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way. [laughs] >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching! thank you for watching as we begin a new hour, trump's years of magical thinking. as the walls begin to close around him, the fourth president appearing more than usual. and he has the power to declassify top secret government documents with his mind. also this hour, americans say trump in the threat that he recommends to democracy will play a role in the midterm vote. as the january six committee prepares for the next impossible hearing. plus, the post-roe landscape across america keeps changing, as abortion clinics reopen in one state, and the total ban could soon be law in another. and a disaster again, five
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years after the feds invested billions to get the island back. the american people who live there are in the dark. we asked why. this is american voices! >> hello everyone. i'm alicia mendes. mental gymnastics, it could be donald trump's favorites for. as we go into the classified documents at his mar-a-lago residents. trump claims that those were declassified. when boxes sean hannity asked about that the classification process let's call it this week. the latter made a claim so bonkers that you're going to have to hear it from trump himself. >> it doesn't have to be a process as i understand, it there's different people who say different things but as i understand there doesn't have to be. if you're the president of the united states you can be classified just by saying it's the classified. even by thinking about it. because you are sending it to
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mar-a-lago or to wherever you are sending it. >> let's just say if you consider these mental gymnastics he didn't quite stick the landing. and that claim providing perfect fodder for late night tv >> it's officially declassified as long as you believe that it is declassified, and that is according to trump's new legal adviser. >> trump actually had the power to change things just by thinking about them. don junior was turning into a big mac years ago. how does this happen? >> your honor, the defendant pleads jedi. >> think about it for a moment, imagine telling a customer's agent that you reviewed your passport by thinking about it or explaining to a call that your license isn't expired because you renewed it with your mind. it is absurd! but for trump, this magical thinking, this sense that the rules do not apply to him expand to the business dealings
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as well. this week, new york ag letitia james filed a sweeping lawsuit, accusing trump and his three children of staggering fraud. the suit alleges more than 200 instances of fraud over ten years. as james says? it is all about accountability >> claiming that you have money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. it's the art of the steel. and there cannot be different rules for different people in this country, or in the state and former presidents are no different. >> which brings us back to fox news, where sean hannity asked trump exactly how he goes on and determining the values of his properties. this is what he said >> what happened shawn's, we have a disclaimer right on the front. and it basically says, you know, get your own people you're at your own risk.
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what we do is, here is the financial statements but be careful. because it may not be accurate, it may be way off. i mean, we go a close to a page and a half of all these things, yet your own people, use your own appraisers, use your own lawyers and don't rely on us. >> donald trump's version of reality is different than ours to say the least. in the real world, one cannot be classified documents with one's mind. is it possible to deflator inflate the world of real estate as one sees fit. so the big question remains is reality catching up with the former president? with me now is joe, she is an msnbc c contributor, -- melissa murray is an msnbc contributor and professor of law at new york university. and david cay johnston, a law professor at syracuse university and the author of many books on trump including, the big cheat. how donald trump fleeced
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america and enrich himself and his family to, my producers were in my ear to one of those montage is saying that you are having a response to seeing all of those late night hosts rang on the future president because it really is absurd, this idea that you can declassify something just by thinking about it? >> i couldn't help it, i melissa and i have both within texas and i have watched television so this is like seeing it for the first time and i was laughing hysterically because, i thought, now i had to go change my plan to wear dorothy's magic choose and warned, so that i could empower donald trump to use his mind if he has won. to the classified documents, of course that is ridiculous, you can not declassify with your mind. it did not notifying other people. because peoples lives are at stake when you have classified documents at the classification level that we are talking about
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here. you have agents who are human intelligence sources and who could die because their names are revealed. that is a serious thing, and you have to give bare warnings, you can't just think i'm gonna declassify and i'm gonna share it, and it will be on the phone with me. or the argument was, what if i took it up to the bedroom in the white house? that was declassifying, because they took it out of my office. that is not how this works. he should have never been able to even have them in an unsecured place, even in the white house they should always be kept secure. so i couldn't help but laugh because it is the risible. >> you have a similar important point gel which is there actually is a process and there should be regard and reference for the process that is part of the office. and there are stakes, there are people's lives who are on the line. it was the general point, which is believing that there are rules for some people those
