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growing number of americans have no personal memory of that day. either because they were too young or not yet born. that's one of the reasons why we still make september 11th an annual day of reflection and remembrance. so that we lived by the words that were so often said in the days after that fateful morning, never forget. so tomorrow, president biden will speak a ceremony at the pentagon. vice president kamala harris and the central gentlemen we're attend a commemoration ceremony at the memorial in manhattan. and first lady doctor joe biden will deliver remarks at the flight 93 national rim oriole observance in shanksville, pennsylvania. even for those who didn't live through it and those who aren't old enough to remember it, september 11th will forever be a part of our national
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identity. it is part of who we are, and it's why we will never forget. i am katie fang, in for ayman mohyeldin. coming up in our second hour of a man, the accession of a new king, what is in store for us chose the third takes the throne and a nation mourns their beloved queen. plus, a surgeon young female voters. the president of planned parenthood action fund joins me to discuss the potentially long lasting effects of overturning roe v. wade on an american electorate. and stunning allegations. a former united states attorney claims the trump justice department pressured him to play politics. let's get started. let's begin our second hour together. back across the pond as we learn the details on where and
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when clean elizabeth's funeral will be taking place. buckingham palace announced her funeral will be held at once statements to abby monday, september 19th. for four days before the funeral, the queen will lie in state at westminster hall for the public to visit and pay its respects. queen elizabeth coffin is currently resting in balmoral castle where she died on thursday. tomorrow, on sunday, her remains will travel to edinburgh, where they will rest in the throne room. there, members of the royal family will gather for a service at saint giles cathedral to receive the coffin. and as the world mourns one monarch, they are also welcoming another. tomorrow, king charles the third is said to be proclaimed the king of scotland, wales, and northern ireland. he'll then travel to edinburgh where he will take part of the ceremony of the keys and, here is a message of condolence for the last scottish government. he's then scheduled to travel
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to belfast tuesday before returning to london the same day just as the queen's body arrives at buckingham palace. let's bring in hillary for courage, british expert and commentator. hillary, thank you so much for joining us this evening. if there was one thing you could identify as the queen's most lasting legacy, what would that be? >> i'm delighted to be with you. although ghastly circumstances. might i take a moment before answering the question to address 9/11. for those of us here in america, we remember lots of things on the side, but may i make mention of what the queen did? she had the guards play the national anthem for america and she had played outside buckingham palace the first time ever in history and she had that done every single september 11th since. for 21 years. she's been doing that. that's really special, i think, as an acknowledgment. and she shed tears on that day.
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we >> that's incredible. thank you for sharing that with our viewers. i didn't know that. that's really striking and i'm grateful that you share that. it's maybe like that's her last legacy and my pinion. but what in your opinion as a brett stands out as something that was truly the gift, the legacy that she left after her 70-year reign? >> oh gosh, there's so many things to talk about. i would say the paul bears who are going to carry her coffin out of balmoral as she leaves for the last time ever. that's one of the legacies she's going to leave. those gatekeepers all knew her. it's going to be emotional for all of them. she touched all of her people. that's one thing. so many people met her throughout the years. she believed that, to be believed, one has to be seen. you're looking at her right now. on the walk about. the walk about started outside buckingham palace after
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princess diana passed, and you're seeing right now her addressing the nation as a grandmother. she spoke from her heart, and what she also did that was so poignant, she went down with her people outside of buckingham palace. she stood with her people, and she bowed as princess diana's casket passed in front of her. her legacy is of not just living, not just giving, but also being there with her people. and i think so importantly, a legacy of duty, and dignity, that all of us must do what we are supposed to do. we all have different roles to play in life. and she never stopped. but you're showing now her in one of her happier moments when she was at a sporting event. she loved horses. and she rode ponies as a little girl. and she was an avid horse woman. and actually her major jockey, i'll frankie, who she raised 50 of her horses to -- a great races, and to many victories. he has been reported as saying that she knew everything that was going on, and wanted to
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know all of the gossip that was going on at epsom, that the other people win talked or about. so she could hurt people, she cared about people's families. when you met, or she would remember your relatives and ask about them. how could she remember every once relatives? she cared about the commonwealth as. family my last, point because there are so many, she cared so much about her commonwealth family. whether it was her dancing with the african king, the king of ghana, in 1961, she did that against the advice of many, there were riots, and there was violence in the streets and ghana. no, she danced with the african king, with joy. why? because she cared about everyone in her commonwealth. and wanted to show that. >> hillary, the queen obviously faced so many challenges during her reign, the korean war, covid-19, brexit. what do you think was the biggest crisis she faced as the
