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act, no senior, no matter how big the drug bills we are fighting, that there's a chance of any other serious problem. and they are spending thousands of dollars on treatment. guess what? you will not have to pay more than $2,000 a month, no matter what their beliefs. no matter what their bellies. if they need insulin, they won't have to pay more than $35 a month. i have been fighting, i have been fighting pharma for my entire career. and, we finally beat pharma! they finally beat pharma! not a single republican vote. not a single vote! well, i tell you what, the fact is that there's a lot more that we have to do. like i said, we filled 650,000 manufacturing jobs in america today.
the unions in this country now have the support, whether union members or not, of over 60% of the american people, never before have union been that popular, labor union. or 60% the american people. i think that's important. because they're figuring it. out you are the bulwark against success. you are the ones. and by the way, you know, like all of you, like many of you, i wasn't raised poor. but, i wasn't wealthy. we lived in a three bedroom split level home and in a town called mayfield in delaware with four kids, mom, that, and a grandpa. but we were all right. we could always tell whether things were going. rough we had two sets of bunks in one room. you could hear my dad when he was restless. you could hear the headboard. i remember asking my mom one
day, what's the matter with that? she said, honey, we just lost our insurance. people shouldn't have to face that reality in america. it shouldn't be the case. the unions make sure that we didn't have to face that. but the rest of the countries are still struggling. and we finally are making significant changes in health care. we are not in a situation where we've been able to put another 2400 bucks for family -- to reduce the price of insurance for the affordable care act. and by the, way these guys are still going after the affordable care act. they want to get rid of. it and the only reason anybody with a pre-existing condition, who is in wealthy and can't afford a very expensive policy has any coverage is because of the affordable care act. the only reason. and they're still going after. it and social security. the first paycheck that you've been paying for for social security. well, guess what, the guy heading up the republican campaign committee for the united states senate, senator scott from the south and the
guy whose home state, these guys don't even think social security should be guaranteed. they want to on the ballot every five years. every five years has to be reauthorized. they pay for it. and the kind of wisconsin, he concluded that it should be every single year. every single, you are set to vote on whether or not you keep social security. whether you keep, it cut, it changes, it roll over. what's going on here, man? this is not the country that most of you -- this is not the country most republicans, most republicans represent the state support for the longest time. and so, folks, look, the fact is that when you have social security that's under attack, when you have medicare that's under attack, one refusal to stick with finding and making sure the circumstance where you have some access to health care, this is, again, we can change things. and we're going to change for the better. you know, here's the deal.
as i, said wall street didn't build this country. the middle class build. it and union build the middle class. pretty close to this though. when i announced, and i meant it, i got wrongly criticize for good reason, as a legitimate reason to criticize me. on i said i was running for three reasons. one, to restore the soul of america. by, that i'm and decency, honor, meaning what you say, literally treating people with respect. the second reason i said i was run inning was i was tired of trickle down economics. i wanted to build the economy from the bottom up in the middle up. because that happens, the wealthy do very, very well. they do very well. and everybody's kind of shocked. everybody's got a shot. and the third reason i said i was running was because i wanted to unite the country. and, because you can't maintain a democracy without being able to reach a consensus. i spent a lot of time with foreign leaders from the leader of china, russia, et cetera. but the leader of china, xi
jinping, just tells me straight-up, i've spent more time in the head of state over 76 hours. and, guess what he said? democracy can't be sustained in the 21st century. because, it requires a consensus. and things are moving so rapidly, you can get consensus. so, that is where autocracy is going to succeed. well, i reject that notion. i rejected. i think that we could come out of what we really got into, stronger than when we got into. it stronger than before we started. and, folks look. you know all of this -- all of us love the country. but you can't love the country and say how much you love it when you only accept one or two all comes from the election. either you won or you are cheating. it doesn't work that way. you can't love the country when you refuse to maintain just the basic democratic principles that were set out, that we all learned from time when we were
