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i'm katie fang in for ari melber. we begin with a reminder of the violent threats facing our country's political leaders. paul pelosi, husband of house speaker nancy pelosi was violent aassaulted in his san francisco home with the assailant reportedly shouting, quote, where is nancy? mr. pelosi, aged 82, was home alone. police say the attacker struck him multiple times in the head with a hammer. he had a successful surgery for a skull fracture, according to the speaker's office. and doctors expect a full recovery. the united states capitol police say nancy pelosi was in d.c. at the time of the attack guarded by security, as she is at all times. a pelosi family member telling nbc news the suspect was trying to tie up paul, quote, until nancy got home. it was when the suspect wasn't

looking that paul called 911. when the police came, the suspect said, quote, we are waiting for nancy. sources identified the suspect as a 42-year-old berkeley resident. there were posts where he posted right wing conspiracy theories about the 2020 election and vaccines. among the charges he could face assaulted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon and elder abuse. echoing the chants of insurrectionists during the january 6th capitol attack. >> where's nancy pelosi? >> where's nancy. >> where are you, nancy? we're looking for you. >> nancy! oh, nancy! nancy! where are you, nancy?

>> this act of violence comes against the backdrop of a huge spike in threats to lawmakers, which have skyrocketed in recent years, increasing 144% since 2017. here's how a secret service agent described today's attack. >> so i think we will find the fbi play a bigger role in this investigation, along with the capitol police and the san francisco police department. but, yeah, this was targeted. and, again, i think it was an intimidation tactic against the speaker of the house. >> joining me live from san francisco is jake ward, reporter with nbc news. jake, thanks for joining us. what more can you tell us about paul pelosi's attacker? >> katie, when we arrived here just after daybreak this morning, the scene was crawling with officers from the san francisco police department as well as the fbi and the capitol

police. but at that point, details were extremely sketchy. all we know is that paul pelosi had been attacked, but everything else was murky. since that time, sources inside the investigation, inside the hospital that took him in and statements from the pelosi family and from nancy pelosi himself are taken so far. overnight, this man, paul pe lowsy, a grandfather in his 80s was sleeping alone in his apartment. because nancy was away there was no armed security on the premises. at that early hour, this attacker breaks into the house through a backyard window using a hammer he brought with him and goes inside and attempts to tie up paul pelosi who somehow engages with the attacker long enough that during the distraction he can dial 911. it is not clear if he spoke to a dispatcher, but a quick thinking dispatcher did in fact dispatch officers to come and do what is

called a well-being check on the house. they received that call at about 2:27 a.m. and arrived shortly thereafter. when they got on to the scene, by that time, david said to them, they are waiting for nancy. and then a struggle broke out with officers in the room. we know david hit paul pelosi several times with this hammer. and new statements from nancy pelosi show not only did he suffer a skull fracture but also wounds to his right hand and arm, which suggests he tried to defense himself with one arm when he was hit there. he entered surgery today and is currently out of surgery according to nancy pelosi's office and is supposed by doing well. from here, the investigation turns to the assassailant. why would he do this thing? he is registered to an address in berkeley, california. but details on his life are sketchy. all we have is looking at his

state of mind and possible motivations is what he said on the premises. he was looking for nancy, he said and what he find of him on social media. we know in recent weeks and months he posted a grab bag of conspiracy theories about the covid response, about january 6th. all of that coming together to give investigators some sense that he was in the grip of a real fever when it came to thinking about nancy pelosi and it may be what motivated him to come here on this night. we don't know how bad paul pelosi was injured, but the picture seems to be slowly coming together here. >> nbc's jake ward live in san francisco. we thank you for being with us. joining me now is joyce vance and former spokesperson for the house overnight committee for republicans. joyce, i want to start with you. you got a suspect in custody.

literally caught red handed in the act with the weapon in his hands by police. so what's next in this investigation? >> so you have to stop. you have to sort of slow your roll a little bit. and investigate thoroughly. rumors start to circulate about the evidence. the important thing here will be talk to all witnesses because the details will matter here. for instance, whether this now defendant was using the hammer as a weapon, trying to use it as a dangerous weapon or using it to break in for a burglary, that will matter when we think about whether this should be exclusively a state prosecution or a federal prosecution and to that latter point determining whether the federal government will get involved will require some insight into the intent that this defendant had. was he hoping to intimidate or interfere with nancy pelosi's

official work? that seems extremely likely based on what we're hearing today. the odds are we will see federal indictments in the next hours or days, but the details will matter. >> jake ward just told us on site san francisco pd, fbi and state police. is there a particular federal charge, though, that this defendant could be looking at because he had nancy pelosi allegedly within his sights when he broke into their home? >> yes, absolutely. there is a very specific federal charge that encompasses defendants who assault family members of government officials. the speaker of the house is one of the designated officials. that's a likely charge. the guidance to federal prosecutors in cases like this is to consider carefully whether it should be a state prosecution. there are plenty of state charges here, katie. you have identified some of them. everything from attempted murder

