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tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  October 7, 2022 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT

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rachel will be here on monday. i will see you on tuesday. if you are looking for something to do, this weekend, you can see another project i was working on which is very very different than this one. i'm hosting a little project over on our friends on netflix it's called the mole, the first episode's drop today. that's all i got. now it's time for the last word for it low and's -- good evening, lawrence. so >> we have mandela barnes, fresh off an hour ago, his debate with republican senator ron johnson, there is some amazing exchanges and there. we will have the video of that. he will join us with his own postgame analysis of his own debate. >> every senate race in this country is the most important senate rate of this country. and mandela barnes is a fascinating candidate. that's great, lawrence. >> thank you, alex. ate. >> we have breaking news tonight on top of breaking news about herschel walker, the new
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york times revealed tonight that the woman who said herschel walker made her pregnant and paid for her abortion has now also documented for the new york times a second pregnancy that herschel walker asked her to abort. she refused, that child is now ten years old. after that story broke in the new york times, the daily beast, which did their first reporting on herschel walker paid for her abortion, released these text between the woman who first had an abortion for herschel walker, and then had a baby the next time herschel walker got her pregnant. and, herschel walker's current wife. here are those texts. >> did you know herschel pay for my abortion the first time? or that he told me it wasn't the right time to have the baby that she did have. this makes me incredibly sad is the reply from herschel walker's wife. herschel walker's current wife
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does not say anything about the abortion. she says this makes me incredibly sad, you know i have continually try to bridge a better relationship between you and herschel. we are going to have more on this later in this hour, herschel walker's current wife and never, ever responded to the question about what she knew about herschel walker paying for the abortion. we are going to cover more of this later in the hour when we will be joined by georgia residents and new york times columnist charles blow. first, the special master -- in the appropriate -- issued a two and a half page order that indicates the processing of the non-classified documents and the case, appears to be moving smoothly with donald trump's lawyers agreeing with the government lawyers that several documents they have already
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analyzed are not protected by attorney client privileges, or any other privilege. tonight, according to reporting in the new york times, the justice department faces the possibility of having to obtain more search warrants to search more trump properties for more stolen government records and classified records. the new york times is reporting that the justice department suspects what everybody else in the world suspects, which is that donald trump still has more documents, i'm that he has not turned those documents to the government. the times reports a top justice official told former president donald j trump lawyers as recent weeks that the department believes he had not returned all of the documents he took when he left the white house. according to two people briefed on the matter, the outreach from the official, gi brett, who leads the departments counter intelligence operations is the most concrete indication
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yet, that investigators are being skeptical that mr. trump has been fully cooperative in their efforts to recover documents. it is not clear what steps the justice department might take to retrieve any material, good thing mr. trump still hold. well, what's the, they tried asking politely for over a year, that's a network. then they tried the to get a subpoena for all of the former residents, that's an hour. then they got a search warrant. they only searched two rooms in a very large residents, a basement storeroom and donald trump's office, where they found classified documents in his desk. and that is not his only desk. donald trump has a desk in his manhattan home at 7:25 fifth avenue. donald trump has a desk at the golf club in new jersey where he spends most of his time in
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the summer. donald trump obviously likes having classified documents close to him so that he can weave them around and show them to people as you has reportedly done. would donald trump believe all of his beloved classified documents in florida when he goes north for the whole summer? if a heroin dealer had three residents with three desks, with the fbi just search for the florida one? and assume the heroin dealer would never take heroin with him for the summer and keep it in his new jersey golf club? he would never take heroin with them to what used to be a home he lived in most of the time and midtown manhattan, the place where he hadn't lived the longest of everywhere he has been in his whole life. the new york times reports that the trump team of lawyers disagreed on how to respond to jay brats communication with
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them, and that the justice department does not believe that they have retrieved all of the documents. quote, the outreach from the department prompted a rift among mr. trump's lawyers about how to respond with one camp counseling a cooperative approach that would include bringing in an outside firm to conduct a further search for documents and another and visiting mr. trump to maintain a more combative posture. the more combative camp, the people briefed on the matter said, one out. the question on this friday night is, how combative is the justice department going to be? with the answers to that, we are joined by harriet lifted, former u.s. attorney, and former deputy assistant journal -- general, he is a legal affairs columnist for the los angeles times. and bradley moss, a national security attorney. and ben rhodes, former adviser to president obama. the msnbc political analyst. harry, i want to begin with you