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rules do not apply to him reports that perhaps the search at mar-a-lago could actually bolster part of the new york's ag case that trump never turned over all the financial documents that she had asked for. the lawsuit says quote, the search warrants were executed at mar-a-lago in 2022. the district force in the middle district of florida. with the seamless materials including correspondents related to taxes and accounting. so i wonder melissa, what you make of that potential cross action of the two cases? >> well alicia, it's not just the cross section in these two cases. there is a wide range of allegations going on here. and that cash of documents at mar-a-lago, ostensibly, could relate to all of the potential lawsuits. whether it's happened in georgia, in the wake of the election. whether it's about tax information that wasn't properly disclosed to the new york ag whether it's about january six more generally we don't know what is all in that
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cash of documents at mar-a-lago. in part, because their cash of documents is so massive, it's sprawling. again, all of this can relate to each other maybe it is either way it is clear donald trump is facing serious legal jeopardy the idea that the defense is, i declassified with them with my mind or alternatively, it's your fault banks, because you did not take the time to appraise these properties independently and you relied on what i said the appraisal was, again, as he said drizzle >> and he said to -- how much donald trump likes to brag about his supposed wealth and if there is anybody who also knows about the braggadocious behavior. it is for sure michael cohen i want you to take a listen to what he said a short time ago on msnbc >> this case with tish james is the one that is definitely keeping him up at night. he believes that the georgia case, he will be able to defeat
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by finalizing the issue of mens rhea of the guilty party do not know that he was doing anything he believed that the 11,700 and something votes that were stolen from him. so he was just telling them to go find the stolen votes not looking to break the law the tish games case destroys him his whole life's ego it's all about his financial wealth. >> david i wonder what you make of the assessment there. >> i think michael cohen is right on the money there. donald has a long history of not just inflating assets but when it will help him get it more money. and deflating assets when he wants to pay less taxes. he has gone to farcical levels to high documents. claim they were destroyed by a broken water pipe. and auditors were literally at the door oh, we were just accidentally wiping them all
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off the computer. so this is just totally. this is the behavior. and cohen is exactly right. because in a civil case, that is what laetitia james brought it only requires a preponderance of evidence not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. a preponderance of evidence. and her 220 page complaint shows that trump was directing many of these fraudulent activities. and it is important to remember that fraud is always in everywhere around. >> so given that. i want to ask you about a different type of fraud or a different type of fleece. and you have trump allies launching a new super pac. maga ink. it'll be them new fundraising for the midterms. trump might try to use funds from that pack to play legal bills like the other pack that he had. save america? >> well. the laws money -- so we can so full of loopholes.
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yes he can divert a great deal of this money to his personal needs. and if he wants to fight laetitia james effort to apply a corporate death penalty to the trump organization. he's going to need to spend a lot of money upfront. because of the long history of not paying his lawyers. and any competent lawyer is going to demand huge money upfront. but all of this is just another scam of the people who are following him. he is not doing anything to significance to the change of who's been elected in america. he's bringing in money to benefit donald. >> great. and melissa, majority of americans this morning in an insider poll said they believe that the supreme court justices should have term limits. that includes more than two thirds of republicans three fourths of democrats. now we have learned a prolific pusher of trump's big lie, ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. has agreed to speak with a
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supreme -- you're take on how this is going to -- connecting a lot of dots. but if they do what does this mean? >> i can't promise that this testimony is going to be a blockbuster in any way. but i think what is significant, for the first time in the history of this country, we have had the spouse of sitting supreme court justices coming to congress to testify about her dealings in what was essentially an effort to overturn the results of a fallibility conducted election. and again, it's really the optics. the supreme court's legitimacy is at the lowest point it is ever been. the public is losing confidence in the court. they view the coat as irredeemably critical and partisan. and ginni thomas's work if you can call it that, is part of this. it's not just the decision. it is the fact that it looks like the court has been captured by certain interests. and ginni thomas is unmatched
