that is the first. tonight we will see you again tomorrow. now it is time for the last word with the great, lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening, we have better 20th night. to continue this washington post breaking news story tonight that, of course, of course donald trump had nuclear secrets at's winter home and, i looked, let's remember. it is winter home. he hasn't been there since like maybe april or something? may, as soon as it got a little too hot. so he has left them alone in the house that he abandons for the season, until the fall's. you know most people who have that second home page, when they close up, and they move to

the other home for the season, they tend to take the nuclear secrets with them. >> they pack up the perishable, the home, the pets, the kids if they have them, and then nuclear secrets. >> yeah. >> and also lawrence, may i just add to that, of course on a troubled when treating inexorably, or truth social-ing incessantly that there have been no nuclear, at, all whatsoever, total hoax, for the last several weeks. and now as it turns out, indeed there was nuclear. but with donald trump ups and downs down is up, nuclear service up along in the scif stay in your closet. >> we look forward to his defense about the -- luscious talk about donald, why did you leave the nuclear secrets there when you went to new jersey? why did to at least bring them with? you >> put him in a suitcase, have a great show or! >> thank you, alex thank you. >> well thanks to donald trump

and the republican party adopt in trumpian attitudes, we now tonight know the name of the next republican nominee for the united states supreme court. if donald trump is the next republican president, then his short list for the supreme court will only include one name. that is probably also the case for florida's governor ron desantis, if he is the next republican president, including the fact that name comes from florida. this feature supreme court nominee is young enough to remain at the top of the republican shortlist for the supreme court for as long as it takes for another republican to win the electoral college. this bigger supreme court nominee is about 20 years away from turning 60. a lean mercedes candidate. publicly applied for the job of supreme court justice, in writing, yesterday, in a 24 -page opinion ordering a so-called special master to examine all of the evidence seized by the fbi from donald trump's home in florida. just a lean mercedes cannon, who was appointed to a federal judgeship in the last months of

donald trump's presidency, is now only in our second year as a federal judge. and has suffered a great deal of what she would call reputational's -- in the last 24 hours. she issued her 24-page opinion which has no connective tissue to pre-existing legal scholarship in america. there is no known leader legal reason for anything in the judges order, and so judge alien mercedes cannon did what donald trump would've done if you are a federal judge. she just made it up. one of the most absurd notions in her order, giving donald trump everything he asked for, is the idea that a future indictment of donald trump, based on this evidence, quote, would result in reputation harm. the only way donald trump could donald trump suffer -- if the evidence contained child pornography, which it cannot.

you cannot suffer reputation harm if you have already destroyed your reputation. if you have already had got caught at all prompted pink -- to point star stormy guys there by her side about having sense with you, shortly after your current wife caper. you cannot suffer reputation harm now. you cannot suffer reputation harm now after getting caught in 2016 saying this. >> yeah that's her with the gold. i bet you something catches in case i start kissing her. you know, i'm automatically attracted to beautiful, i just start kissing. them it's like a magnet, just

kiss. i don't even wait. and when you are star you let them do it. you can do anything. >> what have you. want >> to grab them by the -- . you can do anything. >> donald trump has already told this judge and the world that he personally believes it is impossible for him to ever suffer reputation ill harm. >> i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and search somebody, and i would lose any voters, okay? it's like incredible! >> not a trump reputation could not be worse among the people who refuse to vote for him and his reputation can never be harmed with the people who do vote for him. but judge alien mercedes cannon wrote an order to save donald trump from reputation all harm. that was your phrase. reputation harm. you are gonna hear from some lawyers in a moment who will give you their professional view of what's just candid.

but for those who didn't go to law school, you need to only now that she claims she is issuing an order to protect donald trump's reputation. his protect's reputation from the harm of a possible future indictment and never mind that every indictment ever issued in this country has hurt the reputation of the person names in the indictment. sometimes those criminal charges are dismissed, sometimes the indicted person is found not guilty in court, and throughout that process, there is nothing that can protect the defendants reputation other than the strength of the defendants defense. and we have not heard one word of donald trump's defense of why he was in possession of federal government property including nuclear secrets. not one word of explanation or defense from donald trump about that. not one word from donald trump trying to save himself right now from reputational harm. but a federal judge appointed by donald trump has taken on the job of protecting donald trump from reputation harm.

