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before we go, i wanna let you know that i'll be back here wednesday night this week, 8 pm eastern, wednesday night, the january 6th investigation is holding its next hearing, possibly its final hearing, wednesday at 1 pm eastern during the day. you can of course watch it live here as it happens on msnbc, but that night, wednesday night debate eastern, i will be here along with a cast of thousands to help with our special primetime recap of the hearing. whether not able to watch it live, join us here wednesday night starting at 8 pm eastern on msnbc. looking forward to seeing you back. that does it for me for now. alex wagner will be back here tomorrow. now, it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell.
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i think another 999 in the cast of thousands, and there's one reason why it hope it's not the last hearing. i really enjoy that hearing coverage with you on the nights after they've had one of these hearings so i'm looking for the more than just wednesday night -- >> thank you for saying that, i feel a little bit guilty, in saying that, but there are very few nights, the collection of some debate some things of that, for all of us get to be together like in the same dugout, you know what i mean? instead of just hosting our individual hours, i find it so rewarding, so interesting, i find it super intellectually stimulating i really, really like, it some looking forward to. it >> will get to watch me learn stuff on tv, when i'm listening to everybody else speaking, because everybody captures something. everybody there, will grab something that i didn't, grabbed or agency that, way i
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hadn't framed that way, or wasn't taking notes fast enough. so it's informative, it's been informative to me while sitting there listening to what you have to say, to what -- has to say, chris hayes. it's always been such a collaborative effort, to cover this and gathering all or stuff. >> agreed, it's like an all-star game if it counted. >> so rachel, quick news quiz before you go, which democrat -- democratic member of the senate said today, about mitch mcconnell, we share the same values. and i'm gonna give you a hint. she couldn't drive there, because she is not from west virginia, and she had to fly to kentucky, which is where she said this, today. >> yeah, i've been trying to
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pretend all day like i didn't know that. >> you know what, that's fine, that's the way -- >> i want to go back to a time in my life when i did know that. >> right, go back to this morning, thank you rachel. >> so wednesday, lawrence, thank you. >> well, the clock is ticking on donald trump's lie. donald trump and his lawyers have to stop lying about what the fbi did when they seized documents, including classified documents from his winter residents in florida on august 8th, because the special master is telling them to stop lying. the special master in the case, judge raymond dearie issued an order on friday saying, that the justice department should deliver a final version of a, quote, detailed property inventory, seized by the fbi from donald trump's justice department, following the judges order right in the report to the court today, and on trump's lawyers. but the most important part of judge dearie's law in order that he issued on friday says a
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by friday of this week, by friday of this week, time is up donald trump in this case, because donald trump's lawyers must submit, quote, a list of any specific items set forth in the detailed property inventory, the plaintiffs officers were not seized from the premises on august 8th, 2022. judge dearie wrote that order two days after donald trump said this. >> the problem that you have is they go into rooms, they won't let anybody near them, they want to let them in the same building. they drop anything into those piles, or did they do it later? >> donald trump is not going to be time outlining street. donald trump has been suggesting repeatedly that the fbi planted evidence when they were executing the search warrant. judge dearie is ordering donald trump's lawyers to identify that planted evidence, by
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friday, donald trump's lawyers will of course not do that because they do not want to be caught lying to a federal judge, because that would be the end of their careers, and they will be convicted of crimes for doing that. so as of friday, because donald trump's lawyers successfully brought a special master into the case, remember the special master was their idea, and because they did that, that special master will formally and legally be shut down one of donald trump's big lies about the fbi search. >> -- judge dearie today was accompanied by he under oath affidavit by the supervisory special agent with the fbi, who was present, during the execution of the search warrant. the agent whose name was has been redacted from the filing so that donald trump supporters will not try to kill him, says,
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the squad that i supervised had primary responsibility for execution of a search warrant at the premises on august 8th, 2022. i was present during the execution of that search warrant which resulted in the seizure of 33 boxes, containers, and other items of evidence, which contain just over 100 records, with classification markings, including mark's more top secret, and workers marked as containing additional sensitive information. the fbi agent said that before submitting this final detailed property inventory -- >> connected and additional review and we have incredible things. recap of the donald trump one year ago seas materials in order to make this declaration that additional review and recount, resulted in some minor revisions to the detailed property inventory.
