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author of "aristotle and dante discover the secrets of the universe". it is a wonderful book. in the next few moments, nbc news in partnership with telemundo will release new numbers before the midterms, giving specific numbers to one of the -- most important blocks, the latino voting bloc. we'll give you those numbers. a new developments in russia's invasion of ukraine, vladimir putin is claiming swath of ukrainian territory that is armies now retreating from. make that make sense! as you can accelerate its bid to join nato, as we did former nato secretary general, who is on the job and russia annexed crimea in 2014. another hour of velshi begins right now. in right now. part of the united states have been battered by two hurricanes back to back. president joe biden will head down to the storm zone to survey the damage in the recovery efforts. the white house announced last
night that the president and first lady will head to puerto rico last night which was rocked by hurricane fiona -- 25 deaths in puerto rico have been connected to the storms. reuters reports that as of friday, 230,000 homes and businesses remain without power. fiona bore down five days after the anniversary of hurricane maria, which wreaked major havoc on the island before moving up the east coast. after puerto rico, the first couple will head to florida to examine the damage caused by hurricane ian. with wind speeds that top 155 miles per hour, tens of thousands of buildings were leveled, millions of people lost power. so far, nbc news confirmed at least 77 people have died from the effects of iain which barreled into florida's west coast as a category four storm on wednesday before veering to the east overland, reentering the atlantic ocean and making a second landfall as a category one hurricane and the carolinas. nbc's steve patterson is in
fort myers beach where i left him yesterday, where the humidity is still reeling from the strongest storm to ever make landfall there. steve. >> yeah, on the ground here days after hurricane ian made landfall in search and rescue, now recovery, those of the primary operations. the death toll is climbing. more than 70 people confirmed dead, thousands still displaced or trapped. crews are racing to provide aid. >> this morning at sunrise, another day of devastation. and the aftermath of local likely be the deadliest, costliest, and most powerful hurricanes in modern u.s. history. with time running out on a critical rescue window, search crews raced to discover any signs of life. their main focus, a chain of south was barrier islands, where the storm was merciless, leaving thousands stranded. on pine island, the coast guard regard -- providing residents of their
only lifeline to mainland. >> we don't know places to go, no cars to get their. >> there's been no communication, no -- people coming on the island to tell us what's going on. >> rescue efforts, hampered by a lack of running water and power. a crisis for area hospitals forcing days of nonstop patient evacuations. >> what was the like beat out here? >> it was just a how lane of winds and rain. >> tom law officer shot this video while riding out the storm and the seventh floor of a high-rise. for days, he and other residents, mostly elderly, had been stranded. >> unless the situation like with water, power, food? >> here there is no water, no alec trick, little food. the problem is, you can't go get your car because those are all wrapped. there's no place like i guess. you can go to the grocery store because you can't walk there. >> the building has sustained at least $50 million in damage. just the beginning of a nightmare for homeowners in the
region, with ensures estimating damage costs to be and the billions. >> this storm isn't over, rain is expected to pound the northeast all day as both president biden and the first lady have announced plans to visit florida and puerto rico. back to you. >> patterson for a us in florida. meanwhile, russia's barbaric invasion of ukraine and his 221. tensions are escalating. the public is laying claim to 15% of ukraine's territory as it pushes ahead with illegal annexation's of four regions in eastern ukraine. luhansk, donetsk, sabrina, and her son. russia has already annex the area -- in -- the takeover of those regions as a set of red sham referendum bosa took place last week in both respective territory. i use the word vote fairly loosely, as russia surely knew the results well before the voting began. the task russian news agency
reported the tallies. 99% in donetsk, 87% in kherson, 93% of the people in zaporizhzhia. all were voted in favor of joining russia. much in. that even as russia tries expanded -- moscow has suffered major embarrassment on the battlefield in recent weeks. the latest is coming just yesterday. this is a big one. according to the russian defense ministry, just hours after attempting to take the highly strategic city of liam on, and the donetsk reason, russian troops were forced to retreat for fear of beat and circled. they moved to more advantage frontiers. just this morning, the president volodymyr zelenskyy said le mans has been cleared of russian troops. a city that just this week russia declared to be part of russia. yet another and of masterful military strategy on the part of vladimir putin. and no wild speech on friday, he made field threats to use
nuclear weapons against those who do not respect the newly annex regions as part of the russian state. he said that russia set precedent for by using -- a 1945. putin even referred to the west as, quote, the enemy. it's a word he rarely uses. president joe biden responded on friday, and for me putin in the world at the u.s. and its nato allies will not be intimidated. >> we're fully prepared to defend, i'll say this again, america's fully prepared with our nato allies to defend every single inch of nato territory. every single inch. mr. putin, don't misunderstand what i'm saying. every inch. >> every single inch. now president volodymyr zelenskyy gets his way, she every inch of nato territory will soon include ukraine. on friday, he submitted an accelerated application for his country to join nato amid the massive annexation's.
