decision was announced, prominent attorneys knew that this was purely bs. >> there are so many outrageous and stupid, frankly, pieces of this decision. it is remarkable because you never thought that there be something worse than our last decision. >> we used to say in these was the generals office that some appeals right themselves. this is one and it is a terrible, terrible abuse of our legal system. >> she is so far out ahead of where the evidence is in this case that it is simply and unmerited, interference in the criminal justice system. it does not serve americans, it does not serve the rule of law. >> it does not to the rule of law. the newly appointed special master, he is now going to sort through nearly 11,000 documents to see if any should be shielded from investigators. in his first act, he is ordering the trump team to appear alongside doj lawyers. this is all happening at brooklyn courthouse on tuesday.

but, listen, the classified has even more to worry about because the county six committee, they will have at least one more hearing planned before they submit their full report. according to committee chairman bennie thompson, they are debating inviting some pretty big names like former vice president mike pence and maybe even trump himself. we are going to dig into all of this. joining me now is elie, he is the justice correspondent for the nation. he is also the author of the best-selling new york times book, allow me to retort, a black eyes guide to the constitution. we have to give you all your flowers, elie. when all of this is going down the paschal of weeks, you were the only person that i wanted to talk to about this and get your take. i'm a little confused by the multiple lenses here. an appeal, the doj is no longer appealing fighting a special master and they are only asking for a small state for part of the order. what do you think the doj's play is here? what is the reasoning behind that? >> they're realizing that the 11th circuit is also infected

with trump. this district judge was making these horrible, biases, he was appointed by trump and confirmed nine days after he lost the election. the 11th circuit six judges out of 11 are -- i got confused, six judges on the 11th circuit are trump judges. that is a huge problem. a third of the supreme court was appointed by donald trump. every one of the 234 or so judges that trump appointed is suspect. we have to start understanding that these are too much -- 234 land mines that trump left behind in order to potentially blow up our democracy down the road. these people served for life. i have said on this program and many programs that one of the key reasons that trump is not already in jail is that he keeps finding people who are willing to lie, cheat, and the

base themselves for him. eileen cannon is just the latest person who is going to debase herself, her profession, and her office in service of donald trump. he found another one. he might find some more on the 11th circuit. he might find some more on the supreme court. the doj is trying to navigate that reality and all i'm trying to say is to get people to understand that reality. that is not new. people who now say the 11th circuit may be more reasonable, again, you can count on that. you have to track every single trump appointee as a suspect until proven otherwise. >> the courts have always been such a big deal for the republican party. during trump's tenure he appointed over 200 judges. a majority white male judges, some had never been judges before and really had very flimsy resumes to take up these positions. it is not just the courts that are threatened here, elie. this is something that is very

concerning to me because trump and i will caution our viewers, i do not enjoy playing trump, i do enjoy giving him attention, that is exactly what he wants. this threat to the country, i do think it is important to play and talk about. he is threatening the country, elie. take a listen to what he said just this week and then we will talk about it on the other side. >> i think if it happened, i think you have problems in this country the likes of which perhaps we've never seen before. i don't think the people of the united states would stand for it. >> what kind of problems, mister president? >> i think they have big problems, big problems. i just don't think they stand for. it they will not, they will not sit still and stand for this ultimate opposes. >> this sounds a lot like stand back and stand by. he's not acting like he is under investigation. he has a rally planned in ohio tonight. this kind of thing is quite scary, elie. i want to be petty again and say, we tried to tell you. now here we are facing this man

who keeps trying to rally the troops and give a wink and a nod to the tiki torch marchers to essentially create havoc, not just in the court system but also in the streets. your take? >> t let's start here, let's start with the problem of the fourth state, the american media. listen to that clip again. hugh hewitt made himself sound like billy bush in that clip. what kind of problems, mister president? he is threatening to unleash domestic terrorism on the country if he is held accountable for crime and you, immediate person, is sitting there saying, what kind of problems might we have? what is that? at some point, the fourth estate is going to have to realize that it is complicit in allowing these white domestic terrorists to organize and attain some level of legitimacy

as they threaten our democracy. i want to table that because that is a huge part of the problem. the cause of the problem of course is trump himself and his mega acolytes themselves, and the people who are willing to do the violence in trump's name. again, i want to say that i'm not surprised that he is threatening this because a, he is literally doing it before. and the, this is literally what conservative white folks do when they don't get their way. they turned violent. as a black man in this country, as a person who is aware of the black history in the new world's. white people turned violent when they don't politically get their way. all the time in this country. it is what they do. from the perspective of a black person, i'm kind of like, welcome to a world that i've been living in, america. now what we have is white domestic terrorists threatening to turn violence against a non-black people, against everyone else if the white supremacists ideally-ology

doesn't win the day and their white supremacists are held accountable for crime. that is normal. >> you are not opening. that statement is rooted in history, in fact. if you are even a modest student of history, you have seen this scenario play out several times. it is why we punctuated the point. i want to echo your point about the media sanitizing these folks because the people who then him on january six, you just as bad on january 5th. to give eight him a platform after aligning with this foolishness is discussed d.c. as a member of the press. i want to shift yours because you wrote one full piece in the nation. you are so insightful and thoughtful in your writing. as much as you all enjoy elegantly shun, his writing is quite taking and insightful. you wrote about these governors shipping migrants to different countries. we saw just this morning that a group of migrants which opt off in front of vice president kamala harris's residence.

we have seen migrants get dropped off in martha's vineyard, on martha's vineyard i should say. we have seen republican florida man ron desantis do this. we have seen in texas republican greg abbott to this. this sounds like it could be breaking the law. it is human trafficking? is this kidnapping? is this legal? ? >> i want to say, there is nothing wrong with us as a nation trying to come up with the best place to handle influxes of immigrants and new americans. that is good, we should have a national immigration plan. you know who stops us from doing that? republicans, republicans are the ones who forces to do this in a state by state away. now, particular republicans, particularly fascist republicans are trying to ship migrants around the country to make them suffer and try to expose for a mega walk and to troll the left. what i believe is happening here is kidnapping. it is not quite human

trafficking, just because the way our laws are written, they're very specific in terms of human trafficking for the purpose of sex or labor. trafficking for the purposes of having a laugh at liberals is not a human being trafficking violation. however, kidnapping is a thing. kidnapping by trick is a thing. telling people that you are going to take them one place and sending them somewhere else is a form of kidnapping. i can prove that to you if i do the matthew mcconaughey thing, now imagine they were white. imagine ron desantis goes up to a group of white teenagers, offers them some candy and says hey, i'm going to take you to disney world if you get my van. and then ron desantis drives to bush gardens. that is kidnapping. you are not allowed to do that. so the people who did that, the organizers to do that, they should be charged with kidnapping. the other horrible part of the story is that we are hearing now from the immigration attorneys who descended upon martha's vineyard, and by the way mega fascists, by doing