down to a burglary type charge. often you will see the federal government let the state go ahead. but i think that's unlikely to be the case. the reporting that you just referenced that we now have federal law enforcement involved supports that. and because of pelosi's high ranking position in the government, there are important federal interests to vindicate. so i suspect we will see either both prosecutions vindicating or the federal government taking the lead here. >> kurt, your initial thoughts when you heard that the attacker was asking where is nancy, telling law enforcement we're waiting for nancy. it echoes the demands on january 6th when they were attacking the united states capitol. >> you know, my first thought, katie, was this is the american -- this is the country that the republican party wants us to live in. when you hold up domestic terrorists like those that participate in january 6th as heroes, when you call them

political prisoners, when you say they should be pardoned for participating in that active insurrection, you are sending the message loud and clear that violence is what you want. that trial by combat is what you want. and we have seen time and again that these people will listen to these leaders who are espousing these dangerous views and they will act on them, whether it is through what happened in san francisco or we find out that someone pled guilty to threatening to murder the staff and the congressman eric swalwell. someone in court. they pled guilty to that. these things are happening across this country, and the republican party is further seeping themselves into this extremism, into this radicalism. and the more they continue to do that, the more they pander to this group, the more they call domestic terrorists tourists on a regular day in the capitol, the more this will happen. >> there is a massive increase in threats to lawmakers since

2017. 9,600 threats in the year 2021 compared to fewer than 4,000 in 2017. i mean no coincidence that trump took office in 2016. joyce, what can the justice department do to help curb this political violence that's going on? >> well, the justice department's mission here is very narrowly circumscribed. they can prosecute criminal conduct. that means they can only act after the bad thing has happened. we should expect more from our political leadership. they're the people who should be acting before the bad thing happens. and while it is incumbent upon our elected officials across the political spectrum to condemn this kind of violence, the reality is the people who condone the violence live primarily on one end of that political spectrum. and the republicans should be calling tonight for the leader of their party, donald trump, to

condemn violence and specifically to demand that these sorts of attacks, the attack on nancy pelosi's husband, that they cease. i think it is unlikely that we will see the former president do that. but i think it would be a well respected need to take steps to tamp down the political violence, whether it involves people trying to cast their vote or this sort of outrageous attack on a political figure's family member. and it is incumbent upon people across the political spectrum to insist that that take place and that their leaders lead the way. >> you know, kurt, on fox news, they're already pushing the narrative that this attack on paul pelosi was as a result of california's policies on mental health and crime. let's take a very quick listen to some sound right now. >> you have seen the efforts to depolice, to demonize the police and reduce consequences for crime, to let repeat offenders out without any consequences.

>> this can happen anywhere. that's why crime is a significant part of this election story. >> i mean, kurt, how is it the case that there is such a dichotomy between what is the reality of the crime that has occurred here and the fact that the gop wants to push on fox news that this is as a result of a failure in democratic policies in a democratic state like california? >> yeah. listen, it's -- it's not a coincidence that, let's see, it was gretchen whitmer was the subject of a kidnapping plot. it is not an accident this is the speaker of the house's husband. these are targeted. it is not random. think about the fact that kevin mccarthy a year ago joked about hitting nancy pelosi with the speaker's gavel. it is not a joke when glen downkin is out there making

light of what happened to nancy pelosi. this is a systemic issue that republicans at the highest level, at the highest elected levels they use violence and they joke about it. to them, violence is a laughing matter. all that does is send a message to their audience, to their base that violence is in fact what they want. so it is no surprise that they about on them. for republicans and fox news propagandaists to go out there right now and make light of this is a total disregard for the facts, which is where the republican party lives right now. they don't care about facts. they try to use every situation to justify the venom we see from their base. joyce is right. this isn't extremism from both sides and violence from both sides. this is happening from one corner of the spectrum, and that's the republican party. >> joyce vance and kurt, thank you so much for starting us off in tonight's show. i appreciate both of you. and coming up, barack obama is back on the campaign trail