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monarch? >> i don't think any of us have faced as many crisis as she did. covid was one of, them she let the nation there too. she actually said that we will meet again. and she actually had many of us come to tears when she played the white cliffs of dover from the second world war. but don't forget, she lived through the second world war, she was the first monarch to actually be able to fix a truck. she actually served in the woman's auxiliary arms. that's important terms of the legacy, enters her duty and service, actually serving in the military forces. but in terms of the other challenges and tragedy she lived through, she lived through 9/11, and something interesting also, not one american, not one, was left stranded at either heathrow or -- english people went that night, and many people who worked at the airports, these --
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british older people were coming to the airport saying, give us your yanks, give us your yanks. they all stayed in people's homes. she, that evening, when she reached out to the united states, i think that was very important. that was another important tragedy she lived through. i could go through other ones. very important, 1961, in a welsh village, where a cutlery, a corollary, a slip, this cold man inquiry, and all that then slide went over a school and killed so many children. she was pictured coming out of someone's home, wiping tears away from her eyes. and a monarch is not meant to show emotions in that era. and the news that night published that, and that was one of the first times the nation had ever seen such emotion before. that was 1966, she wasn't done
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in 61. that was 1966. key there was a tragedy she lived through to. >> hillary fordwich, i want to thank you for putting the queen, and sharing her with us with such a lens of this personal humanity to her. i think oftentimes we forget that she had a lot of pressure, she had a lot of demands put upon her. and the public lands was almost always on her all the time. so for you to show this was very poignant, and i share appreciate this. thank you for taking the time. >> a lot of funny stories, anecdotes, and lots. more another. time >> thanks, kim hillary. up next, first kansas, now michigan. voters will get to decide the fate of abortion access in the wolverine state, coming this november. november to support underserved communities... ...helping us all move forward financially.
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ballot this november, and in michigan, i mean that quite literally. this, week the state supreme court ruled that voters will now decide whether to enshrine the right to abortion in the state's constitution. following the dobbs decision, abortion rights supporters there gathered more than 750,000 signatures for the ballot measure. this show of pasta dobbs political force is not unique to win the state of michigan. the words of tom bonnie a democratic strategist and ceo of target spark, a political data and pulling firm. he says in his nearly three decades of analyzing of elections, he has never seen anything like what's happened in these last two months in american politics. after the fall of roe, but a registration searched among women. he battleground states like pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and ohio, also a
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huge increases, and some of the biggest surges took place in traditionally conservative states like kansas and idaho. in fact, in the week following the court's decision, women made up more than 70% of nuclear registered voters in kansas. early in the summer, voters rejected a ballot measure that would've removed protect -- the states constitution. and is majority opinion in dobbs just as samuel aledo wrote, quote, women are not without electoral or political power. and as bony points out, quote, republicans might soon find out just how much political power they have. with me now to discuss is alexis mcgill johnson, she's the president of the planned parenthood action fund. tomorrow, she will join democratic pennsylvania senate candidate and current lieutenant governor, john fetterman, add a rally focused on abortion rights. alexis, is always a pleasure to spend time with you. thank you for being here this
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evening. i want to get your reaction to that piece from dom bony a. he writes, this is a moment where we should throw all political assumptions out the window. what did the dobbs decision changed everything? >> everything. i mean, as devastating as that decision is, and we have to acknowledge the impact, the real impact that it's having every day on patients across this country, peoples tried to seek access to abortion, going through great dust but lance in order to get access, they should be able to get their own state. they also, while they are despairing, they are really a center in source of hope in this moment. and i think that's incredibly important. we have seen a tremendous registration rate. we've seen incredible authors he has them as we've seen in kansas. we've seen it and michigan as well, the voters and michigan will be able to vote on their state constitution. and i'm sure i'm gonna see you
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tomorrow. i know people are fired up to see john fetterman, they know the contrast is incredibly clear between he and doctor oz. and i know come november, state after state, we are going to see the returns on what tom bonnie has seen. >> voter registration is not the only thing that is surging after roe's reversal. democrats running for state attorneys general are seeing huge objects in donations and pulling up. swings several races formally seen as launches are now seen as competitive. we are talking about the senate and the governor races, but how important are the races at every level to ensure access to reproductive health care and freedom? >> i think we are looking at every single level at attorneys general, at state supreme court, at prosecutors ndas. anyone who is going to be engaged in ensuring how and abortion law is rendered in
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realtime is going to be a critical piece in ensuring that we can maintain access in this country. and i think that's what the voters want to see. that no one stays neutral on this. whether or not you are running for school board or for attorney general, it's important that you what you are standing up for's freedom. and i think that's exactly what the voters want to see right now. the vo>> over the past few week, we've also seen republican nominees and top senate battleground states start to soften, sometimes try to be subtle, but we've seen this happen. they are backpedalling on their abortion positions. what do you make of that switch up, that they are trying to hide but the internet is forever, as they say? >> the internet is forever, and my grandma would call that talking out of both sides of your neck. you can't clear your website after you've been saying it, over, and over. again and i think the case for it is doctor oz.