kids in schools that you accept the outcomes of election. you can't say you love the country, when in fact, you either win or you have been cheating. and that is where we are. now, and there is much more to, say but i already said too much do you. but here's the deal. i am absolutely convinced, i'm absolutely convinced, and i mean this in the bottom of my heart that there is not a thing we can't do in america. i mean it. not a single solitary thing we can't do. only if we do it together. i mean it. and, it's about time we stand up and remember, who in god's name we are. we are the united states of america. there is nothing beyond our capacity. let's go out as an easy proposition. we will win if people vote. so, just remind everybody, vote proud and vote. we vote, we win, and reestablish this country and make it even better than it was
before. thank you all for standing so long. god love you. from way beyond, thank you. am i going out here? [applause] >> president joe biden walking off the stage there in pittsburgh, 6:06 pm on the east coast on this labor day. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and you could hear the band as the president goes and speaks to, what it looks like, a few steel workers who gathered there. happy labor day to you. safe fitting soundtrack. i am ari melber on the beach with you, this is a live labor day addition. so, what we are just seeing, there at the hour, is the president speaking about labor. saying that unions are more popular than ever as he spoke to that labor crowd. now, i can tell you later today, in this labor day addition of the beat, actually more on what the president is doing and pushing. so, having heard from him live, we'll bring you that, soon. but the larger breaking news
story on the holiday's a new ruling coming out of florida. judge granting the request that donald trump made for a different type of review of those documents that the doj says, he was holding aaliyah -- illegally for a long time. a special master to do the review. now, if you watched the bead or keep an eye on this, you may recall that we heard from attorney john sale, who objected a request to represent trump in this very matter. now, before any such request was made, he actually said here on msnbc that his idea would've been to request the special master's. this was days before trump first made that legal request. they're using a filter team. the government, in order to review these documents for privilege. there is privileges. attorney client privilege, executive privilege, the deliver process privilege. i would've immediately gone to court and asked for the appointment of the special master. i would not trust the government to do that. now, legally, as we discussed
that day and pursuing coverage, that is an option for someone in this type of situation. it is not a -- win when you get a masters. it doesn't mean, for example, that you're legally held the documents or that your cleared of the criminal investigation. , but it does afford this extra layer of review. now, as mr. sale referenced in -- as we discussed in our coverage, that's a review that you want to request in the beginning, not after the bunch of the vote has occurred. but this will go forward. it will not be until friday that a proposal list of special master candidates can be submitted. meanwhile, you have the attorney general looking at these open probes while there is also, in case you heard about, it midterm elections coming up. and the fall, post labor day, is considering the heart of this campaign period. doj officials have to decide whether they make any changes to their work. they want to go out of their way to follow the rules. and i'm sure, you heard about before, you are not supposed to improperly, influence the
potential vote or the early vote or anything in that period through the prop. or, in this case, probes. new york times reports that the rule does not apply to people who are not candidate traditionally, which is an interesting distinction, but trump is effectively the face of the party intertwined with most of the best -- investigative candidate. those candidates include someone who used to go up and down the line, telling everybody, warning the nation how terrible donald trump was and would be if he got power. the public senator, marco rubio. now, he's speaking, out defending trump over this very case. >> this is really at its core, a story charge that they're making tonight. they're arguing that there are documents there. they don't deny any sort of -- but they denied that they were not properly. start i don't think that a fight over storage of documents is worthy of what they have done. >> now, calling this a storage issue would be like saying that