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in the interest. so i don't know if the testimony will be a blockbuster. but will shed light on everything. but the mere fact that she is coming before the congressional committee to testify about an attempted insurrection on the governments and her potential role, or alleged role in it. is i think significant, significant for the court. >> david before i let you go. i do wonder what you're going to be watching for as the new york ag rules out? >> well, new york has civil fraud, conspiracy statute. as all states do. and conspiracy statutes are designed to make it possible for prosecutors to break up the conspiracy to get the rats to scatter. and read each other out at some point, trump will not be in alignment with his children. so there is going to be some disruption here in the family. and they are all going to be looking out for their own individual interests at some point that's going to be
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fascinating to watch because donald would throw his own children under the bus if he wants, to ivan it would be the hardest to do but he will throw them under the bus if he needs to for himself. >> david, thank you so much for being here with us david mls that you are sticking around coming up! trump's potential legal disclosure does not end with mar-a-lago the business as we approach the end of the january 6th investigation. how the committee's findings could add to his problems. plus, we will explore the shifting post-roe landscape as another domino falls. a growing list of states enforcing a near total ban of abortion. -- is standing by, we're looking at the other big stories watching at this hour >> alicia, some breaking news for you know career found one identified ballistic missile. south korea said if our traveled east. they said there is since north korea was preparing to test the missiles fired by a submarine north korea has tested at least
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30 ballistic weapons. there was an aircraft carrier new uss ronald reagan strike group that was in the military extra sizes to show strength against north korean threats. hurricane fiona reach canada's east coast and -- it downed trees, and power lines. more than 500,000 residents are now without power. fiona is now the post cyclone that's making itself northeast in the gulf of st. lawrence. and angry protests in iran are intensifying after a 22 year old woman died in custody. in the country's so-called, morality police. that demonstration is now eight days long. around state media are saying at least 35 people have died since the violence has erupted. american voices we'll be right back after these messages! these messages! and his trusty crew... were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone.
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to choose, republicans will win control of the congress. abortion will be banned. by the way, it won't be initially banned but if they win congress, i think they will. but think what's happening. in the case of rape and incest and that sense. no exceptions. and they're going to criminalize it nationwide. >> president biden responding to the gop's vowed to protect mothers, it's a bit empty
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promises republican lawmakers work to upend abortion rights across the country. so far it has secured restrictions in at least 14 states. arizona is the latest to join the list, the judge reinstating a deflated portion van from the 1800s. it declares any physician who performs an abortion should face five years in prison. the only exception is to save a mother's life. several other states have anti abortion legislation tied up in as president biden puts it, republicans won't stop if the abortion rights are shuttered. joining me now, melissa murray. melissa, what does it tell you that we are now talking about things that were put on the books in the 18 hundreds? >> this is a supreme court that believes in originalism, believes and interpreting the constitution as it would've been understood in 1787 answer
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them this isn't the moment. if we're gonna enforce laws or take it all the way back to the 19th century to the time when men did not have the rights when they were not assumed by law to be assumed by their husband synopsis of the law. so this is the moment, this is exactly what i expected when the job decision came out on june 24th it was going to be chaotic, it's completely disrupted the landscape for reproductive care in the united states and it's made almost every woman in the country, a reproductive refugee to some degree. >> and to layer on to that as a lever there, it made it incredibly confusing moment for providers who are now trying to read the great letter of the law around when a woman's life is in fact at risk. i have spoken to providers who have been on the phone with the legal teams asking them him i allowed to provide the care that i as a doctor believe i am
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supposed to be providing in this moment? i want to ask you, an abortion ban went into effect in indiana last week was then blocked by a judge this week, as you know several other states where in a tug of war with antiabortion mars. how much do we need to be worried to the conversation that you and i are having about widespread confusion around doctors, providers, patience, about what is legal and what is not. and how much of that melissa was the point? >> all of it was the point, this confused and chaotic landscape is as of fact of deterrence to provide a factors with seeking handle care as an outright ban. so having this where they don't know where the medical judgment ends, and the law begins is exactly the point. what we are seeing right now is basically the reproductive rights community doing the only thing that they can do right now which is basically play defense and try to keep the reproductive access flowing for as long as possible.
