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powell tries to force down inflation. let's get right to it. joining me now is full disclosure host, robin, have we gotten the number yet? lass it come out? or are we still waiting? >> still waiting for it to come out. >> we're waiting, all right. another 75. 75 basis points. what is that going to mean? >> i got it tell you, i got a song in my heart, special thanks to the bee gees. because we're dealing with the cpi that's still high and the fed will have to hike ♪ which we just won't like ♪ la la, la, la. and did i just destroy my career? >> i loved every moment of it. >> oh, the title is called how deep is this inflation? i really want to know. and that's the question on everybody's mind. are we going to go to 5%? 6, 7%? how deep is the buying power and
consumer demand in this economy that we have to snuff out and i don't think mr. powell knows. >> we have it official. three quarters of a point. 75 basis points. i was talking to steve retner today about when the bottom is and when we will stop seeing the fed raise rates and he says it's got to get to a point where the rates are higher than inflation and right now there is a real imbalance. talk to me about, if you're going to make predictions, it's so hard to make predictions on the economy, but if you're going to do so, when are we going to stop seeing these hikes? >> i got to say the cry uncle point, very basically, for people, is when you can get something at inflation or north of inflation on a treasury or risk free asset, you saw that with the government savings bond, the savings bond which was selling out and the website was crashing a few days ago. people will put their money in something that protects them from inflation or gives them positive yield and until the fed gets there, i'm not so sure that
4% will do it or 5% will do it, if everybody is concentrating on the headline number, of 8.2%. again, in 1982, paul volker took rates to the mid teens to snuff out inflation. it might possibly have to take us much higher than that. >> it was a lot higher back then. and it is not great for the party in charge. six days out before the election and when you talk to voter, inflation is the number one issue, the economy, inflation, gas prices are too high, and look at everything that is going on, i will blame the party in charge and the president will come out in a couple of minutes and he will try to say later this hour, a little bit later this hour, he will try to say hey, listen i'm trying to do all of these things to tamp down on it to keep the economy humming along, and the employment is very strong, the numbers are so low, how do you explain to voters that these moves take time? >> you can't really thread that needle. will you bring back the congress and white house of 2020 and
blame them from from ppp and enhanced unemployment insurance? in hindsight the benefit of 2020, there was way too much stimulus crammed down the system and the fed remained at zero for way too long and it is now belatedly, with 75 basis points hikes, that is emergency takeback and it may betrayed the fact that the fed is maybe not necessarily ahead of the curve and maybe they don't know what they're doing. >> how long does it take to cycle these things, to see the effects? >> i don't know what normal is. i don't know. i'm not sure that we fully felt the four or five that have been crammed down the system so far. certainly housing has with mortgages above 7%. certainly we feel headline inflation at the grocery store, things that are up 20, 30, 35%. you feel it all the time with gas and housing prices, and everything. but these things do have a lag, and now i think the risk might be i'm balanced toward overshooting. what if you hike too much, are you going to have to announce a
pause? and then cut rates again? i mean do we fall into this quagmire all over again? these are the things, among other things, that keep me up at night. >> when you are looking at gas prices, how much of it has to do with inflation? and how much of it has to do with the war in ukraine and opec+ limiting supply? >> yeah, i mean how do you break it apart? how do you tease it apart? i mean there are factors in this. there is clearly a war premium. russia and opec plus are major producers and we didn't expect this going into this year and things have normalized greatly and if we look back at 200, chevron, exxon, all of them did the rational thing and cut production. they cut capital capital, and now they're -- capital expenditures, and now they're reaping awards of that kind of austerity and it is controversial. the biden administration called it war profit earring, and i don't think any of them want to send the economy in deep recession but we're feeling the crisis at every turn. >> and one of the oil companies,
we said in a headline the other day, record profits once again. >> an embarrassment of riches. exxon boebl earned $20 billion that quarter, no one was calling for their bailout back when they couldn't give away oil two years ago. i'm not here to apologize but you live by the spot price and die by the spot price and the dividend, what is annoying people is they are paying out extraordinary dichds and signing off on share buybacks when they should be upping production and looking forward to a carbon restrained green future and it seems like they don't want to walk and chew gum at the same time. >> and what we have to prepare for now, as rates are going higher and with the winter coming on, europe is certainly preparing for what is going to be a cold and very expensive winter. you can see the energy prices just sky-rocketing in the u.k., which had a headline, talking about the energy costs, heating bills cost and the average winter heating cost is expected to rise $931, and that's up nearly 30% from last year.
that's a whole lot of money for families and who are paying a whole lot of money for everything else and not seeing their wages rise at the same rate. >> and i think we could be taking for granted you could tap your savings to make up the difference with inflation but those savings are being depleted. and you know, this can only last for so long. you go back to your boss and try to get a pay hike, and that then begets this vicious spiral of price inflation that the fed is trying to arrest. and i think it is on everybody's mind, christmas gifts and the heating bills, we haven't really felt the winter yet. >> all right, thank you for the song. sing it one more time. ♪ hyper inflation, i really need to know ♪ because we're dealing with the cpi ♪ that's still too high ♪ >> and cut. >> your voice is an angel, my friend. >> thank you, thank you.