if you robbed a bank and took out 100 million bucks and they wanted it back, and you wouldn't give it back and then they legally seized it under judicially warned process, and you said hey, this is storage the bag. you had 100 million, now you have, it now i have. it it's storage. and i'm saying that was with a smile because that's a silly the argument it. but the underlying point matters. it matters a lot for the nation. here we are, on labor day, talking about tradition, talking about honoring peoples work. honesty, integrity, all of that stuff. well, it's not a storage issue. it's a question of whether the citizen used their government parties still something and then held it back as a citizen. and, what it took for the government to get it back. which is distinct from the other point we have given you on the story and our coverage. which, is it is not a storage issue. but, that doesn't mean anything of what i just said must be a slam dunk indictment case. there's a lot of reasons why they might not see the justice department will be on the
search. they may have just wanted to get the materials, they may not end up charging everyone in this case. meanwhile, trump is arguing that this was all about, you know, books, libraries, his passion. and that he wanted the materials for a library that he was going to create. his own advisers, though, say, the library is not exactly an afterthought. that's according to six sources at nbc news consulting. now, we go to experts who we think for working a little bit on this labor day, the former acting u.s. solicitor, neal katyal, and why you law professor, melissa murray. as i say, in all seriousness, thank you for all working today. how are you both doing? neal katyal? >> i'm doing okay. i got my new covid shot a few hours ago so i am certainly feeling it. >> so, i hope you feel okay. we'll keep that in mind. i take it that means some medical professionals are
working today. too >> professor, how are you doing on this labor day? >> doing well, thank you. >> thank you, professor, i'll start with. you storage, your thoughts? >> i mean, the minute that he said, that i immediately countered up the image of a storage unit where you just keep your left over winter clothing and turn it over every summer and switch out your clothes. but this is, more obviously, than just some stored tissue. and it isn't even a question of storage. the real question is why does he have this top secret classified material in what is essentially a basement of a country club in palm beach, florida. it boggles the mind that this would actually be the case. so, to scoff it off is simply a storage issue is -- underscoring the way in which some members of the republican party wanted to sit down and downplay this. when in fact, it's a major issue of national security that really demands considerable attention and accountability.
>> i want to bring in neil katyal here, with the multi part question. i will be able to test, neal katyal, whether on your a game, whether you're on the supreme court, where i know they do three for part questions. or, if at any point in the question you have to say, hey, i've got a little bit of vaccine brain, i need to pause, you know, that is your right here. okay? so, it's a comfortable and understandable bench for you. but the multi part question is, one, if you have any thoughts on storage. two, your interpretation of the special master ruling. and three, does a procedural win like this matters when it's this late in the review? >> okay, so on storage, i think that it's a reoccurring. the question is not where the documents were stored, it's that the documents were stolen. and the analogy, to input, as professor moore has pointed, in the new york rented locker,
there was a bunch of stolen equipment and it was discovered, i don't think you're defenses, oh, this is just about where i started in the storage locker versus. that it's that you stole the stuff in the first place. and, for, now weeks into this search, and donald trump has never once provided a single explanation of what in the world he is doing with those documents. now with respect to the special master's decision today, i, i have read some terrible rulings in my life. but this one is pretty much the worst when i read in a long time. i honestly think any of my law students would've written a better opinion. i, mean even bill barr called this request by donald trump for a special master a crock of b s word. and there is so much wrong with that. i mean, just at the end the judge says that these documents are, you know, potentially protected by executive privilege. and that president biden hasn't waved in on that question.
