the honorable donald blinken, by continuing to do his job, anthony blinken gets tonight's last word, the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now. now. tonight, the january 6th committee committee is days from a new hearing, and we have new hearing video of a trump ally calling for violence, he said it was only a joke. plus, an abortion ban from the air 1800s is now the lava landon arizona. the chaos and confusion, as doctors unsure of how to care for their patients. then, in a matter of hours, the head of the radical oath keepers is in court facing seditious conspiracy charges, his former spokesperson is here with a warning about the danger from extremist groups in this country, as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night.

good evening, once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. the breaking news tonight, new video of trump ally roger stone that is likely to be on display during the january 6th committee's hearing on wednesday. the washington post reports that the panel plans to show video of stone from a danish made documentary. and one specific clip, stone speaks out about violence before the 2020 election. >> excellent -- bleep the violence, believe the voting, let's get right to the violence. shoot to kill. cnn teva, shoot to kill. >> the washington post reports, that stone went on to say that he was getting, and renounces violence completely. the 16 committee only obtained that video after the filmmakers complied with the subpoena, some responded to the video in

a statement saying in part, this i challenged the authenticity and accuracy these videos and believe they have been manipulated and selectively edited. wednesdays hearing will be the committees first in over two months and it could be the final one before lawmakers issue the reports. now a former committee adviser, then women has written a book for the panel, it includes new information about a call placed from the white house to a rider who is at the capitol on chances. >> you get a real aha moment when you see that the white house switchboard was connected to a riders phone well it was happening. that's a pretty big aha moment. >> wait a minute, someone in the white house was calling one of the riders well the right was going on. >>. >> we're going to we talked about this discovery early on the network. >> how in the world, in any way, which you have somebody on a white house desk calling a

rider on january 6th. the committee is pursuing this, they want to see the white house numbers, they can you get, them there's hundreds of them. so there's so much more here. >> chance x committee member jamie raskin says, they are aware of that call. today they issued this statement, quote, mr. riggleman had limited knowledge of the committee's investigation. he departed from the staff in april, prior to our hearings, and much of our investigative work. the committee is right on all the leads, and digested and analyzed all the information that arose, from his work. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times, andrew weizmann, former fbi general counsel, and former senior member of the mueller probe. now he's a professor at nyu, and amy stoddard joins us. veteran washington journalist, and associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. andrew, since i know how much you love visiting the crew over

at last word, i want to let you start us off this evening. maybe getting the pole position will make you like it here as much, let's talk about riggleman, he had a lot to say about roger stone earlier tonight. watch a little bit about this. >> roger stone is one of the most important factors of what happened on january 6th. it's not just in what he has said himself, but really in the lane connections, in the data, and the people that worked for him. >> you are very familiar in the way that roger stone operates, anything surprise you here? >> yes, it's really hard not to look at this through the lens of the mueller investigation, if people remember, was charged with seven counts, and what was it for? he wasn't connective issue between chilliness on, and the hacked emails from the hillary clinton campaign, and the trump campaign. and releasing those in october.

and he, at the time by the way, had said that always just a joke, now is just bloviating, but we know what, let's take that to the jury, and the jury obviously thought that he wasn't just joking, and committed him. he was then pardoned. but here i think the one thing that i agree with riggleman about, is he could provide very interesting connective tissue. because although you have donald trump fomenting the riots, insurrection on january 6th. -- you know, if cassidy hutchinson said that on january 5th, she heard donald trump tell mark meadows to call roger stone, and mike flynn. so, if you have roger stone involved with the oath keepers, and communicating with them,

that is a connective tissue. and finally, i'd say donald trump is smart to rely on water stone, as that intermediary, because he knows he does not slip. he's a guy who is willing to, you know, go to trial, be convicted, and he keeps the oath of omerta. if you need somebody to pull this, of roger stone is the go-to guy. >> he's also believed to be the architect behind stop the steal. luke, how helpful do you believe this information about stone can be? >> right, well the january 6th community sense some other top investigators to denmark to get this footage. it's about 170 hours of documentary footage, of roger stone's actions. and we do expect some of it to be played wednesday, i know the filmmakers are coming down from new york for the hearing. as andrew rightly points out,

