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next. >> the clock is ticking. the january six committee has just over two months to get trump to comply. republicans win back the house in the upcoming midterms. the committee will not be allowed to continue in the new year. beyond that, kinzinger says, quote, the torch has been passed to the doj. attorney general merrick garland facing growing calls to clark charge trump from a former deputy ag. >> the system isn't able to say, well, yes we have this evidence. we know this happened. we know the president of the united states did this. we are going to take a pass. >> we can't take a pass. that is about about a thing. i would say it's the worst thing than anyone can do to our system of government. >> according to the atlantic, garland is preparing to indict trump despite moving at the cautious pace of an institutional -- garland arguably delete allied on his way to the fight. now that he's entered it, he's battling as if the reputation of the doj depends on winning it. joining me to discuss, the

congressional reporter for the guardian, a former u.s. attorney barbara mccray, she's an msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. university of alabama professor joyce, she's an msnbc contributor and former u.s. attorney. it is good to see you all. you understand garlands reverence for the justice department. his nonpartisan approach. do you think he's coming around to a trump indictment? >> i think we will find out the day we see an indictment issued by the justice department. the reality is, we can read the tea leaves. we can speculate. these calls are closely guarded inside doj. what gives me some confidence here that we are headed in that direction, alicia, as you pointed out, garland really is the consummate institutionalist. he believes that the institutions are essential to moving forward as a rule of law country. he believes the institutions are worth protecting. that is caused him criticism by

the public. they thought he was too cowardly or perhaps just too slow to act. it would be a benefit if he does ultimately decide to indict. it means he will be thorough. he will be measured. he will have thought it through. this won't be any sort of a half baked indictment. it will be really a top level sort of an effort by the justice department. >> i want you to talk us through your new reporting. what is trump's mindset about speaking to the january six committee? >> i think it's not made a. i think he thinks he's the best spokesperson for himself, if he goes before investigators he will be able to cheer his name and convince the january six committee that their own investigation is -- that's the thing he's been a stressing to the aids. the aides have told me that he wants this, quote, pound of flesh. there's an element here that trump has started to realize the pitfalls of testifying in an ongoing investigation. not least in new york state

attorney's investigation when he invoked his fifth amendment right more than 440 times. i think there's a bit of a push and pull here inside his own head. he wants to testify, at the same time you know it's probably the worst thing he could do because he might incriminate himself. >> i am going to guess that if you are his attorney, he would tell him that it is in fact a terrible idea, feel free to correct me if i am wrong. i also want to ask you about committee member schiff sharing that some trump advisers, they were incredible witnesses. here's what one potential example from the hearings. take a listen. >> the subcommittee has obtained a message that jason miller, a senior communications adviser said to mark meadows less than a week before january 6th. i got the base fired up, he wrote in all caps. he sent a link to this page on the donald dot. when our lawmakers and congress can lead one of two ways. one, in a body bag, two, after rightfully certifying trump the winner.

mr. mueller claimed that he had no idea about the hundreds of comments like these in the link that he sent his to mark meadows. >> if i had seen something like that, i probably would have -- i would have said like this for secret service or something of that nature. >> the reason i play all that for you, how then does the committee deal with false testimony and other efforts to obstruct the investigation? >> first, alicia, i will say that you are absolutely one hunted percent correct in your guess that if i were trump's lawyer i would advise him not to testify. saying things at a rally, putting on truth is one thing. testifying under oath is quite another. i just don't think he has the discipline to do that in effective ways that avoids stating lies that could get him prosecuted. here there is a lot of evidence

out there about his intent, about his knowledge. s if you were to go before the committee, the red cross examine him quite effectively and try to pin him down on these kinds of things. i also think that they may be reluctant to give him an open microphone and to spew disinformation, even if he wants to come in. my guess is going to ask for all kinds of conditions at the committee just can't abide. i want to come in and tell my story without answering any questions. no thanks, it's a nonstarter. i think the expectation he would come in and speak of this information and further harm the democracy. >> secret service already turned over thousands of messages from january six. the committee is asking for all records of the agencies contact with oath keepers specifically. what is that signal to you about the next phase? >> it's interesting, the fact of the matter, they're already starting work on that report. they are still finding new pieces of information, new leads. the secret service angle is