>> take care. >> you can be my friend. thank you very much. again, this is not great news. and not great timing for the party in power, no one wants voters to hear that it's getting harder to borrow money, more expensive to buy a house or lease a car or start a business. especially not six days before an election. so it is on president biden right now to explain to voters how the economy works, and we were just talking about it with robin, it's difficult, what it means to raise rate, and when to expect positive changes. again, a hard thing to predict. he is still going to try to do that from the white house a little bit later today. we're told the president wants to showcase his efforts to expand the work force, highlighting programs created by this administration's marquee legislation, the bipartisan infrastructure law, the chip and science act, around the inflation reduction act. joining me now is washington post senior national political correspondent and msnbc political analyst ashley parker. also with me is punchbowl news
co-founder and msnbc political contributor, jake sherman. so ashley, how does the white house feel it's doing on getting this message out to voters? >> well, on the economic message at least, this is a white house that has struggled for a long time and has really engaged early on going back to last fall, almost a year ago, in some robust internal deliberations about how to handle what you just said, and you know, discussed previously, is a very complicated issue, because on the economy, they do have, in some ways, a positive story to tell. there's certain positive economic indicators, there is also a lot of legislation they have passed that, you know, could ultimately help voters and the public, when it comes to their pocketbooks but at the end of the day, the thing that voters feel the most, which democrats and the white house is also privately acknowledged also for just about a year, is inflation. and until gas prices are lower, until the cost of milk and eggs,
and rents go down, that is sort of the top issue that voters feel, that worries them, that concerns them, when they go to the ballot box, and it's kind of hard to argue compellingly, well, we got the unemployment rate, it is low but at the end of the day, it is harder to buy a house, it is harder to lease a car, and it is harder to even come home with a bag of groceries for your family at the end of the week. >> indeed, it is harder, so jake, voters are talking about the economy. i wonder, though, when democrats across the country, not just joe biden, who is out there trying to convince voters broadly, when democrats across the country are talking about what they had done, how difficult are they finding it to get this message across? >> really difficult, for a few reasons. number one, republicans have spent so much more money, i mean the republican super pac, the congressional leadership fund, has spent more than the d-ccc, the official campaign committee and the democratic super pac
combined. so republicans just have a massive, massive cash advantage that is really difficult to overcome. that's number one. number two, as ashley said, all of these bills that they pass, i mean if you stack this congress up, against other previous congresses, this is probably the most productive congress we have ever seen. american rescue package, the transportation bill, the inflation reduction act, gun legislation, i mean the -- it's been incredibly, incredibly productive, but it seems to democrats that i'm speaking to that they're going home and all they're hearing about is gas prices. yes, they've fallen. yes, inflation might be easing. we don't have any hard evidence of that. it might be easing. but they, all of these pieces of legislation don't really mean much, as ashley said, if they're going to the supermarket and eggs are twice as expensive as they were a year before. and also, one other thing. and this is something we heard at the time and i think we even
discussed on your show. democrats, when they were passing these bills, they felt like they had to squeeze in there as much as humanly possible because they had one bite at the apple so to speak. and now, a lot of them found out, i was just speaking to a house democrat before, what do i talk about in this bill? what does this bill really do? what is the core of this bill that i can go home and talk about it? it does so much stuff that i'm having a tough time as a democrat saying, mentioning and explaining what it does. >> let's go a little bit further and you write specifically today in punchbowl about abigail spanberger and one of the reporters who went down and talked to her, and she is frustrated, here's what she said. i'm an urgency person. did i want to vote for the infrastructure bill six months earlier than we did? yes. vote on the chips bill like a year earlier than we did? yes. at the end of the day, we had delivered all of those things, and so while i was vocal about let's do it, let's do it, let's do it, i mean we did it. so you just said a moment ago, it is the most productive
congress ever, so what is abigail spanberger frustrated about? they're saying it did pass. >> i think she's frustrated, i'm just saying, it was not me as the reporter but channeling many house democrats, they feel if they did it earlier, if they had two years, people might start feeling the effects of these things, these pieces of legislation, the chips bill is going to create lots of jobs, republicans and democrats voted for it, many of these chips fabs, these plants that they're going to build u.s. made chip aren't going to be online, aren't going to be built, aren't going to be activated, until later down the road, and that's a problem for a lot of house democrats, who want to say look what i passed, and look what it is going to do for this community, this economy, this neighborhood, and your jobs. i think that's difficult. but again, you can't overemphasize just the barrage of ads that democrats are feeling across the country, and you're seeing democrats by the way, you're seeing republicans