political stuff at shouting distance, it maybe not your desk best tackle choice. but anyway, some of the immigration lawyers on martha's vineyard have said that these people were processed by dhs and told dhs didn't have precedence. they made up fake addresses for them so that they would be too far away from those addresses to go to future hearings. that is an allegation, i don't know if that is true, that is what immigration attorneys are saying. if that is true, the dhs, if they are involved, need to be investigating and prosecuted for abuse of power. is it much bigger scandal and we need accountability. much big>> i want to say, i do t believe and the bc has independently confirmed that allegation, elie. if that is true, it does -- they do deserve to have some accountability there. and just the humanity, the van diagram, the overlay of the people who report themselves to be pro-life, really antichoice,

these are some lies that could use import. these are women and children and families that can use your support. maybe stay out of my uterus and focus on that. thank you so much elie, you are always wonderful on the show. i appreciate you, please continue to not make plans for saturday. we always knew on the show this morning. thank you my friend, i appreciate you. coming up, after touting that abortion should be decided at the state level, well senator lindsey graham is now posing a nationwide ban. it was just a matter of time. denying millions of women the right to protect health, we are going to talk about that on the other side of the break. we have a jam packed cross connection so stay with us. cross connection so stay with us connection so stay with us like #11 subway club. piled with turkey, ham and roast beef. this sub isn't slowing down time any time soon. i'll give it a run for its money. my money's on the sub. it's subway's biggest refresh yet.

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be a poll worker. the threat of political violence takes more people out of public life, which puts you on a very fast track to the end of democracy and a very practical level. fifth democracy and a ver practical level. fift all right, just weeks before the midterms, you guys remember senator lindsey graham has introduced legislation for a federal ban on most abortions and 15 weeks of pregnancy. now, while some republicans claim that graham has gone rogue, it is really critical to understand the real world consequences of a nationwide band. a texas woman who was 19 weeks

pregnant had to travel ten hours to new mexico for an abortion after doctors discovered that her fetus had a rare genetic disorder and would not survive life beyond the womb. now graham's proposal becomes law, women like her would not only have to cross state lines they could have to leave the country. i want to talk about this very seriously. joining me now is michelle [interpreter] she is the director of shiro mississippi. you've seen on the show before. thank you michelle. and amy hatchery miller, she is ceo of whole women's health. thank you both for being here. amy, i want to start with. you because this is such an important conversation because no matter what the gop says, this was just an argument about state rights. to go to the states now, they are saying no no no we are introducing a federal ban. so even if they are saying no no lindsey graham has gone rogue, this is what they wanted. and i want you to explain to our viewers how a federal abortion ban impact states that still protect a woman's right to choose.

because wouldn't blue states finally have less restrictive laws over written by federal law? >> yes, absolutely tiffany. they would. and good morning to both of you. they lied. they are not telling the truth. they don't have women and families at the core of their values. they don't care about telling the truth. and this would be harmful to people all over the country. whether you live in a blue state or red state, this would be a federal abortion ban that would go to the root of the values of this country and to the root of our human rights. the vast majority of people in this country don't support this kind of ban. and people are up in arms already about the restrictions we have seen happen since roe fell at the end of june. we have lost access to safe abortion in at least 13, i think maybe 14 states. already in these last ten weeks, a federal abortion ban would be incredibly harmful to the health and well-being of everybody. not just. women of families. of communities, a public health outcomes. a maternal mortality.

this is incredibly harmful and they did not tell the truth when they pretended that they were putting this back to the states. look at kansas. >> right, and just this week, west virginia governor jim justice saw yesterday signed a bill that bans nearly all abortions in the state. indiana, that ban passed by state legislature went into effect on thursday. michelle, women of color, black women in particular will be disproportionately impacted by this. the interesting thing about the people who report to care about life, black women are nearly four times more likely to die than white women when it comes to maternal health. tell me what a federal abortion ban would do to the folks in your state and what you are dealing with? >> well right now what we are dealing with, i can tell you this week shiro has cysts to getting the five individuals out of the state across country

to get safe legal abortion care. what the national abortion ban is, this proposed national portion ban will do is it will cripple this country even more. so in regards to abortion rights, and any ban on abortion rights acts as is extreme. and they all need to be repealed because they are oppressive massaging the stick and. deadly what we need to do as a country, a lot of us are really starting to feel and experience what the goal of overturning roe was. activists in organizers on the ground are a emotionally and physically spent at this point. it is costing an average of $1,000 to get people out of the 12 existing antiabortion states, getting them across the country. . so we cannot afford to allow any anti abortion law makers to gain any more control in the congress. not even one more antiabortion

lawmaker needs to be elected. otherwise they will have the power to enforce a nationwide abortion ban. because to, them overturning roe was not enough. >> right. and just to point out for our viewers, georgia republican herschel walker and arizona's blake pastors, both candidates for senate are both supporting a federal abortion ban. so this is something scary. the heartbeat protection act was introduced in congress in 2021. this is something else that denies women reproductive health care. so it is very scary. amy, how do you fight? that's because you discern michelle saying, we are exhausted. it is not only costing financially, but it is costing mentally and spiritually. dealing with this fight. what are you doing on the frontlines? >> absolutely. michelle is right. our teams in the women's health clinics are exhausted. we have already had to cease abortion care services in five of our clinics just since the

end of june. we lost texas right away. we just lost indiana yesterday. we can no longer provided washing care services. and even though we are doing similar things to so many of our allies, our abortion fund friends, our allies, our activist friends to try to mitigate this ban, we have a way finder program. we urge helping people to travel to the places where abortion is still recognized as essential medical care and get the abortion care they need. and like michelle, said it is costing so much money and so many of the people who need abortion care are already parenting. they are working families, and they can just pick up and drive a couple of days over state lines. keep in mind, the abortion is much safer than the drive. at any point in pregnancy, abortion is always safer than delivery. and we have to question the sort of play blanket statements are opposition is making here. they don't have public health in mind. they are not supporting their statements with facts.

and with the railways that people live their lives in our communities. and we are doing all we can to mitigate this damage. we are trying to help people travel, but it is going to take everyone in this country to restore the access to the fundamental human rights that includes access to safe legal abortion in our communities. >> i think that is such a great point you make. a womanist 14 times more likely to die in childbirth then during an abortion. this is nothing to do with abortion. the modern-day -- of the world are trying to align with white middle patriarchy because they want that power as well. so this is why we don't believe this whole mantra of what they call pro-life. unfortunately, we are out of time. but i imagine you two ladies will be back many times because, sadly this is a battle that is now ongoing. michelle cohen, stay up because i know that you are exhausted with it. but we are sending you love and energy. and same to you, amy hacksaw can miller, we appreciate the work that you're getting up here this morning. and coming up next, you are looking at live pictures of mourners continuing to pay