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on this order from the special master tonight. it is not an easy documentary, two and a half pages, i did my best with it. i tried to decipher it. have a feeling about what is going on there, but what do you make of it? >> here is the deal, lawrence. they're the documents, not the classified ones, remember, that he is reviewing. 90 or so of them are making a claim of attorney client privileges, they will call bold and short on that which is what special master's new, you would not have needed him here, but that is straightforward. then there are the other 28 documents where he is not claiming attorney client privilege is. this is the most interesting to me. what he is saying he is you give these now to the case team, privilege review team, and case team you can with trump about if there is any executive privilege claim to be made, and get back to me by october 20th. that means by october 20th,
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trump is going to have to come forward with some theory or else why there is any kind of executive privileges to give him some right to the documents. i think the doj's confidence enough that they are letting the case team look at it. they would never let the case team look at attorney-client privilege, is that could be a death count for them, but they are letting them look and confirm with trump's team, and where trump's team is going to have to come forward in two weeks and say here is why we think these executive privileges documents should come back to the president, and i think there is no legal argument they can make, that will flush them out. >> harry, as our former prosecutor among us tonight, i have to begin with you also on where the justice department stands tonight. here is a guy with three residences that he uses, he's got classified documents in the desk of one of them.
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he has a store room full of classified documents. and he has two other residents. j.a. brad, justice department, communicates the trump lawyers, we think he still has some more stuff. the trump lawyers decide, after a little fight amongst themselves, should go with the combative response to that. what is the justice department, which should be the justice department's response to the combative response? >> they are going to be as combative as they can to be under the law. i want to be clear about that. first 0.1, when jay bradley says that, that is not casual, they have good reason to think, that it's almost like a soft target letter to trump, you are really flirting with the exposure for obstruction. but, remember, probable cause, you need to get a warrant, probable cause the evidence of a crime is at a particular place and it is fresh. i think they just don't have it yet.
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i had it before on august 8th, because they had someone who was saying that the day before, this is their, i think they don't have it yet, it's not that they are being skittish or squeamish, they don't have the legal tools at their disposal to force him to cough it up. they are giving him stern warnings that this is compounding the pace of obstruction against them. >> a quick follow-up, i know everyone in the audience out there, millions of people say wait a minute, you found a bunch of classified documents at one of his homes, why isn't that enough probable cause to search the rest of his home? >> probable cause means more likely than not for specific reasons. you are going to find out there. it's a pretty good surmise, and brad has, it but he has four different homes, you have to specify which one, give real reasons to the magistrate, they don't have it right now
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otherwise they would have storms in and served another one. >> bradley moss, say you have a client who they already found hundreds of classified documents in his possession in three different loads of stuff you obtained, including one from a search warrant, and the government says to you as a lawyer representing that person, we believe he has more, what are the burdens that are on the lawyers to respond in a situation like that? where do they run into possible risks to themselves in that situation? >> sure, the lawyer is still permitted to defend the client, not necessarily, under any circumstance, to put their client in greater jeopardy, or to admit or confess anything. but you do have an obligation to make sure whatever you say to the government of the lawyer
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for the clients, you have sufficient reason to believe he is going to be truthful that you are not committing perjury, and you not are not assisting the client in committing some sort of crime to conceal things. there is very much a fine line, and needle you have to thread here in terms of how much do you push back on the client? how much do you try to ensure the client has actually complied with their obligations while still remembering, your obligation is to the client. you have to protect their rights, they still have rights, donald trump still has rights, and also maintaining the ethical obligations as well and not committing a crime in your own actions. it's a very fine line they have to walk. i certainly think they should've gone with the less combative approach, that's what the lawyer was brought in to do to fix, would have been a lot better for donald trump. of course, his worst angel has always been out. >> ben rhodes, i vividly have
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been my had the description of the where you had to handle these classified documents when you were working in the white house. even that description of having a burn bag where they, at certain points, and up because after you read them, the next thing for them is they must be burned, for some of these documents. when you hear about the way these documents were held at donald trump's florida residents, and they continued, apparently the suspicion from the justice department, that donald trump still had some, he has them somewhere, he's got them in new jersey, he's got of in manhattan, he's got more of them in other rooms, in florida that they did not search. what are the dangers of him continuing to hold these documents? >> well, the dangers are that they will be exposure of u.s. intelligence, sources and
