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made to do anything so you can do anything. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. i think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in mar-a-lago. people say this was unprecedented? well, it is also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay? and how long is the government going to try to get that back? they jawboned for a year. they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. they then went and got a subpoena. they were deceived on that, they feel. and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. how long, you know, do they wait? >> former attorney general bill
barr, who did much of donald trump's bidding during the russia investigation, defends the fbi decision to seize classified documents from the former president's florida estate. this as we learn more about what was found in the search, including dozens of empty folders marked "classified." plus, the former president sharpens his attacks against federal law enforcement, calling the fbi and doj, quote, vicious monsters, while warning of unprecedented backlash. how will his supporters interpret that? and president biden hits the campaign trail this labor day, visiting two key battleground states, pennsylvania and wisconsin, both union strongholds. we'll have a preview of his holiday campaign events. good morning. it is monday, september 5th. welcome to a special labor day edition of "morning joe." i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your holiday with us. we now have a clearer account of what the fbi seized from former
president donald trump's mar-a-lago home in palm beach, florida, after a federal judge unsealed a more detailed inventory list of items on friday. in addition to the troves of information marked top secret, secret and classified, the fbi search turned up more than 40 empty folders with classified banners on them. but it is unclear what happened to the information that had been inside those folders. they also found almost four dozen empty folders marked return to staff secretory, military aid. the search turned up 11,000 u.s. government documents and photographs without classification markings. they were found mixed in with classified material in boxes and containers in trump's office and a storage room. it's important to note, seven documents marked top secret were found in trump's office, as well as 17 documents marked secret, and three were marked
confidential. that's significant because trump's attorneys told investigators that all the records that came from the white house were being kept in a mar-a-lago storage room, which agents had asked to be kept secure. that's according to the government's court filings. a spokesperson for trump issued a statement on twitter about the expanded inventory list. quote, the new detailed inventory list only further proves that this unprecedented and unnecessary raid of president trump's home was not some surgical, confined search and retrieval that the biden administration claims, it was a smash and grab. these document disputes should be resolved under the presidential records act, which requires cooperation and negotiation by the national archives and records administration, not an armed fbi raid. trump held his first rally since the fbi search of his home this weekend. he campaigned in pennsylvania saturday and, unsurprisingly, used much of his speech to
attack the fbi and his political opponents. he also claimed there would be, quote, backlash, which given trump's history, could be interpreted as a warning of violence. >> the fbi and the justice department have become vicious monsters, controlled by radical left scoundrels, lawyers, and the media, who tell them what to do, you people right there, and when to do it. they're trying to silence me and, more importantly, they are trying the to silence you. but we will not be silenced. right? very dishonest, sick people. very dishonest people. americans are sick of the lies, sick of the hoaxes and scams, and, above all, sick of the hypocrisy. but our opponents have badly
miscalculated this egregious abuse of the law is going to produce a backlash the likes of which nobody has ever seen before. >> a warning of violence or perhaps an incitement to violence. joining us to talk about this is former u.s. attorney joyce vance, legal analyst, and national political reporter for "the washington post," michael szczur. thanks for being with us on this holiday. joyce, let's start with you. we have a more detailed inventory of what the fbi seized from mar-a-lago last month. you looked through it. what stands out most to you? >> so what stands out, jonathan, is when doj evaluates whether to prosecute cases that involve mishandling of classified materials, they're always looking for a plus factor. it is typically more than straight up mishandling. the inventory provides further
evidence of everything the president did. there are massive quantities of documents. this isn't just two or three items. most troubling here, in addition to the notion there was obstruction, that there was a willful effort to prevent the government in reclaiming classified materials, we now see that, in addition to mishandling, we have items missing from folders, items intermangled with classified material, which amps up the risk that it could somehow spoil out into the public or other hands. so we see increasing idisha, that the top secret information, if it were to be released in an unauthorized fashion, could do grave damage to the national security. it was handled in a cavalier fashion across literally hundreds of pages of documents. and, you know, you don't like as a prosecutor to evaluate whether you're going to take a case
before you've looked at all of the evidence, including evidence that is favorable to a defendant. but simply looking at this evidence, the massive body that's now public, let alone what doj has that's private, it becomes increasingly clear that this is the type of case that doj will consider very seriously for prosecution. >> michael, we just played a little bit from the former president's rally over the weekend in pennsylvania. it was a big crowd, and loud when he condemned the fbi's search of mar-a-lago. we've heard him do this before. most of his, frankly, rallies are about their own personal grievances and little about the candidates he is there to support. what struck out to you here? how much of a tinderbox is this right now? >> i mean, in that crowd, it's quite a tinderbox. there wasn't really a person in the whole arena who didn't have some sort of trump paraphernalia on, who wasn't there for him, despite the presence of the
other candidates. i think, you know, we will see going forward what effect this has in the midterms. there is an odd moment now where both president biden and former president trump have the same message, which is, let's talk about president trump. the president is hoping that this peels off some republican voters from the former president, and the former president is hoping to bring home republican voters to candidates like mehmet oz who haven't solidified the republican base in places like pennsylvania. we just don't know where it'll go next. >> yeah, white house aides told me over the weekend they think that any day, the conversation is about trump, it's a good day for them because of how toxic and polarizing he is right now with the midterms looming. on that note, top justice department officials faced major questions as november
approaches, whether to temporarily scale back work in criminal investigations involving former president trump. according to new reporting in "the new york times," the doj is worried about the so-called 60-day rule. it is an unwritten rule in which the department tries to avoid taking action in the lead-up to elections to avoid the possibility of influencing democracy. trump, of course, is not on the ballot this year, but he is still the most significant member of the republican party, endorsed most of their senate candidates, and it is unclear whether the 60-day rule applies to a high-profile political figure who is not technical a candidate in the coming election. this thursday marks 60 days from the midterms. "the times" reports a spokesperson declined to comment on the matter. joyce, i want you to weigh in here. former president trump not on the ballot but, in many ways, is all over the ballot. he shadows this entire race. what's your assessment? what would be the appropriate course of action from the doj?
