good morning, welcome to the cross connection and right now south carolina isn't its first full day of recovery, hurricane ian made its second landfall as category one storm yesterday, they storm surge brought several feet of intense flooding is damaged and destroyed four patient fears. fishing fairs across the south carolina coast, including this one that you see near north myrtle beach. now, tens of thousands of south carolina residents still remain without power this with a post-tropical cyclone, and is pushing north the national hurricane center warns that record flooding will continue through next week in florida. now, that state is on its third day of recovery from eons destruction. homes have been leveled with entire neighborhoods wiped out. here are some of the residents explaining the nightmare that they have been through. >> i watched my house disappear.

right before my eyes, we will see where we can go from here because there is no moving back in, this is all we had. >> this is everything i worked for. >> i think i have lost everything i own,, my family and i are safe and we will worry about all that other stuff later. >> according to nbc they have claimed vilest 34 laps in for the admirable are still unaccounted for, first responders are busy trying to reach those left stranded, stranded by the coast guard on santa belle island, cut off from the mainland. president biden but -- joining me from charleston, south carolina, but emily, what is the latest, what are you hearing?

>> 70, behind me they sights and sounds, and you're very welcome probably here of cleanup efforts are playing out here in charleston, all along south carolina's coastline, after many trees like this one were knocked down by hurricane-force winds, sustained winds around 85 miles per hour, gusts topping 95 miles per hour, will it just uprooting hundreds of trays according to state officials and power lines with it, this morning nearly 16,000 residents are still without power. that is just a fraction of those who went to sleep in the dark last night. nearly 200,000 reportedly without power. and, while the wind certainly brought a life-threatening and dangerous risk, the biggest threat was storm surge. some 5 to 6 feet of storm surge was recorded and water is, in general, just a really big threat when it comes to south carolina's coastline.

charleston, consider its geography it is low, it is flat, it is surrounded by water between the atlantic ocean and the waterways throughout this area. it does not take much for the city to flood, i spoke with residents as it was moving in yesterday, take a listen. >> what do you think the best bet for charleston as? >> what are, the surge, but there's nothing you can do when the water comes up, if it's at hitting high there is the problem. >> overnight, much of that water receded in south carolina's coastal communities, clearing the way for cleanup efforts like this one behind me to kick into high gear. >> speaking about that 5 to 6 foot storm surge, that is devastating. now, you know, south carolina is no stranger to powerful storms. being on the ground, how does and convince pair to the other centers that have hit that state? >> yes, the last hurricane that

made landfall in south carolina was six years ago in 2016, hurricane matthew. people had different impressions of ian's wrath, depending where along the coastline they set. here, in charleston, lot of people felt like they dodged the worst-case scenario because high tide did not overlap with the peak of the storm, as was initially anticipated. but, speaking of folks back in the myrtle beach area, some people say it was the worst storm they have ever experienced. as you mentioned, that storm surge was 5 to 6 faith. that rival some of south carolina's most powerful storms in the history of the state. so, as ian continues to push northward and inland as a post-tropical cyclone, behind it it leaves a path of destruction that will, for sure, require robust cleanup efforts. >> yes, and as you talked about, all of those residents without power, thank you, we appreciate it. i want to bring in from fort myers beach, florida, blaine alexander. she is an nbc news correspondent, plain, good to

have you on the show. fort myers was one of the hardest hit areas in florida. what are the conditions like right there, right now, where you are? >> well, just standing where we are right now, 70, this gives you a good indication of what we are seeing as you get closer to the beach, as we get closer to this kind of strip. that is, just sheer examples of eons strength, right here, behind me, this used to be a marina shop. this was a place where people could come, rent voting equipment and kayaks to go out and enjoy the water sports, but you see what it has left behind of this, and when you look up and down the strip you see much more of the same. in fact, i spoke with one person who owns a place behind me, he said that quite frankly did not expect it to be as powerful as it was. they thought they could kind of anchored on their kayaks and button things up very tightly. he said he spent the better part of yesterday morning trying to take those kayaks out, who ended up somewhere several roads away.

this is the worst of the damage but as you go further inland you see a number of snap polls, power poles, you see signs that were blown over. you see a lot of damage inland as well. the other thing you cannot really see, tiffany, is the fact that resources. there is no water running water here, there is not electricity for the vast majority of the people here, that makes it even more difficult as people try to sift through their belongings and take next steps, here. >> yes, it is hard to imagine waking up with no running water, no electricity, as you are talking we are seeing aerial shots of some of the damage and boats literally washed ashore. considering what folks are going through without running water and electricity, one of the residents saying to you on the ground? >> well, you know, i also want to paint the picture for you that it is going to be 80 degrees today, we are talking about 80 plus degree days out here, we are not talking about comfortable conditions, and there are a lot of elderly people. florida has one of the highest population of elderly people in the country, so when you talk about those basic resources, it really is a priority to get

this back on. it does become dangerous. now, i spoke with some people yesterday who were coming back and saying the statement for the very first time. i talked to one woman, she and her husband were walking to their nephews vote shop that is not too far away from where i am standing. he told her the whole thing was underwater, there is not much to salvage. here's what she told me about what you saw, take a look. >> they to talk some, down to keep them in place, but that did not work, the storm was too powerful. as you can see, the boats are up and over the, road over the fence. >> she is talking about the bullets they lost, as well, really, that just example of what we are seeing. the other thing is very important to point out is, while some people are coming back and surveying the damage, and looking in the rearview mirror, there is still a very strong sense of urgency for a lot of people. you have santa belle island, of course, they were doing as evacuations yesterday. there is another island you have not heard much about, pine island is not too far away from here and that is another island

that has been completely cut off. in fact, i have a friend who has somebody there who is just sending out texts, that is what she was were sorted to at this point. we are not getting much attention, we hear these military aircraft flying overhead. we know where they are going but we cannot get any sort of help or resources, here, to help get us off the island as well. so, for many of those people it is still a very desperate situation as they wait for help their, tiffany. >> yes, that sounds very reminiscent of another storm, people on the rooftops saying please help us during katrina. please keep us updated, especially because they are cut off on the mainland and saying they are not getting a lot of resources, we appreciate you being on ground and we will definitely check in with you, thank you so much, blayne alexander. coming up, as recovery efforts continue, food and clean water have become a real issue. the nations are stepping up their response to help feed the many people who are dealing with it. a lot of loss happening in florida, i will talk to people helping our ground, where after this break. do not go anywhere, we have a