interesting. the oath keepers who are currently under trial for conspiracy seem to have nodes in the administration to various ways. one thing that came out in the trial, the oath keepers chief stewart rhodes thought he was on the phone with someone at one point of the january six who could connect him to trump himself. the fact that they also had a tie to someone, a top level official, i think that -- how that all fits into an investigation. i think the committee is still trying to figure that out. the fact that they are going back to the secret service, the fact that they've got more communication and they're asking for more signals they may actually be more evidence that they will uncover in the weeks ahead. >> joyce, the committee is not planning to subpoena mike pence at least for the time being. here's how member stephanie murphy explained it. take a listen. >> the former president was the perpetrator and the central

figure in orchestrating the effort to overturn the 2020 election. vice president pence was somebody who was a key figure in stopping that effort from being successful. he threw his counsel has been engaged with the committee. we will continue to engage with him and make a determination if necessary in the future as it relates to the former vice president. >> your thoughts on the committee's choice there? >> i hear her keeping the option open. really, there is no other alternative. at some point, mike pence is going to have to testify if there is going to be full accountability for january six. i am not certain it matters as much whether that's in front of the january six committee or in front of a justice department grand jury. perhaps ultimately, a trial. mike pence in some ways is the victim of the former presidents effort to obstruct congress's functions on january six. and many ways, he is a material witness. he had personal 1 to 1 conversations with trump.

you will recall some of the lawyers in the room declined to testify about it, asserting executive privilege. essentially, here is the point person who can put the finishing touches on the story. the public is entitled to know what happened. i think one way or another, mike pence will be telling it at some point. >> hugo, thank you for getting us started, barb, joyce you're sticking with me. january six is just one piece of the legal puzzle facing the former president. next, we turn to the mar-a-lago documents. the doj's new front in the fight against the special master. later, our conversation with jimmy fallon, his new kids book is bilingual and features an adorable chicken bringing the joy of language to kids. we are talking about it ahead. first to richard louis with the other big stories we are tracking right now on msnbc. richard? >> thank you, alicia. and russia, a series of explosions rocked the ballarat region on sunday. hurting at least three people. no deaths were reported. this region shares a border with ukraine, it seen an uptick

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put an end to the special master assigned to examine the government got documents seized from mar-a-lago. friday, the doj appealed to the 11th circuit arguing judge cannon, a trump appointee, aired ordering a special master view. saying trump had no basis to assert executive privilege in the case. kept another very difficult week for trump's legal team. thursday, the supreme court unanimously rejected trump's request for to intervene in the litigation over the classified documents seized by the fbi. as the editorial board for the washington post put, set the latest mar-a-lago ruling underscores the fearlessness of trump's complaints. writing, quote, he has had the opportunity to use an attempt to abuse the courts all the way up to the highest in the land.

three of use justices he appointed. nonetheless, they have rejected his arguments. barbara mcquade and joyce vance are back with me. realistically, should the supreme court rejection shock anyone? >> no, not at all. the whole idea of a special master was really absurd from the start. trump threw up a hail mary requesting one. it landed in the lap of judge cannon who granted that order. every other judge that has looked at this has immediately rejected it. the 11th circuit court of appeals, and now the u.s. supreme court. there is no basis for it. the justice department has argued the court lacked jurisdiction. there is no argument for executive privilege to be asserted against the executive branch itself. there is simply no need for a special master here. i think ultimately donald trump is going to lose these challenges. even the supreme court, three of whom as you mentioned are his appointees followed the law here. i think although it was expected, it was refreshing. >> we've been clear on this

since day one. i have to ask you, the supreme court's order means the trump's legal team is not going to have access to the classified documents that were seized by the fbi. can you give us a sense and pull back the curtain on what kind of impact that has on his legal team? >> so, it's a very interesting question, alicia, why they filed this hail mary in the first place. some of the guesswork involved this idea that what they did what was to have these documents submitted to the special master. either so they could feed them and assess them or perhaps out of a belief that doj and more to the point of the intelligence community would be unwilling to submit those highly classified and very sensitive documents to the special master process. that might pick some of the momentum out of the prosecution. the reality here, what will hands during that trump's team, less access to that tranche of classified documents itself. more as barb princeton, this is