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he's been on record, on a hot mic, talking about essentially how pro-life he is. and that is what i think people are concerned about. that's why the medical community is organizing against. tim it's why people are looking to do leaders and champions like john fetterman to jump in and help us save democracy. save the critical health care that people need. and i think it's important that people see the record, they understand that, just because you change your website doesn't necessarily mean that you are changing what is in your heart. we all have to be concerned about what people are going to do. i remind, you we just saw this in south carolina, the state senator who had no idea what he had voted for when initially, when the south carolina ban came down. and went on record saying he didn't realize it was going to harm and cost kind of confusion that medical providers are experiencing right now every
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day in hospitals, hospital administrations, not sure whether or not they can provide care to a medical standard or a legal standard. and that is getting home for people. that same legislator went on to vote for some of these most restrictive south carolina -- voters are watching all of these machinations. they are paying attention. you can just come out and say, this is what i stand for today, and in the dark of night, do something different. and i think that's what's really important for us, at the action, fund to make sure that everyone is on. we are getting everyone on the record and we are educating people about where their lawmakers stand. >> alexis, before i have to let you go, i want to get your reaction to something congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez told gq in a new interview that's out this week. she said, quote, for almost every woman that has gotten an abortion, there's a man who has either been affected or liberated by that abortion too. in this moment, it's really only going to be the vulnerability of men, and men
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talking to other men, that gives us the greatest hope of shifting things to the fastest, soonest. >> we are talking about women registering to vote in record numbers. but what role can, and, should men be playing in this fight? >> mentioned absolutely be engaged and enraged about what is happening right now to women and to this right. of course, they are implicated by all these decisions. of course, they will be affected. and i think it's important that they are showing up, the man that i talk, to the men that i have talked to are fired up. and in terms of registrations, i haven't seen those numbers per se, but i know their enthusiasm for showing up and support of women, and of this decision because they understand the implications for them, for their, lives for their, sons for their daughters. for their workforces. they are engaged in many different ways, we may not see the same kind of level of
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organizing, but i definitely feel like there are level of engagement is as critical as and again is going to be a really important determining factor in this election. >> alexis mcgill johnson, as, always i appreciate your insight, and for taking the time to spend with us. thank you. coming up, how the monarchy will change under king charles the third. but first, richard louis is here with the headlines. here richard. >> hey katie, good evening to you. buckingham palace revealing today funeral arrangements for a queen elizabeth ii. on sunday, her body will depart the balmoral state in scotland for edinburgh. she will stay in stage until tuesday until she was flown to london. then on wednesday, the late queen will be transported from buckingham palace to westminster hobble she will lay and state for four days until her state funeral of westminster abby on monday, september 19th. also today, the kremlin pulling
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political issues, particularly climate change, right injustice earlier, quote, we are on the brink and we need the mobilizing urgency of a warlike footing if we are to win. in 2008, he addressed the european parliament calling for the, quote, biggest public, private, and ngo private public -- ever seen. and at the foreign meeting in davos, charles launched the sustainable markets initiative, an effort to push businesses towards greener, more sustainable practices. but will this trend of outspokenness continue on the throne? let's bring on washington post opinion editor, and a half post senior reporter. ladies, thank you for staying with us. autumn, i would like to stay with you. there's one -- 75% of the public, while charles only comes in at 42%. in your opinion, what do you think is the reason for this divide?