the nato alliance has grown significantly since just 12 founding nations won't be agreement in 1949. let me give you an example. this is what nato look like in 1978. you can see the member nations in the bright green. they're mostly on the western side of europe. nearly -- bordering ukraine, which, at the time, was part of the soviet republic. most of those countries on russia's border were soviet countries. nato underwent a massive eastward expansion, here's what the aligns looks like today. there are 30 members of nato. ukraine's border in several of them. noticeably absent, by the, way right above ukraine's belarus. belarus remains a major russian ally, but even support there is faltering for this illegal war. if ukraine is inducted, along with sweden and finland, -- this is what the new map would look like. putin, who stated that the prevention of nato expansion was one of his explicit goals
in this role will be flanked by western alliance and almost every war. joining me now -- is he is served as the 12th secretary general of nato. he was on the job when russia annexed crimea in 2014. he's a former prime minister of denmark. he's the founding chairman of rasmussen global. sir, they give adjoining. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you very much. good morning. thank you for having me on your show. >> let me talk to you, look, we know sweden fiddler interested rodeo. the countries that have to ratify, up there on their way to ratify, there is a blip with turkey but it worked itself out. nato is another, ukraine's a different story. ukraine actively avoided joining nato for a while, and then at the beginning of this war, are sort of hedged on the idea. they didn't want to do things that were deliberately provocative in russia's mind to russia. now, they say they want to go full steam ahead. what does it look like from the nato side. what, how does getting accelerated access to nato work
from the nato perspective. >> well, i'm not surprised. it's written in the ukrainian constitution that ukraine has an ambition to join nato. that's a sovereign decision. however, it will take some time. in the meantime, ukraine needs ironclad security guarantees. that's the essence of the kyiv security compact that i presented to president zelenskyy some weeks ago. >> let's talk about the kyiv security compact. what does that going to mean materially for ukraine, and the context of the fact that ukraine is not a nato country, but it is winning this war, in part because of vladimir zelenskyy's leadership, in great part because the determination of the ukrainian people in the military. and large part, people are truly will support. >> it is because of the support
from nato allies that we fortunately see the ukrainian forces make progress on the battlefield. i think based on that, we should sign a security calm tracked between ukraine and some very important allies. the essence of that would be to make ukraine capable of defending itself against any attack. that is the ultimate security guarantee. that would entail, firstly, so strong military forces and ukraine. that they can withstand any russian attack. secondly, and handstand telegenic corporation with -- ukraine. thirdly, joint exercises in trading of ukrainian forces, also on ukrainian side. finally, the development of a strong military industry in
ukraine. that's the essence of the kyiv security contract and commitment to active -- ukraine to defend itself, by itself. >> i want to make a reference to a tweet that you sent on friday. you said vladimir putin's speech and declaration of annexation on ukrainian territory does not change reality on the ground. ukraine is winning on the battlefield, we must continue to give them what they need to finish the job. i want to ask you why, because everyone has said that, as world leaders have said that the map ukraine looks exactly the same as it did last monday before they had this referendum. why is that response different than it was a crime area and 2014? >> because we have learned lessons from history. no doubt, we reacted to reluctantly, a two wildly who'd putin illegally annexed crimea to the russian federation.