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mark on for that will be felt for many years to come, as we saw that last, segment and it's a 40, year 1.4 million floridians are still without power, many do not have access to clean drinking water and other basic needs. help has arrived though, somehow, one of the leading hunger relief organizations in south florida, they're preparing 3000 meals a day to get food and drinking water to the most affected areas. joining me now is that group from pembroke park, florida. it is the ceo of feeding south florida. top, oh thanks so much for being, here and thanks for the work that you're doing. you organization was on the ground in florida, shipping and preparing meals. what are those areas that need the most help and how is your team keeping up with the demand. >> tiffany, thank you so much

for having us. as you know, west florida was impacted pretty hard. we servicing a surface area of the keys as well as south miami-dade, but we are working with our state association, florida, and her sister food banks around tampa and and central florida as well as feeding america. we recording if it's across 200 feet banks to try to bring out race horses, not just food, not just water, but also equipments and staff so that we can come in and provide a coordinated effort of surface to those families who are serving. >> and my colleague talked to someone last hour who was saying he had taken a shower in three days due to a lack of running water. the need is massive as we know. i know it could be very difficult to transport food and drinking water with roads flooded, basically the infrastructure destroyed on their, but how are you and your team getting people to help the need given that the infrastructure is pretty bad. >> fortunately, the highways

are open. we are with the ship product across 75, which is alligator alley over to the west coast and since we are part of the florida network in the state response we are allowed to be on the roads and allowed to deliver it where it needs to go. the biggest things about courting these efforts to make sure that we are not duplicating efforts and more importantly, not leaving people out. we want to be sure that everybody is getting service and we are able to get our trucks, we can't take the big trucks, or taking some smart 36 foot trucks and giving them food and water, much-needed food and water, and pretty soon bring them out to the west coast. >> well you know, experts a is going to take a lot of time to fully assess the damage from the hurricane and we're showing the aerial shots of what's going on the ground there in florida, it looks pretty bad. and that's going to prolong the timeline for recovery. is your group prepared for a long term food insecurity, and if, so how are you preparing

for that long to food and security. >> or network is nimble, we are strong, and this is what we do. we can pivot on a dime and make sure that we are serving those who are affected. one of, the things we are anticipating is some of the folks being transported over to the east coast, being set up in temporary shelters whether it is in hotels are the places, because there's nowhere for them to stay on the west coast, especially since most everything was either flooded or torn apart. we are absolutely prepared as a network and as a food bank to serve those communities, as well as served with families that come over on the side. we are evacuating them. >> enough you heard my colleague in the last segment, but she talked about folks on pine island say that they're not getting enough resources in their desperate and they are sending tax. that is not -- colors to the mainland. is your group able to do anything for folks around the mainland? i know the highways are open, but i let the people on the

island. is there anybody able to reach them that you know if. >> we are working closely with the eoc and them urgency operations center and those are the folks assessing the damage there primary focus right now is life-saving. they focused about doing it that families over to the transportation, and there's no bridge to go across the pine island. it's so fleeting it those folks on the mainland and get them the food and water that they desperately need. >> well absolutely. and the work that you've been doing is very impressive, taco, and thank you for being on the ground there and we will certainly check back in with you to see how these recovery efforts are going. thank you for being with us, tako villas. complete on the cross connection, we have to get left behind during hurricanes, it were to talk about the effort to rescue our furry babies in the next hour. because pets matter to. but first, ginni thomas, yes

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frail housewife of election lives made a in appearance on capitol hill. wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas was interviewed for five hours on thursday and according to the committee chair she still falsely claimed the 2020 election was stolen. we were supposed to have the potentially last january 6th public hearing this week, but it was postponed due to hurricane, there's really no word on when it will be rescheduled. we will keep an eye on it. joining me now is glenn kershner, a former federal prosecutor, and an msnbc legal analyst. glenn, so happy to have you here. i really can't wait to talk to about ginni thomas. she claims her efforts to over

come the election never came up in conversation with her husband. let me be the first to say, you don't believe you. who believes that they were talking about. this what is your take? >> extremely hard to believe, tiffany, particularly when she was texting mark meadows in the context of urging him to contest in overturn the results of the presidential election, and this very tax, she was talking about the conversations i'm having with my quote best friend, reporting that is determined to describe her husband supreme court justice clarence thomas. do any of us believe that she was not involved in conversations with her best friend, her husband, about our efforts to overturn the election, very hard to believe as their objective proof that can be introduced to the january six committee that she was lying about that? maybe, maybe not. what i will say tiffany, there

is proof that i think puts the lie to her statements to the j six committee about her claim that the election was stolen. >> clearly i think would be interesting is to hear from jordan peele's character inspiration forget out is justin's clarence thomas himself. what's the legal precedent having him testify before the january six committee. he certainly would be able to offer some insight here. and then we could get into areas because they're married, so no he would be able to offer testimony against his spouse, how will that work? >> different jurisdictions have different spousal privileges in place. most of them guard against courts or governments ever being able to compel somebody to testify about private communications between two spouses. i think it is very unlikely that clarence thomas will ever testify before the january six

committee, i think judy thomas knew that, which is why when i was listening to the accounts of what she said, she very much was acting like a shill or a flap for her husband, making all these claims. we never discussed, it we had a strong policy against ever discussing these kinds of things, including pending cases. we believe any of that, not necessarily. >> but with the j six committee go about the investigative work of trying to put the lie to anything to thomas said, i think that is unlikely. >> let's take a listen to what the chair of that committee, congressman benny thompson had to say about the testimony, we will talk about on the other side. >> she expressed her belief that the election was stolen, did she believe that? >> yes. >> can you characterize what she is not answering, what she is refusing to answer? >> now. >> so you're saying she still

believe the 2020 election was stolen. >> this is a clear and present danger to the court in my opinion. even elections and i are married to supreme court justice, my question would be, what influence does she have over other pending cases if she's clearly still delusional enough to spout the same answers that represent the maga cult after they pull a fatal political temperate -- temperate interim on capitol hill that saturday. is there any potential she could be held accountable to what she had done to overthrow the u.s. government. >> let's hope the department justice and not just the j 6th committee is digging into precisely that question. tiffany, and using that power of the grand jury to investigate that. what i can say, hard on record saying, ginni thomas lied when she said the election was stolen. that is not a fact, base

position that anybody can take and for goodness sake, she's married to a judge. 65 judges, some of whom were appointed by donald trump, ruled that there was no fraud impacting the 2020 presidential election and apparently, she takes the position that all 65 judges left right and center, we are wrong. and bill barr was wrong, i really like to quote bill barr as the authority on anything, but bill barr was wrong when he said there was no systematic fraud undermining the election results. and donald trump's other high government officials who told us that this was the safest and most secure election in american history, they were all wrong. ginni thomas tells us she is the one who's right in the election was stolen. and when you tell congress or congressional investigators wise, whether or not they are under oath, that can serve as the basis of a criminal

offense. >> you're absolutely, right and i just want to ask you really quickly, before we ran a time about the mar-a-lago case. because, the woman who appointed the special master, remain diary, overruled in said that trump does not need to submit a sworn statement identifying evidence he believes the fbi planted in his home. i want to get your take on that really quickly. >> if judge cannon's goal was to prove that she is the -- not particularly qualified to serve our federal judge and bias towards donald trump, because by her ruling, telling donald trump they don't have to put up in judge dearie perhaps, you should shut up in trying to shut rules that you need to have an order to conduct a full and fair informed if you have these records and she has shown herself to be unworthy of wearing that black robe in my opinion. >> well you will definitely keep our eye on the mini legal