-- but now he's saying that the president delegated to her in the justice department. the question, is that -- she says, no she indeed says it's not even a closed question. and yet, the judge blows that off entirely. and then, the judge even joins the entire investigation. i don't even understand how the investigation could quite be enjoying. there's serious constitutional problems and practical ones because the government has already looked at these documents. but she somehow thinks that she can enjoy the entire investigation from looking at these documents until the special master reveals that. we don't know how long that's going to take. so there is practical problems with. it and then there's very theoretical problems with. it i'm not aware of any circumstance in which a federal judge has done anything like this. she says, well, it's because donald trump's reputation is being under run. that is what every criminal defendant says. every criminal defendant would love a special master. every criminal defendant would
say they're unfairly targeted. every rule -- would be silly. that can possibly be the law. so, in the end, i think that there is so much breath to this ruling that i think the justice department has to reconsider the qualification of what in the world she was thinking and what she meant. but, in the absence of, that i think that this is a real, real mistake. >> all interesting. do you remember part three? >> part three was the practical consequences. and so, i think that the justice department has two possibilities here. one, they could try to live with the special master's and i guess names will be submitted in the few days. and, the judge did say in the last page of the order, this is just, a quote, brief process. if it is a brief pause for a special master, that's one thing. the problem is, she hasn't actually told the special master what the task. as she, said whether these documents are protected by privilege. but the supreme court said,
it's really the incumbent president who decides that. the incumbent president has said, hey, you know, none of the stuff is protected by executive privilege. so one in the world is a special master's going to do? i think that there's so many practical problems, but i think that the department should go and seek clarifications. and, if the clarification comes back, yeah, the entire investigation should be stopped and the department has to take an emergency appeal, an emergency stay to hold her decision in advance that they can continue their investigation. and this matter may go up to the supreme court. but if it, does it go off on a really quick timeline on the most expedited review. trump's whole modus is delayed. and so i think that the department of justice has to be very careful and trying to push this as fast as it can. >> understood, professor, he seems on point to me. >> he certainly on point. i would just underscore that even if this is handle expeditiously, it will involve a delay.
and it's worth noting here that the fbi has been stopped from doing anything. although, she's allowed the other agencies like the governor of national intelligence to continue. but the fbi is it's the, party of the national community. so this effectively prevents the fbi from fondling any of the material that it finds that is sensitive and does need to go to some higher authorities, to those higher authorities while this is going. on so really, it just compromises national security while all of this -- and i think it is a procedural win in that it basically halts this in its traps. and even if it's handled expeditiously, it means that there is a least, three weeks, maybe a month where this is all stalled. >> right, and i would only add to the really excellent legal analysis, that wall that it's all true, and neil, identified part of the ruling that is unusual if you brought it out, the doj itself spent months trying to get to this answer. if we fast forward into a month or two, it's back on track. that doesn't seem to me to be any substantively different --
there's a lot of reasons, as neal, outlined that the appeal judges just to go along with this uninformed era riddled argument that they can pause entire probes. so, it may prove ephemeral, although the issues raised are significant. and, neal, there's some people in politics who say, i am not a scientist. but, and then they say something about global warming. on behalf of the professor, i will say that we are not doctors but you get a clean bill of health mentally today. thank you for sharing. >> thank you. >> all right, happy labor day to our legal laborers tonight, professor melissa murray and neal katyal. and i want to remind people, you can always go to msnbc slash opening arguments for neal katyal breakdowns indeed. if you go to that patron, msnbc .com, slash opening arguments, i could tell you in our opinion you could see some of neal
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start the inflation reduction act. it wasn't easy to take on big drug companies. but we did. i've been fighting them since i got in congress about 180 years ago. >> 180 years ago? not quite, president biden joking around in milwaukee there. but, pushing things that he says are no joke. the passage of the inflation reduction act, speaking to union workers. we actually caught the tail end of that live at the top of our lively they broadcast of the bee tonight. and the speech comes -- democrats think that they have
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the congress have chosen to go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate and division. when i say that democracy is at stake, i mean what i'm saying is literally. you can't say you support law enforcement and called the people who attacked the police on january six patriots. >> president biden, speaking today on this labor day, we are joined by two journalist who, again, we appreciate working with on a light show on labor day. pulliam is quite -- jean robertson, and the nations don't walls. happy labor day to both of. you >> happy labor day. >> same to you, ari melber. >> absolutely, here we are. we heard more than one point from the president today, as well as the big speech late last week, joan, and i'll put