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methods, human beings around the world help us gather information. sensitive intelligence collection program using technologies around the world. or even assessments the united states have provided by the governments. who wouldn't want that information out there? we know regarding the french president, at mar-a-lago, that is already probably creating a stream, a really important alliance because the french president is probably wondering why the assessments, or information relevant to me down in mar-a-lago? both are what i said, lawrence, to transport classified documents, as i sometimes had to do for the secure facility that the white house had, let's say an abandoned air force one, i used to carry it in a lock bag. literally a bag that has a heavy zipper, a heavy difficult to destroy exterior and a lock and key, right? these are not documents that are meant to be hanging around trump tower or mar-a-lago, or
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benjamins, any of these places that are totally not secure. they are filled with people walking through their. they have been intelligence targets for the chinese intelligence service, the russian intelligence service, the iranian tell intelligence service. do you think they have not been trying to get people in the door at one of these parties in mar-a-lago when his whole tournament was there? of course they have. the danger it could expose really sensitive secrets of the u.s. government. i think the part of what the justice department, or the u.s. intelligence committee has done is reverse engineer, what kind of information was not returned to us by president trump? what kind of information have we heard from people who worked for him, was he kind of taking with him into the residence of the white house that might have disappeared in one of these boxes? they probably have some really good idea of what they're concerned about being out of the custody of the united states government. they are inform all of this, all of the interest in recovery
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when donald trump was taken. again, the thing we don't know is why did he take these documents and to what purpose? that is information that ultimately will come out. >> that point about purpose has never been responded to by trump in any way. bradley moss, one reason we know that there are more is that the our cards have said that there are more. the archives in communication on the january 6th committee said we do know that we do not have custody of everything we should. and so that is kind of where this began for the investigation before the justice department got involved. the national archives saying we do not have everything, and that eventually brought in the justice department. >> you have, this is the national archives doing exactly what they are supposed to do, this is their job in the situation. they are the repository for these records, especially for presidential records. this is their job, it's
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laughable when you see the commentary from former president trump calling them this leftist organization. national all cars are the supreme nerves of the u.s. government, they are important people, they are the librarian that oversees everything. that is all they are doing. they have a laundry list, grocery store list of things they know are supposed to be there that was supposed to be turned over. here is from this file that we know is missing. here are these records on these letters from king joan who, things like that. that's all they are looking. for the document archive, the fact that they can't get all of that, they can't identify where the remaining pieces are is why this remains such a serious concern and they are pushing as hard as they are. >> from the fbi inventory from what they found, 48 folders previously containing classified records, 40 empty folders designated for sensitive documents and large returns to staff secretary and
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military aid. what used to be in those folders? that is one of the ongoing questions. bradley moss, harry litman, ben rhodes thank you so much for starting us off on this friday night. >> have a good evening. >> thank you. coming with breaking news in the georgia senate race, the new york times is reporting tonight that herschel walker urged his former girlfriend to have a second abortion after he paid for her first abortion. the daily beast has published new text messages in that case. georgia resident and new york times columnist charles blow will join us next. ow will join us next. will join us next. my name is wendy, i'm 51 years old, and i'm a hospital administrator. when i talk to patients you can just see from here up when you're wearing a mask. and i have noticed those lines
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look at his record, and you look at mine, and be very clear, there is a stark difference between the two of us. the difference between me and my opponent cannot be more obvious. i think that we have seen some disturbing things, we have seen a disturbing pattern, and it raises real question about who is ready to represent the people of georgia in the united states senate. >> that was rafael monarch a competing for reelection today, as former for football player herschel walker, who was chosen to run for senate by donald trump, faces more revelations from a former girlfriend who says that he urged her to get an abortion in 2009 and paid for her abortion in 2009. the new york times is reporting tonight that the still unnamed woman is the mother of herschel walker's ten year old son who was born after a pregnancy that herschel walker also wanted to
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abort. the new york times is reporting that the woman says herschel walker, quote, paid for her abortion abortion 2009 and he urged her to terminate a second pregnancy. two years later, they ended their relationship after she refused. in a series of interviews, the woman said mr. walker had barely been involved in their now ten year old son's life, offering little more than court ordered child support and occasional gifts. as a father, he has that nothing, he does exactly what the courts say, and that is it, she says. they have to be held responsible just like the rest of us. if you are going to run for office, you need to own your life. the women's show the new york times the 575 dollar receipt for her abortion procedure, and a copy of a check from herschel walker reimbursing her, as well as a get well card signed by herschel walker. all of the documentation had already been cited in the daily beast's original reporting of