by that, we sent him a dangerous -- that he could almost without any cost, annex also. the eastern and southern parts of ukraine. we have learned lessons from the past, now we have to respond determinately to said more heavy weapons to ukraine. the ukrainians have the will to fight, we must give them the means to fight. they are fighting on behalf of all of us for our freedom and democracy. >> digs for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. you are the former secretary general of nato, the former prime minister of denmark. we are grateful for your time in your analysis this morning. >> think you. >> we've got some brand-new polling, just weeks ahead of the midterm elections. one of the most crucial voting blocks a shifting. the nbc news telemundo surveys found the democratic advantage with latino voters is now half the size that it was a decade ago. we'll take it to those numbers
and what it means for democrats in november. so the noes to watch this november, the amount of election deniers running for office. we'll zoom in on wisconsin and the races where democracy is at stake. wait, there's more. we also to keep an eye on the new supreme court term. we already saw the fall of roe, what's next? what's next? ies menu. twelve irresistible new subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! oh, davante adams! what's up, man? we need to talk about that lucky jersey. haven't washed it in years. multiple years? i don't see any stains. it's lucky. mmm, i don't see any luck. it's dirty. lucky. dirty. but we just scored a touchdown. crowd: yeah! not we. me. ohhh! touche. you need to deep clean that. you know what to do. just over one month until the good luck out there! bro, no. listen. it's dirtier than it looks. it's got to be tide hygienic clean.
midterm elections, there's no better time for me to remind you that our democracy is at stake. next month's midterms are about so much more than which party gains or loses seats, or whose idea get sent to the presidents task. these elections can make or break the truth. let's do a quick roll call. this is according to a recent report by states united action, which tracks the progressive election deniers throughout 2022 primary election. as of september 14th, there are election deniers and bid liars
on the ballots for races a governor in 18 states. they're on the ballots for secretary of state races in 12 states. they're on the ballot in races for attorney general in ten states. when it comes to congress, those dozens of heads and -- who push the big lie. from now until election day, we're taking time each weekend to examine where democracy is at risk in this couldn't -- we have heard there is no shortage of options from which to choose, so today, we've decided we're looking at wisconsin. the start with the senate race -- is going to be known as the one of the senate's most vocal insurrection apologists. johnson's chief of staff -- mike pence. this raised questions about johnson's role in a deliberate coordinated plan to block biden's win, and give donald trump the presidency. when asked about the violence of january six, he lied. he said there wasn't any
violence on the senate side of the capitol. he noted that the insurrection is, quote, love this country and, quote, would never do anything to break the law, and quote. he said that if it wore tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, he would've been concerned. these also spread vaccine falsehoods, promoting unapproved remedies for covid-19. he's voted against the january six committee, a gun safety bill, and the confirmation of our first black female supreme court justice. his race against democratic challenger is rated a toss-up by the political report. now, let's look at the race for governor in wisconsin. the businessman, to michael, since the republican nominee. his gauge of his co-owner managing the largest energy infrastructure company in the state. michaels as a trump devotee and big lie endorser. he's previously said he would
consider surprising a bill that would certify the 2020 election results. he said he would reconsider, or he would consider, any bill the republican legislature says to his desk if elected. he refused to commit to the very basic duty of certifying the stakes 2024 election results if he is governor. up until recently, michaels was a steadfast supporter of an 1849 wisconsin law banning abortion in all cases, and making it a felony crime to perform one. he flip-flop a few weeks ago, saying he would approve of this exceptions for rape and incest. the milwaukee journal says that he's used his personal foundation to follow money. $250,000 to anti-lgbtq and anti-abortion groups. michael's to that story was to call for people to be ready to get out on the streets with pitchforks and torches. pitchforks and torches. that guy, the guy who literally
will not commit to counting his fellow citizens votes in an election, was inciting violence against local journalists. his race against the current governor is rated a toss-up by the cook political report. this is what's going on in wisconsin. after the break, when i talk to two stars of wisconsin politics about these high stakes races and more. the congresswoman glenmore, and dan kaufman, author of the seminal book, the fall of wisconsin. we'll be right back. right back. for more on the new boss, here's patrick mahomes. incredible - meatballs, fresh mozzarella and pepperon- oh, the meatball's out! i thought he never fumbles. the new subway series. what's your pick? joining me now is a democratic