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threats are at a record high with police opening 2,000 case t in the first three months of this year. reporting on the rise of threats and the dangerous levels of polarization, extremism and radicalization that we face in america today. >> i think it's reasonable and necessary to step back and ask the question, what sort of climate of violence has been created in this country? >> this convergence of my former colleagues of the fbi and law enforcement across the country is dealing with it for the first time. >> one of the marks of the end of a republic is the normalization of political violence. it just is. >> joining me now is the presidential historian michael

b. you know, michael, we just heard the talk about the normalization of political violence. is this sadly where america finds itself now? >> yes, it is. sadly, katie. nice to be with you but terrible night because of what has happened. here is a case where you and i look at the 45 presidents of the united states. all but one have taken it seriously that part of their job was preserving public safety. if there was violence or a riot, they would try to calm it down. once again, donald trump as an ex-president and a president is in a dark category of his own in that from the beginning of that campaign in 2015 he encouraged violence at his rallies. he did this periodically as president of the united states. so in a way what we're seeing today, you know, we have to find out more about the attacker and his motives and i don't want to

get too far ahead of that, but speaking more generally we're at a time where violence is licensed and encouraged by an ex-president of the united states. on top of the fact that january 6th occurred. everything we have learned about january 6th, especially the last few months from the house committee has suggested that a lot of the people who burst into the capitol were doing that with the very big probability that they wanted to assassinate the vice president, mike pence, assassinate the speaker, nancy pelosi, assassinate other members of congress or had a hostage crisis. then combine all of that with the fact that donald trump throughout his presidency in the debates of 2020 and even more so since then has connected with conspiracy theories, cults, domestic terrorists whom he told to standby and stand back during a famous, infamous presidential

debate. so all this leads to the kind of thing that happened today. we don't know that it is up to this incident yet. but we're in a climate where violence is encouraged and a lot of people are encouraged by a former president to think the way you get your political goals, which may be an authoritarian, even fascist society, is by encouraging violence. that's the climate we're in. >> and, you know, michael, we're right. we don't have a clear motive for this particular case yet. however, nbc's ben collins, he tracks extremism and reports that online. speaker nancy pelosi is the main villain, per the right. i want to take a quick listen for you right now. here is speaker pelosi worried about the safety of others on january 6th. >> absolutely. >> they're breaking windows and going in. obviously ransacking our offices and all the rest of that.

that's nothing. the reason we have about personal harm. >> safety. >> personal safety is it transcends everything. >> the concern is personal safety. it transcends everything is what nancy pelosi says. michael, january 6th is another example of violence formed from political hatred. as a presidential historian, have you seen anything like this in our history? >> yes, i have. not personally. but i studied the late 1850s before the civil war when people were beating each other on the senate floor in congress. 1954 when terrorists who wanted puerto rican independence took guns into the house chamber and shot up the floor, shot at four members of congress and maybe more. so this kind of thing has happened. but what's unusual about this time, unlike those times, there is social media. so a sick person can look at

social media and be aggravated by all sorts of conspiracy theories that are crazy. he or she can connect with other people who feel the same way. or he or she can use social media to aggravate others. the result is we are in a situation such as we have never seen before in american history. we are before an election which a substantial number of donald trump wanna bes and others think the root to what they want in politics is violence. all i'm saying is we should be vigilant the next two weeks and beyond the midterm election because this is a time of maximum error. >> these are some dark times. michael, thank you for being here to share your insight. i appreciate you. >> thank you, katie. be well. coming up, the beef has started already. trump snubs desantis in a big way. but first former president obama

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he should have owned up to it, answered the question and moved on, but he can't do that. he's here and he's asking them for their vote for governor but he won't serve four years if he is re-elected anyway. that makes more of an argument why people should vote for me, somebody that does care for them, wants to serve all four years. whereas ron desantis has no intention of doing so. >> with less than two weeks to go, charlie, what is your closing argument to voters? >> it is pretty clear. make sure if you are a woman and you believe in the right to choose, you need to vote for charlie crist because i am a champion for a women's right to choose. if you are in a middle class situation in florida, you are getting crushed by the florida economy, the florida economy. our utility rates are through the roof. the cost of housing is through the roof. the cost of everything is through the roof because ron desantis has his eye off the ball focussing on trying to be

president. if you would like to help us win, please go to charliecrist.com and we will bring this thing home and shock the world. >> desantis is under investigation, as we know as well as being sued for his migrant flight stunts when he used public stunts to ship migrant seekers to martha's vineyard. hispanic voters are siding with desantis on that issue 50% to 43%. why do you think that's the case. >> you don't believe that, and neither do i. i'm in miami-dade right now. and i just finished a fundraiser here, and coming into the lobby of this office building, i ran into several hispanics who said to me they have already mailed in their ballot for us in this election and the reason was because of what desantis did to those hispanics, venezuelans in this particular case, by trying to fly them across the country,

not telling them where they're going, lying to them. one of the people on the plane was a one-year-old child, a baby. another was a pregnant woman. but he didn't care. that is so cold and callus. not only turned off hispanics but all floridans because it is the wrong thing to do. it is not how you treat other people. it is not how you act in humanity. that was an act in indecency and disregard for our fellow human beings. it is wrong and disgraceful and floridans deserve better. >> you know, lest people forget, desantis carried florida by only 32,000 votes out of 8.2 million cast back in 2018. it was a margin that was sonar row it required a recount. but that's a different time. four years later, we're in 2022. it is indisputably a red state, it being florida. charlie, do you think that enough has happened between 2018 and 2022 under desantis' reign

