash often comes from people who look like you and me. that means black man, but it also means a lot of women, as well. >> people have a hard time understanding the breadth of sexual violence in this country. a lot of it is because we don't talk enough about when it is to be a survivor, and when a survivor looks like, what it feels like. oftentimes we understand sexual violence as it's presented to us on television, and television shows. if the victim, the person responsible doesn't meet a particular standard, then we dismiss it.
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we individualize survivors, the violence that they experience, and it doesn't fit what we see on law and order, if it -- if the person doesn't have the criteria that we set, then we dismiss it. oftentimes, we don't understand how difficult it is. we look at this woman talking about two and a half years of being harassed, coming forward about her personal trauma. we can all understand what this means. there is no reward in coming forward and talking about one of the worst things that ever happened to you. and yet we demonize people for just having a voice. >> it's very disheartening to see, you know. i have a lot of these conversations with men and i think the disconnect, you know, there's always, will they must of been after money, or they wanted fame. you know tarana, this woman -- she's not getting fame, she's getting infamy.
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she's not getting a new lifestyle, she's getting her life threatened. i wonder for the man who see things like that, or say things like that, what's their message to them? >> i think that people have to understand if your life gets turned upside down, people will not remember this -- deshaun watson's will go on to live forever. he's a famous football player. we remember him. if you took a survey and ask people, ask people about the metoo movement, they will instantly name the people who are accused. they will talk about weinstein, they will talk about r. kelly, they will talk about all the men. ask them who are their accusers? even celebrities? people have a hard time naming the people who came forward. those people are not famous. we forget the survivors. we forget the people who come forward. there is no fame in it. there's no money. you know, beyond the five minute spotlight that you get when you come forward, these peoples lives are forever
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turned upside down just trying to get some kind of accountability, some kind of semblance of their power back. so people need to understand -- take a look at it. look at the last five years. if people can name me ten, even five of the women, or the man, or any of the people who came forward, or the accusers, namely r. kelly's accusers, erwin seems, or bill cosby's accusers? you don't know they're names, but you know the people who were accused. that gives you an idea of what you're -- what we're talking about. there is no money in this. that's the reality of it. >> look, you and i both know, we can acknowledge the ugly racial history of accusations made towards black man. we know would happen to them. we're not ignorant to that. yet we still stand in solidarity as often as we can. you mentioned the r. kelly abuser. i so often want to say to black
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men in particular, somebody, anybody, sing a black mural some. there were black women impacted by this. i want to honor that, take a listen to one of r. kelly's accusers. and then i've a question for you after. take a listen. >> does it feel like a victory at all? honestly it doesn't. him being in jail, it doesn't stop by life from moving forward. it doesn't stop my life being attached to him. it's never gonna stop the backlash. if anything it worsens it. since he's in jail, it's a whole bunch of angry fans. it hasn't gotten any better. >> these are some of the comments i've heard. r. kelly got all that time just for that? what about the parents? the parents should have, could have, they're at fault. these women seem to be willing participants in whatever was happening? it really discusses -- disgusts me. what would support look like. if they supported us as much as we support them. even these conversations, you had me will be accused of
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talking about a black man. not supporting black man. how can we get beyond that to understand each other and understand our respect opinion and what's happening to some of these victims out there? >> listen, black women have the second highest rate of sexual violence in the country. black women experience the second highest rate of sexual violence in this country. that's at the hands of other black people. it's also the hands of law enforcement. we need to look at the reality of what that is in this country. we need to change the conversation. it's not about vilifying blackmon, it's about understanding the trauma that black women are experiencing. the numbers don't lie. that's the reality. we need to have real conversations about why this is happening, and how we can change it. we don't have to vilify blackmon to do that. actually, if we love, if we really believe that black lives matter, then we need to look at
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the lives and the livelihood of black women. because black women are at the heart of the black family. if we really want to talk about how we're going to extend the lives of black people in this country, then we have to look at how we lift up the lives of black women. that includes sexual violence -- we have to look at how sexual violence is a social justice issue. if we believe that and really want to extend the lives of black people, and sexual violence is right at the heart. we have to change the conversation. this is not about demonizing blackmon. all black men are not villains. all black women -- you know, so this is not the conversation we need to have. we need to talk about why this violence is happening and how we can change it. >> yeah, and listen there are many people who are accused, but i want to have this conversation because so many of my conversations around the subject are with blackmon, about these particular a about black man in these situations. believe me, i haven't forgotten about the harvey weinstein's of
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the world by any means. but i want to talk about our community for a second. the most disheartening is when the women joined that chorus. get on the right side of history, sis, cause it's not a pretty journey for the folks. >> i'll say this, to, the patriarchy effects everyone. it's not just black man, it's black women to. the first person we encounter is a woman when this happens to us. that's the message that we get first. so all of us have to get it right. >> absolutely, thank you so much tarana, for not only being here today, what you've done for this movement, what you've done for this country, you've given a voice to so many people who didn't previously have when. i know it's a saturday for you, thank you for sharing your time with me, thank you my sister. coming up next, i'll speak with writer and podcast man van lengthen. we're gonna talk about his new memoir. we'll talk about all the issues that he talks about.