congress woman glad more of us concern. -- was the first black person to ever be elected to congress and wisconsin. also with me is don kaufman, the author of the ball of wisconsin. the future of american politics. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. good to see you again, you are
a city representative and wisconsin. given the political climate in washington right now, what would the future of wisconsin, with governor michaels, and a reelected senator johnson look like? >> oh my god, velshi. this is an unimaginable question. i can tell you, we have a governor and a united states senator who believes in banning abortion, even with no exceptions for the life or risk to the mother. we would have people who would want to defund education, as it were. we have two michaels talking about not wanting to fund education. he's done a beautiful job at restoring school funding that has been depleted over the past 20 years. we're talking about people who
voted against the infrastructure bill. people who voted against a future clean energy program. we're talking about people who were just very radical. >> dan, you and i have talked a lot about this. in fact, you've written a piece about was -- have been working hard to make voting difficult. that's why the election denial thing is almost benign. it's more than that. election denial and wisconsin goes hand in hand with making voting difficult. does this effort to ovaries the choice of the people, is it motivating for wisconsin? >> i think it's definitely motivating on the right. the activism on the far-right against the election infrastructure, i think one of the things that's really worrisome is the attacks on the clerks, local officials. you have a really pernicious kind of attacks on these
people. in fact, there was a survey out the 20% of the clarks in the state of wisconsin are considering leaving because of what happened in 2020. i think this kind of ground level attack on the foundational mechanism of democracy, the municipal clerks, it's worrisome. there's a threat of violence against them. one of the women i profiled had hundreds of threats against her. i think that's tremendously worsen. at the same time, as you said, there is a two-pronged efforts with the old-fashioned voter suppression techniques. a slew of bills that are waiting for the republican governor and tony -- loses. that will make it more difficult to vote, and many different ways. for disabled people, elderly people, and every single election in wisconsin has been close since 2012.
i assure you that it will continue to be very close. joe biden won by 20,000 votes, donald trump won by 23,000 votes. you know, i think it's a two-pronged effort that's very worrisome. it's generated more energy, i, think on the far-right, than as far as people and side worrying about it. there is concern, but i think it's very troubling. >> congresswoman, these banned, michaels especially, are interested in four, my perspective, is an infringement on human. rights whether it's lgbtq rights -- i sort of wonder, in places like wisconsin, we're seeing it in michigan were questions about abortion are actually motivated people to register for a vote, because democrats, maybe it's large numbers of -- registered about. does this appeal to people who
want to curtail these rights. is it overcome by people who want to fight back against people like michaels and those who would do that? >> you know, i think it is. dan, i really appreciate you laying out the background for our struggle in wisconsin. i think women are going to rise out in wisconsin during this election. even though it might not show in the polls, i think women have a lot of people -- bought a stake in this election. it's not just abortion rights, it's their right to, we hear so many lies from republicans about how they're going to put forth parents rights to educate their kids. what we see and said are people who want to defund education. we see are people who want to
use stuff like crt and educating trans kids as a ruse for not funding educational opportunity. what we see are people who don't want to provide child care for women so they can stay in the workforce. what we see are people, like ron johnson, who want to put social security and medicare, and medicaid, on the chopping block every year. we see people who claim that they want to stop crying. yet, there not only election deniers, but for someone like ron jansen, feel some loyalty to people who showed up in january six. in an attack there democracy. we see people, like ron johnson in michaels, who see socials guarantee and medicaid are just ponzi scheme's.
we see people who talk about energy independence. yeah, we've got not one single vote to take us into a modern newly-economy. we're going to see young people of all genders coming out to vote. people who have not been pulled. we created a path for the future. their jobs are going to end the new energy economy, they'll have jobs in the infrastructure bill. goody rid of all of these lead pipes that poise with their children, they're going to have opportunities. we have a big machinery company in my district, big trucks, but they can't move them because we don't have semi-conductors. they're all made in taiwan. we see people like our future senator, ben deliverance, who wants to bring that kind of technology back to the united states.