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since i was a little girl. growing up, i didn't have any grandparents present in my life so i have always looked at the queen as a really personal person in my life. she is really playing that role before me. >> i have a lot of love and respect for the queen because she is such an amazing person. she is such a great example of dignity and grace and faithful service. she is a great person. >> as you see, president biden is among the world leaders heading to london for queen elizabeth's funeral happening on monday. outside westminster hall, the line of mourners waiting to pay their respects has stretched to nearly five miles long with

44-hour wait. listen, not everyone in the uk and the commonwealth countries have had had the same reactions to the end of the queen 70-year reign. joining me now is writer, social and political commentator lola. i hope i said your last name correctly, lola. say it again for me? thank you, madam. thank you for being here. i want you, if you can, to explain because many viewers, there is a meme going around with this young woman and they're saying that the queen died. she was saying, beyoncé, who? the other people just don't know. younger viewers and those have different political persuasion wonder why the coverage and pomp and circumstance around the queen's death. explain why you feel this is such a big deal with a ugly, complicated history? >> the united kingdom is still one of the most powerful nations on the planet and in large part that is to do with its empire, the british empire

and its role in colonialism, in slavery, and because it is had a monarchy. i completely understand for younger people who might not understand that significance. they are like, what is the big deal? who is this lady? to be honest, the queen was much more than just an old lady presiding over a country. she was an extremely powerful figure as a symbol of soft power, i suppose in recent times. and somebody that people had a lot of respect for. that is basically what i would say. >> this is some reaction about the queens death, take a listen and then we will talk about it on the other side. for us in jamaica the monarchy is a harsh reminder for an unfortunate past. >> they have gained and

profited tremendously from us in the caribbean, as african people, and from the continent. and they have never apologized nor have they offered any compensation for that. >> when slavery was finally abolished, those who were the enslavers were paid 20 million pounds, which was 40% of britain's annual budget. >> the monarch has never produced, has never done anything positive to south africa or africa. >> so i imagine, for people seeing all of this fawning coverage even across social media with people saying be respectful and she was the queen, it really denies so many descendants of enslavement our lived experience. because so many of these countries still see the fallout about. do you anticipate that some of these colonize countries, and african leaders, will attend the funeral? anybody specifically that you

think might skip it? >> there are some who will be attending. i have seen the list. i know the jamaican president, trinidad tobago, south africa. so there is a difficulty. there is one thing which is, people did respect the queen. and people did respect her power and her authority. and she was a consistent figure for 70. years that is a long time. but people also know and understand, not necessarily some people within the uk who kind of prefer to not look at these things, but certainly people in commonwealth countries, know and understand the institution of the monarchy. what it has stood for. i mean, slavery with slavery was giving royalist and when it first started. the scramble for africa's, the royal family was particularly involved in that. so you can't deny these things. people fought for independence, there were bloody wars, people have been killed.

in the caribbean, for example, like with african americans here, when your last name is johnson or robert, and you know that that is not at your african name but you don't have a connection to it because your family was taken and enslaved on an island to produce crops and sugar and tobacco and cotton to enrich british people, including the monarchy, then that can't sit well with you. so, and it doesn't sit well with me as an african person either. so i do just think that there is a complication there. and i think that more and more countries will now start to say, okay, what is the relevance of the monarchy? what does it do? how much power will charles? have do we need? it doesn't matter for the future? and i think a lot of them will come up with the answer of no. and we will seek to become a publics, as they should. >> that would be a seismic shift in the uk if we saw that. i am also just curious, we are out of time, but i'm curious

what happens after the funeral. do they have a re-passing london? after this funeral. it is very interesting. in america, among a lot of black families particular. so it we will keep our eye on it and we will definitely bring all of the coverage from the funeral on monday right here on msnbc. so thank you so much, lola out a show yay, i apologize for messing up your last name in the intro. but i appreciate you being here and i look forward to having you. back and coming, up some companies are telling remote workers to get back in the office. and many of employees are not happy. i know because i've been reading your tweets on. morning we will debate the future of work, after the break. future of work, after th break. break. for more on the new boss, here's patrick mahomes. incredible - meatballs, fresh mozzarella and pepperon- oh, the meatball's out! i thought he never fumbles. the new subway series. what's your pick? your brain is an amazing thing. but as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain

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-- ? because labor day was supposed to be the turning point for employees to get all this back into the office. but honestly, in the latest poll, more than half of full-time employees in the usa know. their jobs can be done by working from home. so it is clear that the new remote and hybrid work models are presenting challenges for employers and employees that want that work left life balance and flexibility and where and how they can work. and it is wreaking havoc, quite frankly, everywhere. so let's talk about that. joining me now is sheila sublimation. she is a vice president and cofounder future forum, and sacha thompson, she is the ceo of the equity of creation. very thrilled to have both of you ladies with. me i want to start with you, sheila. this is going to either be a rude awakening to workers

forced to return to the office, or it could be a revolution by workers who refuse and are quite frankly, instituting their own rules around what will happen in workforce development. what do you anticipate? >> yes. so this is the third labor day where employers have set these lines in the sand that employees need to go back in the office full-time. and, dare i say it, i would say the score is now three to nothing in in favor of employees. what we are seeing from their data on future forum is that, only one in five knowledge workers want to go back into the office full-time. and that is actually the lowest it's been since we started serving over two years ago. so the executives i work with, the ones that are the most successful, are the ones who set the principles. the guardrails in terms of what they want to see in their culture, but then they move out of the way and they figure out what works best. they empower their leaders, and their managers to determine the type of work that they are doing and ultimately the number of days people are coming back

into the office as well as how to give them more choice. what we need to realize is that work is not one size fits all and leaders need to realize that as they are implementing the policies when it comes to returning to offices. >> sacha, i'm curious your thoughts here because i am a fan of being in the office. i do think that there are some jobs that can be fine working from home. but i do wonder as some people are saying, no i want to be in the office. and they're saying well you can come in three days a week. and someone else is saying i'm gonna be there five days a week. how does that work when it comes to workforce development, when it comes to promotions? is the person who comes in, or has the privilege to come in will they be favored? do you consider gas prices, childcare, who that disproportionately impacts. we have a lot of questions to figure out as we shift our way of thinking around work. >> absolutely. those are some of the things that managers, people managers are struggling with right now. because now they are dealing with proximity bias. the folks that are in the office are having a more face time. but then, what they are also

noticing is some of those people managers aren't in the offices either. so it is this challenge of how do we ensure inclusion as a part of this when we are talking about hybrid work places. how are we looking at this when we are talking about promotions or opportunities to grow and expand professional development? this is a new landscape and as sheila said, this is the third year. so at this point, organizations should have come up with a plan. and so, what we are also seeing two is, we have opened pandora's box. we can't go back to where we were pre-pandemic. we are in this post pandemic place where people want to not just survive in the workplace, they want to thrive. and so organizations have to figure out how to make that happen. >> you know, sheila, i think some of this is intergenerational as well. because i know that i go back and forth between, these young kids are so privileged and,