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the store this week. new york that time for their attic tonight is that there was a second pregnancy in the relationship, and herschel walker wanted to end that second pregnancy also. the woman's refusal to end that pregnancy ended their relationship. the times reports that one year after the child is born, quote, the woman filed for child support in manhattan where she was a graduate student at columbia university and struggling to make ends meet, according to a statement from her lawyer at the time, mr. walker was initially ordered to make payments first of $2,500 a month, and later $3,500 a month. the times reports that herschel walker's current wife asked the woman in june, quote, to publicly vouch for mr. walker's on time child support payment in an effort to make the case that mr. walker was responsible. the woman said she declined. just a few hours ago, the daily
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beast followed the times reporting with even more messages between the still anonymous woman and herschel walker's current wife. they published this text exchange in which the anonymous woman asks walker's wife, did you know herschel paid for my abortion the first time? or that he told me that it was not the right time to have their child. walker's wife responds saying this makes me incredibly sad, you know i have continually tried to bridge a better relationship between you and herschel, pushing the child first, i witnessed every day herschel pray for you, the child, and everyone in our family. i have seen him call and text regularly to have a relationship with the child, and he gets no response. the sadness when he does not hear back. he always strives to be more than financial support. god is a good god, i love you
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both. the woman and then responds, are you kidding me? stop it, stop lying. joining us now is new york times opinion columnist cultural blow. and i'm assemble bc political analyst, and a resident of atlanta, georgia. you are in the middle of this cross fire in georgia tonight that charles, what do you make of this latest round of revelation upon revelation. now we are getting text messages between herschel walker's current wife and the woman involved in the abortion story. >> listen, abortions are not the problem. everybody should have the option to get a safe abortion. that is not the problem for herschel walker. the problem is that he appears to have lied about it. he appears to have a campaign where he was so antiabortion, that there is no exception of
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any sort in cases of women pregnancies for abortion, and this is the same man who appears to have not only paid for an abortion, but try to pay for another one. it is the hypocrisy of it all that kind of changes people. that is a thing here. i think, you know, what we are seeing is that nothing really pierces the bubble. maybe this does. but you have a republican electorate that wants to hear is that soothe more than they want to hear truth that hurt. herschel walker has a lot of truths that hurt. he is taking the path that trump took, just an. i tell them alive, they want to hear a life, they want to believe some the other venture. with the truth is not in these guys favor. >> the most recent why he is
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told about this, which is now a prove-able life, he has been saying all week i have no idea who this could be! he said that on fox, he said this to him you were, he said this to all the right wing radio on tv. he lied all week saying i don't know who this could possibly be. >> right, you can say if you know someone who just wants to flip the senate, georgia seat, you can say, okay, he is trying to get out of this embarrassing thing, but you can't say that this person wanted to abort this child and aboard this pregnancy, this is a person who believes that, you know, this is a child of conception. a person that believes there is no exceptions, right? you can't have both of those things. you also cannot have a person who has nothing to do with the trial. that's with the mother
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basically said. three meetings in ten years? how do you wrap that up. how do you, as christian conservatives, make that make sense? >> he started the campaign with one acknowledged child, let's listen to his son, christian walker has said about this. >> family values, people. he has four kids, four different women, was not in the house really one of them. he was out having sex with other women. you care about family values? we were told at the beginning of this he would get ahead of this, hold themselves accountable, all of these different things, that would have been fine, go ahead, he did not do any of that. everything has been alive, everything was downplayed, everything was cutting corners. the whole thing. >> he started off as a supporter of his father's candidacy. what is your reaction to that, charles? >> listen, christian is problematic onto himself.
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i understand that. i understand also, however, he is probably hurt by all of this. you can be a really toxic person and also have feelings that get hurt. both of those things can be true of christian walker. it is true that christian walker is a very toxic person. the message there is still the message. which is, he is not, in that segment, saying things that are not true. these are the facts that herschel walker is like. by the time we get to election day, herschel walker can have 12 kids running around. >> charles blow in the thick of it, in atlanta through this campaign, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. >> absolutely. >> thank you. coming up, wisconsin's lieutenant governor just wrapped up his senate debate, senate campaign debate with republican senator ron johnson. he will join us next.