>> so as you point out, jonathan, this is an unwritten rule that the 60-day rule is something every prosecutor is aware of. i spent 25 years at doj. during many election years, not a surprise, we had open investigations on people who were going to be on the ballot, either in the primary or the general. and the way the rule was typically understood in u.s. attorneys offices across the country, as well as at main justice in washington, was that it meant you didn't take any overt steps, steps in an investigation that would become public, during that 60-day dpras grace period for a candidate on the ballot. it is, of course, an unwritten rule. in thinking how to apply it here, rather than adhering to the strict contours of what was always understood about candidates on the ballot, doj will have to consider the purpose of the rule, which is to avoid interfering in fluening e
any way. i think there is an awfully good argument to say trump doesn't fall within this rule because he is not on the ballot in this campaign. but folks at doj appreciate that the country, in many ways, is a powder keg. they'll want to think through this carefully. one way they might ultimately decide to split the baby here is to be very careful about taking overt steps, steps that would become public in their investigation, like searching another location. at the same time, that doesn't keep them from beginning or continuing to work internally, and that might even include -- we don't know yet whether they'll get here -- but it could include beginning the process of drafting indictments or working with witnesses who might provide helpful information, even including speaking with some of the folks around trump who could possibly have liability for what went on at mar-a-lago and finding ways to move the case
forward without doing it in a public fashion. >> of course, any discussion of the unwritten rule causes screams from hillary clinton's campaign and supporters because, of course, james comey's decision to reopen her investigation into her emails just ten days or so before the 2016 election. michael, i want to turn to your new piece, which you co-authored. "trump nots aggressive midterm strategy seen in gop as a double-edged sword." walk us through what you found. >> like i said, republicans all cycle have been running on a dual mission. they have to hold the trump voters who turned out in 2020, and that includes a lot of former democrats, white working class voters who don't normally vote, and they have to find a way to win over the swing voters who are just unhappy with biden but also unhappy with trump. those are two different messages. trump is very good at doing the first. he is very bad at doing the
second. you have these odd situations where, i mean, in pennsylvania over the weekend, you had a number of candidates attending -- getting cheers from trump who have rewritten their websites to take away some of the mentions of the former president because they're trying not to scare away these voters in pennsylvania who don't support the former president. this is exactly the strategy we see democrats leaning into. it's a divide and conquer strategy. they believe by going after what they call maga republicans, they're going after swing voters, independents who are unhappy with the current president, and they're trying to remind them they don't like the former president either. that's the referendum they should be voting on, not a referendum on biden. a referendum of former president trump. >> certainly, this search and its fallout has become one of the defining issues of the
midterms, along with inflation and the decision to overturn roe v. wade by the supreme court. michael, thank you so much for joining us this morning. also, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, one of our favorite people, joyce vance, thank you, as well. uvalde schools will reopen tomorrow for the first time since the deadly shooting at robb elementary, which took the lives of 19 children and 2 teachers. the school district is installing new fencing, new door locks, and over 500 security cameras. officers and staff are also required to take part in specific police training. in addition, the district is partnering with telehealth and non-profit services to connect children with mental health services. "wall street journal" reports a new of parents say they've lost trust in the school district for not providing enough accountability as evidence came out about the response to the massacre, including that law
enforcement waited outside of the classroom while victims were bleeding to death for more than an hour. over the weekend, members of the houston texans football team visited uvalde, surprising the high school football team at dinner and picking up the tab. the nfl team hosted camps and attended the high schoolers' first game friday night. they wore stickers on the helmets which read, uvalde strong. the uvalde team won their opener. meanwhile, a man hunt is under way in canada after a mass stabbing yesterday that left at least ten people dead and 15 others hospitalized. the stabbing spree occurred in an indigenous community and nearby village in canada's saskatchewan province. canadian police identified two suspects in connection with the crimes. police say they're armed and dangerous and may be traveling in a black nissan rogue. there is no information about a motive at this time. this is among one of the deadliest mass killings in canadian history.
still ahead on "morning joe," in just over an hour, the united kingdom will know who their next prime minister will be. we'll go live to london with what to expect. plus, we'll get a live report from ukraine after europe's largest nuclear power plant lost connection to its main power over the weekend. later, a trump white house insider reveals in a brand-new pbs documentary how the then president admitted he had lost to joe biden, then clearly went in a completely different direction. you're watching "morning joe." we'll get to all that and so much more. we'll be right back.
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of several scandals. the ruling conservative party is set to announce the results of its leadership election around 12:30 p.m. local time, which is 7:30 a.m. for those of us on the east coast of the united states. foreign secretary liz truss and chancellor rishi sunak are the contenders. they'll find out which has been chosen by members as their country faces a significant cost of living crisis. the winner will be formally appointed prime minister by the queen tomorrow. then they'll begin the process o appointing ministers to their own new cabinet. in july, johnson was forced to step down after a series of scandals caused his party to revolt. johnson will remain in office until the transfer of power is fully complete. joining us from london is senior international correspondent keir simmons. morning, keir. give us a sense here, what is this going to look like, how this gets announced, and what is the chatter as to who is going
to win? >> reporter: as you say, we expect the announcement in around an hour's time. the two candidates likely to found out about ten minutes beforehand. it'll happen in this westminster conference center. jonathan, it's a little like a primary. it is the person, not the party, that is changing. it is a little like a primary there, except for the general election already decided. to put it another way, it is like president biden resigns but kamala harris doesn't immediately become president. the democratic party gets to have a primary to decide who the next president will be. that is the british system. then tomorrow, there will be a constitutional moment, unprecedented in the reign of queen elizabeth ii. the prime minister and then the new prime minister will go all the way to scotland, not to buckingham palace just a few streets from here, because of the health challenges the queen
has been facing. so that will be some pomp and ceremony, if you like. that's the political. for the new prime minister, who we do expect to be liz truss, britain's third female prime minister, who has been compared to margaret thatcher, we see her facing some enormous challenges. you could say just as margaret thatcher did back in the early 1980s. because, of course, there is the inflation challenge here that you are seeing there. some talk here of inflation reaching 20%. already, there is talk of the new prime minister, liz truss, bringing in a 100 billion pound, probably around $120 billion, package to stop businesses going bust. jonathan, there is even talk that british pubs up and down the country will have to close their doors and shut down over the winter because they simply can't afford to heat their pubs.
