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all a very, very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, it is good to be back with you, thanks for staying up late with us, i will see you all at the end of tomorrow. end of tomorrow. it was three weeks ago when the washington post published this bombshell piece, it's hard to ignore a report with a towel like this. -- sources say. the post reported the fbi agents were concerned that classified documents related to nuclear weapons could be found a trump speech club down in florida. to which the former president quickly and vehemently told the world, quote, nuclear weapons issued is a hoax, just like russia, russia, russia was a hoax. impeachments were a hoax, the mueller investigation was a hoax, and much more. same sleazy people involved.
in the days after, trump kept bringing up the washington post report again and again. on august 26 affidavit every redacted, nothing mentioned on nuclear. a few days later, quote, whatever happened to nuclear? a word leaked early on by fbi doj to the fake news media. something about that whole nuclear thing really hurt donald trump. i got under his skin. but besides trump's outbursts, four days after that reporting, we heard nothing about the washington post reporting on those nuclear secrets, no other news outlet confirmed the post alarming reporting. but then a week ago, a week ago tonight, the justice department revealed in a court filing in an unsealed subpoena from may that the documents and the doj was looking for documents at mar-a-lago, once that included a classification called, formerly restricted data. that's a definition that
concerns nuclear weapons. now, tonight, the intrepid reporters at the washington post are at it again. headline, material on foreign nations nuclear capabilities seized at trump's mar-a-lago. here is the lead, court, a document describing a foreign governors military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by fbi agents who searched former president donald trump's mar-a-lago residents a private club last month, underscoring concerns among u.s. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the florida property. some of the seized documents detail top secret documents, so closely guarded, the man's secret national security officials are kept in the dark about them. only the president, some members of his cabinet or in your cabinet level official could authorize other government officials to know details of the special access program. records that deal with such
programs are kept under lock and key almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, a skiff, with a designated control officer to keep careful taps on the location. such documents were stored at mar-a-lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after donald trump left the white house. it was in this last batch of government secrets that information about a foreign governance nuclear readiness was found. >> what is it that donald trump said about nothing mentioning nuclear, nothing mentioning nuclear? joining us now is carol leonnig, pulitzer prize national investigative reporter for the national post and wanted to buy lines on this blockbuster reporting tonight. you have answered the president's calls, kara, definitively. indeed, it does seem like nuclear secrets were found at mar-a-lago. can you walk us through the whole process? we knew a myth that the department of justice maybe was looking for this kind of material in their subpoena to the grand jury. what has happened since? >> great question, alex.
because of my great colleague devlin barrett who i called on the story with, the public learned in may that the department of justice was seeking also took classified records at barr legault, but they included records that are particularly sensitive that involve nuclear capabilities are really what you will consider a foreign government or the u.s. government ability to wage nuclear war. where are they on that continuum? are they seeking nuclear ingredients, recipes, equipment, do they have the capacity that we are worried about? are they a true nuclear rival? these are all records and materials that are covered by the classification that the department of justice sought in
its may subpoena for records at the former presidents part-time residence and golf club, i'm sorry, resort club, so we know that's what happened, they were looking for it but i also learned along my colleague that when they made the subpoena, they were kind of throwing the kitchen sink, concerned about anything with these kinds of classification records, anything with these markings that was stuff that needed to be under lock and key. now we know that while they were seeking some of the material, lo and behold, they found some. don't know which foreign government is involved, we have some theories, but we published what we can't establish with great certainty, and that is that among the rapper records seized, there were details so classified, so concerning, that it was covered by this classification material that relates to a foreign government nuclear capacity. >> i think it bears mentioning, the degree to which the doj
really had to have this material down, right? trump had several bites of the apple, if you will, in terms of returning these papers that belong to the government back to the government. he had all of 2021, he had january when he sent over the first couple of boxes. he had a chance in june when the doj came down to mar-a-lago, and yet these nuclear secrets, so ultra classified, that you have to look at them in a secure department facility, he did not return those any of the times previous, and in fact, they were not discovered, it sounds like until the doj got that search warrant to go inside mar-a-lago. is that material to the investigation the fact that this is not seeded willingly back to the government? >> it's huge. it's why in the search warrant, which was executed august 8th, when they seized these records and began looking for them, it's huge that before that happened, two months before that search and that search
warrant, the government was asking for these records and was told, we've done a search, the trump team set june 3rd, we looked at everything, after a diligence urge, there is no more classified material down here. well, who told trump's lawyers these are the boxes to look in? here, you can see all my records, or how diligence was that search because it did not take the government more than about 8 to 9 hours on site to get this trove of hundreds and hundreds of documents. i will also add one of the things that i think is important, alex, about what we learned in the last couple of hours that is in the story by devlin myself, and that is that one of the biggest alarm bells that begins ringing in investigator years after the august 8th search is that some of the records are records that they cannot look at.