roger stone had oath keepers as bodyguards as january six, several of the oath keepers are charged criminally with seditious conspiracy. so you don't really have to look that hard to see that he is a link between trump, he is trump's longest serving political advisor, and the extremist groups. i think that's what denver riggleman was really trying to investigate, here with his time on the committee. that said, the committee is displeased with some of the thing that denver riggleman is doing. they think he's pulling out some evidence before it's fully run to ground, fully cooked and ready for public consumption. so you know, we'll wait to see on wednesday what they have. but you know, the roger stone stuff is a very high importance, i agree. >> av, what do you think about that? this committee has spent thousands and thousands of hours, researching,

investigating, doing work all in the name of protecting our democracy, denver riggleman, who left his work there back in april, has now turned around and written a book that he's making money off of. how does that look in the world of politics and democracy. >> well, i mean in listening to his river interviews he repeatedly says he's not going out of the committee he applauds the work he got to work on this work before the hearings were underway, and he's very pleased with how they have tackled all of the organization and presentation of the evidence that we've seen in the hearings. he's very intent on not criticizing the committee any focuses a lot, obviously, on how much data there is. i thought assign interview did months ago, where he said that if we put our noses down, it'll

take a year to get through it. so he, we know, one of more of a budget to get through all this data, and he got some money but not what he wanted, and he assumes and all these interviews, including tonight he's circle back repeatedly how all these leads need to be tracked down, and as you said they have 1 million rose they how to put down, and details they're pursuing

we haven't seen the evidence that it would have and be an eight or, or better or conspirators sir with the oath keepers. tomorrow, that case which i really have to applaud the doj, because that is a terrific domestic terrorism case against the leaders of the oath keepers, that has gone to trial in d.c.. and between that and the hearing on wednesday, we may all learn more evidence they can answer your question, stephanie. >> luke, what should we expect from the hearing on wednesday, it could be the last meeting we have, where that we see. >> right, you know, the committee has been keeping their cars close to the best on

this one but we have heard it will be perhaps more sprawling than some of the other hearings, that they'll talk a lot about the entirety of the scheme to overturn the election. we've been promised that they'll fill in some key details, a key piece of the scheme we have really focused on yet. there will be some video played of the attack, you're gonna see new video from some of the depositions. -- the other thing i was told today is that there will be an emphasis on continuing threat a democracy. they're not just stopping a january 6th, but the threats to democracy that are ongoing. some might be a little forward-looking, under the speculating here because i don't really know, but i'm excited like everybody else to see what this new information is that the present on wednesday, and they do have a track record of delivering new

revelations that each hearing. >> amy, we're six weeks away from them in terms, is there anything the committee could reveal that will get people excited to turn out? >> well, stephanie, the sensuality of donald trump in the midterm campaign is already an energizing factor for democrats, because independents who can't stand him, who are not pleased with the reparations from the january 6th hearings thus far, and democrats, are motivated the more trump is in the picture. he was been banged up by the revelations when hearings which is why you saw some republicans and pulling begin to shift away from him. the mar-a-lago scandal has brought the faithful back into the fold, and embolden him. he might be, you know, announcing a third campaign for president before the midterm elections, which is a huge problem for the republicans. he remains a huge factor, in

the hearings and what they've divulge between now and november 8th. >> andrew, should we assume that both the doj and the committee know everything, already, that we could've learned from riggleman's book? >> no, i am very much in the adam schiff claire mccaskill camp, that when it comes to the january 6th investigation, that the january six committee is far, far ahead of the doj. i think that you're seeing a lot of activity now by the department, on the january 6th investigation, but i think the reason you saw of a flurry of i think 40 grand jury schemes just a week ago, is a sign that they're starting to rev up, not there towards the end, so i think there's a lot of work that the department has to do, if it's going to bring a

january 6th case, i think it's different with mar-a-lago, because that's just a very simple case. that's one where, in my view, if that can be done by the end of the year, then they need to change horses in terms of who staffing that, because that's a very basic case. >> andrew, with a reminder, the mar-a-lago investigation is different from jan six, and he hasn't even mentioned the investigation into the use of pack money, extraordinary. all right, guys thank you so much, elie, a.b., and a w starting us off on this monday night. now we have to turn to the latest on the mississippi welfare scandal, involving nfl hall of famer brett favre, he knew i was getting back to the story, we have been covering it for weeks. newly-released text messages reveal more, about the how the nation's poorest state spent welfare money on a volleyball stadium, at a school where brett favre's daughter played the sport. our own can delaney and has more. >> nfl hall of famer drivers under growing pressure tonight.