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midterms, we were chatting before you got back, republicans are resorting to the tried and true method of fearmongering in race baiting by focusing on crime. take a listen >> mandela barnes, who are your heroes? >> people like ex all of sandra ocasio-cortez, jan omar, they support ending cash bail putting comes back on the street. so his mandela barnes. he wrote the bill and said the courts cannot rely on that nature, number, and gravity of crimes to keep going behind bars, and releasing dangerous criminals into our communities, middle barnes, a different democrat, a dangerous democrat >> a different kind of democrat. but will they absolutely saying is that middle barnes was be wisconsin's first black senator. it's not necessarily a dog whistle we hear, that's our likable foreign to me. and joining me now, we were already the conversation, texas state representative, civil rights attorney, and candidate for congress jasmine crockett,

and lucy caldwell, both here with me on set. i'm really happy to have you ladies. here new york times keeps pointing out that republicans are intensifying, the focus on crime and public safety, but they're vague on specific policy details and they see the issue as when they can motivate their conservative base. i was curious but the idea of fear, lawlessness, work for the gop, especially considering lucy, they are committing actual crimes that we see playing out before the country right now. i think they keep playing january six video and all the denier bs on a loop long after the midterms to remind people who the crime committed. are >> i think that's true. i think one of the reasons why the crime issue is the one that they are clinging to, it is one weather is real or not, but perception is reality for voters. it is something that people feel in their communities. people in the communities don't feel january six. they don't feel the threat to our democracy.

and isn't a big element in the room for the republicans of the midterms, which is the abortion issue, which they are all running away from as fast as they can. why is that issue so potent? who has an issue so powerful for non trump candidates? as potent as it resonates with peoples lived experiences. i would say that republicans pivot to crime whether genuine or not, as an attempt to react to that potency so that they can say hey, we too are trying to talk about an issue that affects her daily lives. >> that's a really good point, this is why love having you on the show. that i think those of us in the beltway, we consume the minutiae of it all the time. we read five and six papers every morning. but when you're home with their coffee in the family unit talking about january 6th. so what do you think will happen in the midterms jasmine, because you're not to call you congresswoman, bakari jasmin as long as i can. when you think is going to happen with this? will these bullhorn racist attack ads type of things work?

these quite honestly, there have been a spike in homicides, that's not the new democratic policies of, course and certainly mandela barnes is not responsible for any such thing, but will that work with the republican voter base? >> i think there's absolutely a possibility. we see republicans go after fear instead of going after facts. but the reality is that he is running against an incumbent. if i'm an income, but when i go out and tell you about my record,, we want to tell you about how i have major life better. but he can't speak to that it's all you can do is attack. we have seen that the polls are tightening. is the misinformation that really frustrates me, as somebody that actually practices criminal defense as well. ron johnson knows that we are not the ones who are dealing with local police, that's not what we do in the federal level. and there's been a lot of talk in wisconsin about mandela and saying defund the police, as always he's attacks, they're saying, hey we knew all run, don't say, it but the react -- reality is that it was so proud

of octave, but to be clear, black people want law enforcement in their communities. when they call 9-1-1, they want them to show. up a lot of, times it's the black news weather not showing. up one of the reasons why they may not be showing up because they don't look at this as priority calls and having to prioritize their calls because on force was playing a catcher. law enforcement is playing social worker, so they're not wanting to talk about what defund was about, which was always about making sure -- it was supporting one forces because they signed up, they signed up to protect and serve, and not to do all of these are the jobs. it is about efficiency. >> defund the police is not a democratic political policy. and it is a reallocation of funds. when you say black people want law enforcement, yes, but they also don't want to call law enforcement to become a victim of law enforcement. >> lucy, i want to ask, cute because you called up abortion, but the whole republican talking point before, it was inflation, the economy, gas prices are going, down and you

have to switch really quickly to crime and so i'm quickly curious about the voting bloc of white women before when you have abortion crime on the ballot. welty these issues speak to that massive voting bloc. what do you think they will fall this fall. >> i think a lot of change for white women, at the point that we're in an argument about the particulars about what the defund police was, or wasn't, you are losing the argument with voters because then you're getting into white paper-style top. and i may keep you safe, here's what i am to about, it the part of keeping you safe keeping our access to health care, right? which is access to emergency contraception. access to planned parenthood and services like that. and greg abbott was asked about abortion and as an emergency contraception. he pivoted by emergency contraception. ladies, you don't even know yet if your pregnant.

we're gonna see contraception in the case of a rape, right? and his answer was that women taxes should feel free to take advantage of baby help services. so, i think as long as democrats can keep surfacing both stories, put republicans on record saying things that are completely insane, i actually think that the reproductive rights issue could really win the day for women voters. i could be wrong, it is a help. >> i want to show, look quickly, just to remind voters that i told a group of young women i want to be the brown murphy brown when i was younger. and so i realized, it's really important, that some people who are not enough to remember, i wanna remind our viewers and take a look at the willie horton at and you will see why we are saying willie horton two point oh. take a look and we will talk about it after. >> push into caucus on crime. which supports the death penalty for first degree

murderers, dukakis not only opposes the death penalty, but he allowed first degree murder and have weakened passes from prison. one was really horton, who murdered a boy in robbery, stabbing him 19 times. despite a life sentence, torturous eve ten weaken passes from prison. important fled, cannot to uncouple, stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend. we can present process, dukakis on crime. >> so we remember when this ad played out and it was clearly the playing on the racism that existed in america. and so as we are debating, and i think he made a good point about defund the police and how people process that, but they were debating these nuances, very nuanced points and i am curious, in your state of texas, that we just talked about, that abbott embattled faced off last night and the date bait last night and i am curious that in

texas, it's going to be a purple state, we've yet to see that. i'm curious how that might play out in your neck of the woods. >> we have blue. i do want to be clear. i actually believe that we are blue. i think that the republicans know that we are blue, obviously, -- >> hasn't played out that way though. >> it hasn't played out that way, but that's why when we decided that we are going to allow to move to the state house, we need to put out once you, all we need to do whatever takes. we're gonna session after session because they need to make sure they made voting even more difficult. texas is a majority minority state. it looks a lot like california when you look at the demographics, and that is what is scary. it's out there trying to make sure that there are some people who can vote, and i know that our governor, he refuses to do more than one debate, in this debate, he refuses to have an audience. an audience of texans in south texas, where they really assumed that they have a chance. this really should have been a crowd that would be excited to see the governor. he lacks courage and he lies. we saw that he lied on the

mayor of new york, and they came, back and they clapped back immediately on twitter. we also saw was idiotic responses as it relates to re-pro. they have no response because he was leading the charge and saying, hey let's make sure there's no exceptions, and other are members and in fact the speaker the house keeps saying, you know what, we may look at -- we may be coming up with some exceptions, but we talked with you all about this before. >> i'm gonna ask you quickly, we're out of time, but i got you get your opinion on this. florida, marco rubio who has become a trump acolyte who is eating and helping, he has been silent on the election lies mostly he is painting val demings, his opponents in the senate as being anti-law enforcement. he, has she only used to be chief of police in orlando. is that going to work in florida. >> florida, look, i'm not going to think about florida -- >> florida is anyone's guess, but i do think, and we've seen races like that of the country,

but i do think that it is clear it is a clown show when literally you are acting as though a former police chief as anti law enforcement. rubio's going to pull out all of the -- we hope not. that is a tight race >> elected clown in 2016 and we've been at the circus ever since. thank you guys for being here, we're so ready that we started before the show even started. happen if you guys onset, thank you so much texas state representatives jasmine crockett and lucy caldwell. and in our next hour of cross connection lookalike to some of the efforts hardest by hurricane ian to check in on relief and recovery efforts. but first, back in d.c., if you don't, well it's a congressional black caucus foundations annual legislative conference. is taking off and this is why i'm so tired this morning, was a late night, and we're gonna talk to congressman jamal bowman about black engagement over this midterm engagement with this whole conferences about. stay with us.