they don't have the classification, and that includes some of the senior most national security officials in the country. there are in some instances for the special access programs, and i am not speaking specifically of records seized at mar-a-lago, but the category of special access program, super, super secret, as few as a dozen people can be read into the programs. the president or a cabinet level official, someone near to a cabinet official, as to approve someone being read into review the records. again, keep in mind, the alarm bells that we are hearing about from multiple sources, on august 8th, when they start looking at these records is, oh my goodness, i'm not supposed to look at this. now, that is bizarre world, when you think about the fact that they were just in a storage room or in the former president's office or residence, -- not only should these things be under lock and key in scif, they should not be accessible to anyone who lives, works or briefs at mar-a-lago. there is no one there that has read into the programs that top national security officials already into.
>> yeah, they were effectively being stored in like the basement of an event venue, and the big security was the fact that there was only one key to the closet. it is staggering when you think about and contextualize the level of security afforded this kind of information traditionally, with the information is housed where it's supposed to be. do you know, caro, how the doj officials who did not actually have the security clearance to rediscover eventually got that clearance? how did they actually discover all this that they were not supposed to be looking at it? >> i have to tell you, the
sources that we have have not provided that information about the senior most officials, and the process by which they looked at this material. but i would guess, a big guess, that somebody had to be deputize and multiple people had to be authorized and were given the need to know authorization and read into the special access programs so that they could review the documents, as part of an ongoing and increasingly more alarming criminal investigation. >> carol leonnig, washington post national investigative reporter, bombshell reporting that will have repercussions i am sure. we will hear from some point about the former president about these nuclear secrets that were reportedly housed at his beaches in mar-a-lago. thank you, carol, for making the time to be here on this busy evening. >> of course. >> joining us now is someone uniquely qualified to speak to this latest reporting, former cia director, john brennan. director brennan, thank you so much for joining us, particularly on short notice with the buccaneers. let me first get right into it. what was your reaction when you read the headline that there were nuclear secrets being housed down at mar-a-lago, that the former president was loathe to give up and appeared to have lied about even when in possession of? >> it's hard to be surprised by anything we learned that donald trump my app done.
still, it's quite shocking. i don't know about the documents, but based on karen's the script in, it does sound as though these are documents that are part of special access programs. these are documents that are the most highly sensitive and highly restrictive for the new u.s. government. some of these programs still specifically with nuclear capabilities, whether it's our own, the nuclear capabilities of our allies or our adversaries, these documents usually are kept in safe inside of gifts. it's not just that there are insides gifts, but they are in saves. -- there are only certain individuals that are authorized to see these documents, the sun in and out. when i worked at the white house with president bombers first term, i had access to some of the programs, when i
went to cia, i did not have access to them because there is a strict need to know, when you try to keep the number of individuals who have access to them to a strict minimum. to think that they were held at mar-a-lago in this very unrestricted, storage facility, it really raises serious, serious questions about whether or not anybody saw them, who shouldn't have, and whether or not our national security, or maybe the national security of our allies have been compromised. >> i would imagine that these documents would figure prominently into avril haines, the office of the national intelligence is conducting a parallel review to see if our national security was compromised in this document breach if you will. how would she go about thinking about these nuclear documents being held down at mar-a-lago in a storage facility that is calling the story for state facility is being generous.