they want to do yoga at three in the afternoon and, don't talk to me about work life balance when you're 22. but then on the other side i think, these young people are showing us a different way, because it is not about. you know i take no pleasure in saying i work 18 hours a day. people are looking at you like, do you want to meddle for that? like that is not necessarily a good thing. so, i wonder how much of this is generational. particularly when you think of ceos, and the people empower making these decisions. they are not gen zers. and more than likely they are not millennials either. >> yeah. so a lot of the conversation right now is about generations and the tension between executives and gen zers. i accept that. that said, i think there has been a fundamental shift in how people approach work over the last two years. i am working mom, we want back to 2019. i used to talk to fellow parents about how our lives were going to fit into our work. how we were going to achieve that elusive work life balance. and now, fast forward to 2022, the conversation is so much

more about how is work going to fit into my life. and our jobs are no longer the center of our identity. so when we think about terms like the great resignation, i encourage leaders to dismiss the notion that employees who sacrificed their health, or time with their family, or even contributions to their community, are the marker of a good employee. rather, they need to focus on the outcomes, the results, the value that are their employees are driving, rather than their tendency to always be on and always responsive to the needs of their employer. >> but then you also think about, sacha, what does that mean for people who work downtown? if you work at the coffee shop downtown, you work it restaurants downtown, and these bumbling business areas. because it casts a dark shadow over some of their economic prospects. i know when i'm traveling, hotel workers always tell me, we are struggling. people who work in the service industry. servers, they are struggling because people are not back yet. so this really is not just a

workforce and workforce development shift, it is an economic shift in how we look at. the data economy, that was a. shifted now here we are again. >> yeah, this is what we are calling the big. pivot companies need to figure out how can we monetize what is in front of us right now? one of the things that came up during the pandemic, where a lot of restaurants were starting to do delivery. many of them are still doing that. and so, how do you continue to pivot. how do you can start to meet your customers where they are? and so, what we will probably see is some organizations or some companies either shifting or going out of business, unfortunately. because they are not able to make that shift in that change. so, for organizations or companies that are kind of downtown or in the hub where people are working, and they're making their money, they may need to look at other options. they may need to move to different locations. but again, those are the

conversations that need to happen right now, because if they have been happening, they are kind of missing the boat. >> yeah. well something that i want to talk about on the other side of the break is microaggressions. i am sure you ladies know a lot about that. because this is the first time a lot of people are going back to work post george floyd, and post what they call a racial reckoning. and so, practices, language, things used to happen before in the before times as i call them. really have to be disrupted now. and so we are all getting to know each other again. so on the other side of the break, i want to continue this conversation. but first, i do want to talk to you about a quick programming note for tomorrow night. msnbc films presents model america. this is a four part series which details the followed after a black teenager was fatally shot by a white police officer. this happened in teaneck new jersey back in 1990. take a look at this clip from the documentary. >> i got a call from -- in teaneck who was a friend of mine. and he just called me up

screaming. and i said, they said, it was a shooting. you know teaneck police just shot somebody. they shot a young kid. they shot a black kid. in teaneck? a white cop, shot a black kid? i can't believe it. >> compelling story. all too familiar. so, be sure to catch this powerful series starting tomorrow night at ms at 10 pm eastern right here on msnbc. you can also be sure to catch it streaming on peacock. you don't want to miss that. but don't go anywhere, because we're gonna talk microaggressions on the other side of this break and what being back at the office means for all of us. we will see you in a second. r all of us. we will see you in a second.

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better pay. thursday, a potentially devastating strike was averted after railroad workers were finally able to reach an agreement with real companies. the tentative deal includes a pay hike and the right to take unpaid days off for doctors appointments without penalty. which should be pretty basic things, you'd imagine. my panel is back with me to discuss. sacha, i want to start off with you here because, you know, this is a pretty big deal with a lot of the unionizing efforts we have seen from amazon, to starbucks, to other companies. and it really does punctuate the point that workers are not so grateful to have a job as much as they are, hey i provide a service, you prove pay me fairly for that service. what kind of influence will decide across the country? >> i think this is something that we will continue to see. people are looking for just basic needs in the workplace. so it goes beyond the paycheck. it is, allow me the freedom and the flexibility to be able to

take care of my family if i need to. or be able to go to a doctor's appointment. or not to be overworked. with so many people leaving the workplace right now, what we are starting to see our organizations, i believe it was a nurses union, that they were getting twice as much put on their plate. we are seeing it with teachers as well. so organizations need to do what they can to ensure that the conditions, the basic conditions of work, are something that people want to do. they want to come in and be a part of that. versus feeling overworked, over stress, burnt out, et cetera. >> yeah, i agree. and you know, sheila, it is a very strange time. we are all trying to figure things out. but i know coming back into an office post george floyd, post this racial reckoning as people call it, some people do feel more productive. because when you are at home

and you don't have to be confronted with dumb questions or insensitive comments or rude behavior or that water cooler talk with, is just not a lot of cultural competency in the office. how do you anticipate that the workforce will navigate that? because people are just, have had it. people are up to here with racism, sexism, racial insults sensitivity, all of the euphemisms people come up with. what is your take on that? >> absolutely. when we started serving two years ago, one thing that we saw was that a sense of belonging as well as relationships with coworkers was actually better working flexibly versus work in the office for employees of color in the u.s.. and as we dug into the data, we saw the core reason for that was that employees of color didn't have to code switch. code switching is the active changing our behavior, the foods that you eat, the way that you talk, in order to fit into the prevailing norm. and what we saw was that, flexible work enabled employees

of color to bring more of their full selves to work. and not have to focus on, who is sitting with whom in the cafeteria or, how am i going to fit in that this happy hour? and actually have conversations about work in the end. i think so much of this goes back to race kelly managers and -- to develop norman clues of environments. and ensure that we are focusing on the right topics, we're focused on the outcomes, rather than outdated norms. >> absolutely. >> yeah, and sheila, oh sacha, i'm sure you have thoughts on. that look, here the cross connection we don't codes. which we are intentional about it. like i say, a lot of your kids are out there trying to sound like. me why my breaking my neck trying to sound like. you deal with. it so i think it is a bit of an exhale when you are at home and you do have to twist him boxer self into something for the comfort of them. when you feel uncomfortable all the time, but you are doing something for the comfort of them. it is an exhale. your take on that? >> you know, absolutely. she landed right on the head. it is helping the managers, the

people managers, understand how to shift in this. a lot of the work that i do is doing psychological safety with people managers. having them understand, what is a microaggression, what is your psychological safety score. because what i tell them is, that is your score. that is how your team is experiencing you and this organization and the culture. and you start to work around that. and so those are the things that organizations need to really do, is get those people leaders the skills and the resources that they need in order to succeed. >> yes. i always make this point when i talk to ceos and they say, oh we have such honest conversations with our employees today. and since george floyd we met with all our black employees and had an honest conversation. no you didn't, you didn't. there was that meeting, and then there is the meeting after the meeting that you are divided to. that is where the audit conversation happened. so, we will have to invite you back. as we navigate this workforce situation in the country. thank you so much, sheila