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americans have struggled to keep their mental and physical health in check. full of social media fats and fake pictures of happiness, and always those also important filters. it can seem impossible.
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in his latest book, my next guest takes him on his journey to achieve a healthy lifestyle by cutting through the noise. he goes through the reasons through his struggles, his personal relationships, and the realities of living as a black man. very happy to bring to the cross connection, author van lathan. he is the author of fat, crazy, and tired: tales from the trenches of transformation he's also co-host of the podcast higher learning. van, so happy to have you here. this is their first time sharing the screen together. your book is really great. we often think about -- here about body issues for females, but the same is true for man. i'm curious about how we view men's physical appearances? >> great question, happy to be here. i think for a man, a lot of times, there's a different -- a double whammy there. in that, we are taught that we can't express the feelings that we have about our bodies. we are told that you have to
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man up and get over it. all the classic clichés about toxic -- toxic manhood that permeate our -- culture. we are dealing with it. i don't wanna talk about the sisters that deal with this, because they have their own issues. but you feel doubly week. you feel weak that you can't control yourself to get your body right, but you also feel weak because people are telling you that having a motions is weak. you end up walking through life kind of, like, wanting to hide inside of your own shadow. it's not a great way to live at all. >> yeah, well you look healthy and great. we're seeing photos of you on the screen right now. congrats. but even outside of your physical challenges they've been some professional growth, professional changes from you, remember that confrontation between you and kanye on tmz. i remember watching that feeling thankful that someone made the points that you did. i'm curious, if you ever talk to your old colleagues at tmz?
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i've seen you flex on them on the gram. i'm here for the petty, my friend. but what's your relationship like with those folks, now? >> it's not really a relationship. i still talked to a couple of people from the office, but the way things are there is it's a very contained reality. it's a very contained place. people come and go all the time. when you're there you move along with it. if they are talking to me, it's probably something that they would want to keep seeing -- but i don't know how popular i am over there right now. >> after you won an oscar, i would imagine that you'd be the person that they're rolling up on at l.a.x.. but congrats on your oscar. that was really dope. i wanted to talk to you about the celebrity ex -- obsess culture. everybody wants to be a solid, everyone wants to build an empire, people are famous for nothing. people follow these celebrities
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and try to look like these airbrushed pictures. well walking run looking like mannequins these days, it seems. just curious on your take on the celebrity obsessed culture that we live in, how can we change that? get off social media and connect with each other in real life again? >> well, obviously, honestly, it's not gonna change. i've seen it only getting worse from here. that's the track that were on. if anything, the pandemic should have taught us to prioritize the time that we spend with the presence of people. seeing their love, laughter, watching them smile. but when that was over, we got right back to what we do. i literally think that the celebrity obsessed culture that we're in right now is going to ruin our culture. it's going to make every single connection that we have synthetic. and, as we see, it's affecting every single part of our lives, on to the political -- every two days i have to hear
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about some actor who's decided to dip their toe into the realm of politics. it gets harder for public servants who devoted their lives to this, to make inroads, to have expertise. it's tough, i think it's a bad thing. but unfortunately, i don't see it going anywhere. i'm sorry to have helped create. it [laughs] >> in the process you've helped to create this important conversation about your own mental and physical health which we get into in your book. unfortunately we're out of time. but van, i want to tell you, twitter is blowing up. van is on the cross connection. i'm going out to buy his book. i hope that you're not always busy on saturdays, i would love to have you back on the show. we could have more time to talk about all the other topics are skilled on weighing in on. promised we'll come back. >> i definitely will come back. it's a pleasure to be on -- with you, here. i'm a huge, huge fan. >> thank you so much, van,
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likewise my brother. thank you for being here. go off and enjoy the city that you are. i know where you are. have some good time, and check some oysters for me. coming up tomorrow, jonathan capehart will speak of secretary of energy jennifer granholm, that's tomorrow at 10 am eastern on nbc msnbc. thank you at home, i'll be back next sunday at 10 am eastern. but stay tuned -- right after this break, we shall see there. to make the most o
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