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in the total number of at the folders with classified banners -- with only one days notice, the fbi said, there were 47 empty for folders with classified banners. in the corrected recount of every item in the inventory, submitted today, there are 46 empty folders with classified banners -- there was two less. i'm changed in the property inventory is the fact that i have most of those empty folders, with a classified banners, most of them were found in donald trump's office, along with 25 classified documents found in don trump's office most of the rest of the material is found in the storage room. donald trump's lawyers have until friday to dispute any
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aspect of this detailed property inventory cemented today. also today, an exit from the new york times reporter, maggie haberman's upcoming book appeared in the atlantic, and it contains evidence of donald trump's awareness, of his legal, criminal jeopardy involving documents he took to florida. almost exactly one year ago, on september 16th, 2021, maggie haberman interviewed donald trump for her book, in the atlantic she reports that he demurred when i asked if he had taken any documents of note upon departing the white house. nothing of great urgency, no, he said, before mentioning the letters that kim jong-un had sent to, which it showed off to so many oval office visitors, the advisers were concerned that he was being careless with sensitive material. >> you are able to take those with you?
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i asked. he kept talking, seeming to register my surprise, and said, no, i think that's in the archives, but, most of it is in the archives, but the kim jong-un letters, we have incredible things. >> in that quote as quoted by maggie haberman -- he has kim jong-un's letters with them at home. , and after donald trump notices may hit remains surprise, he backs off, and says no i think that's in the archives, but there's been don't trump, he keeps talking. and he has to boast he says most of it is in the archives. most of it missed of the kim jong-un letters are in the archives? only most? that seems to indicate that
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donald trump knew then in september of 2021, before anything had been returned to the archives, that he knew in that moment at the kim john and letters were supposed to be in the archives, by law. but he just had to post that he had incredible things. most of it is in the archives, but the kim jong-un letters, we have incredible things. indeed, he did have incredible things. on the day donald trump was saying that to maggie haberman, the archives knew that donald trump had the kim jong-un letters, because the archives did not have them, and donald trump, stupidly, had made those letters famous. >> i got a very beautiful letter from kim zhang on, he wrote a beautiful three-page, a really beautiful letter. >> we fell in love, okay.
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he wrote me beautiful letters in and they're great letters, we fell in love. as the first official notice, right there, that the archives, knew that those letters existed. that's how the archives found out they existed. they learned about those letters of the same times we did, went on trump so those idiotic things on television, possibly because they're the only love letters he's ever received. we have incredible things. donald trump, when we are in echo, could not resist boasting to a reporter, that he had the kim jong-un letters, and he did, and in the way that he answered that question, he also made it clear, that he knew the archives was supposed to have those letters by law, he said no, i think that's in the archives. but most of it is in the archives. with the king john and letters, we have incredible things.
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they've been off our discussion tonight, you'll cattle former acting -- badly masses with us, and national security attorney, and then christian are a former federal prosecutor is with us. no cattle, i was struck by the maggie haberman quotes from your go, if there is an audio tape of that, and i'm not, sure if donald trump allows them to take their conversations, but if there is, that is something they can be subpoenaed in this case, but the way it's reported by maggie haberman it appears the donald trump realizes, in mid answer, that he does not have permission to have these. but we know that he does have those at that time. >> exactly, lawrence, a crime requires two things, a bad act,
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and a bad criminal intent. what she is reporting is that there is a bad criminal intent as early as a year ago, september of last year. he knew about those documents and the like. today, we are learning more evidence, because trump turns out to have incredible things, not just in his storage room at mar-a-lago, but at his office in south lawrence. seven top secret documents, 17 other documents, other classified information. if i had seven folders in my justice department office, top secret ones, in my office, i would be in jail. just for having those documents at my office, they need to be in a sensitive compartment informations facility in order to look at those documents. you can't just bring it around, certainly not hear office in
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florida. remember, it's not just that he was found with his documents in those offices. these documents were part of a search warrant that was executed after he had sworn through his lawyers that he had returned everything. this is what they found after that. and so it is obstruction, fall statements, it is so many other things. his lawyers are thick in the middle of it, which makes them a target for the federal investigation, and also opportunities to flip against donald trump himself. >> glenn kirschner, as a former federal prosecutor, what do you see in the maggie haberman interviews, stacking it up with the evidence as we know it? >> i see donald trump making admission after admission, all of which are statements by a party, which is not hearsay. we introduced those kind of statements in criminal prosecutions all the time. i will tell you, as an old
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career prosecutor, a trial guy, i have seen all of donald trump's admissions, like the ones that maggie haberman has made, as evidentiary gold. i keep waiting to see when some prosecutor will be able to plant her feet in the well of a courtroom, and argue to 12 people in the jury box sitting as the conscience of the community, and begin presenting this evidence. there is a prerequisite to us getting to that point. it's an indictment. as neil said, if i had top secret documents, i handled espionage cases, with the tss clearance. i was scared to death i was going to say anything that would inadvertently run afoul the rules that i had to abide by. we would be in jail, lickety-split. i await the department of justice to get to a point where it believes the time is right, because this is only a timing issue.