>> i'm sure others are gassed about what they have found to have been located at mar-a-lago. and they are conducting this assessment right now. trying to determine what of our sources methods and systems might be at risk. so if this is a document that is about foreign countries and the capabilities, how do we access that information? how was it that we became familiar and knowing of either an adversary or an ally has in a nuclear realm? and so therefore i think they west of intelligence community right now is looking at what they might need to do in order to ensure that these, whether human sources or sensitive technical systems are going to be protected. and it's going to be very difficult to determine what exactly who might have had access to these documents. so i think there are gonna be some people who are going to say, we have to assume that these documents were accessed by somebody who shouldn't have seen them and therefore we need to take these steps in order to protect human sources and technical collection systems. >> let me ask you a question as you detailed the level of security for these documents. a safe inside a skiff, right? how would it come to pass that the president would be able to take one of these documents
back home to mar-a-lago, i may do you have any theories on how he would be able to sort of exit the facility, dump it in a box, and get down to his beach club? because that seems again, given the safeguards in place, a very difficult thing to accomplish. >> well these documents usually are moved in the white house complex. inside of envelope, or files, with a cocoon shape, that clearly says that they are top secret and highly sensitive programs. they might have been some type of briefing and the white house situation room or the oval office that was dealing with the specific nuclear issue. and that trump decided to take the documents with him back to the residents. and then just squirrel it away. they number, the volume of documents that he had in mar-a-lago's indicates that he was taking these documents at the regular basis. the special access program, it would've had to been signed up, would've had seven come from a skiff and a safe, someone would've had to deliver to him, and he would've had to -- despite the protests station of
others who were probably quite concerned and worried about his retaining them. >> so you are saying there's a level of intentionality here? because throughout this reporting, especially the trump side, are trying to make the picture of a president who would like to keep things and was kind of a paper monger. he would keep a lot of things on his desk, a twist get shot in a box. sometimes people don't know where it was going or how to use it, but this kind of information you are painting a more vivid picture, you can't just unintentionally show it off he does get into a box. this is something that needs to be, that is safeguarded, in terms of every hand it is held in.
is that right? >> absolutely! it was intentional. there's no classified documents that say in the oval office overnight. because yet cleaning clues and others that come through. so that office is swept intentionally every day to make sure that there is going to be nothing left in the inadvertently out so someone can access it that shouldn't see it. so therefore, you know i was the country question in my mind, why would he select these documents, i want to thousands upon thousands, that pass his hands, or at least when it went into his office are told him about over his four years. so this, if these documents are described carroll, deal with
the nuclear capabilities of a foreign country, it really raises serious, serious concerns about what he was planning to do with a document, or may have already done with these documents and the information and their. and this is something that i am so concerned with the equipment of the special master's, the fbi's investigation may be delayed because they need to find out who might have had access to these documents. as soon as possible, so they can take the appropriate mitigating messages that need to be taken. >> let me just follow up on that really quickly. what rest does this pose? we are talking about information about a foreign government nuclear defense readiness. you are the former director of the cia, what is the risk there? >> well again, i don't know what if this is an ally or an adversary. it might identify with a capabilities but also the vulnerabilities are. what they're weaknesses are. what the shortcomings are. and whether you are an ally or an adversary that is something we certainly don't want our adversaries to find out about. because it could be exploited. and so we don't want our adversaries to know what we know about their nuclear programs because we design our defense strategy in order to address the capabilities.
so having the documents like this and maybe other documents as well out there that could be accessed by those who are not authorized to see it, and then share it with folks overseas and ices it before, i am certain that russian intelligence was targeting mar-a-lago over the past 20 months or so. trying to get people in there, whether the guest, caterers, or cleaning staff, or whatever else. i'm sure it was a priority intelligence target for russian intelligence given donald trump 's pensions forward being rather careless and reckless with our national security secrets. mar-a-lago was not ask, it is not a skiff, and the ability that people can get in there and possibly access these documents again, it just makes me shudder at the thought of what the implications, the consequences of his reckless irresponsibility could be. >> statement of the year. mar-a-lago was not a skiff! former cia director john brennan, thank you so much for making time this evening. really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> we will have more on this breaking news next, co-editor and chief in just a clarity, ryan goodman, joins me here to rex's latest reporting and also to go over the net symbols of the special master process and what we can expect next from the doj.