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>> that was right wing trump for shipping republican senate ron johnson, it is the bit with the -- mandala barnes. today, president biden said this about ron johnson's plan to cut social security and medicare. >> senator in charge of the election public is in the senate this, year proposed a plan to put social security and medicare on the chopping block every five years. and the senator from wisconsin, ron johnson, he thinks waiting five years is too long. he says social security and medicare should be on the chopping block every single year. >> ron johnson is echoing republican senators who have been saying that for decades about social security. ron johnson, who supported banning all abortions, is now walking back from that position and proposing a statewide referendum for wisconsin voters to decide the future of abortion in wisconsin. >> the question that has to be answered is at what point does
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society have the responsibility to protect life? it's just that simple. >> when you take a position like that, there is so much that you don't always see. let's talk about texas as an example. there's a woman who had to be hooked up to a breathing machine because she had complications with her pregnancy and cannot get an abortion. it ten year old coral at a higher was raped and had to cross state lines to get an abortion, that is ron johnson's america. the senator would rather make a political point and do the right thing to protect families and protect the health and women. >> when ron johnson tried to portray himself as a supporter of law enforcement, this happened. >> whenever i see a police officer, i go up to him and say thank you for your service. if i have time, i say please don't be dispirited by the allowed of you who are trying to defund you. >> i'm sure he did not have the same interaction with the 140 officers who were injured during the january 6th
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insurrection. one officer stabbed that middle steak. another crushed between a revolving door. another hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. when we talk about respect, let's think about the 140 officers who left behind because of the insurrection he supported. >> that was the governor of wisconsin, the democratic candidate of the senate. thank you very much for joining us tonight after this debate. for you, what is the most important point that ron johnson made in the debate that you need to answer? >> well, the thing is, ron johnson can't be trusted, ron johnson can't defend his dangerous abortion -- view on abortion, he went behind -- for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. you can't defend your position on january 6th. he can't defend his decision when it comes to shipping good paying jobs out of state and overseas. ron johnson continues to leave working people behind. he definitely cannot be trusted
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with our help or to keep us safe. i will tell you, there is big money interests that are supporting him. ron johnson has had an unprecedented sense sum of money that was dumped into this race to try to discredit me. we need help. go to mandela barnes dot com, it will give you a huge difference to get rid of this person who does not care about your rights. absolutely vote to -- another national abortion ban. someone who will go to the same length you want to last time to overturn a free and fair election if he does not like the results. >> the latest poll shows you, in a straight tie, 47 to 47 with ron johnson. a poll for the people of wisconsin shows only 5% support for a total ban on abortion, which has historically been the ron johnson position on this, even though he seems to be trying to get away from that position that it supported only by 5% of the people in
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wisconsin. where is abortion in the priority list for voters in wisconsin? >> it's an issue of freedom. this is about personal choice, peoples rights. politicians should not be able to get in the way from making this decision. doctor should not be criminalized for guiding women between the most decision -- difficult decision of their lives. i'm an only child, but i'm not my mother's only pregnancy. my mother had a pregnancy before i was born, it was complicated, she had to get an abortion. under ron johnson's plan, my mother would have been criminalized for making the best decision for her health. it's two out of touch, to extreme, it personal for me, it's personal for so many others across the state, and so many others across the country. people are way closer to abortion stories than that even realize. that's what -- that's why ron johnson is trying to walk back. he cannot, the evidence is clear, any thoughts about this referendum, he knows that is not reality, it will never happen. >> the social security issue is something that republicans have
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been saying, they have been saying what ron johnson has been saying, for decades, literally for decades, but usually when they say it, they do get in trouble politically, and they tend to run away from it as we have seen, as it seems to, be that's what ron johnson is doing in the debate tonight. he has said that social security should come up for regular funding reviews. there should be nothing automatic about it. you should absolutely have no right to get a cost of living increase in social security, automatically, because the cost of living has gone up. and this year of inflation, the cost of living increase for social security is the largest it has been in many years. ron johnson, and many many republicans, have always oppose that. what was he saying tonight about his new position on social security? >> well again, another issue he tried to walk away from. the reality is, people have worked their entire lives for