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>> let me use your federal prosecutor experience working with the fbi and inventories of search wants to get your reaction to the adjustment that they made today in the new version of the inventory they said that judge cannon in the original order for more detailed inventories, they only had one day to do it. this time, they had a lot more time, and in that recount, the big change was that instead of the total number in the first one, which was 48 empty folders marked classified, and now it is 46 empty folders marked classified. what is your reaction to that, with your experience? >> i never tried and error free case. i tried lots of murder cases, rico cases, all in the courts of washington, d. c., both federal and local. i never had an error free investigation, and i never
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tried a case without making a handful of mistakes. i would own them when i made them. i was not at all surprised that with the number and nature of documents, and the kind of search, the far reaching search, there were a lot of hands that went into processing the crime scene. there were also corrections made to what the officers, the agents, the detectives, believed that they seized on the scene. this was par for the course, because this is an human endeavor, that our criminal justice system had. you are going to have mistakes. >> bradley moss, with your experience as a defense council, imagine yourself in the trump lawyers meeting room tonight discussing, what do we say on friday to the question of, what was the evidence that was planted by the fbi during the search? >> sure.
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if i'm those lawyers at this point, assuming that there is some evidence that we don't know about that has somehow not leaked out. the salacious details. they're not going to be able to file anything showing that evidence was planted. what they will try to do is the same thing that they tried to do on the classification side, they are going to try to pivot and kick the can down the road a bit, saying that to the extent that we have all of the information at the moment we do not have anything specific to provide special masters where we reserve the right to supplement any additional information which becomes available that we can provide, so that we cannot rule out that there will be something at a later time. at the moment, we are not obligated to do anything but say, here's what we do know, here's what we don't know yet. >> neal katyal, is it possible for a special master in a situation like this who is obviously taking in what donald trump said on fox two days before he issued that order. is it possible for him to issue some kind of gag order to the
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parties in a case like this? >> it's certainly possible. i think there are so many first in mint interests at the state level, that is not very likely. i think that what judge dearie has done so far the special master is to tell trump that it is time to put up or shut up. we are not going to let you penalty, and serve conspiracy theories without evidence to back up what you are saying. to put it bluntly, the special master has been a nightmare for trump, and the icing on the cake is that trump did it to himself. as a lawyer, lawrence, my first rule, as always, is to be careful what i wish for. be careful what i am asking for on behalf of my clients. trump could have just peddled some absurd theories about the planted evidence, about declassifying in his mind about how the justice department abuses those rights, but he instead insisted on saying all of that, and then asking for a special master.
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now that special master, and the 11 surrogate court of appeals, the second highest court, has blown past all of these trump defenses, saying that this question of classification does not matter, there is no evidence whatsoever for the justice department abusing these rights. and now, for this last piece of the puzzle, is planted evidence that judge dearie is saying, tell me about this in a sworn document. i suspect, as bradley says, they're not going to be able to do that. >> neal katyal, glen gardner, and bradley moss, thank you so much for starting off our discussion tonight. we appreciate it. thank you. now when you are christian settlement, what do you do when you have an idea that is harmful to democracy? what senator sinema did today in a speech in kentucky with her friend mitch mcconnell, was to add something even more harmful to democracy. that is next. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it.