something that we've all discussed a lot here, the fact that judge cannon was in the first place to assert jurisdiction. this was a search warrant that was authorized by a magistrate judge based on probable cause. her exercise of what's called acute a bill jurisdiction here to hear trump's case at all was highly questionable. if the legal system works as it supposed to work, we will hear promptly from the 11th circuit issuing that sort of result, and-ing this whole miscarriage of justice here and permitting doj to go on with its criminal prosecution and criminal investigations unimpeded. >> if and when that happens, where does this go next? >> well, we have to work out the decisions. if we get to that point, what would happen next a case like this, what would happen in a normal case, the justice department would continue its investigation, assess the evidence, and either make a decision to indict the case or

two declined to indict it. if the case is indicted, that is when it comes at the appropriate time for a defendant to challenge a search warrant. donald trump's lawyers could file a motion at that point to suppress any evidence obtained in the warrant saying there was no probable cozy, for example, the search exceeded the scope of the warrant. that would be the place for that. i imagine at some point we may very well see an indictment in this case. that will be the end of. it donald trump will continue this game of delay, disrupt, deflect. throughout the case until it goes to trial. >> i want to ask you about that. barr described it as a game of delay, deflect. i like to describe it as a mary poppins bag full of excuses that comes and seems to be pulling out of. has he exhausted his delay tactics? what else could he do to delay it at this point? >> someone who led a gates in bad faith can always find something new to use to delay a litigation. that is part of the process.

there is always a criminal case a new motion you could file, and interlocutor-y appeal that you can try to take. ultimately, it is up to the judges to enforce the rule of law. that is something that judge cannon, frankly, didn't do at all in those proceedings. the 11th circuit of the supreme court have sort of righted that course. if there is an indictment, as barr points out, there will undoubtedly be effort by the former president to delay any prosecution. to get it far enough down the road that he believes he can control the outcome. it will be on the shoulders of the judges who draw the case. first the appellate panel who hears the appeal if he's convicted. to make sure he's treated like every other lip against and our system. there is no way that trump should be of the law. that's up to the judges to make certain of. we've talked about the 16 committee, we talked about doj, we have talked about the mar-a-lago case. i want to switch to the new

york state case against trump's businesses this week. we learned that trump's lawyers created another company just days before the new york ag filed a lawsuit against the trump organization. the ag says the trump organization, quote, now appears to be taking steps to restructure its business to avoid existing responsibilities under law. raising concerns that the business might shift assets out of state. what reasons could trump's lawyers have for creating this organization? >> this is a clear effort around their legal troubles in new york. if they can set up a trump organization part two, move all the way to that organization, the new york attorney general has no jurisdiction there. i think one thing they might be daring her to do is to freeze the assets so they can't be transferred out of state. she has some cards to play as well. >> barr, joyce, co-host of the

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warnock and herschel walker. it was something to see. >> women of georgia deserve a senator who will stand with them. i trust women more than i trust politicians. one thing i have not done, i've never pretended to be a police officer. [applause] i've have never threatened a shoot out with the police. i am with many police officers. -- >> mr. walker, mr. walker, you are very well away of the rules tonight. you have a prop. that is not allowed, sir. >> next week, former president barack obama heads to town, georgia democrats bringing one of the party's most popular faces to atlanta to make the closing argument. a bomb it will do the same in wisconsin and michigan before election day. joining me now, msnbc political analyst and democratic status and founder of our american

dreams pack, serum amigo. -- a former candidate for the u.s. senate and 2020. sarah, i have been asking this question of anyone who is deep in state politics and comes on the show. what is it we need to understand about the specific dynamics in the georgia electorate? we will talk about these candidates. what is happening in georgia that is unique to georgia that we need to understand? >> georgia in many ways is a microcosm for what's happening in the country. the electorate that stacey abrams will have this year is larger, younger and much more diverse than even the electorate we face in 2018. georgia really is the center of the political universe this year. just as it was in 2020, during the 16 votes for biden and kamala harris. it sent to u.s. senators to keep the majority in congress in the u.s. senate.