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>> charles has a lot of baggage from the past few decades. his first wife was for so many years much more popular than he was. and after his affair with camilla was revealed, he and she were pretty unpopular for a long time. so there's just -- his numbers are where they are now, that's an improvement from where he was years ago. >> carly, what do you think king charles iii would need to improve his approval rating a punk the public, or frankly, is it not critical in terms of the country's ability to progress forward? >> it's not critical at all, and right now, he is giving a wave of sympathy from people as his mother just died. but as we are going to see. king charles is advocating for a slim down monarchy, and there's talk of modernizing the monarchy. but modern and monarchy don't really belong in the same sentence. and later this, year we have
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prince harry's memoirs coming out, and next year we have the next season of the crown, which historically has contributed to his modern-day unpopularity. so much so that clarence house had to turn off comments on he and camilla's instagram accounts. we will see how his popularity wanes in the coming months. >> autumn, it's always impossible to predict, but how different do you think charles's rain would be compared to his mothers? again, maybe not a fair comparison to put out there especially this early on, but i would like to get your take on that. >> i think there's a lot we can watch for. as was just said, the idea of a slim down monarchy, it's unclear what family members charles might sort of say if they were going to be -- public engagements anymore, they're not supported by sovereign grant. but the idea is, as you, said
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it's not apples to oranges to pairs. >> carly, what has been your experience so far with the public in terms of its anticipation of trials to the monarchy? >> as we saw yesterday asking charles and camilla arrived back at buckingham palace, they were greeted extremely warmly, we saw people kissing charles on the cheek in the hands. people have a lot of sympathy right now seeing him like i said, as someone who did lose his mom. so many people loved the queen. he is getting that wave of sympathy now. but i think what we need to look for is in the weeks and months after queen elizabeth's funeral, how public opinion may change. >> autumn last question and carly, i like to give the same to you, charles has been waiting for decades to be king,
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there are memes that he finally has a, quote, job at 73. just kidding. but what do you think his first order is going to be? >> i think technically he's already given his first order. his first orders were sort of taking the proclamations and swearing to uphold the church of scotland. we saw earlier today. one way in which charles is really different from his mother i think is that we see him be more emotional in public. as we saw when he was warm whaley greeted outside of buckingham palace, i think that was a real boost to him, to feel that warmth from the crowd. and he's let his temper show in public,, more than the late queen never did. so that will be something to see, whether he allows himself to have personal or emotional reactions to things whereas i think the late queen could've held more in. >> carly, to autumn's point, is this going to be perhaps a
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kinder, more public, more emotional monarch that we are going to be seeing with king charles the third? >> i read something yesterday that said that it actually king charles looks more like the president yesterday, greeting people who were so excited to see him. and i think to autumn's point, the queen was so stoic. even after the death of prince philip, she remained so strong for the country and i think that king charles has a theatrical background. he shown emotion in the past few days, so i think that it'll be interesting to see that in times to come. and -- in the past he said it's not really a political issue to talk about climate change. it'll be interesting to see what he says on that going forward. >> that's refreshing to hear, in my pinion, bad he doesn't think it's a political issue to be concerned about climate change. carly ledbetter, autumn, we
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you new york during the trump administration until he was abruptly fired in june of 2020. after he refused to resign and be replaced by a more favorable trump ally. now, bremen's back with a new book detailing how trump's -- supporters political allies and hound his critics, even pushing the office to open a criminal investigation into former secretary of state, john kerry. that's one of the newest headlines in the literary canon of reports on trump's political and legal woes of late. there is a matter of top secret documents, being recovered from mar-a-lago, and trump loyalist, steve bannon, being arrested on charges of money laundering and conspiracy. not to mention, the news this week that a federal grand jury is examining finances of a super pac created by donald trump after his loss in the 2020 election. joining me now to discuss is alina beverley, former national deputy of african american outreach for the first obama
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presidential campaign and the host of the aisle mares podcast. and coming back to hang out with us, david henderson, a civil rights attorney and former prosecutor. both of you, power panel, let's do this! alina, i would like to start with you. what about these allegations in jeffrey berman's book? he saying will overturned the sd why into a political weapon. shouldn't he have spoken up sooner than now? >> that's right, katie. but i think what we are going to see details in this book is the way in which, as you said, donald trump tried to use the attorney's office as his own political legal henchman, his own legal hit squat, if you will. but it's that berman walked a fine line in making sure that he was not this honoring the role of prosecutor. however, i'm hoping there will be some details that will also