back up on the screen something to be cited among several factors, but it's measurable. and i emphasize, it's not just politics when you look at kansas and other places. women are registering to vote. and don't, some of them, according to the data identify themselves as conservative or have voted for republicans or even thought that the supreme court would go a different way. , and they seem to be responding, not on politics, but what we're hearing from many people, which is freedom and human rights. i'm curious what you think about that as this midterm campaign really goes into overdrive, today and in the fall. >> well, it is definitely a visceral reaction from all women, including liberals and progressives. but i do think we are seeing some conservative women as well. who may be, quote, pro-life, who may have issues of certain types of abortion. but now they're seeing their sisters or their daughters, or their cousins and their hearing stories seeing on the news
these horse tories of, you know, 11-year-old girls who are -- or raped victims who can't get abortion care. women with -- pregnancies, postmenopausal women who can't get the drugs that they need because they might be used for abortion just like everything. because once you are post menopausal guys, not you, guys but many guys out there, [inaudible] you don't need abortion, it's not really a thing. so it's just so many women are being targeted or inadvertently hit by these rules that i think that there are a lot of people in the so-called, heartland, that's thought that they were antiabortion. and who are turning to be some kind of pro-choice having seen the horror story that we have seen in only just a couple of months. >> yes, don't, you make such an important discussion -- distinction, jeanne, i'd love
you to respond to. a bottle opened with a short question. which, is are you familiar with chabot? >> chabot, yes. >> yes, so, joan walsh said that there are people who might be voting or mobilize against this ruling, who themselves, may consider themselves pro-life. and, in all seriousness, we're here on this holiday and you could be pro chabot, which is your celebrating on the south today. you could be process -- and you could also be against the government using its power, big government to go and tell people what to do on chabot or sabbath or not. i know a lot of people who are pro chabot who don't think that that should be enforced in people's home. friday night, saturday, or sunday. by the government or to joan walsh's point telling teenage
women or forbid younger, what they can do or not do. and, so i say that we deliberately. but since john, raised i'm wondering if thoughts on that distinction. >> yes, i think the distinction is absolutely right. i think that the irony for this whole thing is that a generally the public opinion is basically were roe v. wade came out that there is a fundamental right to privacy and abortion care that can't be taken away, or shouldn't be taken away. , however, there could be different interpretations, various kinds of limited restrictions in various states. not anybody had to do the same thing. i mean, it was kind of messy and it was totally satisfactory to anybody. but that is basically where the country was. then to have the rug pulled, out and to have this sort of
total pro life, or call them antiabortion zealous is imposing this draconian regime of trying their best to do it not just instate but around the nation. it's hard on people. and it certainly is a lot of women who feel it. but a lot of minutes as well. and it is an example of the republican party, you know, being the one that caught the bus. and it's hard even to use that metaphor because it's so serious. we were talking about peoples wives. and it's so affected by this rule. >> joan walsh? >> well, i want to establish that i'm pro chabot and pro sabbath. [laughs] so i don't want any unnecessary and tension between. them but i agree. either to celebrate one, or not let me celebrate both, whether that's what i like to.
do hanukkah, christmas, same thing. but not to make light, of it but it also -- >> know, yes. >> there are many people of religious faith or not who, this is not their spiritual moral belief. they have their, own they're entitled to their, own and suddenly this is being forced on all of us. i have watched some of my catholic relatives become more pro-choice as they watch the horrible things being visited on women today. but, also through the years anytime as you get older, however much older you need to get and you realize these are tough choices. and nobody's making them in a -- fashion. and i actually don't want to make them for anybody else. i think that is part of why people have -- around roe versus wade. some people have judged the determination if they don't know the circumstances which
are almost always steyer. but it has become like this has been done in our. name and i think that women, and as jean said, definitely a lot of men are like this is not what we thought we wanted. >> right, and this is, why we're all referring to different religious belief. and sometimes, when you take a certain word, out and you insert a different religious belief, the thought and the clarity comes through, right? which, again is not to diminish people have their strong feelings. joan walsh with, the 32nd, sullivan gonna read the new york times. quote, women registering to vote in numbers i have never witnessed. i've run out of the super league events to describe how different this moment. is to consider democrats can buck the historic trans the cycle. from an opinion, piece but one that raises that same, data john your final thought in this discussion. >> tom, is a very slow writer and i was actually surprised to see that. you, know you click on something and you, say who wrote that? i want to see the byline.