we know that this is the front lines here. not just because we see how america is changing and becoming more diverse, voters are younger. we also are seeing now that we are the front lines in the battle to preserve democracy. you are going to see an electorate that is much younger, more female, more diverse and skews heavily that demographically toward democrat. >> we're going to talk, sarah, about what turnout efforts in order for that to happen need to look like. i did want to ask you about friday's debate between warnock and walker. you got that clip that's getting all the headlines and attention the moment walker pulled out a prop police badge. i wonder what it was you took away from friday's debate? >> i took away the fact that herschel walker has lowered the bar exponentially in this race. demonstrated yet again why he is not fit for office. yet again why it should be a very easy choice for george

avoid voters to put seven in a reverend warnock. the stand with the badge is ridiculous after the police department said multiple times to the constitution would have no record of this man ever working for us. they said sorry to this man. we don't know him. he continues to throughout this live repeatedly as he did during the summer and on the debate stage. what i want to draw voters attention to is what senator warnock said that prompted. that senator warnock made it explicitly clear that it was the fact that herschel walker had threatened a shoot out with police officers. had impersonating police officer before. that is again further evidence that this man has not fit to serve in the u.s. senate. >> luckily i did not lose your analysis. sara, during the debate, there was a lot of back and forth between the two. it would seem based on some

early indicators that people are pretty locked on this one, right? there is people who are with walker because they are republicans and they want to see republican women, they are still with him after that debate. after the various stories that have come out about him. i wonder then who you are looking at as you are persuading the universe here? >> there was a lot of back and forth. there was a lot of evidence on that stage that herschel walker is primarily unfit to serve in the united states senate. this is a man who cannot tell the truth, whether it's about his business record, whether it be graduate from college, how many kids he has. he is utterly unqualified to serve the people of georgia in the u.s. senate. you saw that contrast. i think you also saw reverend warnock who time and again has delivered for the state reaching across the aisle just like he has done in the u.s. senate. he has been willing to work with everyone from ted cruz to tommy cooperville. this is a man who knows what it takes to put checks in the

pockets of georgians during the pandemic when they needed it most. it is a man who understands what tapping the cost of insulin means to seniors here in georgia. you simply can't compete with that by flashing a party city badge in the middle of the debate. herschel walker is utterly unprepared and unfit to serve in this office. the evidence has never been mora bonded. the contrast has never been clearer than it was on the debate stage on friday. >> when eta, you have been on campaigns where these decisions about surrogates are made. you have president biden campaigning colorado, california, oregon. you had former president obama who's going to hit a bunch of states, including georgia. talk to me about the strategy there and the messages they can deliver. >> look, president, excuse me, former president obama is still one of the most popular and highly visible democrats. he is going to turn out voters and generate excitement. they know that, that's why they are sending them to the battleground states where he absolutely will make a dent

because keep in mind, campaigns are not only going to show up at this event. volunteers interested in engage voters, what that's like to yield, it's volunteers are going to turn out voters in november and in this early voting period. during the last week of early voting. he is going to emphasize how borders the to turn out to avoid some of the suppression tactics that we know were passed by camp in law. another message is going to lean and on, the act of our democracy. about the reality that is facing people with the six-week abortion ban. we know kemp passed. he's going to go through these issues that resonate with voters to turn that two dynamic energy which is going to feed into film programs and mobilization programs. >> i have about 30 seconds left. i do have to ask you, you talked about that multiracial and generational coalition. was it going to take to turn him out? >> there is no better turnout

machine in georgia than what stacey abrams has built over the last 15 years. there's no better turnout machine and national politics than president barack obama. we saw that when it came down and campaigns in 2018. between the two of them and the efforts of all the organizations who have been doing this work for years in various communities, i think you're going to see record turnout. not only among women, among black voters, among api voters, among the latino community, you're going to see what the new georgia really looks like. i believe they are going to deliver a victory for stacey abrams. >> sarah, juanita, thank you so much. when we return, the growing political power of -- met with a growing number of hate crimes. the director and executive producer of a new film join me live in studio next. plus, my sit down with tonight so host jimmy fallon on his new bilingual children's book. the importance of bringing new languages to kids.

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community and has only gotten worse since covid. since the start of the pandemic more than 11,000 hate incidents have been reported against the community. that number is going against aapi hate it is aiming to track down why this has happened.