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be useful not just for law [inaudible] election officials. because what i think we're gonna start seeing is the type of pressure that trump applied to him while he was in office to use against [inaudible] i think we're gonna see that same kind of pressure law coming up from the midterms, election administrators, coming up in the midterms in 2024. so i'm hoping that it will be somewhat instructive to come seeking to uphold the law and having to uphold institutions are probably going to receive pressure from extremists on the right. >> can we've seen plenty of books calling out trump for one thing, but this one feels different, i think, coming from the former united states attorney from the southern district of new york. in your opinion, could berman's claims lead to an investigation or even charges? >> there's so many
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investigations going on right now involving president trump and surrounding circle, it's hard to imagine there being yet another. but within that context, what would i do think will happen here is somehow berman talks about in the book will emphasize the tone of these ongoing investigations. here's the reason why, you have this conflict where, on the one hand, can -- even, though the people who are in the trenches of these agencies, they stayed there from one administration to the next, the upper echelon does change. but prosecutors are bound to make sure that justice is served. so part of what the new york times reported that the white house counsel, named mr., craig under the obama administration, and berman was asked to investigate him for violations of the foreign violation of the four -- with work that he did with the government of ukraine. berman said, i think those guys innocent, and he still receive pressure from the trump white house to move forward with the
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prosecution when berman said, no, they basically fired him and got a prosecutor to take on the case. prosecute mr., craig and he was acquitted. that kind of behavior is egregious to say the least, so i think it sheds light on what we are going to see with how these investigations move forward. we are g>> elaine, a trump, obvy to david's point as well, trump has so many legal issues currently, but not to mention like his allies that are also finding themselves in hot legal water. but could any of these cases deterred donald trump for running for president in 2024? or do you think it's gonna become renounce more quickly? >> i think it's gonna make him were not more quickly. because the department of justice has an unspoken rule of not taking on and prosecuting someone within i think 60 days of election, and we are rapidly approaching that. so i think it's going to try to
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renounce quickly in order to [inaudible] from prosecution, from indictment. there's a whole series of issues that we could explore about ways in which he could potentially try to rig the election until he runs for office again. but all of this means that it's quite likely that donald trump is going to try to announce [inaudible] very soon. >> david, we announced in this segment about the federal grand jury that is looking into trump super pac, where could examining trump's fundraising, after he lost the 2020 election, lead investigators? >> katie, i think that takes you back to your original question. to me. what's going on in these different investigations and what we are likely to see more. at the end of the, day this is what it comes down to. you can't go out and as people to contribute money for political purposes and do something different but the money than what you promised you are going to do.
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there are going to be a lot of questions as about the trump administration, ongoing political activities, in regard to where all the money is going. especially because it looks like a lot of us are gonna pay the gulf. he's i don't know how much he's gonna spend each month on his attorneys, but once that money starts to dry up, the circumstances are going to change from very quickly i worry about this prosecution we but -- what it has the potential to do is make people say we -- you are bad for business on your net worth. it once we -- the issues we've been discussing about him so far. >> i don't know about you guys, but donald trump coming out of legal funds, the smallest violently for him.
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guys, stick around. we will have you back when you come back. and something elena just touched upon, did local republican officials help trump was lawyers breach voting systems in the 2020 election? sounds rigged. when we're back in a moment. ack in a moment. t some more? wait till you see me on the downhill. see you at home. enjoy it. with the advanced safety features of a lexus es. (driver) conventional thinking would say verizon has the largest and fastest 5g network. enjoy it. but, they don't. they only cover select cities with 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered. welcome to allstate, where you can bundle and save. isn't that right phil? what in the world are you doing? i'm in the metaverse, bundling my home and auto insurance. save up to 25% when you bundle home and auto with allstate. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein.