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to the cross connection. we start this hour with an update on donald trump's latest legal battle with the departed of justice. last night, the doj once again trying to get access to those classified documents trump was hoarding at mar-a-lago. they asked the circuit court of appeals to state. jugs alene candidates ruling that blocked a department from revealing those documents as part of a criminal investigation. now, under judge tenants reeling, investigators can only access to classified documents after they are reviewed by special master judge raymond dearing. we don't know yet how the circuit court will rule on the doj's request, but here is a hint. six of the courts 11 justices were appointed by, you guessed, it donald trump. joining me now to bring the funk's role in martin. he is host of the rolling martin unfiltered daily show.

roland, this circuit of appeal may be dead in the water with these trump appointed judges, as highlights more than ever the importance of midterms and the need for democrats to put their own judges on the bench. the opaque piece are doing a better job of prioritizing the courts. your take on? that's >> absolutely what you're dealing, with a look at donald trump wants to extend >> this as far as you possibly can. that is what it is all about. he fights every single legal challenge by thinking this when he is going to lose. remember the, supreme court is already ruling on the safety privilege. so even though you have the conservative justices, i think as it goes up he will lose and realize, you can't exerting that could've privilege when you are no longer executive. >> right, exactly. really good. point i do because they focus so much on just judges, i do want to shift gears and talk about the midterm elections coming up, i would return to georgia which is on everyone's minds. because less than two months out from the midterms, and at the center of the conversation among many black men that really happens. and i want to center blackmon today, right now we could be looking at a split ticket. senator warnock is really

leading in his race against herschel walker. but stacey abrams is behind governor kent. abrams has says, if blackmon vote for her she will win. but, the math ain't really mounting their. and i know roland has a lot of thoughts on. that i want to bring into the conversation cliff albright. he's the cofounder of the black matters black votes matter. fund and fending partner hit strategies. cliff, i want to start with you since you are on the grounds there in georgia. we will get to that debate between warnock and walk around in a second. but just being on the, ground cliff, what do you make of? that are black men large in number enough to decide this race for stacey abrams, or is this just a headline that is more yellow journalism and sensationalism than truth? >> yeah, good morning it is great to be here with you. obviously black males, black male voters make up enough of a block where we can be a part of what the differences. keep in mind we are talking about a state where in a presidential election in 2020

the difference was famously those votes that trump was trying to put in place. but, in a situation like that yeah black men can be a big part of the equation. and whether or not they come out, we come out, black man in georgia come out and support stacey at the same rate that black women do is a legitimate question. now certainly black men aren't going to bear the brunt of what happens in this election no more than black women will have to bear the brunt of it. some white folks are gonna have to wake up and actually do the right thing in the state if they want it to move forward. but i think that it is smart to raise this issue. because at the end of the day, and we had to admit it but there is some number of black men that will just refused to vote. it is the sexism, the patriarch, and just above used to vote for women. whether that woman is cc abrams, or hillary clinton in 16. and that is an issue that we have to address.

again, that is not the majority of us. it is not a plurality of. us but we have to address that and we have to be willing to call that out and call it what it is. >> yeah, well terrence, you are on ground doing work and pulling their. so i think clifford's makes a very good point which i wanted to get. new but terrence, i want to ask you, just for the mouth part. because i don't know that it is fair to lay this at the feet of black men and say, yeah you guys costas of the election. because black men overwhelmingly vote democratic and so as a pollster, i am curious your take on this conversation around black voters in georgia. >> yes, thank you for that tiffany. the truth is that the democratic support. between men and women is not unique to black voters. there is a gender gap amongst all voters where men are more likely to vote conservative. when you look at the math here, stevie abrams lost in 2018 by 55,000 votes.

had blackmon voted for stacey abrams at the same rate as black women, she would have had 120,000 more votes. so there is mouth there. the challenge is that, since 2018, republicans have doubled down on their efforts, coordinated and extensive investment targeting black men, targeting men of color. and in 2000 and 2020, we saw donald trump double his margins amongst black men in georgia. a difference of 370,000 votes. the gap between black men and black women was the difference of 370,000 votes in georgia, and so we do have to close that gap. and while that is not unique to black men, and we see that gap amongst all men of color, the difference with black men is that they were democratic voters. these were obama voters. and some would argue that they were only obama voters. they were never in fact democratic voters. and that is where democrats have work to do. to prove that since 2020 they have made progress on the

issues that matter most to black men. and that they have a plan for black men moving forward. >> all right so, cliff mentioned hillary clinton, terrence talked about obama, we have to take this thing back a decade. why am i wearing this shirt? it is way alpha shirt. first of all, we vote, but here is why. black men are the second most loyal voting bloc of the democratic party. who is number one? black women. so let's just be really clear who black men are voting for. in 2012 there was a nine-point gap between black men and black women. obama. so people try to make this out to be about sexism, that is not true. with two men running, and blackmon. black men were not happy with obama. they felt he should have done more. because economics, criminal justice, things along that. line so what happens? you go to 16. now for 13 point, grappled oh 20. now that. stands but here is what people ignore. and terrence knows this as well,

tom toilets. the architect of voter suppression in carolina was getting around 18% as well. why? because democrats were ignoring that constituency. black women also organized and mobilized to force the democratic party to pay more attention to them. in many cases black men in the party have not actually done that. so what you are seeing is black men who are saying, you're nothing attention to me. you are ignoring what is happening when it comes to economics. you are ignoring me when it comes to the critical issues. and so the democratic party has not done is create a specific strategy to target those individuals, because it comes down to numbers. warnock beat kelly leverock by less than 100,000 votes. and so if you're the democratic party, and you are saying you're ignoring these numbers, what to terrence just, say you are ignoring the potential to win. you should be trying to get every vote. and i'm just going to go ahead and put it out here, because someone has to say. it's a fundamental problem with the democratic party is that white strategists are controlling the money, are controlling the strategy. this, after americans are

having input. but if you are trying to win, you had better listen to black people, you had better form these initiatives. otherwise you are going to lose. and that gap is going to widen. >> yeah, and fund candidates. instead of meddling around in public in a republican elections try to put one over the other because you think are easier to beat, bond candidates. >> fun candidates, but also get your own strategies. you can't come talk to black men in the middle of september. they should have been doing this in january after biden got an augury to to build up a program so win elections come, now you -- >> and invest in black media, brother. >> black owned media. but >> black owned. listen, i think roland made a really legitimate point. here i will say, you know, a lot of black men sometimes feel like they are ignored or they are put down, particularly even by black women in the media, so this is not. that but i do hear roland's point that they will feel like norte. but you feel ignored and then you go over to the other side, the oppressed feel oppressed so