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the parents in the war room. >> kirsten sinema is not one of the parents, and a note to sinema's speech writers, most parents are not open to parenting advice from politicians who are not parents, or politicians period. needless to say, senator sinema's parenting advice was every bit as bad as you would expect from somebody who has no idea what she is talking about. >> those of you that our
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parents in the room no, that the best thing you can do for your child is not give them everything you want, right? that is important to the united states senate as well. we should not get everything that we want in the moment, because later, upon cooler reflection, we recognize that it has gone too far. the importance of the 60 vote threshold is to ensure that nobody gets everything that they want. that you compromise, that you find that middle ground, and by doing so, you are much more likely to pass legislation that stands the test of time. it will not be reversed when the next party gains power. that is the importance of the 60 vote threshold. >> so numbers -- she thinks that the 60 vote threshold ensures that nobody gets everything they want. there is not a single senator
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in the history of the united states senate who has gotten everything that he or she wants, not ever. senator sinema did not give a single example of a bill being passed with less than 60 votes that was then repealed when there is a change in power in congress and the white house. not a single example of her fear, of her theoretical justification for a voting threshold in the senate that was not yet provided for in the constitution, and which defies dock moxie in a -- defies democracy. >> if we were to give into that moment of wanting exactly what you want, the reversal that would come in a year or two years would not only be bad for the american body, it would be bad for businesses, bad for state and local governments. >> well, maybe that is why it doesn't happen. except, of course, for tax
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rates. whenever republicans control congress and the white house, they cut tax rates, and whenever democrats regain control of the congress and the white house, they raise tax rates. it happens, and the country survives. senator sinema was not finished. which he had already said about the 60 vote threshold was indefensible. she has been apparently one of those people who likes to follow the indefensible with the crazy. which, she did. >> not only am i committed to the 60 vote threshold, i have incredibly unpopular views. i actually think we should restore the 60 vote threshold for the areas in which it has been eliminated already. we should restore it. not everybody likes that. because it would make it harder, harder for us to confirm judges, and it would make us harder to confirm executive appointments in each administration. but i believe that if we did
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restore it, we could actually see more of that middle ground in all parts of our governance. that's what i believe our forefathers intended. >> our fourth fathers, and she called, them intended that women never be senators. our forefathers intended that women never have the right to vote. our forefathers did not intend for a place called arizona to be represented in the united states senate, when the founding fathers were writing the constitution, the place we call arizona was spain. and the authors of the constitution expected it to remain spin. in 1821, when mexico secured its independence from spain, the place now called arizona was in mexico. the united states took -- when the united states took that land as the spoils of war, which is how we got arizona, the arizona territory eventually became the 48 states in 1912. pretty late in the game. but that was the same year the
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constitutional amendment finally overruled the founding fathers, and allowed the united states senators to be elected by the voters of the state, instead of the state legislatures, as the founders wanted them to be. and so, if kyrsten sinema really wants to do what she says her for fathers intended, should be working very hard to take the election of senators away from the people who voted for her, and give it back to state legislatures. she would be staunchly opposed to a 60 vote threshold, imposed by the senate, because the office of constitution that she so admires were very specific about the spending conducting all of business by simple majority vote. except for treaties, which they specified in the constitution, which require a two thirds vote in the senate. and conviction and impeachment trials in the senate, which the constitution also specifies require two votes out of three
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in the senate. the number 16 never appears in the constitution, which seems to live in her imagined version of the constitution. the simple majority vote is a dangerous and fickle threshold for governing in a democracy. why should only five members of the united states supreme court get to decide the final interpretation of the law of the land? why doesn't senator sinema advocate a minimum of a six vote threshold in the united states supreme court, instead of a mayor majority. why is the united states of america the only country that has a 60% threshold to win a vote in a national legislative body. senator sinema went to kentucky to deliver that speech at a government funded university, at a place that calls itself
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the mcconnell center. senator mitch mcconnell as effectively purchased the naming rights by delivering federal funding to the university, which of course includes taxpayer money obtained in a much richer state of new york and california. the united states constitution says that the president shall nominate, and with the advice and consent of the senate, shall appoint judges of the supreme court. the constitution does not say that mitch mcconnell shell prevent a nominated supreme court justice from even being considered by the united states senate for its consent as mitch mcconnell did tumeric garland in the last year of the obama presidency. mitch mcconnell did not need 60 votes to do that. today, kyrsten sinema traveled to kentucky to celebrate mitch mcconnell's constitutional vandalism, and her own relentless ignorance. by saying this about mitch mcconnell. >> while we might not agree on every issue, we do share the same values. >> add, after this break we'll be back with the question of what vladimir putin is learning by instituting a draft during an unpopular war.