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you will notice that the indiana judge was a state court judge. they have staff litigating these cases in federal court they have turned to state courts and state constitution. some state constitutions actually protect more rates than the federal constitution does, but again it really depends on the judges and how the judges view and interpret the understanding of those states rights and state constitutional rights. again, a very confused state. we have an arizona where a judge has allowed a very restrictive then to go in effect it doesn't have anything in the ban to go to effect. >> well, power has now left abortion to rights activists to play defense and to accept defensive winds as. wentz this week you had california becoming the latest states to approve a ballot initiative to codify abortion rights in the state if it is past and i wonder if you think a valid initiatives will be the best way to protect abortion
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rights at this point moving forward? >> well there is certainly an effect because it allows the voters to actually register the individual proud senses directly rather than through representative governments like you saw in kansas. an important fact. two days after, kansans had the vote where they rejected the restrictive interpretation of the constitution. indiana passed that. the difference between kansas and indiana? it's not politics, it's the fact that candidates can go to the ballot box directly. whether in indiana, there was a state legislature, a representative government, and the state legislator was gerrymandered. so they cannot have their preferences registered. so ballot and initiatives are extremely promising, the promise is that most states don't have a method for that democracy like a ballot initiative so we're not gonna see what happened in kansas, or california, spread across the country unless the mechanism
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for doing so is actually written into the constitution of those states >> it's amazing how much of this comes down to systems and processes that were put up a long time ago. melissa, as, always thank. you next, americas ongoing threat to democracy will be a top issue at the polls. as the january six committee resumes hearings as they can seize momentum on? this and billions of dollars of aid went to puerto rico just five years ago. so how is half the island still without power after the latest storm? we were as third executive director of the front. ctor of the front. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free at
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your taking an app that is unconstitutional. >> congresswoman liz cheney calling out the cult of trump and january six that is next potential last hearing. it wraps up the investigation, trump's followers are taking the big lie to a new level. far-right groups holding a pro january 6th rally in d.c. this saturday. back with me the msnbc contributor and joining us charm read all the staff writer for the atlantic. our colleague ben collins was at the rally and reporting that it was this mixed malice surge salad and it didn't happen. and if it did, we are proud of it last night you had trump giving a nod to another far-right movement. he went on, i just wonder when you step back and assess what is happening, what are these rallies telling you? >> for one thing the trip doesn't matter and people go to
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these rallies to say that their lives are interesting and have meaning. they're not really here to hear what actually happened, they decided what happens and they have decided that this is something that they want to be part of. the more dangerous thing and the thing i'm much more worried about is that big donald trump is priming a lot of people and forgetting the violence. if the government doesn't leave him alone. if they're being indicted. if they run. trump is now reaching out to any group that will worship him no matter how dangerous they are and he is basically convincing them that he is their messiah and they have to be willing to pick up arms and fight on his behalf >> to that point, i think the stakes were already very very high and clear to the january six committee. i think to tom's point, every time the former president goes
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out there and makes his remarks pretty clear, the stakes can be rising. i wonder what you think of the committee's decision, it seems like they're gonna do one more hearing between now and red midterms? >> yes, i mean i think they could do a lot of hearings because i have a feeling that they have a lot of information that they have not shared with the public. and time is running out, that they probably can't and amongst the democrats take control again of the house, there won't be any other hearings after the midterms. and i agree with everything that trump said about what is happening to this country. and you had said it in an earlier segment about donald trump engaging in magical thinking. and it is, but i would say that it is also delusional thinking. and, he's living in an alternative universe. as are all of the people who are in the rallies, who believed without any shred of evidence.