in germany, $26 billion package also being proposed. you're seeing the impact of that war in ukraine across europe, and i think you're going to see that for the new prime minister, jonathan. >> boris johnson, outgoing prime minister, upset by a number of scandals but received high marks for his support of kyiv. he repeatedly visited zelenskyy. uk, a firm ally along with the united states for the war in ukraine. what has liz truss, who is expected to emerge victorious, what she has said about the british effort to continue to back the war effort? >> reporter: she's been firm that she will continue the policy of boris johnson, in support of ukraine. remember, while britain is seeing gas prices go up, they don't take gas from russia. earlier this year, as foreign secretary met with the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov, he described it like talking to a deaf person. i don't think you'll see much
change there. frankly, much as you're seeing in the u.s., a lot of the challenges for this new prime minister are going to be domestic. certainly, initially. there is potentially an economic crisis coming here in the uk. certainly, the bank of england predicting a drawn out recession. there is concerns about the value of the pound. you're seeing it drop in relation to the dollar, getting cheaper and cheaper. good time to come here for a vacation. not necessarily a good time for the britain people looking ahead. >> i'll look into air fare to london soon. keir, one more. we know liz truss certainly inheriting a lot. you mentioned it, the inflation crisis, potential covid waves down the road. what happens now to boris johnson? a larger than life, if dishevelled figure, whose tumultuous reign ends on a note of scandal. what is next for him in his political life? >> reporter: yeah, boris
johnson's prime ministership, remember, he got an enormous wave of support at the last election, is not being painted in positive colors, honestly. there is now, though -- he is the great survivor. there is now, though, talk he may wait in the wings and perhaps look for another opportunity to be prime minister. i think that gives you a picture of the atmosphere here politically, with so many challenges looking ahead. i think for boris johnson, this will be a very difficult political moment. the man who not always accurately has been compared to president trump will be packing his bags now. in that very cutthroat nature of british politics, tomorrow in downing street, you'll see him thrown out and the new prime minister brought in, in pretty short order. >> i do suspect, though, we probably have not seen the last of boris johnson. nbc's keir simmons, thank you so much. we'll check back later on when we have a result there in
london. let's turn now to the war in ukraine, where shelling near europe's largest nuclear plant continues despite the presence of a team of united nations inspectors. the plant lost its main connection to the power grid on saturday as a result of attacks the day before. forcing it to use lower voltage reserve line to power the cooling equipment needed to prevent any disasters. both russia and ukraine blamed each other for the shelling. the chief of the u.n. agency says the power line is being deliberately targeted. he also said, as of now, only one of the six reactors is functioning. the u.n.'s investigative team currently on site is likely to present its report on the status of the plant sometime this week. meanwhile, the united states ambassador to russia, john sullivan, is leaving his post in moscow. sullivan was appointed by president trump in 2019 but was asked to stay on by president biden. sullivan has spent 40 years in
public service, including serving as deputy secretary of state, as well as senior positions in the department of justice, defense, and commerce. his departure comes as the russian invasion of ukraine drags on. disputes over detained americans in russia go unresolved. elizabeth root, the deputy chief at the embassy, will take over until a successor is appointed and confirmed. coming up, we've got a lot more on the search of mar-a-lago, including how documents not found at the former president's home could be the most concerning of all. we'll explain that right ahead. your projects done right
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department of justice's investigation into the classified materials at former president trump took with him to his florida home and golf club after he left the white house. friday, a federal judge unsealed a more detailed inventory list of item, giving us a clearer account of what the fbi seized. included until the seized items details were empty, classified folders. also, we have house minority leader kevin mccarthy making good on his promise to investigate attorney general merrick garland in the wake of the search. the gop letter sent a letter to the ag, requesting he testify before the house judiciary committee. the notice is also signed by the ranking members of the judiciary intel and oversight committees. in the letter, mccarthy writes, in part, this, in these extraordinary circumstances, the doj is proceeding in a manner that is eroding public trust and confidence. the republicans are also asking for fbi director christopher
wray to appear. some of the republican criticism of the department of justice quieted in recent days. kevin mccarthy has an audience of one, donald trump. nicholas wu joins me on set. great to see you. let's start with what we learned the end of last week, about the search of mar-a-lago. we have a more detailed list of the inventory. we're also still waiting for a decision on the special master. what should we expect to learn in the days ahead? >> well, we might learn more about the folders. we don't know whether there was any files taken out of the folders at some point. all we know is that there were these dozens of folders marked -- empty folders marked classified among the documents taken from mar-a-lago. we might learn a bit more there. as for the special master, we're waiting on a ruling from the federal judge. we know, based on the arguments last week in court, she did seem somewhat inclined to provide
some restraints on the federal search of the documents. at the same time, the fbi has already gone through a lot of them. it remains to be seen what effect that'd actually have. >> so the empty folders, those on the right, a number of trump's allies, including his eldest son, took that to mean, hey, what's the problem here? look, they're empty. shouldn't we view it the other way? if there are empty folders, what happened to the documents? >> right, that's exactly it. we don't know whether exactly there were documents that were in there at some point that were possibly also classified, but it is a real possibility. not to mention the fact there were empty folders among the set marked return to staff secretary or military aid. those mightclassified, but it w go back to the staff secretary, to go back through him and the rest of the white house for possible implementation. >> we mentioned the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, called the attorney general to testify.