serious radio, putting his weekly radio show on pause, as a new court filing says the former football star waged a campaign to aggressively lobby, for millions of dollars from the -- welfare agency, to finish building a volleyball stadium's alma mater, the university of south mississippi, where's daughter played the sport, and also football practice facility. new techs show brett favre in contact with the governor phil brian, and other state officials, as he pushed to secure funding for people in poverty. >> i need your influence somehow to get your donations and or sponsorships, he texted him in 2015. court records show he secure $5 million, but needed more. even after auditors began to raise questions, brett favre began lobbying. he texted bryant that he wanted to name the volleyball conflicts after the government. we obviously need your help big-time, and time is working against us. brian replied, we are going to get them, but we have to follow the law. i am too old for federal

prison. the former governor said he did not know that he used millions from the federal welfare program to construct the -- in the growing scandal. he also agreed to cooperate with the fbi, which has been investigating the welfare spending for two years. tonight brett favre's lawyer says that is climb behaved honorably, and did not know the state grants he sought came from federal welfare funds, he did not know that the bryant is accusing favre of violating any laws. he has not been charged. >> he is not charged, but it's welcome to join us on the show, any night of the week. our special thanks to kendall and for that report, and for staying on this important story. coming, up a restrictive abortion ban, that is over 100 years old, well, it has just been reinstated in arizona. doctor community patel and what that means for patients, and the confusion it's causing for doctors. it is the kind of thing that

some republicans want across the nation, and later, former oath keepers spokes person, jason bennett is here on the day before his former boss's january 6th trial begins. we'll speak to him about the dangers of extremism, and what he decided he must mean for the group. and ron desantis's stunt to send rioters to massachusetts, may not have been illegal. pete buttigieg says it's something much, much worse. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a busy monday night. night. for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis who are positive for acetylcholine receptor antibodies, it may feel like the world is moving without you. but the picture is changing, with vyvgart. in a clinical trial, participants achieved improved

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state to impose restrictive and confusing abortion laws. a judge ruled a near total abortion ban that was passed in 1864 can now be enforced. new york times reports, on a disagreement among republicans within the state. governor doug doocy has said that the 15th week ban that he signed back in march, which supersede the century old ban, but attorney general mark brnovich has argued that the older band should take precedence. the confusion around abortion laws is around the nation, it is causing serious problems for doctors, as states passed different restrictions. joining us now to discuss is doctor kavita patel, -- during the obama administration. she was also one of our public health experts. i'm so glad you're here, because this ban predates arizona statehood.

what are the medical consequences of this law? >> yes, stephanie, the medical consequences of this law, and the repercussions in the states around arizona are incredible. just be clear, and near total ban is essentially a total ban, because the exception they makers for the life of the mother, but when you look and i'm unpack what is passed in 1864, enacted in 1901, just five years after we haven't had x-ray technology, you see that if i was a physician wanted to transfer somebody to an abortion provider, because they had an ectopic pregnancy, or any number of conditions that would require that level of special skill, i would face criminal penalties and put into jail. so you're putting the criminal system, and the justice system and between the patients and and their health care team. >> what does that mean for patients privacy? >> yeah, so this is an area a

situation -- where we have protections. 13 states in the united states, where we have at least have protections for reproductive services. all the other states, including arizona, for patients this means that they're not even sure if they can make any sort of query to get an appointment even talk to a doctor, about what they should do or what they could do, so this is created all-stars or concerns about privacy, health care institutions have reinforced that they absolutely protect the patients privacy, but stephanie, many states have on the books laws that require notification in order to get those exceptions literally a physician in arizona for example would have to be able to basically consult with law enforcement and be able to discuss why they think this is somebody that determines the exception and have a committee of people if you want to tell me that provinces privacy or