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until one of the most important midterm elections in this country's ever seen. several groups are doing all they can to get voters to the polls. including the congressional black caucus. the congressional black caucus foundation kicked off its annual 51st legislative conference in washington d.c. this week. give our, ben you know what a good time it, is but there's also a lot of work that happens or to. we're gonna get into some of that. join me now as new york congressman jamal bowman, these are with onset, and very very tight to have you here, we are just talking about it, i'm exhausted this morning from hanging out last night, in the annual legislative conference is always such a huge beer -- deal and if you look vote -- if you rank them from dope islamist, if c is pretty high up, there but there's a lot of work happens, here and it is a fund-raiser for what happens here, it's not tell folks about what happens with the conference.

>> first of, all very rarely get to be around a bunch of black folk for series of several days, not just having fun during the evenings, but also going to serious panel discussions, where shops, and talking about the issues that impact our communities first and foremost. so there have been workshops on reparations and conferences in discussions about that, we've talked about black healing and black mental health, and black health and wellness overall and there's also been conversations about hip-hop in politics, and the conversation i've been a part of. >> and we recently introduced the rap act. >> which is restoring the artists production act. we introduced it at the federal level, california just passed a law to make sure rapidly armies to prosecute people because what we've seen as a people targeting wrap, they're trying to wrap, lyrics without any other evidence whatsoever, as another reason to throw black folks in jail, which is completely unacceptable, that's

part of it, and the other part of it is that hip-hop has -- it's time for a pop to recognize his political power. we're talking a culture that is millions of fans with thousands of artists and people working in the industry, but do we have a political action committee could use its power to leverage congress to do what is right for the hip-hop community? that is what i want to see in terms of taking the next up on that political issue. >> want to talk about that too, because i had dinner with a friend of mine, he was saying that there is a disconnect because you are here in d.c., everybody so important, and you are talking to members of congress, and administration officials, and there's a disconnect between your conversations and what is happening out here in the streets. so what do we do to bridge that gap, i feel not all disconnected from the streets, but some people feel like politics and policy does not impact, me when i look to the congressional caucus to do something, were they doing? are they supporting the. i would try to explain what they're doing, but maybe you can do a better job. >> we need to be out there in

the streets. when the reasons why i always mention yonkers, mount vernon, the bronx, in new rochelle when i go on mainstream media, is because i want people in my district to recognize that there are black folk in my district who are having been historically struggling. and so i have a point to go into the projects into the black community to really listen and learn and plus there are these committees that i come from and i have to also mention this about this particular legislative caucus -- conference, that you just made. there is classism on the black community. we need to talk about the classes in the black community, and we need to address it head on. just because i got degrees, i go to a certain church, i'm a part of a certain fraternity, what went to an ivy league or private school, it doesn't make me elitist. it doesn't make me more privilege as someone that can look down upon our people because our people still are suffering and if we don't uplift, and they will never be uplifted. and we have to deal with the issue of classism, in one way

if we may want to change the dress code a little bit, because i would see brothers and sisters in the who've never been to this congress before, we need to bring them to the conference. >> i think it would make such a difference because of the streets of fear that congress comes to, then they come to congress. and your big enough voting bloc and large enough to count have your power. >> we need to be powerful as black people. the cbc is incredibly powerful. once we start to leverage that, we can help this country become what we need it to. >> -- so people like the professional black caucus settles everything for black people, but a lot of members represent districts, the majority whites, even but there's a caucus fills in the gaps and the conscience of the congress as they are affectionately known. >> yes, we should be focused on black issues absolutely, but you have to first be responsive to what is going on in your district. and so you have to serve your constituents, to the best of your ability and we also have to keep an eye out and what's

happening collectively across the country with black people. we're not dealing with real criminal justice reform, eventually with real economic empowerment, for not giving real reparations or talk about them on this real, way day-by-day, not just at the conference, every single day, we're gonna continue to push our people away and march. >> really quickly, before we, leave i want to ask, you my friend, the support to me along. the responses were hilarious, but i think it is sometimes that black women don't see black men and take the initiative and say, hey i'm going to stand up for you to say something, i've been arrested by actually before. but i wanted you to get a chance to say anything that you want to >> first of, all black twitter is undefeated. it was like a public roasting, which is what happens that cookouts and our committees all the time. and so it was all good, and my favorite was steph curry sitting on the moon shooting a shot to the earth. that was hilarious. but he along, she is culture.

i grew up with me along, she was in friday, she was in boys in the hood, love jones, and so if the culture is going to interact with nia long, we're gonna come up. that's about uplifting black women, without treating our shot. >> i'm happily married. >> i'm a standing member of congress, i want to shoot my shot off twitter? come on. >> but there's a laugh anyway, black twitter, we appreciate it. and i'm out about before the conferences, over thank you so much to congressman jamal bowman, he will be back on the cross connection. new details on the devastation from hurricane and what this powerful storm is telling us about climate change. we'll also discuss the right-wing challenges for thousands of voter registrations, and they are trying it. so with, us as much more coming up in the next hour of cross connection. ection s got double pepper jack and juicy steak. let's get some more analysis on that, chuck. mmm. pepper jack. tender steak.

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connection, exactly, cross we begin this hour with the latest on the destruction left behind by hurricane ian. the storm is now over north carolina has been downgraded to a post-tropical cyclone. that is not before it left streets flooded in thousands without power in south carolina. now florida is reeling from the worst of it, three days after in barreled through the state as a record category four hurricane. and this new video comes, and

we are giving a clear picture of the destruction that we see on your screen, there are areas in florida that remain underwater, with roads and neighborhoods left to rubble as you see. according to nbc's, count the death toll has suddenly risen to 34 people, that's just in florida. governor ron desantis has said that there are roughly 10,000 people unaccounted for. we will go to for adjustment, but join me for us from south carolina, it is in really a heater. she's an nbc news correspondent, emily thank you for being back with. us are residents of south carolina at now in the clear? >> stephanie, you bring up an important point. while the skies have cleared, the threats have not. something officials are really urging residents to keep in mind. thousands, who nearly 60,000 south carolinians in the dark still without power after hurricane-force winds tackled hundreds of trees in south carolina, like the one behind, me bringing down power lines with it. still today, there is a

continued risk for more trees to fall because of how saturated these grounds are. more than seven inches of rain pummeled charleston here, within 24 hour period. it is upwards of ten inches of rain, in other parts of south carolina's coastal communities. and so we saw immense flooding as hurricane ian crashed into south carolina's coastline, and some of that water still remains, although a lot of it has receded overnight. so officials are reminding people, it is important, if you see flooded roadways, to avoid them with six inches of staining water, that could stall out a vehicle. and this is all as ian pushes inland and northward. now, as a post-tropical cyclone. tiffany? >> the hurricane made landfall just north of you in georgetown, south carolina, and so what does the destruction there look like? >> and just 60 miles from, here they saw the brunt of the storm in the biggest threat was

absolutely the storm surge. 5 to 6 feet of storm surge, and in that water, it transformed roadways into waterways, neighborhoods into, lakes and it led to some pretty harrowing rescues, crews in police rescuing people from motels, and residences as waters quickly closed in. i spoke with one woman who lived in myrtle beach on the shoreline, and she saw and witnessed a shrimp boat washed ashore just outside of our doorstep. she says it was one of the worst storm she is ever witnessed. take a listen here. >> this is the worse it has been. i've never seen one like this. >> and stephanie, this was the first hurricane to make landfall in the state of south carolina, since 2016. back to you. >> wow, thank you so much and leah kara, my apologies, i mispronounce your name earlier, but thank you so much, emily joining now from fort myers beach florida steve patterson. is nbc news correspondent.