is that going to happen? what are the republicans looking to accompany letter mccarthy se, they don't have the power to compel the attorney general and other doj officials to testify. you know, it is a very nice letter they sent out. at the same time, this shows what republicans are likely to do if they take the house majority next year. then they'll be able to compel the testimony of top federal officials. it shows, you know, they want to, in some ways, investigate the investigators, if it comes to it. >> related, the january 6th committee, which, of course, we've heard from some of their members in recent days, saying what we've learned about mar-a-lago is further proof that donald trump is unfit to serve, though, of course, not directly tied to what they are doing. but it is now september. it is labor day. tomorrow, in many ways, begins the unofficial kick-off of fall. we had heard from the committee
that this is -- the fall is when we're going to start hearing from them again, including some more hearings. what's the latest on a potential timetable? >> we're expecting a few more hearings from them this month, but the actual contents have been closely held. but we did see the committee take its first public action last week, in many weeks, since the end of the august recess, when they called newt gingrich, the former house speaker, to testify. in doing so, they revealed they had even more emails and messages they hadn't shown us yet. so this is the kind of thing we can probably expect to see from the committee once they come back, once they do more hearings, and once they start rolling out their final report. >> labor day, unofficial start of fall and also the unofficial start of the stretch run to the midterm campaigns. to mark that, president biden is going to visit two battleground states today. he is going to travel to wisconsin and pennsylvania to deliver remarks at labor day celebration events. in pennsylvania, the president is expected to meet with senate candidate john fetterman.
unclear if he'll meet with wisconsin's democratic nominee, barnes. this week ago, biden's schedule will collide with the itineraries of three democratic senate candidates in crucial races, testing whether they view him as a liability or strength to their campaign. nicholas, the president, a few months ago, seemed like democrats were running away from him. his poll numbers were really low. inflation was a real issue. they felt like there could be a blood bath in the house, and they didn't want anything to do with joe biden. calculations have changed. democrats have a lot of momentum right now. some outside of their control. the supreme court decision on abortion electrified some of their base. they have the white house and those on the other side of the pennsylvania avenue putting together impressive acts. what is the current thinking, whether or not they want to stand next to president biden? >> democrats i talked to are
okay with standing by the president now. i think that's the difference. a few more percentage points improvement in biden's poll numbers and these legislative wins. we've seen the gains in poll numbers came from independents that previously had gone away from the president. democrats i've talked to are pretty confident that even if this doesn't mean they'll keep the house this fall, they're more likely to keep the senate and will limit losses in the house. >> the president's appearance in pennsylvania, labor day parade in pittsburgh. it's a totum for him. he marched there in 2015 when mulling a white house bid. opted against that one. he marched there again in 2018, mulling be white house bid. that time, he took the plunge and, of course, was elected. what will you will looking for from him today, any clues he might drop? >> i'll be looking to see how he continues this potential general election messaging heading into the last few month of the midterm elections. we saw the white house taking
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i tried. i wish i played a little bit better. thank you, daddy. i know you're watching. thanks, mom. oh, my god. it all started with my parents, and they deserve everything so i'm really grateful for them. oh, my god. these are happy tears, i guess. i don't know. and i wouldn't be -- i wouldn't be serena if there wasn't venus. thank you, venus. it's been the most incredible ride and journey i've ever been on, i mean, in my life, and i'm just so grateful to every single person that's ever said "go serena" in their life. i'm just so grateful because -- yeah. you got me here.
>> really, really nice. the 23-time grand slam champion first discussed her impending farewell in an essay published by "vogue" last month. asked friday night whether see might consider, williams said, "i don't think so, but you never know." if this was the end, it was a remarkable final run in queens for serena williams. the crowds were spectacular. friday night match was gripping. she came a little short but, my goodness, the best there ever was in tennis, serena williams. coco gauff is blazing a trail for the new generation of american tennis stars. the 18-year-old french open runner-up advancing in straight sets last night to be the youngest american to make it to the u.s. open quarterfinals since 2009. on the men's side, medvedev's u.s. open title defense is over. the world number one eliminated in four sets yesterday against nick kyrgios, the temperamental australian. looked good.