that is something donald trump couldn't do for himself, when he settled the trump university fraud case from $25 million that he had to pay to the victims of this fraud. we could fill this hour with one liners of donald trump's poisonous reputation from his days as a young night clubbing landlord, accused by the federal government, along with his father, of using racist practices and renting apartments, violating civil rights law, to standing accused tonight in a lawsuit by -- of rape and standing accused tonight as a defendant in a lawsuit of brought by kept -- donald trump's incitement of violent insurrection on january six and the physical attack and brutality against police officers at the capitol that day. capitol police say donald trump did it. capitol police say donald trump attacked them every bit as much as the people who were hitting them with baseball bats and hitting them with hairspray, and speier ends up trump flags. and american flags. that man who is already defending trump in those cases

has no reputation to protect us. and a federal judge he appointed decided to do that. sometimes the judicial opinion, is about the law and the constitution, and not about the offer of the opinion. that is true if someone most important judicial appointments in the history of this country brown versus the board of education was unanimous opinion. but the united states supreme court in 1954, desegregating america schools. the supreme court order to president richard nixon was a unanimous decision of the supreme court ordering the president of the united states to hand over evidence to a special prosecutor investigating that president. that case was decided on the law and the constitution, not politics, and certainly not because of who appointed those supreme court justices, three of those justices who ordered richard nixon to hand over evidence to a prosecutor were appointed by richard nixon. and that is what made us believe in the legitimacy of the supreme court, and sometimes even the nobility of the supreme court. and now those days are gone. because donald trump won the electoral college. and when the party to appoint federal judges. and using his appointment --

law and the constitution, not politics, and certainly not because of who appointed those supreme court justices, three of those justices who ordered richard nixon to hand over evidence to a prosecutor were appointed by richard nixon. and that is what made us believe in the legitimacy of the supreme court, and sometimes even the nobility of the supreme court. and now those days are gone. because donald trump won the electoral college. and when the party to appoint federal judges. and using his appointment power, donald trump was not guided by qualifications or the constitution. he was guided by the godfather. >> someday, and that they may never come, i'll call upon you to do a service. >> someday and that they may never come, i will call upon you to do a service for me. as the day came that donald trump needed a service from judge alien mercedes cannon. pope >> and she did it. that is a story. that's the story.

all the legal-ism aside is a story as simple and clear and dark, and sinister as the story told by francis for coppola in mariupol is over three years ago. and their oscar winning play screenplay the godfather. and a 24-page questionnaire fall with the doj committee before her confirmation for her federal judge, she was asked how she would handle potential conflicts of interest. and judge cannon said in writing, i will evaluate any other real or potential conflict, or relationship that could give rise to appearance of a conflict on a case by case basis.

she said she would consider recusal were necessary. she said in writing to the senate judiciary committee simply the appearance of a conflict could be a reason for her to recuse herself from a case, but instead of a recusal. she has publicly embraced the appearance of conflict and given the person that appointed her to her judgeship everything. everything he asked for. and in the process, judge aileen cannon has suffered massive reputation harm among fair minded legal analyst and scholars, and other judges. but at the same time has surely

secured for herself the position at the very top of a list for the next republican appointment to the supreme court any. leading off our discussion tonight is bradley moss, national security attorney, also with us is broadway mcclain,. former -- eastern district of michigan, she is now professor at the university of michigan law school, and co-host of the podcast sisters in law, also paul butler, law professor -- georgian and a former federal prosecutor. he's an msnbc legal analyst. the news tonight that we now know, but yes indeed, nuclear secrets were in these documents, nuclear secrets about the capabilities of another country, possibly an ally, a close ally, like israel, or possibly a potential adversary like china, or north korea. is that those are among the documents that donald trump last, left unattended, at his home, in florida, after he came north for the season. that is part, that is included in the investigation that this

judge is now trying to slow down for donald trump. what does it all mean to you with that perspective of the news tonight? >> yeah lawrence, in my view, the ruling that we got yesterday was crafted by a judge appointed by donald trump for donald trump in a case that would only be ever be up likable to donald trump. criminal defense lawyers gotta be salivating over this ruling thinking how they might be able to use this rather flawed and efficient -- or bring a special masses on all this cases. it's never going to happen. this will be a one-off that will only apply because according to judge cannon, donald trump is very partial, and donald trump deserves every privilege because he is donald trump. to incorporate what we learned tonight, i don't follow, even from judge cannons ruling, what is supposed to happen with this special master as they go through all of these records