that is real. he has seen. that he is not chilling. so, you know. >> interesting. >> yeah, well that some of the news that's breaking here on the holiday. thank you for both of you working for. us joan walsh and eugene robinson, coming up, we're going to get into why we have new january six committee actions. but first, we're going to talk about, politics race and what we can learn from the history. we have something special, next. ial, next
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we have a lot going, including, in the next hour, a special for you on the co-conspiracy with all of this heat on trump's florida investigation and how it doubles back to his other legal issues. but, right now, because it's labor day, i want to share something else with you. it involves snoop dogg in our new interview, where we talked about many issues, including his friend and collaborator, tupac, who was so outspoken and remains relevant now. here is a quick highlight, take a look. >> how do you remember to pop? >> i don't give a -- if you loves, you he loves, you if you hated you, he hated you. -- >> he was so far head and he wasn't angry at the justice system, he was angry at injustice. >> he was angry at the system. not the justice system. the whole general. >> the system was designed to bring a black man down. because remember, he was a black pastor. so, he was standing directly
for how the black path was forward to help the black community and helping kids and just to structure us as far as having our own values in the way that we live in the -- and is documented. now they killed him. they killed him. so, how do you think he's supposed to feel when the only black -- just imagine, all positive black role models, the football players, the basketball, players entertainers and they decide to come together and, say we are going to come and help our people. then, all of a sudden, the government kills him. how do you think their kids are going to feel about it? so, that's the way tupac feels. that's the way we feel. tupac was in the, streets for the, streets for the people. just imagine what he was doing at 25? that was 25 years ago. so, he only got to live half of what i'm doing. >> yeah. >> but he was so far ahead of the, game that things he said from 25 years ago resonate right now. >> that's just a highlight about what he was discussing on politics and civil rights.
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month, september. there's already been hate earrings. but more witnesses are spoken out to the panels adding more hearings than wherever originally expected. they expect to know also follow the money trail that funded the attack. >> i think one of the more intriguing things is going to be some of the financier, right? some of the fundraising. the fact that, you know, a vast majority of this money was raised and, under quote on quote stop the steal. with no intention of doing anything to stop the steal. >> and find a with exhibits and transcripts could come as soon as, fall before the election or could wait until december when the committee would be expected to dissolve. so, this is face, to there's a lot going on. they met with a top diplomat for, trump mike pompeo. and pennsylvania republican candidate for governor, doug mastriano. he was involved in the fake electors plot, last week. well, they just requested i should say cooperation from new
gingrich. and all of this is relevant tonight as we look at where this is going and tracking it. because, the facts really matter, you may recognize something we put together that we continue to add to this outline of the plots. green, legal route -- it's part of it beat special reports when we break down all of these plots and the information you need to know as the hearing yourself. that's going to be tonight at seven, pm eastern, and another words alive addition of the beat. we are going to turn and walk through this with, you so if you do like the, beat while we are on until 8 pm eastern at night for the holidays with what i'm telling. you write, now to set up the conversation for that report, we turn to new york times magazine legal writer, emily bass along. if she pro or anti labor day? we don't know. because she has agreed to work for part of labor day. welcome back. >> pro labor day! just doing this for you ari
melber, thank you. >> thank you for doing. that i just mentioned that because although we can't enjoy, we want to undo it a little. bit but i do appreciating you being here. i mentioned what we have coming, up we were just a few minutes away. we're going to go through all of this. , so i tip the big question to you. sometimes, we're into little details. but, now, going into the fall, knowing so much more than what we did, say january 21 or when the hearings in the committee began its work, what do you think is the big story or take away about what the evidence, thus far has shown? >> you know, i think that the committee has done an unexpectedly sound and important job of really airing lots of witness testimonies, these kind of keep people talking about trump on january six in ways that have been damning, and potentially
incriminating. and, then putting together the trail of what led to january six. and thinking about the world of the former president in terms of how all those folks showed up in that mob. and who was crucial in aiding and abetting incoming and together. and i think some of the committees -- you know, some of the people expected to be dull and not revolutionary. and i think the committee really exceeded expectations on both of those grounds. >> you make such an important point. and i think it's something that we in the press sometimes do, we make this mistake. and i frankly see other people do this. i see this a lot on the internet. i don't, know do you ever use the internet, emily? >> no. >> no, me neither, you know, whatever. >> you see on the internet people go, we already knew, this don't we know this, there's a kind of, i don't know if it's a cool thing or an exhausted thing but we know this, we know. that i definitely heard about that. but some of it is political.