could we get ron johnson to vote for this? no. i think, people often criticize democrats for not putting up the right message, and we have to, there's so much money spent against us. we spent all of our time chasing their lies, as bob dylan puts at. we have to do what jenna jackson said back in the day. we've gotta remind people of what we've done for them lately. i mean with the american rescue plan, we kept people out of extreme poverty, and being homeless. what we have done with the inflation reduction act is create a new energy economy, lower prescription drugs, and what we have done is to really provide a bridge to the future instead of the past. people will trust us. with the majority. we will make sure that their constitutional rights to control their bodies, women, we
will democrats will restore it despite the decision. thank you, velshi. >> glenn moore, dropping some janet jackson lyrics on velshi. which we appreciate it. dan, 30 seconds on, that's where -- -- they have a republican candidate, who something have gone too far, the republicans have actually moved over to support josh the bureau a large number to help it would. he is a clear lead in the moment. why is that not happening wisconsin? >> i think two michaels has started a different kind of needle, trying to present himself as a kind of every man job creator as well. he's presenting himself as a little less extreme though, as you mention, he's talked about decertifying and so. on wisconsin is very evenly divided. i think one thing that's important to remember is a lot of this goes back to scott walker's attack on labor unions in the labor movements, it's lost above 50% of his union
mention -- that is altered that's maybe underappreciated. you know, that election, the governor's race in wisconsin is probably the most crucial election in the country. once it was one of only three stakes that was the deciding state of 2015, 2020. if tony loses, i think there's no guarantee that the electors will be given to whoever is the winner of the popular vote. >> this is why this conversation is so important. thank you for both of you for joining us this morning. we really appreciate it. -- we have some interesting new poll numbers a talk about fresh off the presses from abc news and telemundo. the republican party, cutting into the democrats advantage among latino voters. g latino voters. er ever assembled. next is the new great garlic.
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represents the largest and fastest-growing block of eligible minority voters is expected to play an important role in midterm elections. we have brand-new polling of this key group. just minutes ago, democrats are losing ground infantino voters as sections of that electorate shift towards the right. 54% of latino voters say they prefer democrats to prefer congress, versus 33% who say they want republicans in charge. that's 21 point democratic advantage is now half the size that it was a decade ago. quote, the survey shows these -- are siding with on abortion, and growing concerns in the hispanic community. it also has them backing republicans on crime and the economy, and quote. i wanna talk about this brand-new pulley with my
colleague. good morning to you. part of this may be things that are going on right now, or what people chooses priorities. some of this is been a shift that's been going on for a long time. the republican party, for the last couple elections, has been able to rely on over a quarter -- and it seems to be growing. >> right, that's something democrats should be worried about. 21-point advantage for democrats is nothing to sneeze at. it's very good. the fact that it's been had over ten years, the republicans are steadily gaining ground, they should send him assist to democrats. they need to do something to blunt that advantage that republicans have when it comes to crime and the economy. ali, that also shows that democrats have an advantage when it comes to abortion and protect in the constitution, and also, what i found interesting, in addressing concerns of hispanic voters. democrats have an almost double
advantage over republicans. >> it's an interesting poll. we'll dig into it a little bit more. jonathan, thank you for helping the out with this one. make sure to tune into the sunday show at 10 am eastern. jonathan has an excuse live interview with but our work. he's running for governor in texas, hot of a big debate the other day with the governor of texas. he's also gonna talk with the current fema administrator about hurricane ian recovery. that's going on on the sunday show, right after velshi. it's a 10 am eastern. the new supreme court term starts -- democracy is on the docket. if you thought the fall of row is the worst to come, you might be mistaken. n. the new monster has juicy steak and crispy bacon. but what about the new boss? it looks so good it makes me hangry! settle down there, big guy the new subway series. what's your pick?