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american protesters against the war forced congress to end the funding of the war, and forced the republican president to end the war. it took years, but the peace protesters one. the protesters began as the protest to the military draft the ascending unwilling american to nature's to fight and die in a faraway war that made no sense. tonight, russia seems to be experiencing a version of what this country experienced in the 1960s and 1970s, right up until the day when president richard nixon ended the draft in june of 1973. video today shows a gunman opening fire at the draft office in siberia. russian officials report that the gunman seriously injured a recruiting officer before being apprehended. the washington post is reporting that the shooter's mother told local media that her son was upset because his best friend got a mobilization summons, despite never having served in the army.
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they said that there would be partial mobilization, but it turns out that they take everybody. 70 people were reportedly detained in another siberian city after joining hands and singing protest songs. despite facing brutal crackdowns by russian police, protesters have been taken to the streets of moscow, st. petersburg, and many other russian cities. according to the human rights watchdog group, almost 2400 people have been detained for protesting against putin's draft since it was implemented last week. turning now is -- foreign affairs analyst and columnist for the usa today, and the daily beast. he's the host of deep state radio podcast. david, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we have seen the draft in this country during a popularly supported war like world war ii, and we have seen the draft
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during an unpopular war that became increasingly unpopular partially because of the draft of the vietnam war. this has such an eerie sensation for those of us that can remember the draft protests in this country, seeing what is happening in russia tonight. >> except it's much worse in russia. we are struggling in a standoff in russia we were setting them off well equipped and the number of soldiers that we set off was smaller than the number that the russians had sent off. what putin is seeing here for the first time is a mass reaction to his policy to support of his war is going very badly. and when you think about, it you can say that these 300,000 people that they are calling up, and that they are going to sell off an equipped and badly
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trained, there are going to -- their going to go back to their families. the families are going to see them come back wounded and dead, and that is going to spread the kind of unrest the putin has never seen in the entire time that he has been the leader of russia. >> and the death toll for the russian military, in ukraine, is already a matter of months of what it took us 14 years to -- the american number in vietnam got up to 55, 000, and it took 14 years for that. >> right, and they had an experience in afghanistan when they had over ten years, a substantial death toll that helped lead to the fall of the soviet union. in a few months since this war began, that has been exceeded dramatically, about 250,000 troops that these sent in, which was the vast majority of their standing army. the estimate is that 75 to 80,000 have either been killed or wounded, which is
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catastrophic. that is a third of the army, and if anything like that happens to these new troops going in, putin has got to be sitting on top of the political volcano. >> david, we have been wondering, with the putin control of news media in russia, what did the russian people know? what do they think about this? are these protests telling us, some of what they think about it. we don't have a real sense of the percentage of the country, but until now, we didn't know that there are this many people who seemed to be well informed about what is going on there. >> that is right, because they can't get total control, particularly with the information age. you have also seen popular russian performers, and singers start to speak out against the war. russian figures have a very high profile, and so when they
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speak, that has a lot of impacts across the society. we have seen business leader start to feel the squeeze from the sanctions, and the question for the u.s. government officials, the real question is at what point does this pressure begin to motivate putin's security services, and the question is leadership decisions. >> david, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, why did florida's governor ron desantis use florida state funding to fly venezuelan refugees from texas to martha's vineyard after lying to them that the tiny island whose economy closes down on labor day would have jobs for them? the attorney who has filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of those refugees against ron desantis will join us next.