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to new washington post reporting, that a classified document relating to the nuclear weapons of a foreign nation, now that we know that was among those papers thoughts at mar-a-lago last month, how is all of that going to affect the damage of us being conducted by the office of the director of national intelligence. also there is still the issue of the special master that needs to be dealt with. after two weeks of will share,
or won't shape, trump appointed -- a callan finally wrote a labor day that yes, trump look at that special master or third-party arbiters if you, well and in a mysterious case of how over 11,000 government records including over 100, 100, that were classified or a top secret designations. how all that paper landed by trump's beach club in florida. just cannot wrote that trump will get that request for the special master, to decide which documents are covered under attorney client privilege and also, more surprisingly, which are covered by executive privilege. that stop the presses willing estate has left the doj with some decisions and now has to make. first and most essentially what we do now? does the department appeal the ruling? a doj spokesperson said yesterday that the government is quote examining the opinion and it will consider appropriate next epps and the ongoing litigation. there is also the issue of what is sometimes referred to as the justice department 60 deny need a rule. it's not an actual role but rather a department policy that prohibits investigative steps that could potentially influence and upcoming election. and of course we are now 63
days from election day. so will that stop the department from taking any further steps this criminal investigation? and then there is a director of national intelligence and her ongoing damage assessment at those documents to see if trump's on authorized handling of storage of them potentially handed national security. that review, just ten and, world is allowed to continue. supposedly. the office of the -- national intelligence as part of the into executive branch so what does it mean that that office can continue its work while the doj cannot as it considers or concerns these documents from mar-a-lago and august. and finally there's a question of who in the world it's going to serve as a special master in this case. that person will likely need a top secret clearance. and you cannot find people with those credentials on linkedin. the judge also wrote that the justice department to trump's team by friday have to jointly file a list of potential candidates for the job and they
need to outline the duties and limits of that person's role. i mean way do you find someone like that and who would even want that job? i think it is safe to say that we are long way away of a special master being appointed and who knows, the government may decide to fight this ruling in the interim. joining us now is ryan goodman, former special counsel of the department defense and co-editor and chief object security. mr. goodman, good to see you tonight. so this, the revelation about nuclear secrets to begin the cattle documents seats in august, it seems would add great urgency to all of those questions, right? how do you think that informs the justice department decision about what to do here? >> it's a great question. i think it must mean that they have to act with urgency and has got to put a big thumb on the scale that they appeal their or her decision immediately, and that the ask a court of appeals for an urgent sensational paroling. and the court of appeals can do that, while we review your questions of law, we're gonna stop what she did to you. and you can go ahead and use the materials for your investigation.
>> okay and with that to stop the process as it is, or sorry, stopped the special master process as it is, and allowed them to move forward given the sort of implication of national security? >> they can do it one of two ways, you can still use the material while the special master's going on, or they can even say stop the special master as well. because it's such a bizarre notion of a special master to be reviewing documents for executive privilege. we never had that in this country. so they could also say, wait, that's also hampering a very critical investigation now that we know, nuclear material was in the mix, that would be a reason for them to act quickly. >> if that isn't granted though, what happens here? because odni, the office of director intelligence, gets a continue her review, but she also, that department needs to work with the rest of the doj in tandem, right? >> 100 percent! in fact the government has said that the directive is that the odni works with the department
of justice. they could've -- either the prime justices, but the fbi unacceptable, it's intermingled, so i understand the judge was saying you can go ahead with the damage assessments. but how is it the same people, they to refer back to the fbi agents who have been working the case and say what is a change of custody for the nuclear document? are there fingerprints other nuclear documents? for the damage assessments, and then this folks have to say we can't touch it, the judge has said that the order is we can't use it, we are not allowed to look at it, and if we are in a criminal case, we can talk to you. that's what she has wreaked, that's the havoc that she has great, and i do think that is why the justice department might say to themselves, we just got to appeal this. and the court of appeals might say we are gonna take it. >> we are with you on this. >> what about i mean entertain if you well this notion of a special master given the nuclear secrets we are finding out about. how impossible does it make, i mean how impossible is it to find the candidate who can review all the staff who was mutually agreed upon by both parties?