that donald trump apparently will claim recovered by executive privilege. but will also highly classified. i don't follow from her analysis what she thinks the special master is going to do. say the record is all are all covered by executive privilege. under the supreme court president from the nixon era of the first one, the u.s. be nixon, it doesn't matter. even if for an incumbent president invoking that privilege, it has to give way for the criminal, or the interest in the criminal investigation to pursue potential criminal inquiry. what possible would exist here that would override it in the context of a former president? i have no idea what the special master is supposed to do. >> barbara mcquade, what is annexed epps here? >> while the justice department

and the lawyers for donald trump had been directed to submit to the court proposed names a special master's but also the rules that the special master would use in conducting a review and it may be that this is an avenue where the justice department could get some get some clarification or even more vacation for the order. the issue that brad just raised is such a good one which is what do you mean executive privilege exactly it's executive branch that wants the documents back. sometimes there is this ig idea of residual privilege of former president comes to third-party requests like congress but one is a very executive branch i want these documents back it's really a head-scratcher. so in this order, they could try to narrow the scope of what it is the special master's going to review. and then the other thing that would be useful in preparing this order is try to get some

clarity as to this injunction, with the judge has said that criminal investigation may not use these documents until further notice. does that include the investigation that needs to be done to interview witnesses, and the like, that could be part of a damage assessment. because there's a real overlap there. and i think she suggests that one is not related to the other. you can do the damage assessment without doing the criminal investigation. but they're really intertwined. so maybe getting some clarity there about how these can be used is someone who has read the documents, going to be precluded front working on the criminal investigation, for example. so i think that is what is next and that's a real opportunity i think for the justice department to clarify the limit of the impact of this order. >> paul butler, one document we

know can't possibly fit any definition of legal possession by donald trump and that is what the washington post is referring to tonight. which is donald trump in possession, in florida, which he left behind months ago there. it was taken by the final surge from the fbi when they got it. nuclear secrets about the nuclear program of another country, and that of course cannot by any interpretation be interpreted as something that donald trump gets to hold on to. or gets handed back, some special master's gonna have that handed back to him. so that is absolutely, no question about, it permits evidence it's, i was gonna be evidence in this case. if this becomes a criminal case, that's gonna be evidence in this case. >> yeah, lawrence that is right. the judge acknowledged that she is treating this case differently because it involves a former president.

but in our criminal legal system, no one is supposed to be above the law, someone the judge starts giving front these special consideration, she basically has to make it up. so she bless donald trump with a special master to review documents that under the law, don't even belong to him. this judge used to be a prosecutor, for judges also means that they are tough proponents of law in order criminal cases, but we are certainly not seeing that a judge cannot special treatment of donald trump. what yes that does not make much legal sense. but it certainly is helpful for the former president. >> bradley moss, it strikes me as entirely possible that by friday, the justice department and the trump lawyers will not agree on a possible special master. or impossible selection of two or three special masters. what happens then if there is no agreement, and if the judge just decide to pull on out of the half, what happens if the justice department believes that the special master pulled out of the judges special trump hat is not qualified to do the work or is a security risk in doing the work? >> that's a 64,000 dollar

question that no one truly knows the answer to yet. because we never have a special master for a case involving classified information. or really involving executive privilege. so we don't truly know for certain, we are all kind of speculating here, as to what would happen if the two sides do not come to an agreement on an acceptable for party. mind you, whoever is elected, already has to have an existing top security or secret security clearance. they have to be presumably someone who is not overly anti trump individual, because otherwise trump team will never agree to it. and they have to have some gravitas, some constitutional understanding of the issues. there's maybe a dozen people in the world, or start in the country, who would need that bill, or who can supreme former judge justice we can possibly do that. but beyond that, i don't know who they are gonna really pick, and if the two sides can't agree, i don't know who the judge is going to really select here and how this is going to be resolved. >> so when he was donald trump 's attorney general, william