some of them want the instruction to go as a topic. but, other people who aren't as invested, the revelations are so exhaustive, because there's so much behind the scenes that wasn't. known so many people want those things to stay secret because they might get in more trouble. and, so the build on the point that you make, my question for you is how much for you does it matter, that what was initially viewed as a terrible day and the ride that, call quote into the capital after the committee did all their interviews they looked like a month long series a plot of how this was the only most violent invisible. i, mean i think it matters a great deal. put it -- politically matters. and it could potentially matter in terms of legal exposure. , you know you make such a good
point when you watch the ball bounce every day, and he is dribbles out. even if it is wildly, surprising and sometimes even if it's incriminating. it could kind of get lost because it's detail by detail and they're not necessarily putting together the big picture. and i think what the committee succeeding in doing was showing how these different potential efforts to overturn the 2020 election results were connected. i mean, you start, thinking okay you have these lawyers who are trying to establish fraud. they're trying to basically throw spaghetti at the wall. anything that they can in order to convince the state or more states to overturn the election results. and, then you have the state elector showing up to actually, say no, it doesn't matter that georgia voted to elect president biden. we are going to come in here and say that the former president trump is the choice in georgia. and, then you have this violence on january six. and then you start to see these
different threads as basically different method of achieving the same purpose. and i think that's important for understanding, historically. and again, potentially for figuring out whether there is liability here for trump or somebody else. >> do you think the committee's work and the evidence they have uncovered increases the likelihood that viability attaches to people? whether it's giuliani, eastman, or trump? or, as an observer, do you think the doj in georgia, those folks, they want to get there eventually? >> i think they did increase the probability. for, one they made a very public. and so, then you create pressure on the justice department that would not exist, necessarily, if it was all internal. especially given what they said as charges for attorney general garland has. even if he thinks that there is a criminal case here, he can decide not to bring it if he thinks that is not the best thing for the country. or, the purpose of his office. and the fact that everybody knows that what these witnesses
have, said and what some of the incriminating evidence shows, i think it will make it harder for him to make that call. or, it least, give people context for understanding it. so, then there was the actual witness testimony that was gathered. we know that the department of justice is asking the committee for transcripts. and for the documents that they have collected. and so that, that seems like the committee is fulfilling and actual investigatory role. and the justice department must also be doing. it but perhaps not in exactly the same way with the same people. >> it all makes sense as we are about to go into, this i appreciate talking to you here on labor day. and i appreciate the nuance that you are shared. not that it surprise me, emily bazelon, giving your writing in your work. that you could be pro labor day as policy, but also choose to work a little bit on labor day as a choice. >> labor of love, ari melber. >> that's the other l o l. even better than laughing. the labours of love.
good to see you emily. >> we appreciate emily's time, as i mentioned, a special report on this entire coal conspiracy. i'll be there with you this next hour, it's part of our special labor day coverage. we're gonna go through these, plots i have shown you the arrows, that is how we've tried to document and track this with the updated reporting. we're going to get into all of it, here on the, beat 7 pm eastern labor day, after this break. er thi break.
hello, this is a special report, inside trump's election plot, on the effort to steal the race and stage a coup with new evidence tonight, showing it is far broader than even prosecutors first thought. we're breaking down the path to a criminal conspiracy, and why experts now think the most serious charges may be yet to come. why are we doing this now? the house insurrection hearing showed the nation that january 6th was m