for that minute any sort of dignity for anyone in that process, i beg you to show me that. it's unconscionable, and honestly it goes beyond reproductive care, there's so many things that now could be brought up as suspect to any sort of judicial involvement, and its cause doctors. i went into medicine because it is evidence based in scientific, there are facts, and what you've done is now created an entire culture amongst the profession where we have to fear something about our science are facts and what we've been traded in before we can act in the best interest of a patient and that is going in the wrong direction. >> how dangerous is that? right now we will have doctors and patients confused about the law. >> and where there is confusion there are numerous areas. we know that medicine is a profession where we take pride in understanding what we do wrong, when we have so much confusion and have so many processes in place.

i need to consult a lawyer, i need it toward ministration at a hospital, i need to talk final with the laws today, when even judges do not agree on the interpretation of the law. that the delay is the care that somebody needs, not just in an emergency but in any process of what your body is doing you need to be able to have timely access to care and this absolutely prevents it and it's redefining people are literally redefining the very textbooks that we have learned from, and actually defining abortion inaccurately, and that's even more concerning for patients. >> could this impact the future of medicine, i'm thinking credit limit what medical schools are teaching? >> yes, so there are requirements for medical schools, presidencies, and all these training programs. not only will be difficult for someone, for example arizona or texas or louisiana to find these opportunities for education, but if you've never seen something, stephanie, you

won't recognize it when it comes to front of you. so even in the event that someone does have something that could be threatening their life, you might be dealing with the medical team that has never seen that condition, because the entire state, half the country, in fact two thirds of the country, no longer's it will tee shot in in realtime, and that's just devastating. it's not just obstetricians and gynecologists, we have a number of medical specialties, where we reliant recognizing these conditions, early often, and be able to treat them accurately and all that is in jeopardy. >> doctor hapvida, tell us what dynasty, you always make a smarter, guys make us safer, i appreciate you joining us. >> when we come back, ron desantis, when you put the people of florida ahead of political stunts, as hurricane ian is getting closer and closer to florida's west coast. you might have to ask the biden white house for help, when the 11th hour continues. thou hr continues.

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prove to be a big political test for florida's controversial governor. he's already under fire for flying 50 migrants from texas to massachusetts, using florida taxpayer money and resources. over the weekend, transportation secretary pete buttigieg was asked about that very move. >> obviously, there are issues with the border and migration, but these are the kinds of stunts you see from people who don't have a solution. like, -- governor desantis was in congress, where were they when they were debating immigration reform? what if any of these people tend to be part of the solution? >> let's discuss, with per load surprise winning journalist jonathan capehart, associate editor for the washington post, you know him here as anchor of the sunday show on msnbc. and tim miller, contributor to the bulwark, and former communications director for jeb bush, author the new book why we did it. mr. capehart, a natural

disaster like a hurricane, could have desantis asking joe biden's white house for help. how is that going to go? >> well, we shall see. the last florida governor i remember, republican governor i remember asking a democratic president for help, and also giving that democratic president a hug, ended up being run out of the party, and i'm talking about democratic congressman and candidate for governor, charlie crist. so, the pickle the governor dave desantis is in, is he's playing around with the lives of human beings, with migrants, in defiance of human decency, and the administration, but that is going to ask that same administration for help, when the citizens of florida get hit by a hurricane ian. governor desantis, we now know, has no shame. so i don't think it will bother him one bit, to ask the

president of the united states for help. >> shamelessness is one thing, but he might have himself -- new york times reported that desantis once complained that the governor of texas had a good political fortune to share a border with mexico, he could begin to all those migrant issues. it is what desantis did, who's flight to our food near, eulogy pin inhumane, could he be bordering umbrage gate territory and possibly breaking the law? >> well, i think it was a non-governor, just a private citizen the trick 50 people to putting them on a plane to troll them, i think you're dealing with interstate issues, you're dealing with human trafficking type issues. he had no reason to move these folks, and i appreciate the mention of bridge, gate i thought that is where jonathan was going with, this you haven't a republican governor