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handed, danced aides like al will -- implemented so-called trigger bans, immediately outlining abortion and forcing clinics to stop providing care with no advanced notice. 100 days later, abortions been banned or restricted in a total of 16 states across the country. meanwhile, abortion is legal and nine other states. only because of court ordered injections that have blocked abortion bans from taking effect as legal challenges are ongoing. that represents this map, the map they are looking, at the one i showed, you represent is radical changes in abortion rights that occurred over a course of three and a half months. what is not so readily apparent on this map is the harm that has been directly experience by pregnant people who have been stripped of their autonomy to make decisions about their own bodies. one of the states for abortion rights is -- ohio. the state implemented its six-week abortion ban hours after roe was overturned on june 24th. that ban was in effect for much of the summer, until a judge
blocked it just 19 days ago following a lawsuit filed by abortion providers. it was in ohio where a ten-year-old rape victim was denied an abortion just days after roe is overturned, forcing her family to drive her to indiana in order to receive care. that case became an early flash point in the post office abortion rights battle, but it turns out, is not unique. and affidavits filed by part of the lawsuit against ohio's abortion ban, medical providers were told of a least two more cases involving underage rape victims who were denied care and ohio, and forced to travel elsewhere for abortion. one of the victims had to wait three weeks for her appointment. these affidavits also told stories of to cancer patients who found out that they were pregnant and had to delay their chemotherapy. treatments until after they could travel to another state in order to terminate their pregnancies. upon learning that she had been unable to -- one of the pregnant cancer patients, quote, broke down and cried inconsolably despite the i-70 multiple staff members to
console her. this is according to the affidavit of -- this is just a small sample from one state, of the people who have already been harmed by the supreme court's decisions to overturn roe. the dobbs decision was a pivotal and historic moment, offering the clear side yet of where the clot trump-stacked conservative majority on the supreme court is going to take america. it's easy to forget about the other decisions the supreme court handed down last. storm and addition to overturning roe, the court also limited the powers of the epa. and expanded gun rights by loosening gun laws that blurred the line that's postage separate church and state. tomorrow marks the beginning at the supreme court's new term. over the next few months, the court will hear arguments on cases regarding the environment, affirmative action, and one key case that could dramatically alter how federal elections are connected. when we come back, we will preview the supreme court's upcoming tour with two of the brightest legal minds i now, 15
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running for key offices this fall to bring the system of free and fair elections down. if even ever a conspiracy paralympic leonard ballot in the country is defeated. the threat to democracy doesn't and after election day. the damage donald trump's presidency, which can be fully imagined yet, is perhaps nowhere more potent adoring than on the supreme court. it begins a new term on monday. the court, which now includes justice contend g brown jackson, the first woman to serve on the court -- it also includes three trump appointed justices, who formed a heart of a conservative majority that is proving itself willing to roll back some long protected personal rights. this is an untold cost american society. this is set to hear a slate of cases that could prove as damaging to -- as the overturning of roe v. wade has been. here to discuss the upcoming cases on the docket, in the absolute best legal minds out, they're jeffrey rosen is the president and ceo of the
national constitution center. he's a president at the -- is the president of the national women's law center. welcome to both of. you thank you for being with us this. morning i want to try to get through a few of the cases that are coming up and get your thoughts on them. could, similar with. either two cases that have a lot of people worried this year about voting rights in the future of democracy. let's start with the one coming out of north carolina, it's called more v harbor. in this case, north carolina's republican controlled legislature is claiming that its state supreme court cannot overturn its gerrymandered congressional maps. tell us why this is such a big important case, what's at stake. >> the issue that the court took up as whether there really is any sort of remedy at all to the sort of extreme gerrymandering that you've seen come main, not just in north carolina, at a state legislatures across the country. it's a tactical limit. -- they offered this new and wacky
theory that would mean that voters across the country would have no judicial remedy and state court, or, really, in federal court. the supreme court is already addressed that. this is to fight -- this would throw elections into chaos. there would be hundreds of laws that would be nullified if this theory were in stepdad. it would also potentially reach foundational state policies for processes like voted registration, mail voting, many of the things that have made voting more accessible. the question is, when you have these extreme state lawmakers, is there any check on this steps that they are taking? the legal case you talked about in your opening with jobs, we know what it's like to unleash that sort of instability. the country is still grappling. imagine that same level applying to voting. >> jeff, let's talk about this and another case out of