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without a single, actual components. that what he says is true. they actually believe that he lost, i'm sorry, that he won the election. when he did not lewin the election. and it is a very frightening time in america. we need to make plans matter again. there was a time in america where banks were agreed upon and accepted. and the debate was on what policies would make those stacks better. not which would make them disappear. so, i think we're going to be in a sad situation now and i hope that facts will come back to matter. >> i want to pick up on something that jill said which is that this sense of urgency, timewise, knowing that republicans, they have vowed to shut down the january six committee, if they were to retake the house. but we actually have a former impeachment manager warning that they may do something far worse. take a listen. >> if the republicans win the house and kevin mccarthy is the
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speaker of the house can anyone actually say with certainty that he will not, that he will certify the election results if donald trump runs and loses? of course he won't. we already know that he didn't once. they are move to impeach the cabinet officers. they will occupy the time with a lot of arguments about the president and his administration in an effort to again, undermine the work of the president, the work of the administration. and really to undermine the things that we have gotten done for the american people >> tom, when we talk about stakes, those are the highest possible stakes. i will ask you two questions but i think that they're sort of intertwined. which is what it means for congress as an institution. if that were to happen. but more importantly, of course, growing out of that. what it means for our country. >> what it means for congress is that, if republicans take the house, or either of those bodies, the republican party
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has completely collapse of anything like an instrument of government or a political party. it's a cult of personality. where, not all meters of the party are either cowards, or true believers. when i think most of them are just cowards they're not gonna stand up to their own primary voters. they are not coming and keeping their jobs. they aren't going to come and leave the emerald city and go home. and they will do anything to say where they are. and that means, when their country is, that they will gladly sow chaos. be guided by their own french. rather than even govern the country. the republicans talk about policy, they don't really have any policies other than this kind of will to power, by feeding red b to their own ways. whether it's abortion, or immigration, or anything else. and in the mirror, it won't
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take that long for the institutions of government to seriously seize the function after a while because you cannot get nominees through that kind of a process. you can't run institutions and departments with that kind of process, and i think david is absolutely right, they will just launch investigations and all kinds of other trauma league and things that appeal to their veins but will essentially paralyzed the country sooner or later. >> joe, since you're doing me the favor of staying with us for two segments, i wanted to ask you for some of the stories. >> well actually, i ended up adding a pin because of the comments earlier. but i was originally wary when the sisters in law approach. because look for the first time ever. all sisters almaguer together at the texas tribunal fest and it was the first time we had all been together we did a recording of our podcast today,
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at least together there but then you talked about basically his magical thinking and so i put on dorothy's red shoes and her magic wand, so that it would represent that part of it. they also said about mental gymnastics by trump? they i would say the only exercise that he gets his jumping to conclusions. all of which are based on that. >> joe, never abyss appoint, tom. thank you so much. next! puerto rico just five years after hurricane maria ravaged the island more than half of the u.s. territory is without power. and mismanagement, and neglect how it brought us to this point. plus, a crisis in the making a democratic mayor in texas takes a page in the republican playbook to cope with a surge of migrants. one major exception! major exception! spark an explosion of the senses. so when you finally taste it, it just confirms... this. is. fantastic. and only at panera.
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residents remain without power. over 200,000 do not have power. msnbc's on the island where she spoke with the secretary of transportation. >> well we definitely are responding to things. we are preparing to go into recovery phase. but we are still having these incidents throughout the island we've had in slides, road collapse, bridges sewer still pretty much in the emergency response phase i know that the pictures are sad, and we are having these issues we do want everybody to stay close keep their communication if they can we are working through this, and the department of transportation, we have the staff in the crew all over the island up and down the roads and out planning on the recovery. at least for the emergency part. so there is a lot of [inaudible] we have to work with. it's a sad time for us because we have been here before, and we were recovering, and now it feels like we are starting over again.