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desantis has a migrant problem. the problem is that he does not really have a migrant problem. which, as he reportedly told republican donors, is a competitive disadvantage, should he find himself in a republican presidential primary against governor greg abbott. in order to appeal to republican voters, desantis has to get himself into the trump zone on immigration, and so he had 50 venezuelan refugees flown from texas to martha's vineyard, where he promised them that there would be jobs and other financial support for
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them. ron desantis is now facing a class action lawsuit for violating the civil rights of those victims, with that stump. the lawsuit alleges that ron desantis designed and carried out in illegitimate and -- exploiting this vulnerability for the sole purpose of advancing their own personal, financial, and political interests. jose, one of the interest -- deceived and advantage by rod -- told the washington post, i tell you how i felt i want to cry. i felt destroyed inside, tricked, frightened. i did not know if they were going to put me in jail if they deport me. i just wanted to get to philadelphia. i don't like the way they treated us, we are human beings. joining us now is litigation director for lawyers for civil rights. he is representing some of the
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people who are now suing governor desantis in a federal class action lawsuit. thank you very much for joining us tonight. one of the things that struck me about this from the start is this fake phony plan flip that they gave these people, telling that they would be taken care of, there would be jobs, there will be food, support for them in every way. and that is at a place that really closes down, just about completely closes down by labor day, because it is a summer resort. the population disappears there, the jobs disappear there, and ron desantis knows that. just as there is seasonal work in florida, there is seasonal work, and seasonal opportunity and martha's vineyard. he was sending them precisely at the moment where all of the opportunity disappears. what is your a lawsuit alleging, and what does it hope to achieve? >> well, what our lawsuit
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alleges is that there was a concerted scheme of misrepresentation, which induced our clients to lie. as you pointed out, this is not about a humanitarian effort to try to get people to where they wanted to go, this was about a political stunt that ron desantis was trying to pull. he was using our clients as political crops, making all kinds of representations about what jobs would be available at the destination, and how they would be looked after, how their children would be getting educational opportunities. and it turns out, it was all just a political stunt. >> these republican governors want to pretend that the democratic run states do not actually face any of these challenges, when in fact the state that has the largest number of people coming in is california, democratic states. currently in california, they have 125,000 asylum hearings that are pending in texas. they have 75,000. a dramatically smaller number in texas then in california, or new york, which has 98,000 of
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these cases pending in their courts. what is your experience with the distribution of these kinds of issues around the country? >> certainly, there are pockets all over the country that have substantial immigrant populations. martha's vineyard itself, although it has been painted as being largely white, largely wealthy enclave, it's quite diverse. and so again, this was not about helping people, and helping people to get where they needed to go. it was about trying to make a political point trying to use our clients as props.
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that's why people across the political spectrum have objectionable about this conduct. >> the other pressures involved here rhonda scientists has not done it again. we will see what happens next. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> tonight's last word is next. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. now, skyrizi helps me get going by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after two starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation
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you'll ever have. it is a job filled with permanent jet like from constant international travel and and this worries. about the state of the world. last week, wasn't especially intense week for secretary of state, anthony blinken. i did not nation generous amberley meeting all week, in new york. where secretary blinken spent the week. meeting with foreign ministers, prime ministers, and presidents from around the world. on thursday, he was scheduled non stop for 14 hours, beginning with an atm meeting with five foreign ministers. right through a working dinner scheduled for 7:45 pm on transatlantic issues. while secretary blinken was doing all of that on thursday, trying to hold together and encourage allies who support ukraine's existence to the russian invasion of their country. antony blinken's father died, and he whose father came to the country from ukraine died at
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the age of 96. >> your father was u.s. ambassador to hungry, and as we sit here on friday afternoon, he passed away last night. i wonder why you decided to keep such a busy schedule, the day after that tragedy and your family. >> my dad was 96 years old. he was, in so many ways, my role model. he built a remarkable business one of the leading investment banks in this country, over many years. he led a life of dignity, of decency, of honesty, that is something that i have pretty much aspired to. i guess that i thought i was honoring everything that he shared with me, and the best way to do that was to continue doing my job. >> secretary of state antony blinken, honoring his father. the honorable donald blinken,
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by continuing to do his job, anthony blinken gets tonight's last word, the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now. tonight, the january 6th committee committee is days from a new hearing, and we have new hearing video of a trump ally calling for violence, he said it was only a joke. plus, an abortion ban from the air 1800s is now the lava landon arizona. the chaos and confusion, as doctors unsure of how to care for their patients. then, in a matter of hours, the head of the radical oath keepers is in court facing seditious conspiracy charges, his former spokesperson is here with a warning about the danger from extremist groups in this