i mean that just seems like a fantasy. >> i agree, i think it's going to be hard to see on friday if they do go through and they don't appeal that they will come together on a common agreement of who could be the special master. because it's a small universal of people in this country. that can even have a qualifications, let alone agreement. because are they someone that just step out of the trump administration and they have an active clearance? plus i passed half staff as well. and the trump lawyers have to be cleared to be able to see nuclear secrets. you know -- so this is what she is created for as in part because we've never had a special master deal with this kind of sensitive information and executive privilege. to deal with attorney-client privilege. we see something they can easily handle. >> so you are the mines because this is so extraordinary. the special master's put aside for the moment, the work continues. that's the best-case scenario, it sounds like you think that might be the most likely given the sort of implication for national security vis-à-vis this nuclear secrets.
what happens -- let's assume that happens. that what happens next in the doj's investigation, if they can move forward? forward it should necessarily, i about, studied, research them, and all the times. and it's stuff like candidates who might need in the election. so donald trump doesn't fit the bill. we can imagine garland says, we've got an abundance of caution. we're not taking any major oversteps in the investigation. until after the midterms. but then, after the midterms, it looks like they've got a mountain of evidence in which they could identify unannounced moment i think about indictment or not. >> they could move fairly quickly, potentially, after november. do you think there's any recourse for donald trump in all of this? he has protested balloon repeatedly. there is nothing you clear there, and boom, we have reporting, this evening, that says there was in fact nuclear. it was very very serious. classified information. >> yes, makes me wonder. was he trying to get out ahead of this because if you have
nuclear material in your storage or your office. you would probably know that. >> sounds like he would've known that. >> i think doctor brennan was totally accurate about. that it speaks to both listened intently out to you described as well. but so he has no idea good that is. there it's a husband more incriminating that he's been saying it we now find out that is actually exactly what is. they're >> the opposite of what he said, is what is true. something we have heard before with donald trump. ryan goodman, co-editor and chief of just security and a law professor at nyu. thank you so much for your time and expertise tonight. okay, up next here tonight, we will take a look into why the background of the judge who approved trump's request for a special master, to go over this mar-a-lago documents, has some people raising their eyebrows. and, congresswoman, camilla dai fall things democrats may not only hold sinister november. she takes to have a real shot of keeping the house. she will join us, live next. join us, live next.
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search. she granted on trump's request to allow an independent special master to go through all of the material seized from trump's home. here with new york times headline. the problematic, experts questioned judges intervention in trump inquiry. one former homeland security official from the george w. bush administration called it, a genuinely unprecedented decision by a judge. a harvard lawful professor called cannon's reasoning, then at best and deeply problematic. at new york university law professor told the times, the judge chose a radical path. so basically, the entire legal community is shocked by this judges call. but you know who isn't? donald trump. you know why? judge aileen candid, the judge who made this decision, was appointed by him donald trump. she was confirmed in the final days of his presidency, after trump lost the 2020 election. like, many trump appointees, jeb cannon's longtime member of the federal society. a well financed and highly
influential conservative group. that aligned itself with trump well before he was even elected. the federalist society is instrumental in champion the hard-line conservative views and pass to the conservative movement. and, getting them appointed to the federal bench. case in point, should the justice department choose to appeal this ruling? they will be doing so in the 11th circuit. and appeals court where the majority of judges were also appointed by, donald trump. several of those other trump appointees are also members of the federalist society. above that court there is the suffering court. with a 6 to 3 conservative majority. one were half. half the conservative judges, were appointed by donald trump. and all three of trump's supreme court nominees were also handpicked by the federalist society. that is a lot of hard line conservatives on the bench courtesy of donald trump, and the federalist society. a very successful core production. remember that during his
presidency, trump and mitch mcconnell pointed more than 200 judges to lifetime appointments on the federal bench. and cutting those three supreme court seats. one of which less we forget senator mcconnell blatantly stole from president obama. of all the judges currently on the federal bench, more than a quarter of them, a quarter of them, were appointed by donald trump. in just four years, trump and mcconnell pointed 54 judges to federal appeals court. nearly as many barack obama confirmed during his entire eight-year presidency. most of trump's judicial nominees were very young at the time of their domination. they are all extremely conservative. i've been candid, for example, the judge in this mar-a-lago case. it's only 41 years old. she was 39 when trump dominated her as a district judge. kenneth had worked as a clerk for a conservative judge on the eighth circuit court of appeals, but other conservative trump appointees have not had the most extensive resume's. considering that these are lifetime judicial appointments. take 35-year-old,, kathryn