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the social security benefits that they received. ron johnson simply does not think they should have. it ron johnson is only enough for his wealthy donors. that's what i said before the debate, if you are a multi millionaire, or a donor to his campaign, sure, he might look out for you. but if you're like the rest of us, the working class person in the state, times are going to be tough. he -- every chance he gets, that's what a snake with, those people's retirement security, people's right to make their own health care decisions. it is all on the line right now. ron johnson has no problem taking that away from. you >> has ron johnson pledged to abide by, and accept the results of this election? >> i don't know if that is clear for sure, i know certainly i have said i would accept the results of the election. you have to ask him directly about that one. you saw what happened when he did not get the election result he liked in 2020. he tried to send fake electors to the vice president. tried to say his involvement
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said before, the entire police department has been suspended. the entire police department, for the school district in uvalde, texas. was suspended today. a school district put out the statement today which reads in part, recent developments -- with department operations. as a result, the district has made the decision to suspend all activities of the uvalde's consolidated independent school district police department for a period of time. officers currently employed will fill other roles in the district. officials have not said what the recent developments are that provoked this. the district placed lieutenant miguel hernandez on administrative leave. hernandez had taken over for the fired police chief, pete arredondo. yesterday, the school police fired officer crimson elizondo
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who joined the department after the mass murder at robb elementary school. she was fired after a cnn report on wednesday revealed she was not only on campus during the may attack as a texas state trooper, but under investigation over her actions while a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers in which she was recorded on video saying, if my son had been in there, i would not have been outside, i promise you that. >> joining us now is texas state senator gutierrez, he represents the 19th district which includes uvalde. senator, thank you for joining us. you have been an invaluable guide for months now through this tragedy. it is a small dippy police department, six or seven members. what brought this about? the basically temporary to
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spending of it, at least? >> thank you lawrence for having me. i think we have to put this in perspective. so harvey from so many people. 19 children died, two teachers. god knows how many children would have been saved if the police had gotten there on time. the average mass shooting is -- this one lasted 77 minutes with 90 plus police officers stood around, like elizondo who was within the department of public safety. it has taken parents and some investigative reporting to finally get something done. and yet, this governor has failed to do anything for these people that is of merit which -- we actually have to go to the next step and start looking at the department of public safety and that has not happened today yet, lawrence. >> the department of public
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safety which is a state police force under the control of the governor, was the largest police force that was present that day. and all of the heat, all of the pressure, has been on this tiny six, seven person police force that was assigned to those schools. why has there been no momentum toward discovering what the state police were doing? >> you've had one district attorney, republican district attorney, who has said that there's a criminal investigation, and therefore she cannot release the data, lawrence. as of ten days ago, she met with the parents and said, i cannot, i'm not going to indict anybody. but i'm not going to release anything until after -- ironically, we have an election on november 8th, as you know. it's astounding to me that we can't get to the real information so that we can give these families some sense of closure, so that we as policy makers can get something done. we are here today because
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people have chosen, and made choices, and those choices have been to not tell the truth. the department of public safety, as you, know and have reported, is time, and time again doled out misinformation that the people of uvalde in the people of texas, in a wholly grossly, negligent manner. we need to do better. this governor needs to ask for accountability. >> what does it say to people outside of uvalde, and their public school systems all over the state of texas? that hasn't been a state level of accountability here. >> well, you are right, lawrence, there hasn't been a state level of accountability, the so-called leaders of the state, the republicans that are in charge, they say we have done something, they'd rolled out $100 million, 50 million of which were four ballistic shields. we had plenty of ballistic shields. long guns, everything else. we need it $100 million worth
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of -- the fact is, we had everything we needed to go into the room, and yet the leaders have not fixed the basic problem and texas, lawrence, which is access to guns. the common denominator is young man having access to militarized weaponry. this governor, because he is lost in his own ambition, refuses to a top of the basic things. it says to the public, i guess that they don't care about us. >> texas state senator, roland gutierrez, thank you for joining us tonight, appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. tonight's last word is next. avoiding triggers, but still get migraine attacks? qulipta™ can help prevent migraine attacks. qulipta gets right to work. keeps attacks away over time. qulipta is a preventive treatment for episodic migraine. most common side effects are nausea, constipation, and tiredness. ask your doctor about qulipta.
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