thanks for being with us stephen so what are the conditions like where you are and have you been able to contact anyone who is separated from the mainland yet? >> tiffany, it is horrible. you're talking about essentially this entire town, or a large swath of it, a wasteland. a homes disintegrated, cars completely gone, the earth unearthed. asphalt and concrete removed from the ground. i met him arena right, now the entire dock system is destroyed, there are boats that should be in the water on my right, in the road on my left. and you may be able to see what's happening behind, me this structure is gone. the only thing standing on in that second floor is the bathroom, sheets of metal have come down, and they are now going to shift through some of the wreckage, these are the sites that we are starting to see all over this town, but it is very slow going for a number of reasons. one, as you made reference, to there is still a search and rescue operation going on with us. those islands just over the channel, sanibel island's of

course has people who are stranded there, and some of those residents chose to stay. that means that it's only accessible by helicopter and by boat, and so they will have to keep running supplies back to those folks as well. i've not been able to talk to them because there is no way to get over there that i have at this point. but i understand the situation is pretty grim because you have shelter that is gone, you've no power, and it is very difficult to get supplies over there. meanwhile, there is no running water in this area as well. there are about ten hospitals that are thinking about transferring if not the entirety of all their, patience and at least some of their patients including one hospital that i know they had to basically evacuate little infant babies that have to be transferred to somewhere else as well. and in the power situation, still about 1.2, 1.3 million people in the state with no power. but there are people on the ground trying to help, and not too long ago, i spoke with jose andrés, you may know him and

his organization goes basically to every disaster handing out food and trying to do their best to help people but this is what he told me about the situation, listen to this. >> we're gonna keep expanding, the operation in reach out to more communities after the -- the four is when we really find access to food in some areas, they are separate from the mainland, like sanibel island, and that is why it is the first place that we go. >> so i have not been able to speak to people on those islands, but jose has, and he says that the situation of course is dire. and meanwhile, you see the scenes, here they are starting, just starting to sift through some of the wreckage. but, this as it's been described to me, will be a marathon and not a separate. we're talking days if not weeks, if not years before this looks anything like it did before. tiffany? >> all right, thank you so much steve patterson for being down

there, and keep us posted, stay safe. i wanna bring in meteorologist semi theodore. she's joining us to tell us lives on the storm's path, some, are where exactly is even now? >> well right now it is taking its last stance in areas like west virginia, and here we have richmond, if you had 160 miles to the west and south, west of richmond virginia, that is where we have the right of the center trying to hold on. it's moving to the northeast at about ten miles per hour. futurecast, this is when you tell us where the rain is going to be in the coming hours. 8 pm, tonight you can see the heaviest rain situation stuff just south of pittsburgh and areas like morgantown, far western maryland, your asperger that way, and then as we push through time, we head into sunday, and so this is the second half of your, weekend it is really impacting the i-95 corridor that takes us into the delmarva peninsula right here in washington d.c.. at 95 in parts of philly, and southern new jersey, and tropical soaking rain, and then we are going to see this continue even as it leaves, it will be bringing moderate to

heavy rain into parts of the eastern shore near atlantic city. as far as the threat with even right now we have a flash flood threat remaining and you saw where the heaviest rain was setting up today and that is where we have the greatest risk out in west virginia for flooding and flash flooding to be a very dangerous situation as it happens quickly and as far as the numbers go, what we are looking at totals reaching six inches possibly in a very short amount of time. not only in areas like washington d.c., but in far northern maryland as well as southern pennsylvania. >> some are, how does the storm compared to hurricane charlie, the same, path but it did considerably less damage? >> you know, that's a really good, question but when you look at the, past they are uncanny, and it almost looks like they took the exact same path, but the difference is the size in intensity. i think that the eye of charlie was about ten miles wide, it when we talk about, even we're talking about 1.35 miles wide. we are dealing with a massive storm in comparison, and even

made landfall wednesday at 3:05 pm at cayo costa as a cat four. look at charlie here, very similar path, and it did make landfall as a cat four. but again, we're talking a major sized difference here, and ian was a slow mover. that is the other thing about, it meandering, dumping heavy rain, really reaching that maximum destruction whereas charlie, a shot out of here. >> and i will tell our viewers, that some are as one of our favorite people, and we send every saturday and makeup together, and so i'm really thrilled to have you on the show because we have such a unique insight into meteorology in science. and so i wanted to get your opinion, is it too early to tell the impact that climate change may factor into the storms intensity. >> that is a great question. when it comes to talking about climate change and hurricanes, we're not going to attribute climate change to one particular storm like ian, what we can, do we can link the background agrees to the storm to the changing climate.

and the gulf of mexico, that can be a breeding ground for the storms. right now, we have been seeing warmer water which really provides for that rapid intensification where we see the storm go from a cat one to cat two, three or four it feels like overnight. so when we see that rapid intensification, we can directly link that to the warmer climate, warmer waters, we are talking the water warming 1 to 3 degrees in the last 100 years in the gulf of mexico. that isn't seem like a, lot but it makes a huge impact in bringing the ingredients of the storms and need to life and that is what we are going to continue to see more, of unfortunately. >> and at a later, time i would love to have you back on the show just to talk about how climate change impact some of the storms that we are seeing across the country. thank you so much, summer has been here all, morning agreed to stick around for the cross and i love, you thank you so much so mara. keep it here as we continue our coverage for hurricane ian, later you talked one group about how they are working around the clock to rescue animals. if you know me, you know i love animals. we will talk about that.

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activists are threatening our democracy, once again. don't buy the false conspiracy theory the 2020 election was stolen, they are challenging thousands of voter registrations in states like georgia, with the midterms just a few weeks away. the same people who wrongly screen that joe biden is not the legitimate president are the same people that are now trying to undermine our elections. i have always done. joining me now is michelle cars at the democratic candidate for texas attorney general and my friend, cofounder of black voters matter fund. and natasha, is this going to work, that's my first question to. you >> you know, i hope not, but what i will say is that currently right now, gwinnett county, on monday --