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eileen candid, and catherine basel, and justin walker, they all suggest that something else, something particularly partisan, maybe at play. and for democrats, who currently hold both the white house in the senate, the only way to fight back maybe to remake the federal bench, tonight the senate returned to washington to finish its work for the year. which includes confirming a whole lot of president biden's judicial nominees. just last, week president biden named eight more judges from the senate to confirm to the federal bench. but despite confirming judges at a pace unmatched by any president since jfk. . there remains a lot to do. there are still 78 district and appeals court vacancies to fill before the end of this year. when democrats could very well lose control of the senate. so tiktok, right? >> tonight, democrats confirmed the new circuit court judge in illinois and tomorrow's antidemocratic will hold hearings for six more federal judges. if they needed any more evidence about why these things matter. they need to look no further,
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north carolina congressional candidate. bo hines. way back in the month of june. right off top the website led from a quote from hind saying i am 100% pro-life. when you went down to the issues a section called life and family was literally frightened center. and when you could find you got. this quote, val hines will always defend the pro-life movement. the word always is pretty funny there. because this is behinds website today. not only is there no mention of abortion or of behind being pro-life. the site dropped the life in family section all together. just like gone. hands are so sick style. over in colorado's new eight district, republican candidate, barbara kirk meyer removed language saying she would defend the sanctity of life from her website and took down a message of her speaking at an antiabortion rally earlier this year. that is all stuff that you see on the front page of a website. that virginia, leslie vague and the republican candidate for virginia's seventh district made a teeny tiny changed her twitter bio.
harris's her twitter profile back in july. side by side with a twitter profile today. everything is exactly the same except for one sentence,, which has been cut, she no longer matches that she was an appointee of president donald trump. it sort of seems like she maybe doesn't want that association anymore. by now you've probably heard the story of republican senate candidates. scrubbing their public profiles like this. it makes sense that those stories are front page news. the senator sear was always going to be a toss-up. but, the reason i'm cherry-pick these republican house candidates, is because all of their races are turning out to be way closer than anyone predicted. clearly, some of these republicans are getting pretty nervous. just a few months ago, all of the coverage of the midterm election was about the red wave. the question that was not really a question, if, if the republicans win the house. but by how much. how colossal with the margin be. but they take the house by 40 seats, or by 60 seats.
but now, the political parties republican taken the house as no longer a, quote, foregone conclusion. don't get me wrong. democrats are still at a disadvantage here. it is a midterm election, with a sitting democratic president, that is the kind of place where the republicans should sweep. but with so many issues and rejecting the democratic base, and with republicans literally trying to distance themselves from their own stances. do democrats have a fighting chance here? joining us now is jayapal, she's a democratic congressman from the great state of washington. the chair of the congressional caucus. and, she thinks democrats could keep the house this november. congresswoman jayapal, thank you for being with us tonight. >> alex, it is great to see you. and congratulations. on your show. we are also excited for you. >> thank you so much. i want to get to this theory of yours. which seems to be supported by some anecdotal evidence, i
would say. about democrats chances in the house. the first thing everyone is thinking about terms of a seismic shift is the top decision and the supreme court, and what that has done to energize women. i want to quote a stat here. this is data from the firm target smart. women, after the dobbs agent. women became nearly 70% of all new voters registered in the state of kansas. we know what happened in kansas. vis-à-vis, abortion. but do you think that this trend line of women being energized, and outrage. i don't know exactly what the word is. but engaged in a midterm election, like never before. have you seen that pattern holding true elsewhere in the country? >> you know, this is exactly what i predicted. after the jobs decision. i said republicans have no idea the fury and the wrath of women across the country and their families, by the way. who absolutely are going to rebel against the idea that a