alabama. it's called melvin mill again. it also concerned, allegedly, gerrymandered maps. it involves the voting rights app and whether or not this app can -- have their votes deliberately diluted in congressional map drawing. tell me how these are connected and the influence you think they'll have. >> well the voting rights cases very important. as you say, the question is whether, an alabama court will have -- alabama had to draw a second majority district in which african americans voted the majority, without violate the voting rights act. his star claim before the court is that the voting rights act, which was invented in the 1982, would require the majority districts whenever they lacked a -- whether that act is his self unconstitutional. basically, whether the principles of the constitution prevented congress from saying that there will obligations to create voting districts for the
majority. this is a position that justice clarence thomas has taken for many years, until just last june. there was no chance that it would have a majority, but in now, in be a very dramatic final nail in the coffin of the voting rights act which the supreme court struck down in a case in which the section five did not pass discrimination. and this case, it might strike down section two as well. this would have huge implications. >> let's talk about affirmative action cases. there are two of them. they used to be combined. now they've been slip back into two separate cases. tell us a little bit about both of these, and the effect of them. >> the reason they have been split is that justice contending brown jackson has excuse herself in the harper case. both harvard's admission policy on the university of north carolina's admission policies have been challenged by anti
affirmative action cases, arguing that they are policy to consider races one of many factors, discriminate against both white and asian american applicants. even though there have been detailed trials that have found otherwise, there is a giant worry that the court is taking these cases and what it will do. it will use it as an opportunity to overturn long-standing precedent that has said that race among many factors can be considered. the irony in these cases is that some of the states were from -- they have been trying to figure out how do we bring it back to ensure that there are diverse and fair learning spaces for people in higher education. understand the deep value for their students and for their communities. >> let's talk about discrimination case out of colorado. it's very similar for the wedding cake case a few years. back what designer would like to a few service to gay
customers, and the question, is can they do that? how is this case different from the colorado wedding cake case, and why is the court hearing this case now? >> you're absolutely right, ali. this is very similar. the only differences in the wedding, case the court of the question of whether or not it was a violation of the first amendment, free speech right, free exercise of religion rights. to refuse to bake a cake and perform a service. they'll probably confronted squarely. this is a website designer who says all make websites for gay couples, i just won't allow them to advertise gay weddings on my side. the question is, can she do that. now the court could rule a little more narrowly and say that artists have a ability not to be compelled to get to speak messages they don't. like it could, more broadly, a strike a hole through the heart of antidiscrimination laws and say that anyone who doesn't want to perform services for gay couples can do that. it's if they have a legitimate religious belief. this is at the heart of the
conflict between antidiscrimination laws and exercise of religion that the court has been confronting in a whole bunch of cases this year. for that reason, it could be hugely significant. >> the image behind you is the first amendments at the national constitution center. that, of course, prevents the freedom of speech. 15, that the issue, as when the supreme court heard the wedding cake case in 2018, it was, i'm not going out on a limb here, less conservative than it is today. maybe the court won't scored around that issues the way jeff just described. it will, say yeah, totally okay to discriminate against someone if they're gay. you can't -- provide a service to you because of the bases of my beliefs. what do you think? >> you know, we're preparing ourselves with that kind of upside down -- which would be in such sharp contrast from where people in this country are. people in this country don't want to tolerate discrimination. at the heart of it as we're talking about, if someone is
opening, holding themselves out for a public service and the community, and that includes sailing website designs for a wedding, they basically wanted to say everyone but you. we want to be able to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. that is so not where this country is today. it's shocking that this is where we might be with a court that would encourage discrimination. >> jab, is it possible to, the decision overturned roe was a one-off in terms of the shock value and how bad it was, or is this the first step in a long march that people are going to be very worried about? >> it's the first step in a long march. there's no doubt as the liberal the centers have said that the conservative majority is in a hurry. it's eager to overturn lots of precedents that things remains consistent with the history of the constitution. these cases involving race that
we talk about, the affirmative action case, could indeed overturn key presidents that have upheld affirmative action for decades. and that, sends it would be just as consequential in the area of discrimination as dogs was an abortion. it's going to be another blockbuster turn. huge changes ahead. we should definitely watch it very closely. >> i feel like paypal and you both seem to have money for all that i have learned. that was absolutely tremendous. thanks to both of you for your expertise in your analysis. we all need it right now. i would like to do this again with the. both just very rosen is the presidency of the national constitution center, 50 mccaw screen says the presidency of the national women's law center. that does it for me. thanks for watching. belichick asked me every saturday on sunday morning 8 to 10 eastern. if you didn't see the whole show, it is available on a podcast. you can listen to the show on the. you can find it where we find our podcasts.
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