>> in georgia. >> there are 37,000 voters, because of espy two or two, which was actually endorsed a part of the scheme of government brian kemp, and also supported by the secretary of state, brent raffensperger, that 30,000 voters, they can be challenged to electors saying i don't think they're valid voters. and in georgia, this right-wing group that is connections to trump, they have challenged 37,000 votes in the most diverse county in georgia, and they've already said, they've already thrown out 15 to 20,000. >> turnout 16 to 20, and they've already run the challenges out okay, and that's good news and but it does create a lot of resources in time, and the election board has to go through, and in some ways, prepare that it's an election that started, but

there is a week, when you start to see them dropping a ballots, and then there's weeks away from early voting and so here are a resource that should be prepared for election, and now it is with these bogus challenges and hoping that a monday, the rest of the challenges will be drawn out. even the vote georgia itself, 6000 of those votes, they had to pull back saying, there were duplicate's, of other votes for the challenges that actually show that those challenges were invalid, and so it's really like wearing out death by thousand, cuts let's keep wearing it with a process out. yeah, you know, ryan has been at this for a really long time and just to put this into context. in detroit, in 2016, you know what happened there. there were 75,000 votes that were thrown out and have those votes been counted? hillary clinton could've legitimately carried the state of michigan and been the president. so, these little incidents matter greatly. they cast a dark shadow. i want to bring you into the conversation, rachel. first of all, you would be a

historic election. you would be the first latina texas attorney general, if you are elected. they are trying the same motor voter suppression tactics in texas. what are resources for people in texas who are squaring off with the republican there, trying to disenfranchise the vote? >> first of all, thank you for having me on. you know, we are a hotbed for extremism in the state of texas and we have the chief election denier in can paxton. he not only tried to challenge the 2020 election using the power of his office, he may lose his license as a result of it. very recently, he has been targeting black and brown voters with the voter integrity unit that he has and it's really a means of suppressing the vote. if that were not terrible enough, the fact that i'm in very close margins with him, two points, three points, he issued a letter to elections officers across the state of texas, telling them to break

the law. that they should make ballots available to some of these extremist groups, to whoever asks for them 24 hours after an election, which is against state and federal law. so, this election cycle is incredibly important in texas. the fact that we are so close to unseating someone like that, that we are engaged in voter suppression tactics, is an incredible opportunity that democrats have. >> yeah and it's really scary actually because there's already around a dozen election denying republican candidates that have secured their -- ken paxton is certainly one of them. latosha, i will say this is why when the state of georgia was, you know, simply squaring off with trump and people were healing -- he ain't no hero. >> he's not a hero. >> he's a practitioner voter suppression like so many other people and it's very important that we remind people about that. what are the resources, though, in georgia? like, if people are finding that their votes are being challenged, do people need to

get notified? >> i think that what people need to do is make sure that there are fighting a fair fight, doing an amazing job at literally being able to support people who actually find themselves in the situation. i think they should reach out to them. also the -- community on civil rights has been on the forefront. organizations just hours, a black voters matter and other organizations that are in the area, we can act better doing this kind of work. i think what we have to really recognize is i say it over and over again, i will continue to see it, there have always been three strategies. it's restricting access to the ballot, about creating this culture of fear, and it's about weaponizing administrative processes. that's what we are seeing right now with the administrative process has been weaponized. so, now an elector can actually just bring challenges to thousands of electors that take resources and time, and energy away from the office that should be making sure that you are preparing for the upcoming election. >> i think it's important, rachel, for you to let the folks in texas know what they can do to protect their vote, if they find that their votes are being challenged or if they are confronted with something

that seems nefarious of them. what should people do? >> first, people should make sure that they are registered to vote. we've seen some voter suppression tactics that just pull people off the voter registration rolls with the letter that is not even sent by certified mail. we saw 2400 people pulled off that way. mostly latinos who had become citizens at some point, even though they were eligible voters and had been voting for a long period of time. make sure that you are registered to vote. have a plan to vote, and if you come up with any difficulties, there are resources across the state. there's a voter protection program that is being brought by organizations such as texas civil rights project, to make sure that we are keeping an eye on these suppression tactics. you know, because it doesn't just impact the day of voting, but it also is impacting mail-in voting. we've been seeing ballots, requests for ballots even being

rejected. so, making sure that you are on top of that and connecting with those resources that we've got is the best way to make sure you can vote. >> you know, it's almost an issue of right-wing extremism in the republican party shooting themselves in the foot, because a lot of their voters are older and use mail-in ballots. so, we will see how this all plays out. natasha brown, we will certainly get back on the show many times. but also later in the hour and thank you so much, rachel, garza, for being here and good luck in your race. we do have some breaking news to get to you. on the war in ukraine. russia's defense ministry, confirming this morning that russian troops are withdrawn from the town of lyman in eastern ukraine. it's a major blow to moscow, coming less than one day after the sham referendum that claimed ukraine's territory as its own. we will be following these developments and bring you more as we know it. so, be sure to stay tuned to msnbc for all the latest. coming up later, we will discuss how climate change is triggering the intensity of these hurricanes and how vulnerable communities maybe the most at risk. but first, the latest on the water crisis in jackson,

mississippi, and why race has everything to do with it. you don't want to miss a conversation. that's coming up right after the break. that's coming up right after the break. the break.

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is facing growing pressure to do something about his water crisis, which is rooted in racial inequity. the city, which is 83% black, was recently without clean drinking water for weeks. the water system has had problems for decades. so now, the justice department is threatening legal action unless things change. and the end naacp has filed a federal discrimination complaint accusing mississippi of diverting federal money to address the water crisis. so, what communities with significantly less need joining me now is naacp president and ceo, derek johnson. and springboard to opportunity ceo, aisha land or. very happy to have you both with me here with me this morning. i want to start with you, aisha, just to hear first and foremost, what is the current status with the drinking water in jackson and how are residents they're

faring? >> thank you so much, stephanie. thank you for having me. you know, the current status is there are sprinkling's of the city that are still underwater notice. but how residents are frustrated, tired, and scared. there has been mixed messaging as it relates to the safety of the water. and so, residents, quite frankly, and barely enough, are still not drinking their water, are still boiling their water, and are still dependent upon bottled water for many of the basic necessities for drinking, brushing teeth, cooking food, or even bathing their children, in some instances. so, it's a very precarious situation that we are still up against and i'm glad that we are having this conversation today, because individuals are trying to declare victory because the water is back on in some instances. but we haven't won anything. >> well, speaking of the residents of jackson who hadn't won anything, while there is still under a boil water advisory and while you see what's happening on your screen there, i just want to play a soundbite from the governor, tate reeves, who expressed how much he cares about jackson. take a listen.

>> i've got to tell you, it is a great today -- it also, as always, a great day to not be in jackson. i feel like i should take off my management director heart, leave it in the car, take off my public works director, had, leave it in the car. >> derek, i find that disgusting. can you talk to us about the federal complaint that the naacp is leading? i just want our viewers to know that derek is a longtime resident of jackson, so we are very familiar with that what's happening on the ground there. >> absolutely and thank you for having us. so, on tuesday, naacp, we filed a title six administrative complaint with epa because of the pattern and practice of discrimination, in the state of mississippi has had against the residents in the city of jackson for the last three decades. we almost had the same system failure in 2010. the mayors from 1997 up to

current has consistently requested more resources from the state. and what's ironic about it is not even the states money. it is federal clean water money that goes to the state, and then the state allocates. they have intentionally not provided the city of jackson with the resources to address it. and just recently, what the intended uses pundit state submitted, over 400 and $50 million that will come from epa. the state has already allocating 500 all 500,000 for the city of jackson. so, we also asked the citizens of the city to file an objection and ask epa not to approve the state intended use plans, because this is obvious discrimination. it is a decades long, and it's intended to starve the city of resources to maintain quality clean water. >> you know derrick, first of all, thank you for leading this work. but also, i feel like the whole storyline with brett favre is somewhat of a red herring, because, you know, first of all, if you want to see the face of

a world welfare queen, look at brett favre. while people are suffering in jackson, this man was taking up all the money. so, it's not the face that republicans paint. secondly, it wasn't just brett favre. i mean, mississippi -- unveiled tens of millions of dollars. professional wrestlers were involved, organizations such as operation string. mississippi has the highest poverty rate. one in five people in mississippi live in poverty, 46% of those are black children who live in poverty. so, how do the average populations rely, who rely on those funds, they continue to feel the sting there. what does that look like? >> the state of mississippi, they live off federal dollars. it's a port state, so those who consider themselves more wealthy, they use the money intended to support the poverty in the state to enrich their coffers. this is the largest misappropriation of theft of funds in the history of the state. it's close to $100 million. brett favre is only the tip of the iceberg for celebrities.