then you go and try to align with the oppressor. so i'm not putting black man down, but sometimes it is like, well some of you kevin samuels following quoting people, just look at the truth and see what is happening and get in line with some of the black women. it is majority, like he said, vote democrat. but that margin of people who can be plucked away from your people, and go advance policies that harming people, i just don't understand that. but >> yeah, and you've got three things that wind up happening. and first of all we call it a shout out, as roland mentioned the alpha by officer. we've got a program we reach out to some of the organizations are most aggressively getting involved in answering calls and reaching out to black men to mobilize voters back in 20 and 21. and we expect to do the same next year. but to your question, you see two or three different possible responses when you have this issue about black men and to what extent we feel ignored and to what extent the candidates in the party are addressing our issues. one is that we just stay home,

which is what you were kind of talking about. the other is that we come out and we vote for the opponent who we know isn't doing us any good, in this case this would be voting for camp. but there is this other option and that is what some these polls are getting at is that you see some who are like oh yeah i'm gonna come out a vote for warnock. and that governor toil race, so i'm not really feeling stacey abrams or camp. and some of them will be honest. i have been in conversations with men and some of them will just say it. they'll say, i just don't think a woman should be governor i don't think a black woman should be governor. i don't think that they were meant to be. i have had that conversation. but then you also get this other conversation from somebody who is like, oh i don't know what it is about. it's just something and they won't just come out and say what the issue is. so i think part of this is on the candidates to address our issues. and stacey abrams has a piece of her platform that specifically speak to issues

that black and care. about and roland mentioned some of. then we can but economics, economic stability, is entrepreneurs. we care about police violence. so, she has that in her agenda but part of this isn't, we have to be honest, isn't going to be about her and her efforts and her policies to address these issues. there's a conversation that we have got to have. terrence named, it that march. and it doesn't have to be a huge margin and. but that margins can be -- >> there's a lot of heartbreak. and we're gonna go to, break but i'm putting you guys in the. spot we're gonna wrap the segment. but stick around, because this is too good. i want to bring terrence back in the conversation. i want to keep this conversation going, because it is so important. so don't go anywhere, we are going to continue to break down the latest in georgia ahead of midterms. and, really, this chasm that exists among black men. but later in the show, despite the systemic issues in bad headlines, the nfl still had over had 1 million people tune in during week one up this season. speaking a black man, my boy michael smith, my brother, he is going to join me later to discuss. so keep it right here guys. we will be right back. -- but

all right, my panel is back. with me terrence i want to bring you into the conversation because finally we do have a debate on the calendar between senator raphael warnock and the republican candidates herschel walker. the last time we talked about this my colleague, my brilliant colleague, doctor jason johnson was on with me. and he noticed a very striking similarity between the republican candidate and herschel walker, and some characters we grew up. with take a listen. >> now think about this. at one time, the sign said man came from apes. did it not? if that is true, why are there still apes? >> oh, my, my god. i mean, herschel walker's unintelligent. that is not an opinion, that is a state of fact as evidenced by the foolishness that you just. hard but -- take it away. it is almost as if, and please forgive me. it is almost as if he makes oswald bates with marshmallow

from fat albert it is the most bizarre combination of conspiracies. and not making any. sense it is strange. >> we must internalize the flagellation of the matter by transmitting the effervescence of the indian in proximity in order to further segregate the crux of my venereal infection. >> the coast is clear. -- the policeman wherever we'd be -- . >> the accuracy. and it is frightening that this man it is in close proximity to reverend senator raphael warnock. terrence, what is your prediction for this debate. who will be helped with this who will be harmed by this so ralph feel warnock is a strategist. we are helping to define this

debate. and a part of herschel walker's appeal, it is this strongman. it is the hyper masculinity. and frankly, he is a. hero i'm not just amongst football fans, among sports fans in georgia. so we had already begun to you -- . >> all right, i think that terrence we are having audio issues. okay, i got you terrence. finish your thoughts. >> i want to bring rolling back into the combo and play cedric the entertainer who is also getting in on some of the walker shade. take a listen. >> lord, you know they said life was like a box of chocolates. well herschel walker is like

one of, these you get a box of chocolates and you're like yak. that's. him he's like humans come from aids, why are we still not a? whatever herschel auger. come on in. i -- floated over to china and -- and then it was a recycling situation. what brother? i don't know this man is talking about. >> black men are voting for -- and he is on the same ticket, roland. >> but, again they are not on the same ticket because you have to know when you break down these races, you have to break down where depended voters are going in terms of who is supporting kim, who supported. warnock you get all that going on here. but aaron said something that is critical, and often gets overlooked. he said strength. we heard, there's a lot of bachmann talk about donald trump, strength. i remember it was something about george w. bush. but people have to understand, what resonates with blackmon. you represent strength. why do black men respond to -- ? it is strength. not weakness. now, you can say it is policy,

you can say it is crazy, but i need to understand the psychosis of the individual to understand why they might vote someone in order for me to reach them. but if you're talking about how to reach them, i remember in 2016 telling hillary clinton to her face, you have a black male problem. where you're black male surrogates? what about cbc? i said, no. i why? i said where the black. many must send black men talking to black men. because we have a different conversation with one another, that is their failure. and so if you don't do that, then you are going to lose. stacy has a great platform, but she needs blackmail surrogates out. talking to. brothers >> who are some people that can be like good surrogates for her? because they can't always be politicians. like sometimes they need to be the local, the barbershop owner, the exact. the corporate office exact. sorry, clip for you trying to say something? >> yeah, no i think roland has got a excellent point.

i think there has been holding talk about herschel walker and how he can't -- for how much he lies. and there is a segment of the black male voter population for which telling a lie is actually a cool thing, right? i am just keeping it. real but i think that, we need the equivalent to this point about surrogates, we need the equivalent of like what the wnba and the atlanta dream did for -- warnock. keeping in mind that he was following the polls until -- started wearing-ish shirts and that's where he started to skyrocket. we can be the equivalent of that selling out were not, but also, poking holes in herschel walker to really have him be as ridiculed within blackmail circles as like doctor oz as being ridiculed in pennsylvania for his -- or whatever. we need that kind of strategy and we need the kind of circuit that can really point that out. i think people like cedric and

some others, like we need every black male comic just had a routine on herschel. that would be enough right. there >> but it is not just georgia. wisconsin, north carolina, florida. there has to be a strategy and i'm going to say it. again if you are not spending money on black owned media, and you are not listening to black people and democratic parties, and i look at the camera, white strategist who control the money, you keep trying to chase the suburban voters, you're gonna lose big. and so put the money where the people. are >> all, right while they are screaming a mayor that we have to go. terrence, i had like five seconds if you want to say something really quickly but we have to go. >> yeah, real quick, real quick. look, herschel walker has been disqualified on that. stage reverend warnock is going to have to tell voters in georgia what he has done for them in the past two years. it is important to have a plan for the future, but frankly they don't believe us anymore. we have to show proof in the pudding. we have to show return on investment. >> okay, thank you so much, guys. listen, black man.

nobody is putting you down. nobody is laying this failure. feet blackmon overwhelming vote democrat. we know that, we want having to its conversation. so i think the three of you for helping me do that. coming up next, we want to get to the water crisis. a boil water advisory has been lifted in jackson, but that is after nearly seven weeks without clean water in the capital city of mississippi. that is what we are going to talk about, right after this break. so it's been a fire show so far, don't leave us. now we will see you after the commercial. we will see you after th commercial commercial i believe prop 27 is the right thing to do.