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despite great outside dangers, our biggest threat remains the sick, sinister, and evil people from within our own country. joe biden came to philadelphia, pennsylvania, to give the most vicious, hateful, and divisive speech ever delivered by an american president. you're all enemies of the state. he's an enemy of the state. you want to know the truth. the danger to democracy comes from the radical left, not from the right. not from the right. this november, we're going to stand up to this rising tyranny of sickness, lawlessness, and death, and we are going to take back our country. we're going to take it back. >> donald trump accusing another president of being divisive and calling the current occupant of the oval office an enemy of the
state. former president spent plenty of time over the weekend bashing the democratic party during his rally in pennsylvania. both parties are reacting by slamming each other, creating more divisiveness as the midterm ends. it is particularly toxic moment. let's bring in former republican congressman from florida, david jolly. he is an msnbc contributor. david, thanks for being with us. lots to fact-check there if you want from the former president. >> yeah. >> let's just get your overall take. this was a closely watched rally, his first since the mar-a-lago search. he didn't hold back. he barely endorsed the republican candidates on the ballot. this was about him. it was a particularly potent and potentially dangerous mix of grievances. >> yeah, jonathan, good to be with you. an important historic moment because it's too easy to slip into giving equity to both arguments here. to recognizing that each party has a different perspective. the truth is, there might be two
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welcome back to the labor day edition of "morning joe" on the u.s. capitol, just before the top of the hour on this monday, september 5th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us. we're still speaking with former republican congressman from florida, david jolly. thanks for sticking around during the break. president biden on friday seemed to contradict his views on trump supporters being a threat to the country. in his speech thursday night in philadelphia, biden described maga republicans flat out as threat to democracy. >> what's happening in our country today is not normal. donald trump and the maga republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. >> the next day, when asked if he thought every trump supporter was a threat to the country,
here was the president's response. >> i don't consider any trump supporter a threat to the country. i do think anyone who calls for the use of violence, intends for violence, refuses to acknowledge an election has been won, insists upon changing the way we vote, that is a threat to democracy. democracy. >> this is something we've heard from this president before, much to the frustration of his aides. he will deliver an attack line and then walk it back, david jolly. seemingly, his instinct is to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle. is this him having second thoughts? is this joe biden consensus builder coming through? does it de-fang his message somewhat, his powerfully delivered message thursday
night, about the threat posed to the country by the maga republicans? >> look, there's an enormous challenge for joe biden trying to take on the protection of democracy by calling out donald trump and those who enable him. we know statistically, not everybody that voted for donald trump supported the january 6th insurrection or supported overturning an election. we also know statistically, that is a significant amount of the republican party. joe biden is trying to shine a spotlight on that while giving breathing room to his charge, if you will. it is going to be imperfect. i would suggest the absence of making that allegation puts us in a more critical moment. i think where joe biden opened himself up for some criticism, perhaps due or undue, is to try to draw the thread of a threat to democracy means reduction in your liberty. you don't have the right to vote in some places now. your vote doesn't count. you don't have the right to your health care choices, to expressing your own sexual orientation in the case of florida, depending on your
profession, that is a stripping of liberty. that begins to sound like a democratic agenda, so he was hit by some as being too political. it is a risk the president has to take in the moment. the important part of the message, the key to unlocking november and 2024, jonathan, is it is a coalition. it is democratic-led, but it is independents and mainstream republicans, disinfected republicans, whatever you want to call them, that is the coalition that brings over 50% of the country together, that says, i don't want to go back to donald trump and what he is offering the country. >> white house aides made clear, this speech was in the works long before the fbi search of mar-a-lago, with that moment and the aftermath giving it heightened urgency. they say, hey, it wasn't a political speech, but they recognize the more the nation talks about donald trump, they think the better it is for democrats. it comes two months before the midterms. we've gotten this news, the national republican senatorial
committee has blown through nearly all the funds it raised since early 2021. "the new york times" reports that the chair of the nrsc, florida senator rick scott, greenlit massive spending on digital ads, not to promote candidates for senate but to discover small contributors. while it initially brought in large amounts of donations, it's since stopped. by the end of july, the committee collected a record amount of money but spent nearly all of it. entering august with $23 million on hand. they're raising less before the digital spending campaign. david, let me get your reaction to this. it's not going to help republican candidates, many of whom already staring up at their democratic opponents in the polls. >> yeah. so much in this, jonathan. it is a bit of a washington parlor game. the head of the congressional committees or the senatorial committees for the parties can make or break a career. i'd much rather be sean patrick
maloney leading the dccc than rick scott leading the nrsc. he is about to hit a brick wall in the senate. complete mismanagement there. what we're seeing nationally is, once republicans thought it'd be a favorable november, they have dobbs that stripped abortion rights. donald trump is back in the picture, which is not good for republicans. then the republican senate committee, in particular, has what i call a gop problem. georgia, ohio, and pennsylvania. they have terrible candidates. now, we're learning the top of the senatorial committee, rick scott, terribly mismanaged the finances that would be there to support their candidates. a terrible, terrible moment for rick scott, somebody who is dying to find a lane to the presidency. that line, if it'd not already closed, let me tell you, it is closed the next five to ten years now. >> gop problem, not bad. we might steal that here, david jolly. also on rick scott, he's been feuding with mitch mcconnell, as
well, also not going to help his political ambitions. david jolly, thank you for spending part of your labor day with us. >> thank you, jonathan. the argument the fbi search of mar-a-lago was justified just got a major republican backer. former attorney general bill barr speaking on fox news, supported the move from federal agents. barr said he believes the evidence shows that the government had exhausted all of their options before going to florida. >> no, i can't think of a legitimate reason why they should have been -- could be taken out of the government, away from the government, if they're classified. i, frankly, am skeptical of this claim i declassified everything, you know? frankly, i think it is highly improbable. second, if, in fact, he sort of stood over scores of boxes, not really knowing what was in them, and said, "i hereby declassify everything in here," that would be such an abuse, shows such
recklessness. it is almost worse than taking the documents. i think the driver on this from the beginning was loads of classified information sitting in mar-a-lago. people say this was unprecedented. well, it is also unprecedented for a president to take this classified information and put it in a country club, okay? how long is the government going to try to get that back? you know, they jawboned for a year. they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. they then went and got a subpoena. they were deceived on that. they feel. and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. so how long -- you know, how long do they wait? >> barr widely respected in the gop, of course, faithfully served donald trump until december 2020. didn't support the fraudulent claims of a rigged election. now, these words here may carry some weight as he backs the fbi search. meanwhile, we have a clear account of what agents took from