-- chris christie with hurricane sandy. was there a hug? >> a hug-ish. >> i think those a lot of similarities to bridge gate, is the type of thing that was very petty, a political maneuver, at first it might have seemed there wasn't gonna be a big deal, chris christie was a rising star in the party of the time, then there's a strip ship trip, you start learning about all the emails, this is washington post story over the weekend, where they're interviewing migrants, those and then stood out to me, jose was talking about how he was lied to. there was a miami herald story about how there were gonna be more flights, going to delaware to try to troll president biden. the person is about to ask route for hurricane ian, but that kind of didn't happen, which is maybe signaling that they realize that they're in a bit of hot water down in florida. i think there's a lot of these

performative republican guys that said because trump got away with everything, they can get away with it. and that really isn't just how it works, and i think it's possible that roger santos is getting yourself in both legal political trouble here. >> i need huge feud to expand on this one works, i want to ask about arizona democratic senator kirsten sinema, she left, arizona flooded kentucky today, where she spoke at an event with none other than mitch mcconnell. at that event, mcconnell called her the most effective first term senator he has seen during his 30 years in the senate. jonathan, do you first. can you explain this as a political strategy? >> sinema's political strategy? i have no idea. but i do understand why senate minority leader mitch mcconnell invited her to kentucky. one -- i don't know if he's trying to own the lives, but he certainly trolling the lives. but also to call her the most effective first-time senator,

it's not damning with faint praise, but of course you thinks she's the most effective first term senator, she blocked a lot of the stuff that he couldn't do as minority leader, by insisting that the filibuster not be reformed so let's say voting rights could happen, voting rights reform could happen, that other bills could be passed, codifying roe, standing in the way of the agenda the democrat president. >> i get why mitch mcconnell is weighing into this. but why would kyrsten sinema be, tim? >> i think she is the most inscrutable politician around for me right now. the best answer i have to that is that she thinks she's kind of doing this john mccain maverick invitation in reverse. but there's a lot of the ways that that's not working, number one donald john mccain had some very clear issues here is

different in the party, and he was summoned to them in a lot of issues. he had a few issues are reported him, torture, campaign finance, immigration. the voters understood, that's where he was. what exactly is kyrsten sinema's position, besides just wanting to be obstructionist, wanting to make mitch mcconnell happy? having some very weird particular complaints about the way that the senate works? wanting to help out the hedge fund guys? it's not a populist maverick style that i think has any appeal, and so i've been the number one joe manchin stand on msnbc, i think what he does makes a lot of times, he's in a deep red state, kirsten sinema is in a state that joe biden won, and she hasn't made clear what her policy agendas, what division is and why she would like the party. i think she thinks she's been a maverick, but it really ain't working. >> i once asked joe manchin, harry gonna do, this is

mcconnell really want to change parties. joe manchin live to me, and someone when i do that, and then reminded me the political power he has in his position, what i wonder about kyrsten sinema's, who exactly is or base? not too many private equity executives or hedge fund managers vote in the state of arizona. tim miller, jonathan capehart, great to have you here. when we come back, with the leader of the oath keepers about to stand trial, his former spokesperson is here to update his warning to january 6th committee, about the very possibility of a very civil war. that's when the 11th hour continues. continues.

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what the vision of the oath keepers is on january 6th. it doesn't necessarily include the rule of law. >> the former spokesperson for the oath keepers delivered that testimony barely two months ago. stewart rhodes will stand trial along for other members of his militia group. they're the first january 6th rioters to face bare -- a for what may be its final public hearing. with me now, former oath keepers spokesperson, jason van tatenhove, his, book the perils of extremism, how i left the earth keepers and why we should be concerned about a future civil war is due out early next

year. your former boss, his trial begins tomorrow. this guy was once a yellow law student, how do you go from there to here? >> i think it has to do with disenfranchisement. i think if we look at some of some of his coworkers, back when he was working for the arizona supreme court, they talk about how he really kind of became more angry with his rhetoric, and how he was talking just with fellow clerks. i think all of this has to do with people being disenfranchised with way the lives are at the moment. things may not be going so well, and they latch onto movements like this. >> the disenfranchised yell law alumni, assad side group, we're also hearing more about roger stone, his ties to the group. andrew, giuliani, possibly testing members of the group. does any that surprise you?