barr, did deliver in that godfather transaction way to help mischaracterize the mueller report when it came out as somehow absolving donald trump, but in the end, he did not deliver in that godfather scene in the multiple godfather scenes in the white house, where donald trump was basically asking bill barr to please participate and cooperate in this fraudulent attempt to overturn the presidential election. and now the former attorney general barr is telling fox audiences what he thinks of this judge's opinion. let's listen to them. >> and the opinion i think was wrong. and i think the government should appeal it. it's deeply flawed in a number

of ways. i don't think the appointment of a special master is going to hold up. i think that the fundamental dynamics of the case are set, which is the government has very strong evidence of what it really needs to determine whether charges are appropriate. which is government documents were taken, classified information was taken, not handle appropriately. and they are looking into, and there's some evidence that suggest that they were deceived. >> barbara mcquade, your reaction to that? >> i agree with everything he just said. i don't really know what william barr's motivation isn't going out on television and making the statements, but i think he's 100 percent accurate. giving him the benefit of the doubt, i think he is as appalled as anybody that the secrets are in the basement of mar-a-lago.

he knows the kind of content of these documents. he knows the danger of releasing them into the wild. he knows what hostile foreign adversaries could do with this information. and the idea that we are treating donald trump with such kid gloves here it's really appalling. so i think he is calling it the way he sees it for once, and i think it's a very reasonable position. now i don't know whether it will have any effect on the ultimate decision of the judge in this case, or any appeal in this case. but at least i hope it does have some impact in the court of public opinion that it when donald trump has done, at least on his face, what appears to be the case based on the search warrants, a really profoundly disloyal act against the united states. and not only does he need to be held accountable if the evidence can prove the case, but we need to mitigate that damage immediately! and so any -- obstacle that gets in the way of doing that will harm our national security. >> paul butler, very tough decision at the justice department, whether to appeal this, william barr is saying the justice department should appeal it to protect its institutional position here. but that can cost them time. how do they make that decision?

>> the justice department doesn't have any great options. it can appeal but as you acknowledge, that could take months and there is a good chance that judge will be reversed, but there is no guarantee even if doj lost the appeal, they would be back at square one. the problem though is if doj does not appeal. they will still be a long delay of special master to be identified, that person might get a security clearing, that might take months. and the other big problem with not appealing is that doj does not know what else this judge is going to do! will she continue to grant these unusual benefits to the former president? the president who appointed her? so appealing might be important for the department to preserve the option of eventually presenting its best criminal case against donald trump. >> paul butler, bradley mosque, barbara mcquade, thank you all very much for joining our discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> after the strike, we're gonna go straight to washington post investigative report, devlin barrett, he will join us on the story of the night. it's the breaking news of the

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tonight the breaking news of the night is at the washington post is reporting donald trump kept top secret information about nuclear capabilities at his winter home in florida and he left that material their unprotected when he left his winter home to go north in the spring. our next guest tablet, and carroll leonnig is reporting in the washington post tonight a document that says a foreign governments -- including its nuclear capabilities was found by fbi agents who search former president donald trump's mar-a-lago residents and private club last month. according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among u.s. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the florida property. some of the seas documents detail top secret u.s. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. only the president, some members of his cabinet or a near cabinet level official

could authorize other government officials to know details of these special access programs according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of an anime to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation. documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need to know basis, not just top secret clearance. some special access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operations existence. records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location. but sex documents were stored at mar-a-lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after trump left the white house. joining us now is devlin

merrick, washington post reporter focusing on national security and law enforcement, and still with us as national security attorney bradley moss. -- thank you for joining us on our breaking news reporting tonight, donald trump had said on his social media site when this was first suggested the possibility of nuclear secrets being there, he said nuclear weapons issue is a hoax. your reporting tonight proves that indeed there was a nuclear information found angela clarify, it was found in the latest search by the fbi, not any of the voluntary handovers of information by trump. >> that is right, this was a result of the august search. and one of the things that i think is so important about the search is many of the agents working this case agents in prosecutors and counted evidence that was so closely held that the investigating agents and prosecutors themselves were not authorized

to read it and review it when they found it. and that speaks to the other piece of the story that we talk about, which is just how closely held some of the secrets where. >> the description that i just read of the way secrets like this i normally held, as you've described, it under lock and key, basically sounds like there is a person outside the door of that lock and key, that's a lock that it's as a heavier kind of security on a document at's exist. >> right, the whole point of the special actors programs and especially these tightly held special access programs, is that people don't lose track of anything, ever. obviously the system of native human so mistakes can happen, and even bad behavior can happen sometimes, but the whole system is designed not to have