in the state of florida to galvanize voters between now and election day to beat desantis. >> there is no question in my mind. he talks about florida being the freest state in america. evidently not if you are a woman and you would like to make your own decisions about your own body and your own health. evidently not if you are an african american and you would like to be represented in congress by two african american congressional districts that virtually he red lined out of existence completely. and so, yeah, i think there is so many different things. you know, he was at a press conference. kids were standing behind him wearing a mask. he dressed him down and talked down to him in that. he went after walt disney world, a revered icon in my state because they dared to utilize their right to free speech about a law that the governor was supporting. i mean, where does that end? it is unbelievable. so, yeah, he's done enough stupid things to upset people

throughout the state of florida. you know, black or white, gay or straight, young or old that there is a coalition for the decent that want to have a new governor, and i'm confident that come election day, they're going to get it. >> well, you're in the home stretch, charlie crist, democratic gubernatorial candidate in the state of florida. thank you for being here. i also want to note "the beat" has also invited governor desantis for an interview. coming up, elon musk, twitter and donald trump. we got a special guest on that next. at next chnically when enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but there are ways you can repair it. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients. with fidelity income planning, a dedicated advisor can help you grow and protect your wealth.

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hq, let that sink in. come on. that pun cost him $44 billion. just when you thought kanye made the most bizarre entrance, elon is like, hold my sink. >> musk changed his twitter bio to chief twit. not bad. not too bad. >> musk, a self-professed free speech absolutist, has signaled he would relax many of twitter's restrictions on disinformation and offensive speech. although he also released a statement saying twitter would not turn into a, quote, free-for-all hellscape. to that end, donald trump has not been allowed back on the platform yet. joining me now is roger mcnamee, silicon valley investor and long time critic of social media. roger, thanks for being here

tonight. listen, twitter wasn't exactly all sunshine and roses before last night. so how do you expect twitter to change under musk's management? because i'm not sure a lot of us are going to enjoy his idea of a digital town square. >> so katie, i think there are a couple things you want to consider. the first is as you said, twitter has been a national security threat, a threat to democracy, and a threat to public safety for many, many years. way before musk got involved. and the key question is, which musk is going to take over? there are two of them. one is the engineer elon. that's the one who sends rockets into space and makes electric cars. then there is jazz elon, and that's the one we have seen through this entire transaction process. the one that says whatever occurs to him, the one who walks in with a sink. and what's clear to me is that the cost to him and the country of running the company as jazz

elon is it's likely to be a catastrophe. whereas he's borrowed $12 billion, and banks are going to be very interested that he pay the interest on that $12 billion. so one would hope that the engineer elon would be the 1 one who ran the company and he would in fact show some moderation relative to the things he said. that would not be an impossible outcome, but i'm not counting on it. he hasn't said one thing in the whole process to give anyone confidence we can be comfortable with what twitter will be under his leadership. >> i mean, roger, let's talk about that $12 billion debt. you used the word moderation, which i think is key in my next question to you. bloomberg reports musk could reinstate twitter accounts for people like donald trump, marjorie taylor greene, steve bannon, and alex jones. there's a reason those accounts were banned or suspended in the first place. how does elon musk intend on attracting users and advertisers

if, for example, a single word tweet composed of just one racial slur can be retweeted 500 times, liked more than 4,000 times, and still remain up more than 12 hours later since he took over? >> katie, this is a huge issue because fundamentally, what makes twitter important is not the size of its audience but the quality of that audience. it is the platform for politicians, for celebrities, and for journalists. it's where the national policy arguments take place. and as a consequence to the degree you allow harmful speech into it, the degree you have hate speech, disinformation, conspiracy theories, you lower the quality of the discourse that's going on there. and that can be very dangerous. that is why twitter historically has blocked people like donald trump or kanye west. now, i understand the argument, the free speech is a really important thing, but there's never been a guarantee that you

could yell fire in a crowded theater or threaten a politician or attack somebody without cause. and that's the problem with twitter. there is no one on patrol. there is no way in a thing that big to prevent harm from happening. you have to really work at it hard. the big issue that we see today, it seems like musk thinks that twitter is a machine, and he can just fire all the people and it will still work. no matter how much automation you put in these things you still need human beings. you need human judgment in order to make it work properly. and twitter has never really worked really well. it's always been on the edge. i think what he's doing now is threatening it with a catastrophe and we all have to be hoping and praying that it doesn't come to that. >> roger mcnamee, it sounds like you, me, lenders, co-investors and the rest of the twittererverse are going to be watching closely to see if elon musk makes it a rudderless ship or not. roger, thank you so much for being here tonight.

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