>> without or pearl harbor or with japan in the 80s. whether it is 9/11, americans are suffering. they feel pain, fear and i think it is acutely manifesting in the symptom of asian hate. >> rising against asian hate, one day in march exploring the aftermath of these mass shootings where a gunman killed eight people with six women of asian descent in march 2021. joining me now, the documentary ttu an executive producer tina cam. you have chosen a lot of jumping off points for this point. my focus on the shooting? >> i think for us, ellen was kind of an inflection point in what had been two years of relentless attacks against asian americans pre-pandemic.

so, in this film we not only wanted to tell the story of atlanta. we wanted to track what happened at the beginning of the pandemic and some of the rhetoric that was coming out of elected officials. >> we want to look back to that rhetoric, it is critical to the film in this conversation. we also decided to really focus on these victims to tell their stories. and remember when we were originally pointing out the story, it was difficult to get access to tell these stories appropriately. that was important for you to center these voices? >> these women were our mothers, we need these women. there are sisters, neighbors. maeve had screenings with this film across the country, people come up to us and said thank you so much for telling these women stories. they wanted to make sure that their memory stayed alive. the fact that they -- they sacrificed so much. obviously, it was their lives for us. i remember being --

how hard they had worked with a sacrifice order to give the kids a better life. as gina said, these women are part of our community. they are the moms in the ants. in the aftermath of what happened in march 16th, a lot of that was lost in the reporting. so, we also wanted to remind people who these people were. >> the film examines the challenges for law enforcement investigating hate crimes against the asian american community. take a look. >> the shootings in atlanta reveal the prosecuting hate crimes in that presents unique challenges compared to other targeted groups. >> we have a lot of instances where there was news to tell and workplaces. we know what that means. it was geared towards intimidating black workers. in the jewish community, there is a naughty symbol. but towards asian american communities, we don't have one

symbol are multiple symbols that signify the ideology of asian americans. >> i think they have a lot of work to do in terms of how they can respond to not just asian american community, but also all marginalized communities. i heard earlier in the segment, talking about how they build a community. a lot of things about this film is a look at how the community comes together, the resiliency of the community in the face of a lot of these neglect from law enforcement. especially with the challenges we are talking asian americans, the huge social status for that exist in the community itself. he also said, something i want to make sure that we get to. it's the rhetoric that has haunted us. and even as we are sitting here this weekend, the former president trump was making anti

jewish comments. we have seen the results of those antisemitic results. we have seen with a hate filled rhetoric has rendered. i mean, were you able to track a corollary between that rhetoric and the rise and crime that you saw in the community? >> we stop aapi, it has a new study out that found the perpetrators who attack asian americans, these incidents often repeat the language of politicians have said. it's blaming for the covid virus. when we channel 4 the economic national security concerns. absolutely, words matter. if consequences. we have seen the consequences of calling covid the china virus and calling it kung flu. that is a lot of dangerous situations. part of what i found -- >> there is a contemporary moment that we find ourselves in.

it has built upon a legacy of racism in this country. it has led us to this moment. i have found a historic element of the film really critical and understanding how it is that we arrive at this moment. the lack of reckoning that allowed it to fester right under the surface. >> i think the history part we have been here throughout american history in asian history. just like black history, just like latino history. it is part of american history. we wanted to show that asian americans have been here, we have done the work. just because more ignored doesn't we were not here. >> there wasn't really reporting after the 2020 election, the constitution reporting -- it was identified as asian americans. the pacific islanders rose across the country. but the increase was among the most stark in georgia. participation rose by more than 80%.

nearly a third of all such voters in georgia lived in that county. they were asian american and pacific islanders went from 6% of the total voting electorate in 2016 to a little more than 9% in 2020. and that is a huge jump, it's not driven solely by demographics. >> absolutely, a 10% increase in 2020. historic turnout nation american voting in the election. and it would be very interesting to see what happens in the midterms. i think a lot of people see the power shift in the u.s. senate is that asian american voters coming up for more -- so, asian americans have been ignored by the political system for a very, very long time. and i think that now that they are building power, grabbing power it would be very interesting to see how the democratic party in the republican party address this community. as someone who followed this story very closely, i am so grateful for your work on it. you just can't do it justice in