any what they call ike, not to have any spillage. and so it is difficult for a lot of people in the intelligence community to really sort of wrap their heads around how much material that we are talking about. the sensitivity levels of the material, and these date in which it was fought according to the government. >> will we know what country -- will be at some point know what countries nuclear secrets donald trump was holding? >> we are working on, that i can tell you right now because the people that we talk to deny want to tell us that. >> bradley moss, if this goes to a courtroom, is it possible to present evidence like this without revealing what country is involved? >> yes, so there is a provision in law known as a classified information procedures act. it was created by congress to serve as sort of a mechanism, a protocol when there is a

criminal proceeding that -- classified information. it was meant to avoid a defendant be able to use classified information as a form of blackmail. so there are procedures under that law that allows the government to submit what is known as an unclassified substitute to describe to the jury what the documents were. there is the possibility for classified discovery, with a criminal defendant and their lawyers although there might be protective orders. and there can be although it's very where, there can be a classified presentation to a jury. but it is unlikely that the public, and that's disinformation lakes, to someone. it's unlikely that we will ever know the name of the particular country that issued, certainly

unlikely the government will ever officially acknowledge that. >> dublin, is there any indication of that we will find out who saw or had access to this particular documentation about the nuclear secrets of another country? >> so i think the way that i think about it is essentially a two-step process as part of this assessment. and the first step is understanding what the material is. what the sensitivities are. and potential harm is if it's got out into the wild. meaning if someone went into the room and looked at this stuff, or was told about this stuff in some fashion that is the first step. what could be the? harm and then there's a second more complicated step in some ways more difficult as a matter for investigators, okay so who if anyone was able to access this information who shouldn't have. and the truth is, we just don't

know the answers to those questions yet. but the government officials are trying to answer those questions. >> well and devlin barrett any tourist that donald trump or friend of donald trump happens to invite into his office, we know that's one of the places that he kept these kinds of things. or got into donald trump's office, never mind active spies who are thinking about what might we find at donald trump's home after he leaves the presidency. everyone who is anyone near any of these documents has a camera in the pocket. we just pull that out, take a picture of it, take a picture of the next page, take a picture of the next page. you can leave the document there. donald trump doesn't have to know that that copy of it is in effect leaving in your phone. >> certainly that is the kind of scenario that's where we's investigators. and the reason why they took this step of executing a search warrant, remember the first priority of this investigation

is just to get to this material back for precisely the kind of scenario that you described. but the truth is we don't know yet if something like that happens. and so the governments for subjective in all of this was to get this stuff back so that couldn't happen anymore or if it happens at all. >> devlin barrett thank you very much for joining us and what i know is a busy night with the breaking news reporting, and bradley mott, thank you very much for your expertise. >> anytime. >> thank you. >> coming up, president biden spent labor day talking to union members and wisconsin and pennsylvania, and making fun of the boston access of our next guest, labor secretary mighty walls. that is next. all smart beds are on sale. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. ends monday. ♪♪ energy demands are rising. and the effects are being felt everywhere. that's why at chevron, we're increasing production in the permian basin by 15%.

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lay out in detail how we are gonna implement each of these laws that worked so hard to get past. and we've gotten past. and because passing these is doorbells is only the first step, in delivering through american people -- >> that's president biden today convening the fifth cabinet meeting of his presidency on labor day, yesterday, president biden spoke to union workers in the battleground states of wisconsin and pennsylvania in milwaukee. president biden said this about our next guest, labor secretary mighty walls. >> how about actually having a union guy's a secretary labor? [applause] >> i'll tell you what, if you're gonna be in a foxhole, you want more of them in there with you. and i may have trouble understanding when you start talking about columbine's and garages, and utah kind of funny, but he knows that he's talking about. i promised to be the most pro-union president in history, and they are making me keep that prague this.