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still advising against taking city water. jackson isn't the only city facing a water crisis. and ball to more, and e. coli outbreak told residents to boil their water for a week. officials still don't know the cause of the residents of michigan who are still advised to use bottled water for drinking, and brushing their teeth, while the led water lines are replaced. >> joining me now is the senior fellow at the briefing institution, he's also the author of knowing your price, valuing black lives and prosperity in america's black city. and manny -- he's a professor at the university of madison. he's written a lot about this issue. let's jump into it. i'll start with you, andrea, the reason why these cities have feline water systems might be different, but they all have uncommon that their majority black cities. how might these responses be different if the neighborhoods where affluent white people? when we be here? >> i think what's happened over

the course of three decades as you've seen significant amount of white flight which is reduce the taxpayers, reducing the ability to refurbish and maintain the service. because water is a utility managed at the municipal level we've seen patterns of segregation, we've also seen patterns of failure and infrastructure. wherever you see a lot of white flight, or aging infrastructure, those places are going to be very vulnerable to these kinds of disasters. >> it's interesting you say that because sometimes you see white flight, and also you see black flight. black people get enough money and they leave these neighborhoods. it's not a criticism, because black people literally can't gentrify a neighborhood, you now? >> and people move because we're investing in other places. a lot of the narrative is that people are leaving because of poor performing schools or worse housing conditions. but we have improved other

areas by investing in. them >> when white folks move into the city. then all of a sudden, coffee shop pop up, and yoga studio shop up, and what the message that sends to black people, i think -- certainly young kids. >> manny i want to bring you into the conversation. i want to first acknowledge the democrat fix of jackson mississippi. we have to talk about the republican governor there. the -- it's a weak example of systemic racism. take reeves, he had a horrible thing to say. a let him say it, and then we can talk about it on the other side. >> i've gotta tell you there's a great day to be and had an, spirits always a great day to be not in jackson. this is such a problem this is the same day wherein a senator made a lynching joke as though is funny. what are some of the reasons we're seeing these cities lack basic things like water, because that such a huge deal

when you don't have water to drink, bathing, pressure teeth? that can create havoc in your home. >> absolutely, doctor barry was read on the comments of the way that water systems are governed at the municipal level so when folks flee the suburbs whether they're white flukes or black folks there taking the money in the capital to support those systems. that leads stranded capital in the cities, and it leaves the city's fragmented politically. that leads to fragmentation physically of the water systems themselves. that causes failure. the comments from governor reeves, that's tough. that is tough to listen to. we're talking about the capital of the state that he governs. we can't afford to think of these systems as a separate. we are all in this together municipal water systems work best at scale when this are

large numbers of people. i think the solutions, the places where you see majority, black majority minority central cities, where the water does function, well it's situations where you have regional consolidation. you have a regional water authority. nobody is left behind, everyone has adequate water and sewer services. it is literally essentially it's something we all have to. half >> that's for us to mention, andrea, is people are still paying their water bills while surviving without water. they're still paying their water bills. you know, we've discussed the cross connection, we discussed jackson a while ago. we've been discussing jackson, mississippi, for months. before a lot of other mainstream outlets cut on. what are some of the other cities on the horizon? or things that we should be looking out for? by the time it's being discussed on platforms like this, it's too late. people are already suffering. we should be looking out for? >> in duty -- we are here in d.c., in

baltimore, they're probably going to see something like that that's happening. they're already experiencing who boil advisory and another of other catastrophes. don't forget new orleans. i lived there for 14 years. i concerted a home. really, they built up the levee system and such a way that it would've been good for 2004, but because of climate change, we're seeing that it's inadequate. you can go to new orleans and have any given weekend. you'll see flooding whenever it rains. and then in the midwest, you've had significantly aging infrastructure and white flight, those are vulnerable places. i just want to, at black places are also susceptible, more susceptible to climate change. the surface temperature is hotter in those places. they are next to industrial sites. and so, black areas in this

field of environmental racism, you point to all of the confluence of factors that make these places more vulnerable to these types of events. >> yeah, manny, you think about places in louisiana, you also think about cancer alley that was, you know, louisiana was once home to sprawling plantations, and they're continuing oppression of black folks. even as you think about the shifting demographics of the country, a lot of latino communities are also bearing the brunt of environmental racism as well. what something, we are all watching and taking in these awful images in the news, where do something we could be doing right now to hold these elected officials accountable and make sure at the very minimum, as you prepare electing it of states, that we have basic needs met like clean drinking water? >> absolutely, i am an angry guy, but i'm optimistic too. the great news about this is these problems that we're seeing with water systems there

fundamentally not natural disasters. we're not talking about some horrible nude chemical contaminant or a pathogen that's been released into the water system. these are fundamentally problem plumes of governments, economics, and politics. we can solve them. what can we be doing? the first is just to talk about these problems before there is a disaster. you know, disasters like the flint water crisis, and what we're seeing in jackson, in baltimore, they're making americans wake up to the danger, the vulnerabilities that they're worcester systems water -- suffer from. we have to ask questions of her own leaders. hey, are we investing adequately? i will be providing -- heavyweight across our state in our country. >> you know, it's really sad, what's happening to her infrastructure. such a challenge. you know, we'll get into brett favre and the next block, but i do wonder from the gop, that's where's, kneeling for the national anthem are stealing

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the u.s. population. while that growth was happening, there have been even bigger changes in how latinos see themselves. once that could shape the country for years to come. my amazing, brilliant, beautiful, wonderful colleague -- she's also a mom to be. very happy to have morgan on the show. take a listen >> here at this restaurant in manhattan's upper west side, owner richard lam lives in two worlds. richard, what do we have here? this is the -- with some pork fried rice. >> his father, a chinese immigrant, started the restaurant in the 19 80s, after living in south america where he met richard's mother, a native proven. >> what does it mean to be latino? >> it means everything. it's my life, it's my heritage. a lot of people get surprised when they hear me speak spanish. but there are so many interracial people, especially

in new york city. >> i'm latina, and proud to be. >> it's not just here, based on the u.s. sentence, the latino community has grown dramatically, it's now more diverse than ever. nationwide, the number of hispanics or latinos reported more than one race has skyrocketed last ten years, from 3 million, to over 20 million. while the number who identify as only way, it has dropped by nearly half. >> but journalist and writer -- whose work focuses on culture identity, it's a change she's seen firsthand. >> over the last ten, even five, years i think there's been a greater conversation around the terminology that we use. latino, latina, latinx, it has become a more visible conversation. people are pushing back and honing in on what do we mean when we are using the terms? >> so, what has changed?

for us, social media. a wave of young creators described their own identities and share their journey along the way. >> it started posting, i look asian, but i mexican. you have to deal with it. >> secondly, language. the share of u.s. born hispanics to speak spanish at home has declined by nearly ten percentage points in the last decades. with second and third generation is less likely to encourage their children to speak the language. a trend comedian -- who's halfway and half the hispanic have seen in his own life. >> my family, they would speak spanglish. my dad always told me he would teach me this spanish, he would tell me things, and i would catch up on it. i think it's starting to be a normal thing. >> whether it's latino, or hispanic, or latinx, the flavor of the culture is reaching everyone. >> this is the chicken?