former president trump's mar-a-lago home. after a federal judge unsealed a more detailed inventory list of items back on friday. in addition to the troves of information marked top secret, secret, and classified, the fbi search turned up more than 40 empty folders with classified banners on them. but it is unclear what happened to the information that had been inside those folders. the agents also found almost four dozen empty folders marked return to staff secretary, military aid. the search turned up more than 11,000 u.s. documents and photographs without classify status. they were mixed in with other documents and trump's office and a storage room. seven marked top secret were in trump's office, as well as 17 documents marked secret and 3 marked confidential. that's significant because
trump's attorneys told investigators that all the records that came from the white house were being kept in a mar-a-lago storage room. which agents had been asked to be kept secure. that's according to the government's court filings. we also know, thanks to trump's attorneys, many people go in and out of the offices on a near daily basis. a spokesman for trump issued a statement on twitter about the inventory list, saying, the new detailed inventory list only further proves that this unprecedented and unnecessary raid of president trump's home was not some surgical, confined search and retrieval that the biden administration claims. rather, it was a smash and grab. these document disputes should be resolved under the presidential records act, which requires cooperation and negotiation by the national archives and records administration, not an armed fbi raid. let's fact-check that real quick. they asked repeatedly, with extended negotiations, to get those documents back. the search was seen as a last resort because trump and his
team hadn't cooperated or been honest. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor, barbara mcquaid. barbara, great to see you again this morning. you've had a few days now to review the inventory list. what jumped out at you? >> well, as you mentioned, it's these empty folders. that is really an alarming discovery. because it suggests that some of the documents might be missing. now, maybe it is just that they are scattered among the 33 boxes that were removed from mar-a-lago in august, but the concern, of course, is that whose hands have these fallen into? it makes you start to think about, have they recovered every document that was there, or is it possible that photos were taken of any of these documents? were any of them photocopied? are any of them at places other than mar-a-lago, like bedminster or other places? the idea that some of this is just out there in the wild is extremely disturbing because it
suggests the access of this material to our foreign adversaries. it puts sources' lives in danger and risks compromising signals intelligence. i imagine when the fbi discovered these empty folders, they had to have a sick feeling in their stomachs. >> we're waiting to hear from the decision on the special master, but reading the tea leaves, other analysts suggests it seems like one may be on the horizon. how much of a delay do you think that'll cause, and what is your sense to the doj's level of frustration or concern if one were appointed? >> it really depends on the parameters. now, i think with every passing day, the likelihood of a special master kind of diminishes. one of the things the judge could have been done but did not do is immediately order the government to stop reviewing the documents. she could have done that when the motion was filed monday. she didn't do that. so in the meantime, the government most certainly is
looking at them and doing their damage assessment. if she were to say, you have to stop and a special master will look at all this and decide what you get, it could be not only a delay for the investigation, that's one thing and i think they could tolerate that, but the delay in assessing the damage and the risk of the disclosure is where the real problem is. perhaps she could create some sort of half version of a special master with a damage assessment allowed to continue but the investigation must halt. but the damage assessment is so crucial that it will done quickly. if there are sources whose lives are in danger, we need to know that immediately so they can be pulled from the countries. >> something i've been thinking about basically since the day of the mar-a-lago search, trump has multiple properties, not just mar-a-lago. he has a department in trump tower, a few blocks from where i'm sitting in manhattan. the golf course in bedminster, where he is right now, in fact. we know mar-a-lago is his primary residence, and that is
where he went, directly went, to mar-a-lago when he left the white house in january of 2021. that, of course, makes sense. most of the documents that would have went with him would have gone there. but do we think at this point that doj would have reason to search some of the other trump properties? and what do you think their hesitation would be? coming up on an election, it could be perceived as political? >> if i were an investigator, i'd be concerned these documents are at some of his other properties. you have to have probable cause that they are there before you can search. you can't engage in a fishing expedition. we don't know the reasons because of the redactions, but a judge found probable cause to believe documents would be at mar-a-lago. it wasn't just a hunch. it has to be facts. things like multiple people told us. it does say they needed to redact to protect the identities of a significant number of civilian witnesses. or they saw thing on
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russia says a suicide bomber killed two diplomats outside its embassy in afghanistan. according to the russian foreign ministry, the explosion happened earlier today as afghans were waiting in hine for updates about their visas. moscow called the bombing an unacceptable terrorist act and says it has increased security at the embassy in kabul. no group has so far claimed responsibility for the bombing. we'll report back when we learn more. also this morning. we're learning four of the six inspectors from the u.n. team inspecting ukraine's largest nuclear power plant have left the site after completing their work. for more, let's bring in nbc news correspondent jay gray, who joins us live from ukraine. jay, thanks for being with us. the world has been nervously watching this power plant for weeks now. lots of shelling in the area, both sides blaming each other. we can probably guess who is firing most of the rockets. what's the latest here as to
what's happening, and what is the update from these inspectors, some of whom are concluding their work? >> reporter: yeah, it's interesting. four of the inspectors left. we expected that early in week. they've gone. the two that remain, though, will be there indefinitely, according to the international atomic energy agency. that's where the inspectors are from. the two that will stay there, they'll be there to monitor the plant, to do risk assessments, in a situation that the director general of the agency already calls grave. the sounds of children playing replaces the violent echo of bombs and bullets. but in this park about 30 miles from the front lines, it is impossible to escape the constant fear that comes with war. >> translator: it has not left us since the first days of the war. the heart is pounding, the beating.
thoughts loaded. everything fills with fear. >> reporter: zaporizhzhia is unlike any other city in ukraine. they have a dual threat. advancing russian troops, their missiles, and the possibility of a nuclear disaster. just outside the city, the scars of battle are evident at europe's largest nuclear power plant. >> impact, holes, markings on buildings. means that the facility has been violated, not once but several, several times. >> reporter: shelling has knocked out the main power line to the plant, leaving just one of the six massive reactors operational, with the facility under the control of russian soldiers but still being run by ukrainian scientists. independent inspectors remain on site, providing at least a bit of comfort for those coping outside the facility.