constitutional right to make choices about your own body, freedom. and we have taken as our own for the last 50 years. that we would sit back and allow that to be taken away by an extremist supreme court. republican supreme court. and these maga extremists. i think that is what you are seeing. it is going to hold it is holding across the country. even in some of the special elections that you are seeing. even in the kansas decision that you saw for the ballot initiative. to strip these rights away in the state of kansas. you saw voters rebel. you saw new voters registering, particularly women voters and young voters. that, once again, women are gonna save the country. i think. it is a very important piece. but along with that of course, the fact that we are protecting our freedoms on every level. this is the same time that donald trump, and the
mar-a-lago scandal outrageous behavior of donald trump with these documents. it is also happening. and, at the same time, alex. the democrats have delivered. over and over and over again. on climate. change on. jobs on wages going. up on so many different things. chips, manufacturing. the pack. back taking care of our veterans. so we have shown what we can do with tiny tiny majorities. it is really all of that put together in one package that gives me real hope. >> i want to talk about the trump mar-a-lago scandal for one moment. what is that doing? i would assume that that is going to move independents? do you know who that news is swaying. it is a constant drumbeat we have breaking news this evening. regarding the fact that there are nuclear secrets that he had scruggs with mar-a-lago. i mean, who is that most affecting in terms of the midterm voters? >> i think it is the independent voters. some republicans, i mean, liz
cheney republicans. let's put it that way and configure republicans. people who understand that the threat to our democracy is very great. but this is not about policy. it is about our constitution. and it is that category of republican. who actually believe that we need to protect our democracy from somebody who would try to destroy it. try to steal an election. as well as the independents. so those two categories. combine that with a substantial turnout from our base. and engagement from our base. and i think that is potentially what can really bring us across the finish line, in terms of holding the house. we talk a lot about what it means to be republican in the age of trump. and the way in which it's kind of a mixed bag but the endorsement,, the direct endorsement of donald trump seems to help republican candidates. and he's very much remade the party,, in his image. but we don't talk about as much about what it means to be a democrat. i'm sort of wondering your thoughts about what they are in
terms of where the party is at. you know that there are strong progressive candidates that have done really well in primaries this year. i believe,, greg caesar in texas. some early in pennsylvania. do they roam areas in illinois max frost in florida, maxwell frost. the progressive caucus seems to be growing, and i know you're the visit -- the chair of the house progressive caucus. what can you tell us about the size, the shape, the makeup, of the democratic party right now. which is a very big party. >> yes, and i think, first of all, the democratic party has become more and more progressive. and populists. that is thanks to the progressive movement across the country. but you see that a lot of progressive ideas have been taken up as the my mainstream of the democratic party. things like raising wages. you know? making sure people have a decent lovable wage. you know, things like making sure that we are taking on climate change. a lot of the things that we
have been fighting for. universal childcare. universal pre-k. this is the presidents agenda. this is joe biden's agenda. it is the democratic party's agenda. and i think it is an agenda that is about lifting up working people. vulnerable people. giving people a shot. at better lives. better opportunities. that is really what democrats are all about. i think that is what we've shown from the american rescue plan. all the way to the inflation reduction act. and i think everything in between. that's what we've shown. we're gonna stand up for regular people, not for the special interest. we are a party that cares about people having opportunity, alex. opportunity like what i had when i came to this country at 16, by myself. as an immigrant. i think that is what we are fighting for. that is what we've shown we can deliver. >> you think that the dems can hold the house. congresswoman, camilla jayapal are gonna come back to november.
and see about your predictions and prognostications. good luck with everything. it is great to have you. thanks for sharing some time today. >> thank you alex. we >> will be right back. we >> will be right back from over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens, day after day. feel the clarity and make today the most wonderful time of the year. live claritin clear. announcer: type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. announcer: ozempic® provides powerful a1c reduction. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c
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tonight we will see you again tomorrow. now it is time for the last word with the great, lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening, we have better 20th night. to continue this washington post breaking news story tonight that, of course, of course donald trump had nuclear secrets at's winter home and, i looked, let's remember. it is winter home. he hasn't been there since like maybe april or something? may, as soon as it got a little too hot. so he has left them alone in the house that he abandons for the season, until the fall's. you know most people who have that second home page, when they close up, and they move