that's not dozens telling a friend group, it's not like the right in the middle of it all. >> yeah, now, it does not surprise me at all, and i think we're gonna see a lot of revelations coming out, during the trial about connections with specifically, roger stone, giuliani, i'm sure. but i think it was really kind of stone that was probably the one taking the lead and opening lines of communication between the campaign, and then a ministration -- leaders of these different -- >> seditious conspiracy theories, those are serious charges. to think this is making any current members of the oath keepers kind of wake up to how serious this is, and the trouble they could all be in? >> i'm sure hope it is. i think it depends on how much account help, whether or not there are any repercussions to the events we saw, the violent insurrection we saw on january

6th. because thus far, there has not really been any really count held through these leaders. there's been some times, sure, but cases dismissed, and the only people that have paid any sort of price for any of these actions, moving forward, has been lower level people that were used really, and then abandoned by stuart. >> what happens of steward and some of these other's top guys are in real trouble? is there a group right beneath them ready to take the helm? >> i don't think so now. i think that will happen, i think certainly stewart has given a blueprint of future leaders of these types of organizations. he's shown them how to have a national organization, how to break that down into state chapters, in hyperlocal county chapters. and the autonomy's. so unfortunately, he's given out a blueprint that has been proven to, work and we'll see

him move forward with it. we got lucky stewart, because he was only weaves toying that legal line, he talked about how, if but when it came time to enter the capitol, he was back where he didn't actually -- oversaw that bondi ranch, we saw that up in the pacific northwest. so you know if a leader were to come up that was willing to take the lead, that charge, well that's gonna be a scary replace them where we are now. >> that's what i want to ask you about before we go. when you spoke to the chance six panel, you said we are very, very close to a civil war. as that view changed? >> no, it hasn't, i think we are close to it. i think the words that are out there, those words go on to become actions, i think we're so divided is a country right, now we really need to focus on protecting our democracy, first and foremost, and really trying to find ways to rebuild some of the unity that we've lost as a

nation. through briefly through ads. >> every day we have a chance to do, that all of us, and work to bring us together. jason, thank you for joining us, and your new book, out early next year, the perils of extremism, please come up when it's out. and a reminder, stay with msnbc for special coverage of the next january 6th hearing on wednesday, lead in the afternoon by andrew mitchell, katie torres, and hallie jackson. and join us at msnbc at night, to our recap special beginning at 8 pm, i will be joining my colleagues rachel maddow, showing, right, and alex wagner breaking down all elements, every word that we hear in that hearing on wednesday, we do not want to sit, but next, the american military organization that just started marching to a hip new beat. don't go to bed yet, you're gonna want to hear this, when the 11th hour continues. our continues.

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about the army field been looking to have at hip-hop artists to his rank. >> how does it field, to be the first? >> to be here, and be able to be a part of such a great organization, it would be -- to even bring on rappers, is a great blessing. >> we're gonna be focused on making sure we're doing a good job with a title. >> you can talk about a multitude of different things with hip music. >> after months of basic training, they are now full-time members of the army and its field band. making their debut in front of a world audience and scotland, at the edinburg military tied to last month. >> when we hit that walkway, meet him kind of give each other a little -- we were like, it's showtime. >> that's what i paid for when i was younger, so i was glad to be there. >> the army, striking a new court with these trail blazers leading the way. >> i sometimes think it just takes time, but it's here, now and we're gonna stay. >> erin gilchrist, and we see

news, for bean, maryland. >> we are here to stay, they say. and from everybody the 11th hour, we are really glad to hear it. on that note, i wish you all at home a very, very good night, from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us, i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. and thanks for joining us here this hour. very happy to have you here. i was almost 100 years ago. it was 1922, october 1922. and the fascist party announced that they would march into the nation's capital. they would march on rome. and the prime minister at the time knew that if they were gonna march on rome, this