>> hoping they can change something, can improve the situation, because we really need some control there. and i hope that they can help us. because if there is not control, no people there who can look on this, i think it will be something awful. >> reporter: as families hold each other a little tighter now, many, like this grandmother, also clinging to the hope children will, she says, grow up in a free country, that they will love ukraine. yeah, air-raid siren sounding now, as they do several times a day and night in dnipro. look, the agency is expected to deliver a formal report on the situation, both inside and outside of the plant, sometime this week. perhaps, jonathan, as early as tomorrow. >> jay, one more for you. ukraine launched it counteroffensive in the south some days ago and had been
pretty quiet about its progress. although, we did hear from president zelenskyy yesterday, acknowledging the two small towns, he says, have been recaptured by ukrainian forces. what more have you heard as to how it is going? >> reporter: well, when you listen to the ukrainian side, what they'll tell you is it is going very well and they're making progress, but they're leerily not going to say where or when because it is a strategic mission. on the opposite side, what you hear from the russian press is that these are towns that they had decided to move on from anyway. so it's that same back and forth that we've seen throughout the more than six months of war here now. but it is clear from talking with the ukrainians that they feel like they are making progress. >> nbc's jay gray, thank you for the reporting and be safe there in dnipro, ukraine. joining us now, former democratic congressman from california, a distinguished
fellow and president emirate of the wilson center. couple topics to hit, but let's start in ukraine. first, give us your assessment as to where things stand right now. the russian offensive is in the east, seems to have slowed, if not completely stalled. ukraine making progress back in the south. this power plant remains a real concern. >> well, two things. i've said a long time the strongest weapon the ukrainians have is the ukrainian heart. it is stronger than a missile, stronger than an airplane, you name it. it keeps beating. six months in, nobody thought they could win, and they may be winning. u.s. and foreign aids to them, advanced aid like the himars weapon system is very effective, and they need more. they're getting more. zaporizhzhia is a potential catastrophe. we can't understate what could happen there. think fukushima in japan. two things. if the core melts down and there
is nuclear radiation, it's not going to stay in ukraine. it is going to go over borders, maybe to russia, that everyone thinks the winds blow east. what if they blow west or south. it'll go to nato countries. nato will have an issue what to do. arguably, nuclear radiation could constitution an article v, grounds for intervention by nato. so there's that. also, if it penetrates the groundwater, that'll contaminate miles and miles of ukraine. that piece you just did of the little kids playing in the park, for this grandma, is unbelievably heartbreaking. the good news is that the iaea is there. two inspectors will stay there and provide some transparency. russia wasn't -- i think russia made a decision not to use tactical nukes because they're attributable to russia. doing this, shelling indiscriminately around a nuclear power plant and sowing
confusion, is a better way for them to get to the same place. hopefully they'll pull back. hopefully nato and the iaea can deter them. >> deeply dangerous and a source of real concern for u.s. officials. i want to get your reaction, seems this is coming in now from the "financial times," and russia has been playing the card many thought they would. september now, it's getting colder. the gas line to europe via the nord stream will not cool until the west lifts sanctions against moscow. tell us the impact of what this could mean. >> winter is coming. it is colder in new york, not much yet. the u.s. open is in full play, and i can't wait to be there today to see the nadal match. but, just saying, europe is aware of this. it is weaning itself from dependence on russian gas. it is impressive. today, there was a story about, i think it was germany, providing $65 billion to the german people over this winter. the problem is, russia does have other markets.
india being one of them. they're still getting revenues from their oil and gas and can afford to do this. we have to help europe. it's a shame the middle east is not yet helping europe. a lot of countries are hedging their bets. i just hope that this winter will be a real victory play by europe, and they will prove they can stand up to russia. if they don't stand up the russia, if we don't stand up to russia, i don't think this ends in eastern ukraine. >> yeah. the g-7 nations announced add cap on the price of russian fuel, but that is fairly meaningless if china and india don't go along. >> it is a good idea, i think, but that's right, if india doesn't play, it's a bug big problem. the middle east, too, with more oil and gas, is not helping europe yet. we're a matter of moments from learning the identity of the united kingdom's new prime minister. liz truss expected to win. give us your reaction.
what should americans know about her? what should we expect from her as an ally and partner? >> i always applaud strong women, and it'd be exciting to see someone who wants to be like margaret thatcher. those are the ads she ran. she is a strong brexiteer, and we have to have eyes wide open. stronger than boris johnson was, which means she may be frostier to europe and frostier to the united states. that's something that's going to be difficult for us. and she may not honor the northern ireland accord that johnson was able to strike. get ready for britain to be a bigger challenge than it has been. >> lastly, let's turn to this side of the atlantic. you know, it is labor day. it is the -- we're kicking off the stretch run of the midterm elections. president biden will be on the road in wisconsin and pennsylvania today. democrats with the wind at their back, it seems, going into the fall. give us your sense of where things stand right now, particularly after the president's speech in which he laid out very clear the stakes
of this election. democrats versus extreextremism >> jonathan, i was in elected politics a long time. one of the things i learned is that things change quickly. we have two full months until november. who knows where we're going to be then. but i would say that the democrats look stronger. republican fundraising is tanking. a lot of republicans are very concerned about what they're learning about the files and the classified information. i'm very concerned about that, and i think it is handled very well by the justice department. i think that some of the senate candidates, republican senate candidates, some supported by former president trump, are not strong candidates. there is a good chance the democrats will keep the senate. the house is much harder. bigger hill to climb. however, it looks better. as a centrist democrat, i applaud those trying to build a bigger center for both parties. that's where we need to be. >> jane harman covering the
waterfront on both sides of the atlantic, thank you for being here. enjoy the tennis. we're going to sneak in a quick break. when we come back, we'll go live to london. we are just literally moments away from indeed learning the identity of the united kingdom's new prime minister. we'll also get an update on the violent abduction of a schoolteacher in tennessee. what the suspect left at the scene that helped track him down. meanwhile, it'll be an emotional week in uvalde, texas, as students and staff start the new school year. but the community got a nice surprise ahead of the first home high school football game. we'll show you that just ahead on "morning joe." to keep you in frame. and the meeting on track. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you. okay season 6! aw... this'll take forev—or not. do i just focus on when things don't work, and not appreciate when they do? i love it when work actually works!