the former governor is implicating this. the current governor get away with the person who is investigating. the state didn't step up and say they want to take control of jackson. the water system, it tells you they have no desire to provide quality drinking water for the citizens. they seek to take the asset because there is a revenue generated, so they can divert the funds and the citizens will be left holding the bag with no control of their water system. it is a corrupt state and it's led by racism, it's led by greed, and we must step up as a community and this administration must step up to do something about it. >> i agree and, you know, the interesting about mississippi, despite being one of the most populous states with a summer of african americans, there's no statewide elected official who is black and mississippi. so, that lets you know how the infrastructure impacts the state there. aisha, you say that less than 1% of families in mississippi receive federal funding. welfare recipients that are eligible, that's because four years, family, they found that

the process even get these funds are inhumane. talk us through what these families are even facing to get funds, while tate reeves was making it rain all over brett favre. >> that's exactly right. the process to go about receiving funding through the welfare system in the state of mississippi for years has been a process that criminalizes those in -- who find themselves needing the support. it's been an inhumane process where you are constantly berated by the officials in charge, and you are constantly having to prove you are poor enough to need support. because of it, families over the years have made a cost-benefit analysis that they respect themselves too much to continue to have to jump through hoops to get these resources, knowing that in a lot of instances, they will be denied. as we are moving forward and thinking about what's necessary to reform the system, because the system doesn't need to be reformed, those are the questions and those are the realities that we need to be lifting up. why has the state made it so systematically hard for families to receive the

resources they need and made it so systematically easy for individuals in power positions to come in and take those resources without having to prove that there is a need or without having to even demonstrate what those resources will go? so, as we really think about what is next and how we hold those individuals accountable, we have to make sure that we are lifting up the narratives of the four individuals in the state who are the victims. brett favre is not a victim. there are definitely situations that should happen to him, but he's not a victim. all of the individuals who are now singing to the choir as they turn on each other or not victims. the individuals and the residents of mississippi who needed these resources that did not get them are the victims in restitution should be provided. >> yeah, i do want to correct myself. it actually was not tate reeves, that was a governor, phil brian, at the time that brett favre scandal happened. after a while, white supremacy all looks like. thank you so much, derek johnson, for being here and doctor i should montero. you will both have to come back because we will keep an eye on what's happening in jackson for

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from hurricane ian is a reminder of just how powerful hurricanes can be, especially when it fueled by climate change. and listen, communities of color may be particularly at

risk. last fall, the epa found that black americans or 40% more likely than other groups to live in places where extreme temperatures will cause more deaths. so, how exactly do we make sure communities are prepared and scientists predict climate change will make natural disasters even more intense in the future. joining me now to discuss just that is doctor mustafa santiago ali. he's a vice president of the national wildlife federation and founder of revitalization strategies. back with me is my good friend, latosha brown. she, of course, cofounder of black voters matter fund. she's joining the conversation as well. doctor ali, i will start with you. we've heard a lot this week about how climate change is a big contributor to how since these tropical storms are. can you explain why, for those who are not science minded, why that is? >> yeah, it's very simple that when we burn and utilize fossil fuels, it warms up both our oceans and our atmosphere. that, then, intensifies these very storms that we see.

the hurricanes. these extreme rain events that are going on, and also the flooding. this is not new science. in the 1856, units newton pope showed that by the utilization of these types of things, that we were going to base these types of situations and, of course, now the ipcc, the national climate assessment reports, have all said that we continue to have an addiction to fossil fuels and to burn them, then we are going to intensify the things that we see from the climate crisis. >> you know latosha, i wanted to have you on as a part of this conversation because when katrina happened, nobody called you and said, hey natasha, come get us. you just sprang into action and you were going back and forth, trying to help the community. so, you've seen firsthand what the devastation looks like and being on the front lines of tried to help and save people. as you always do. salt of the earth kind of woman you are. what does it look like for the people who are suffering? i always think when they say evacuate, get out, where would people going to go? do you think of people who have no transportation, that can't

afford the gas to get their, all of that? >> that's exactly right. you know, there is a natural disaster that we can do anything about, right? which is around the weather. but then there's also a disaster, a man made disaster, which we are talking about in climate change and intensifying, as the gulf coast becomes warmer, you will see more intense storms. but then there's a third's answer, which is poverty. we've got millions of people that are living in this country that are literally vulnerable, they don't have the opportunity or privilege to even have broadband service or cell phones, even ways of getting the information. -- that's how we found hurricane katrina, that many people stayed in place. not because they wanted to say there and take a chance, that's because the resources or lack of resources prevented them from doing so. and so, oftentimes, they are in the first line of being impacted and it's also hard for them to recover. most of them live in houses that normally, in terms of storms, they are going to be impacted in a way, they are cheap made housing. they don't have transportation. they don't have necessary

disposable resources so that they can leave, and i know people who stay because they were afraid that if he even left, depending on their jobs, that they wouldn't be able to get back quick enough, so they will lose their jobs. we literally have to recognize that what is happening right now, as we are looking at climate change, as we are looking at these storms, that the vulnerable, the low wealthy people and poor people in this country, are extremely vulnerable, that's why we need a safety net around policy, so when these things happen, they are protected as well. >> i remember using that water -- hurricane katrina, it's a hard thing to transport. talk to us about that. >> you know it's really interesting? i didn't know how hard it was to get water, right? it's funny. my friend, doctor santiago, we work together. we worked in the gulf coast region, particularly in bala, mississippi, and louisiana, just basic needs around water and cleaning supplies. and people to be able to get to one place to another. you know, but something as simple as a basic need, when you don't have resources, when you don't have a network that's moving, when you are isolated, it's hard to get that simple, basic need.

so, we have to actually recognize this is a larger issue that while it's around the storm and immediately, that there is a longer term issue that's around systemic poverty, that is actually exacerbating the problem. >> yeah and the confluence of all these things crashing disproportionate to people who look like us. and just our fellow human beings in this country. doesn't really matter what you look like. you are being adversely impacted by all of this. doctor ali, it can feel really helpless sometimes since this fight is really coming down to human versus the forces of nature. what can we do? like, fixings for the generations behind us when it comes to climate change and understanding that it's really hard to prioritize climate change when you are faced with, like latosha said, with poverty, when you can't pay mortgage, you don't know when you're going to feed your children, you don't have job security. and then someone says, by the way, you need to focus on climate change. what would you say to those folks, what can they be doing? >> the first thing we can do is get educated. second thing we can do is make sure that we are partnering with frontline organizations.