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in my life. i had the opportunity to learn another language. i did dedicate this book to my spanish teachers. miss sherman and miss wasn't skate and mrs. -- she taught me spanish. the greatest standard teacher. it is a public school, we did what we did. i do love learning, my kids are learning spanish now. i just wish i started early just so kids can see you can, it's cool, it's fun. just grow of that. like, oh, i can do that. i will learn a bunch of languages. it has an index in the back of the book, a glossary that has all the words to learn. all phonetically had to say every word. even if you don't know how to speak spanish, you can be like, okay patina are and you can do that. and byler >> i do appreciate you don't want people just

speaking spanish, you at them speak it correctly. it is so interesting to me, andrea. you're a little bit younger than i am but when we are growing up there weren't books that were celebrating bilingual isn't there a way this did. for you as a kid, being first dan, what would this have meant to? you >> it would've been exciting to see a language that i spoke at home represented out in the world. when i was a kid, i grew up in a time were speaking spanish wasn't cool. i just remember at school i was explicitly told leave it at home. there's a different version of yourself here. knowing that i have got to work on a project that is promoting bilingualism, it is teaching kids spanish. it is special. >> i have a question, how many did you draw before you got to the chicken? >> 100 of them. i have so many drawings of chickens now. i didn't know you could draw a chicken. >> it really is probably 100 chickens. >> he's like, cuter, rounder, cuter. >> okay, i'll make it cute. >> how did you know that was

the chicken? >> it was round and squishy like an egg. i loved it so much. as soon as i saw it, i loved the happy eyes. yeah, it just fits. it is great. can we see him indifference iterations? like skateboarding. . look at the little helmet and hat. it's so cute. >> i have to ask you, you come from a family of artists. who didn't get the chance to be artists. here you are making your living as a working artist, working alongside another working artist. what does that mean to you? >> it's an incredible blessing, also i think at times there is this added pressure that because so many folks in my family didn't have the opportunity, they weren't able to carve the path out for themselves i have the weight of their dreams on my shoulders

too. i think it's beautiful in the sense that they are pushing me forward as well. i am doing for this for myself, i'm also daytime other and my grandfather whom i am using their talents. their talents live within me. now i am getting to pay that forward and hopefully make it easier for the next generation of latino, creators to get out there and follow their artistic dreams. >> it is the greatest. it is so fun. when you have a book for kids, i did it starting as a joke when i did a book called -- it was funny. when you see a kid reading your own book back to you, get ready. it is an awesome feeling. it is emotional and so cool. you're like, yeah, we put this out. we are changing and making the rather better place. it is just fun. it is con pollo, you're not eating the chicken, you're doing something with it. people are going to learn a

language through us and this book. it is the greatest feeling in the world. definitely my spanish teachers would -- [laughs] i can't believe it, this kid is the one that ended up teaming up with jennifer lopez. -- [laughs] that was a word that stuck in my head. i had to put that word in there. that was the way it was stuck in my head. it was so cool, bibliotech a, that's the library. that was my go-to word. now i have around ten words in this book. baby steps. you start with baby steps, and make it fun and easy. grow from there. >> after a quick break, a moment from our interview with jimmy. you did not see it coming. the first time andrea saw the pollo leak from the pay. don't miss it. whenever heartburn strikes get fast relief with tums.

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conversation with jimmy fallon, and illustrator -- about their new. book here's what we got -- andre got her first look at the stuff animal inspired by her drawings. let's take a look. >> there is a plushy, no plays. can i see the passion? >> i would stop you. you're gonna freak out much here. >> oh my god this is what you have never seen my john in a plushy before. >> you made this. you made this!

isn't it accusing you ever seen. i'm a rolling. >> we are thinking us. we have, that we have it. you wait till the end of the interview to cry >> and take a little -- >> business so cool. wow. >> she worked so hard to get to that moment. a delightful moment for andrea we had to share with you. comply was up now, if you miss your full conversation you can catch it later tonight and msnbc.com. that is all the time that i have for today. i'm alicia menendez. i will see back here next weekend at 6 am eastern. you know the deal for more american voices. but for now, i handed over to my colleague lionel of a very important conversation at the top of the show. >> we have a lot of important conversations, it's interesting to see you have a conversation jimmy fallon. i'm assisting found interview everyone else. it's interesting to see you. that must been fun. >> it was, mary thank you so much. >> thanks another