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>> that was melissa in puerto rico for us as the story puts it, there is déjà vu across the island right now eerily similar to five years ago where the island was torn apart by hurricane maria. that new york times said quote, puerto rico was unraveling economically and political long before luma and hurricane fiona austerity programs and health care -- newly over elected officials reward party loyalists with government employment. creating a series of sycophants who use public office for their own game. joining me now, the executive director for the maria fund ceo mata xiomara, thank you for taking the time. and you are in puerto rico. you can you give us your understanding of what you think, and i said our viewers on what is happening on the ground right now? >> i think it is, thank you for having me, it's amazing to be able to share the story and tell a little bit more for
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people to understand what it's like to understand what it's like to make a 44567 days and not have electricity that means all the food you have in your fridge, you have to throw out. if you don't have water to drink, you don't have water to do your daily things. if you are in an area that has been flooded, that means that we are talking about a life or death situation. we are not talking about a natural disaster, we are talking about the political disaster. and what we are seeing in these images right now is a consequence of a criminal, none, criminal response or lack of response in the last five years. and the use of public funds, a federal funds, at a very high level. to make money off of a crisis. and this is something that the people of puerto rico are not alone. and there have been other places. but the difference is, puerto rico is a colony of the united states.
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still open to this day. and that is something that needs to change that is in the end, sort of, a root cause. of how moments like this, funding in support that should be can or needed on the ground that people on the ground should have power to stay alive they don't >> xiomara caro diaz, i can hear the voice and the motion. and your expertise is incredibly personal to you and to your point. there are people who see this as life and death. and there are people from the upper middle class, i was talking to a friend who likely has to friends and he said they were out of water. things were touch and go for a little while. and we can all sort of imagine what those moments are like. for people who are not completely read into the situation they may say, there was all this federal funding five years ago, what happened to it? help us coordinate the dots from that moment to where we find ourselves today. zero? well there was all that federal funding. since 2016, there's been a fiscal control --
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that was created by the ross act that was passed by congress. that control board has control over even emergency relief. has control over the money that is used. and many ways, and in several ways, has control over taking some of that money and hold a net, and using it to pay off debt. instead of prioritizing the people of puerto rico. there's definitely an incompetency of local government, but i would also say we need to start painting a bigger picture. the reality is that we've been, since 2016, with a make a structure that is in control, undemocratic. this is already undemocratic congress in the case of puerto rico, but then we have seven people, who are part of a structure that are making decisions about the budget every year. that combined with the dynamics of what a disaster happens, which means all of these companies flooded. their real interest does not rebuilding a public electricity
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company. it's not rebuilding public schools. it's not rebuilding public hospitals. it's making money and leaving whenever they can. that is something we've been, the last couple years, not only after maria. we had an earthquake at, 6.4, that hit the south of puerto rico. early 2020. many people who are watching us now also know, early 2020 at the beginning of the pandemic. i am emotional, and i'm angry. and i'm tired, and so are all the people who are on the ground. we are raising funds, but we are raising funds to do a small part of what social justice organizations can do which is support their communities. the reality isn't that it's -- the scale of the disaster, that requires justice, and a government level. >> julio ricardo vadalia wrote a pretty incredible piece for msnbc that i encourage our viewers to go and read. the central argument was a
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can't be on that money and puerto rico's alone to shine a light on what is happening in puerto rico. the lack of care, the lack of focus, it has to -- in this moment, where there is a tension on puerto rico in a way that there might not be ordinarily, what is the one thing you wonder viewers to take away? >> i don't know if i can summarize it in one but i'll try. i would say one, fema needs to amend the map that they put out, leaving 40 municipalities out of support. that is unacceptable. it is lightweight at this point. we've got toll it 14. five years ago we did death toll of 14, we ended up with a death toll of almost 5000 people. second, if you're at home and watching this, go to fiona response not or. that's a fund that we set up amongst organizations, social justice organizations, that are not only committed to supporting our communities right now, but understand that the change that needs to happen
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is long term and are committed to fighting an organizing for that change. there are, that congress is responsible for this. the fiscal control board needs to go. it's been said for six years now, so does the company that is privatizing the electricity in puerto rico. that's called blue i'm puerto rico, but the real name is plateau. that's the owner of -- i think these are some of the biggest structural things that we need to name, and we need to name a friend the beginning. we cannot wait for relief and recovery, we need change. we need big change now, to make sure that people can survive now. but also so puerto rico can survive as a place that we call home. >> co mara -- thank you so much in the midst of this crisis to take the time to talk with. us we'll be right back. ght back and power... a very good thing. ♪
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