>> joining me now is the former president of the labor regime and local -- to 23 and former mayor of boston, president biden's labor secretary mighty walsh, thank you very much for joining us tonight mister secretary. i don't know what he's talking about when he says you talk funny. i don't know what he's talking about. so you're going out there now with a story to tell which includes a 3. 7% unemployment rates. and i have to look about that a couple times today. because that number, that has been by economists, considered full employment because there is always some turn, people voluntarily leaving a job to go to another job, that leaves them reported as unemployed for a month or so. that is as low as it can get. what is your message about how to keep that employment rate where it is? >> well there is more people working right now in america than any other period in the

history of our country. so that is a good sign for our economy. what we have to do now is really there's about 5 million people that still are not in work for different reasons that they are out. we need to make sure that we create a good strong job training programs, good strong apprenticeship programs, there's lots of work coming with the president feels that he has passed with remaining in manufacturing and -- whole lots of other industries. so we can make sure that we have really strong programs. because we want to create opportunities and pathways for the middle class people. >> if you are in your old job as mayor of boston, what would you be telling the people of boston tonight about what the biden administration has delivered for the people of that city? >> well first i would be touting the fact that we have money for transportation, like we haven't had in any period of

history of the city of boston. i would be talking about the investments that we are gonna be making clean energy, and green jobs, green new jobs, the opportunity for us to bring some manufacturing back to the city of boston through the chips bill. and the opportunity in the inflation reduction act to our seniors in the city of boston. reducing the cost for prescription judge drugs. it's also just helping their. there's also so many different things that the president has done. they investment plan, the in investment for our schools, and in our communities, a lot of investment that will come to the city of boston as well. as well as other parts of this country. >> if you were walking through your old neighborhood, if you just had to pick one of those, what would it be? would it be possible lower drug prices for medicare recent, or what the one thing where you said we got to this. >> well i don't know there is one thing. the president when you put

these bills together, and you got them through congress, it's really was about the future of this country and the future of cities like boston. and making those investments that we are taking care of our seniors, we're taking care of our kids, we are creating opportunities for jobs, and unemployment, and also bringing down the deficit. so you really can't pick one because there's so many different constituencies and concerns out there. but it's certainly, it's an amazing feat where this president has done, with this administration has done. and it's going to continue to move forward. >> so i know that you know that no matter how great a job you might do in this job, the best you can do is to be the second best labor secretary in history because franklin roosevelt secretary of labor, the first woman member of the cabinet, francis perkins, who served every year of fdr's time as president, as labor secretary, and delivered the new deal, so much of the thinking and it was her conception about how social security works. so much of it came from her to fdr, and then to the congress. i've discovered only today that

you and francis perkins shared the same birthday. april 10th so there might be something lucky and that that lets you rock it up close to perkins status in this job. >> and the same city of birth, lots of massachusetts. he's born in boston so that is great. francis perkins legacy is absolutely amazing and anybody watching tonight, you should google him and get the book written about her, what she was able to accomplish and a very challenging different time, as the first woman cabinet secretary going up against a man, going up against republicans, hostile republicans, in some cases hostile democrats. and really went through many of those programs in our country that protected workers, and this president of honestly, president biden, first two years, and i'm not talking about me, now president biden's first two years, has passed

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all of north korea said mason clark, who leads the russia team at the institute for the study of war. joining me now is david -- he's a foreign affairs columnist for usa today. he's the host of the deep state radio prod cast. david, it does appear that there's been a lot to suggest, i remember the beginning of the sanctions regime, but you're gonna have to wait to really see it, you can have to wait months, maybe six months. we have crossed the six month mark, what are we seeing now? >> well, we are seeing that russia is really strapped. they are trying to send a message to the world, we are fine, we're selling our oil. in fact, they're not able to buy chips, they're not able to make weapons, they are not able to buy weapons on the open market. so, that leaves them with turning to pariah states, like

iran and north korea. and you know, it's kind of hard to go around the world and some pure chest and say your superpower, when you are forced to go begging to pyongyang, in order to get artillery shells, and that's exactly the position that putin finds himself in. i'd say, there's one other interesting thing about this, and that is that he's not getting weapons from china. the u.s. has been encouraged by this, i think putin thought the chinese would help, and they're not helping right now. so he's in pretty tough straits. >> what does china see here? does it see an opportunity in what is obviously russia's weakness, to get an advantage over russia, by not helping others. >> perhaps, or perhaps what china sees here is that russia is in over its head, russia is

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