>> the chicken that's to die for. >> it shouldn't be surprising to anyone. everyone's interest in, will everyone's mixed. >> some people cut on. >> it's time people cut on. >> all right, thank you so much morgan radford. and a bit of a sad note, before we go to break. i do want to say goodbye to a dear friend of mine personally end of the show. the very talented comedian david arnold who appeared on our show just two weeks ago. david died on september 7th at the age of 54. he was such a bright wonderful soul. he worked so hard and devoted his life to his craft of comedy. it was so shocking that he passed away, four days after appearing on her show. the comedy community is a very tribal community, it devastated so many of our friends and family across the nation. so it's -- already -- deepest sympathies go out to his families and friends. david, cousin, as we called each other, you will be missed.

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personally with a family of wnba brittney griner and paul whelan for the first time yesterday. pressure mounts on the white house to take action to win their release from russia. she is now been in russian prison for seven months. if her story has taught us anything, the world of politics and sports are linked. despite years of systemic issues, more than 121 million of you tuned in to a kick off weekend. let's talk about all of that with michael smith. he's host and commentator for nbc sports for peacock, he is also a news analyst for thursday night football. congratulations on that, my friend. michael, because he wanted to try to me this morning with audio problems, we have a condensed time to talk about a lot of things. quickly, i want to get to football, your take on president biden just now meeting with the families of

brittney griner and paul whelan? >> overdue, but better late than never. i would say, seeing is believing. what i mean by that all those families need something to believe right now. they understand it's a process, it's complicated, that bill richardson just went to moscow to negotiate on behalf of the united states. russia's difficult, but they need something to believe in, and know that they are tough, barr and seeing the president helps. >> i'm so concerned about brittney griner, i think about her all the time, what it must be like in a rush himself so far away from her family. i want to get into the nfl. first of all i'm so happy for you to see that you're back in the field, on the sidelines of lip -- covering these games. but the nfl is so problematic, mike. they are just, they have all these issues, yet over 121 million people tuned in? what incentive does the nfl have to correct their problematic behavior of so many people keep watching? >> not much. the product is more or less

tough flown. but the super bowl -- coming the pregame with nbc, i remember saying onset, we were talking about the -- lawsuit. it often feels, like i struggle with this myself, for over 20 years, it often feels like the fans are complaining there is no black people -- they still patronize the lead. i often think about how i'm contributing to the system that frustrates me. but much like brian flores is still coaching in the league for the steelers, and much like kaepernick still wanted to play in the league since he was blackballed, black people built this lead. we don't have to abandon it, whether it's contributors, or his fans. i understand people who say i don't want anything to do with it. but i think we can also criticize the lead and call it an it's bs we'll still enjoying the product as we see fit. and also point out, yeah, there's three black head

coaches. six other coaches of color. as many frustrations as there are in the nfl, there's reasons to celebrate us when it comes to the nfl. there are four black gm's -- excuse me for a black team president. through this off-season, sandra douglas morgan, first black woman, president of las vegas raiders. and then seven black general managers. there's pride -- progress on other fronts. we can still celebrate. >> we have a long way to go, we just saw what happens with the phoenix suns, on the nba side with his suspension. lebron james and chris paul were not very happy with, it but sadly we don't have time to get to that. we're trying to do a lot, you have to promised me we'll come back. i always big. you all right, we'll have you back really soon. thank you so much michael smith for joining us. i want to switch gears now. just this morning in richmond, virginia, the foundation launched the first 16, 19 case

-- race to -- joining me now, fresh off running is the oscar nominated actor, founder of the diamond -- foundation, i'm so thrilled to have you here brother. you are one of my favorites. let's get right into your foundation, i love what you're doing with the african diaspora. i just got back from paris right now you grew up, and seeing our stories and our lived experiences reminds you here in america, it didn't begin with enslavement, it began much further. why is this something to do for you right now? >> this is important, to celebrate our culture. we are trying to bring healing to many of us who don't know and are completely unaware of the struggles of our ancestors. struggles in the major triumphs

the major achievements and so we are trying to celebrate that. i love that you doing this. >> i'm curious djimon, what you'd say to people, there's still this ignorant narrative. i don't use ignorant as a pejorative. just a lack of knowledge, some people don't feel connected to african, some people say no, i don't like american black people in africa. which is not been my experience every, i love that you're connecting. this talk to people who may be misguided by that false notion. >> i think it's quite important to acknowledge where you're coming from. without that, i don't think that you'll have a better direction as to where your head in. it's quite important to really highlight the healing here. and awareness to this event, with, over time and time again,

believe completely -- the defamation of our people, the character of the continent of africa, a continent that is basically really catering to the world. its people are nowhere to be celebrated. so this event is really to say illiberal us. to celebrate our achievement. and to bring hope to the struggles that after a defense -- every descendants over centuries have -- and richmond, virginia, is strategically one of the strong points of the triangle of the slave trade and this is one of the reasons we came here to stop the event here and and it's the first part of the african reconnect series, which, of course, virginia is the first -- and then we'll have the second one in liverpool, and england.

and then the third will be back to africa, the west coast of africa, been in republic. >> benin, i think that so beautiful what you're doing. tell me why you are personally doing this? as an actor, i'm curious why this is something that you specifically said, this is my mantra, i'm going to stand on this and pursue this? >> i do my job as an actor for feed my family, but this is to feed my soul. ever since i came to america, i felt a tremendous avoid being here, and a complete lack of connection with my folks. and so this has grown in me for 30 years, over three years, and i've looked at this and trying to find ways to bring people together. as you know sports and music

are the two elements, the two instruments to bring people together. we chose sports, and also we're using music, also, we will be doing events with music. music, if you tell the story of music from beginning of time, it's basically the history of this country. >> that's right, well you have to promised to please come, back i would like you to join me onset djimon hounsou, all right thank you so much. for our viewers, don't go anywhere, we'll be right back after this break. after this break with our flea and tick meds. it's not peanut butter. ♪ the peanut butter box is here ♪ i'm out. pet prescriptions delivered to your door. chewy. the new subway series menu. the greatest sandwich roster ever assembled. tony, the new outlaw's got double pepper jack and juicy steak. let's get some more analysis on that, chuck. mmm. pepper jack. tender steak. very insightful, guys. the new subway series. what's your pick? peaceful state. full plate.

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