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ms. truss was seemed likely to have won. she has. what does it mean? >> reporter: yeah, she has. she's making that speech, jonathan, inside the building behind me right now. as we mentioned when we last spoke, think of this as a little bit of a kind of primary rather than a general election. it is the person who is changing, not the political party that continues in leadership. the conservative party. because it is a bit like a primary, the numbers are small. let me just share them with you. liz truss from the conservative party has won 81,326 votes. rishi sunak, running against her and was the early favorite, won 60,399 votes. again, it's not a general election, it is a kind of primary. that's why you can hear a small number of protesters over to my right there making a lot of noise for their small numbers. but you would have already done the calculations, jonathan. that is 20,000 votes between
them. that is a much smaller win than people had thought liz truss might gain. it is not exactly a landslide. remember, already, she had many members of her own party in parliament who didn't vote for her. already, the new prime minister, the new prime minister tomorrow, because the queen, of course, constitutionally will make that change, seeing boris johnson and then liz truss tomorrow, the new prime minister already has a challenge. she's going to have to unite just her own party, who have not exactly given her a resounding win, while she faces those huge challenges. the war in europe, of inflation, of the crisis with energy prices here in europe, which is seeing governments spending billions of dollars in order to protect businesses. as we mentioned earlier, jonathan, there is talk that many businesses here in the uk,
including, for example, pubs up and down the country, may just have to close down because they simply cannot afford to pay for gas and electricity. so the new prime minister, liz truss, will be britain's third female prime minister. she's been compared to margaret thatcher. goodness me, she inherits a lot of challenges, as margaret thatcher did years ago. >> certainly, her plate is full domestically. let's talk about what her relationship could be with the rest of europe. she was a brexiteer. as well as washington. president biden, shall we say, tolerated boris johnson. the two men not particularly close, nor did they see eye to eye on much, except for support of ukraine. give us a preview, if you will, as to what those relationships could be like. >> reporter: well, i think first point is that one of the priorities, i think, for the new truss government will be to try to shore up relations with the
biden administration, with the united states. britain, of course, being america's closest partner, this is a crucial question for washington, too. one small thing, she didn't vote in favor of brexit. she swung behind it after the british people voted. so she does have the ability to change policies. she has run this party political election campaign talking about tax cuts and, yet, right towards the end, has said that she would be in favor of a huge monetary intervention to support businesses here. as i mentioned, talking here, it could cost 100 billion pounds. might be around $115 billion. although, by the way, that calculation of pounds to dollars, that is changing pretty rapidly, jonathan. we're down now at 115 pounds to the dollar. people talking that, perhaps, the pound and the dollar could
see parity. you haven't seen than since 1985, once again, when margaret thatcher was in power. the challenges in the uk, economically as far as politically, with the war in ukraine, trying to solve the northern ireland problem in relation to brexit, which is so crucial for the biden administration, all of these things mean that the new prime minister, liz truss, here in the uk, she faces so many challenges. another worry, you mentioned boris johnson, jonathan. he potentially isn't going away. he could be in the shadows watching, possibly intervening at times. that has people who support liz truss worried, too. i suppose you could say that she's beginning from a point of low expectations, so the only way is up. she'll be hoping so. >> nbc's keir simmons live from london with our breaking news this morning. liz truss set to be the next prime minister of the united kingdom. elsewhere this morning, we
have a first look at the new documentary from pbs and front line on the rise of donald trump and his takeover of the republican party. the two-hour film titled "lies, politics and democracy" features interviews with more than two dozen insiders. >> the republican party enabled donald trump. has he convinced his base the election had been stolen? >> mcconnell chooses silence. >> pence says to the president, i can't do it. >> liz had given a compelling narrative about why we have to certify the election. >> american democracy relies on simple good faith. >> if anything was revealed to it, it was just how fragile a system we have. >> joining us now, the film's producer and director. michael kirk. michael, thanks for being with us this morning. we're eagerly anticipating this film. tell us about what some of the trump insiders told you, including the revelation that trump himself acknowledged he didn't beat joe biden.
>> well, the fascinating thing when you take a close look at this, president biden last week talked about trump and leading the extremist sort of maga supporters. i think this film shows the equally important story of how they collaborated, how the gop collaborated and supported trump. we took a close look at mcconnell, ryan, mccarthy, pence, cruz, lindsey graham, and their bargain, their deal with the devil for votes. when you watch what they did, you come to the realization that they enabled trump every step of the way. many of the republicans who are in our film talk about this. they say the gop's acquiescence to trump's, what they call authoritarianism, is the fundamental threat to american democracy. >> so let's take a look at this next clip, and we will see the immediate aftermath of january 6th. republicans made the choice not
to abandon trump. >> republican leaders made a critical choice. >> the republican leadership is freaked out, that if trump leaves, the party will fragment. there will be no hope for the republican party. republican leaders always had that in the back of their mind. if trump walks away, he will bring millions of voters with him. and you kiss the idea of a republican majority good-bye for a long, long time. >> as trump hunkered down at his mar-a-lago compound in florida, it didn't take long before he was visited by a special guest. they took a photograph. >> mccarthy says to trump, i want your help for 2022. help me win back the majority. >> so we just saw january 20th,
2021, then president trump in his last ride in the presidential motorcade, returning to mar-a-lago. my new book covers this ground, as well. this was such a crucial moment, michael, where the republican party had a chance. they could have turned their ba. january 6th happened, but they chose not to. and we still see to this day trump as the most dominant figure in the republican party. what did you learn as to why? >> it's -- it starts with the definition of what is a politician that somebody told us, which is, politicians are people who want to get re-elected. that's what drives them. it's the idea of staying in office. and the bargain you'll make in order to do that, and you watch that at every inflexion point as the film rolls on, what trump was alleing and january 6th and
all you see can kevin mccarthy going with the paddles to bring a body back to life. it's dead on the table, and that was donald trump at that moment, politically dead on the table. and mccarthy goes in and bangs him back to life. that's -- you know, that's what they did. and why did they do it? they did it for votes. it's as simple as that. and that's not the republican party that most of us grew up following and knowing about and certainly those of us like you, jonathan, who have been reporting on it, recognize it. it's a very different group of people now, and a powerful group of people who are waiting for a midterm election to see just how far they can take their power, and whether that bargain has worked out for them. >> of course, trump remains the favorite for 2024, as well. the important new documentary,
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