the third thing that we can do is make sure that we understand the power that exists inside of our dollars. to make sure that we are not funding, you know, our own demise, if you will. then, of course, the fourth aspect, which is so critically important, is to make sure we understand the power that exists inside of our vote. and how we have to make sure that we are bringing folks in both local and the county seat at the federal level, who care about our communities, who are willing to move forward on a strong climate and environmental justice legislation. if we do those four things, then we will start to have a much stronger foundation underneath of us to make change happen. >> you know, you have two wonderful, with the people here and i want to toss the soundbite from a halfway person. tucker carlson is an anti-scientist. i don't know why. but let's take a listen to this and we will talk about the huge audience he influences on the other side. >> it's not a close call. there has been, as a factual matter, no increase in hurricane frequency in the

continental united states from 1900 to 2020. the number of land falling hurricanes has dropped slightly over the past century. why? we are not sure, but we can probably guess it has nothing to do with climate or your suv. so, hurricanes are 25% less common and at most, 5% more intense. so, it's not really about science, is it? because actually, there is no science behind these claims. >> no science behind these claims. doctor ali, while we pay that soundbite, latosha made a good point, i hope you don't mind me saying. >> play it. >> herschel walker. >> he sounds like herschel walker. >> this is the party. the challenge with this though, latosha, is he's talking to millions of people who believe that. so, what would you say to people who just project sense? >> we need to understand that these people are trying to kill us. this is far beyond just about a party difference. this is a party that has aligned themselves with white supremacist, this is a party that has denied --

aligned themselves with deniers. on one hand, you have a herschel walker in georgia saying, we have enough trees. we know now that we are breathing right now because of trees. then you have a governor, you have people throughout the south, that literally we're looking at, as we've got this major, major issue around climate change, and their climate deniers, right? only because of their own power. so, they are willing to kill us in sake of maintaining their own power. we've got to get rid of them. >> also dr. ali, they are not just wanted to kill us. they're willing to kill themselves. you saw people who died in the name of mean covid deniers because they were inhaling all that maga craziness. so, what is your response to people who follow these folks and listen to them, and can look at truth in the face and still elected to believe a lie. ? >> well, you know, tucker carlson also that on the january 6th insurrection was just a footnote in history. so, we know he doesn't have a lot of credibility. who does have credibility are the thousands of scientists who have shared with us exactly what is happening in this moment and what is coming. those are folks at the national

climate assessment, the ipcc, and a number of other climate change organizations. we have to begin to educate ourselves on the impacts that are happening. when you look at places like appalachia and kentucky, when they got hit by those, you know, 500 year floods, those are some of the folks who actually listened to talk or carlson. so folks need to understand that these folks have no interest in protecting your lives and you need to be very careful where you are getting this misinformation from, and allowing it to help to frame out the way you see the world. >> yeah, absolutely. don't drink that kool-aid. thank you so much, doctor mustafa santiago ali and latosha brown. coming up next, helping man's best friend. weather the storm. we will take a look at what's happening to beloved pets in the wake of hurricane in. to beloved pets in the wake of hurricane in the wake of hurricane in the new subway series menu. the greatest sandwich roster ever assembled.

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organizations, such as big dog ranch rescue, to save the lives of our for babies. joining us now is lori simmons. she's the founder and ceo of big dog ranch rescue. lori, thank you so much for the work that you do. i have to first know, my apologies, i did not introduce our third guest who is there with you. so, if you would please introduce us and tell us a little bit about the pet rescues you have going on right now. >> well, this is a little winston. we rescued him from the gulf coast humane yesterday. in fort myers. unfortunately, he was the one, one of the ones, that had to be surrendered due to evacuation from the storm. and they knew they would have no way to care for him after the storm, so this is what happened to pets in that natural disasters. they end up being the last to be cared for. >> that's so heartbreaking. so, thankfully, at least families surrendered the dog

and did not just leave there for baby behind. but that happens as well, so tell us about your organization. like, do you just work with families who have surrendered? do you go out and find pets who have been left behind? >> so, big dog ranch rescue is the largest no kill dog rescue in the country. we've started about 15 years ago and have grown it due to the need. we take dogs from high kill shelters that are in danger of being euthanized. we take owner surrenders that unfortunately due to the current inflation problem, throughout the country, with higher calls to rents and -- groceries, and veterinary care, that have to make the existence the decision to give up their pets. we have become very much first responders during hurricane crises. we did 6000 animals that in

puerto rico after -- 1600 out of the virgin islands and several hundred after dorian in the bahamas. so, we understand how these pets suffer. they left behind with no food or water, and nobody to care for them. they are not like a human, where they can go out and find help themselves. there'll and other humans to save their lives. so, we like to be there right away for the animals and to also help the people that are caring for them. >> i could not imagine leaving my pet behind. they are family. i don't know, people i know who our parents tougher babies say, i could not love this thing more if i birth this thing, you know? it's just so heartbreaking to hear that. what can people do? if you do find yourself in this circumstance where you just literally cannot care for an animal anymore, what are some

options for people instead of taking taking the dog to a kill shelter or just embarrassing them, which is so incredibly cruel, what kind of resources can people look for? >> research rescues. rescues actually are responsible. for saving probably 70% of the animals that get saved from kill shelters, from different places, from disasters. so, support rescue here at big dog ranch, we've taken over 5000 animals a year and we've just expanded to alabama. to another huge facility that we are opening to be able to help more, which will increase our intake up to about 10,000 a year. so, people don't realize when shelters are overcrowded, they have to make the tough decisions. county shelters, when so many

dogs coming in and so much space and resources, they have to make a very tough decision to euthanize, even though they don't want to. so, many shelters hold the dogs 3 to 5 days. if they are not reclaimed by the owner or adopted or rescued by a rescue, then unfortunately, living in a body bag. it's so unnecessary for these pets that are so adaptable. [inaudible] on the pet stores and rescue it. >> yes, adopt, don't shop. do not go to breeders. adopt, don't shop. there are so many pets you need their homes and i will just tell you, laurie, i'm a huge pit bull advocate, so i just want to take a moment of personal privilege and tell people, pitbulls are the best dogs. they are train-able. don't let the bad wrap scare you away from pitbulls, because there were than any dog and

they're great with kids. >> i 100% agree and unfortunately, because of the bad wrap pitbulls get, they are the number one dog euthanized in kill shelters. and they are the number one dog not adopted. so, there needs to be, they need to stop breathing them throughout the country. there are plenty. and legislation is another way with stopping backyard breeders and puppy mills that we can make to make a difference. we are working on that. right now with the crisis at hand over there on the west coast of florida, we witnessed when we were stopped going three miles an hour heading to our third shelter to pick up dogs and drop off supplies, -- was -- people were being rescued out of their homes, they were waiting in chest deep water holding their animals above

them. we saw them walking down i-75 with literally a garbage bag, we were stopping and giving them food, water, and supplies, offering help. >> well, thank you for doing that. >> it has not ended with the -- overflowing. >> it's devastating. we are showing scenes from that now. it's devastating. thank you so much for the work you do. i love your love for pit bulls. save a pit bull, euthanize a dog fighter. pitbulls are the best animals ever. thank you so much, lori simmons, for everything, truly. we appreciate you. and good luck to you, big dog ranch we appreciate it. >> thank you, go on to our site. >> all right, sorry, we do have to run out. as florida and other states continue to recover from the damaging storm, people will be turning to fema for help tomorrow. , -- we'll welcome fema chief, diana prince criswell, to discuss the federalists efforts. we want to make sure you catch that tomorrow at 10 am right here on msnbc.

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at home for watching across connection. i will definitely be back here next saturday at 10 am eastern. i will see you then. but stay tuned because the amazing alex witt has all the latest. i, alex. >> can i just say you were apologizing beforehand for running late, and i was like, go. keep going. put this information out there about the pet rescues. i mean, it's so heartwarming