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since the 2020 election and new details surrounding donald trump's scheme to hold on to power are still coming to light. nbc news has now obtained video that shows then chairwoman of georgia's coffee county gop kathy latham, escorting members of the tech firms sullivan's into an election office on january 7th, 2021. now, why is that state significant? it's the same day a data breach of the counties that election software was reported. the breach is currently being looked into by the fulton district attorney's office as
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part of his criminal probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. last month, the washington post reported that trump attorney, sydney powell, send sullivan's trickler to georgia to copy a wide range of data from coffee county's voting systems for a reported fee of $26,000. the surveillance video also exposed additional trips to the election office by these two men you are seeing here. doug logan, and jeffrey lindbergh. logan, the chief executive of cyber ninjas who you might remember from that sham election recount in arizona. and lindbergh, a consultant currently under investigation for separate alleged breaches of voting machines, but that's in michigan. the federal government classifies voting systems as critical infrastructure. important to national security. access to their software is supposed to be tightly regulated. experts warn information from machines like those and coffee county can aid hackers who may
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try to alter the results of a future election. by saturday night panel, they are back with me to discuss this. l.a., now you talked about it briefly in the last segments, so let's talk about the fact that the data from this team, this trump but tech team was able to obtain, they made copies of virtually every component of the counties voting system. what is your reaction to the fact of that kind of access the firm had was so -- such highly sensitive information? >> the my reaction is that we are rapidly losing our hold on a sense of free and fair democracy and free fair elections. i'm a former voting rights attorney, i used to work closely with county clerks were responsible for carrying out the [inaudible] election officials and election administration officials. the the [inaudible] voting machines is guarded.
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the machines are supposed to stay basically in the locked box. no one is supposed to be able to access them. the fact that these operatives were able to access that data, replicate the data, and then also distribute the data is so abhorrent, it's really challenges the fundamental access that we have to ensuring that our elections that the votes count and the elections are free and fair. look the larger problem that i have here is that we have [inaudible] backdrop against election deniers winning the primaries, and individuals who would seek to, not just win an election but to steal the election are starting to take hold at the local level and operating our election administration. so we have those who are currently in power that basically [inaudible] law their livelihood to their families and they are being replaced by extremists who
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again, would steal the election rather than win the election. that is the largest concern that i have here. the operatives targeted with [inaudible] high minority turnout. it's a real [inaudible] going forward into the midterms and elections in 2024. >> david, as i mentioned, election experts are warning that access to this kind of information [inaudible] could put future elections at risk. as we are approaching these november midterms should voters in georgia be concerned about the security of the elections in their state? >> katie, i think they have good reason to be, because as we discussed, it took a lot more off the machines than just data. how did just been data, it would've been partially concerning, but the fact that they took apart so many other mechanisms that control how they work, and it's not just what they did, it's the circumstances under which they did it. let's compare that to what's going on in mar-a-lago. just a counter point how these
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investigations should proceed, trump is arguing with regard to mar-a-lago, look, you took a bunch of boxes, some of my stuff was in those boxes, so it's only fair to have a neutral parties sort through the boxes to see if some of that should come back to me. and a nutshell, that's what a special master is supposed to do. so you let people have access to these machines, and the access they were provided was given by person who was one of the fake electors. who also believed that the election was stolen. it would've been different if you said, okay, let's give you access to them to look at the machines. we're also gonna have a third party there who is neutral or who will let the other side have someone there to make sure that what is going on is legit. but that didn't happen here at all. so it really starts to pose a bigger problem for the rest of us, at what point are we going to take greater steps to protect the integrity of our electoral process because these issues will continue to be problems, especially as 2024 approaches. >> we talked about the fulton county da's investigation into
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the attempts of overturning the 2020 election results. i want to ask you about the other news that is coming out of georgia. a judge has ruled that georgia governor brian kemp must testify in that criminal probe that is being brought them by fani willis. the -- the thing is, kemp doesn't have to testify until after the november midterm elections. i want to ask you what you thought of that ruling, especially considering, in my opinion, i think kemp is just a fact witness. so why the special treatment? >> there is a line from mccormack mccarthy novel, you have a character who gets -- gems them up says, hey, if the rule that you followed brought you to this, of what you use was the rule? i think we have to start asking ourselves that question with regards to election integrity. you have these rules that say, hey, the people who are running alone until after elections. and at some point, billows over writing common sense that -- not even on the ballot.
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in addition to that, the fact about him being -- he and his lawyers knew was ridiculous. sovereign immunity applies to civil lawsuits which is what they argued. not criminal proceedings. and to be frank, he should be anxious to testify in front of the grand jury to defend the integrity of the process in georgia and say, i have nothing to hide, i want the public and voters to know that because part of my job as governor is to give people hope with regard to the elections coming up. >> it is a mess in georgia. that lead up beverley, and david henderson, i think you. my power panel for staying with me during these last blocks. thank you so much. and i also thank you, the viewers, for making time for us tonight. join us for special coverage tomorrow, remembering queen elizabeth, live from london, england. it begins bright and early at 6 pm eastern, i am katie fang, grateful for your time. i was in for law ayman, i hope
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