expand the map into areas they never thought they would be able to get into, and democrats having to defend seats they have no business defending. seats that joe biden won by 19 and 20 points. so i mean it's a pretty grim picture out there. >> new york alone could give back the house to republicans. new york races alone that are super tight. new york races that are super tight for the house. but jake, going back to spanberger and your reporter max, she was complaining about progressives and said that the progressives were forcing these issues to be better than they were on paper already, that they wanted it to be perfect, instead of good, and that it delayed things even further, and it underscores the democratic party i think has had and ashley could probably speak to this after, with trying to unify a party that has very disparate elements and very disparate ideals. >> ashley could talk about the
white house dynamic way better than i, can but i can tell you here on capitol hill, this majority was built and bolstered in republican districts. remember, abigail spanberger beat dave brat who beat eric cantor, that is the heart of the previous republican world. that res seats that republicans held for 30 and 40 years. elaine luria, another virginia democrat, in the new portnews area, and the seat that republicans held, yet this congress, they spent a ton of time dealing with progressives who are large in number but not the majority makers and moderates were forced to wrestle with these progressives over policies, you know, and they would say, making perfect the enemy of the good, for months and months on end. and they ended up fighting each other and we wrote this this morning, more than they were fighting republicans, and i think when you look back to this congress, that's going to be a major take-away that democrats think about. >> well, ashley, talk about that. and again, i want to underscore what jake said earlier, this is one of the most productive congresses we've seen. they passed some major
legislation that will have an effect on people's lives, it just might not do so for democrats in time for this election cycle. >> it is not just an incredibly productive white house in terms of legislation but it's important to remember that they did all of that with a tissue thin majority. >> good point. >> i mean a few seats in the house, and the senate, it is 50-50, but i have talked to the white house about this a lot, and their argument, which is not incorrect, is that when you have a fractious caucus, with progressives on the one end and moderates on the other and people like senator manchin and senator sinema, that you do have to work really hard to get them all together. so when you hear the white house tell this tale, they talk about, well, for instance, to pick one example, we had to first get house progressives on board to vote for infrastructure, which wasn't all they had wanted because we cut out some of their progressive priorities but that was step one and a long line of months-long steps to try to get
nor manchin on the opposite side of the democratic political spectrum on board for the big infrastructure reduction act. that's absolutely true. that is how they achieved that victory. that said, for all of those months when they were working to get all of the democrats aligned, all of the headlines and all that voters took home was democrats who control the white house, the senate, and the house, are fighting, democrats in disarray is a phrase you may be familiar with, and that is not a particularly good narrative for them to have for a full calendar year before they start hitting these real victories. >> ashley parker, jake sherman, thank you for the very interesting conversation. probably very fru frustrating conversation for a lost democrats out there. jake and ashley, thanks. and still ahead, from fringe and unelectable to this close to winning. what's working for kari lake and blake masters in arizona? we're going to try to explain it. and what president obama will do there tonight to try to
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with president biden's approval rating a lot lower than he wants, it has fallen to the democratic party's last and most popular figure to try to rally the troops. after stops in georgia, wisconsin and nevada earlier this week, he will be in arizona, hoping to boost senator mark kelly and his senate re-election bid and secretary of state katie hobbs and her bid for governor. both are unlocked in an uncomfortably close race against election deniers.
close races. with me is vaughn hillyard and bram resnick. >> obama is going back to arizona, the first time since he left office. what kind of sway does he still have in that state? >> in the first time that he's held a rally here in 2008 when he was a presidential candidate, i know bram would be out there in downtown phoenix at the coliseum, let's face it, arizona was not a state the democrats ever thought of as a place that we they would have success. you remember in 2016 when hillary clinton came here in the days just before the election, it turned a lot of heads because democrats were indicating that they thought they had an actual thought. barack obama lost here in 2012 by 9 percentage points yet that is why it is so telling. you have see katie hobbs and mark kelly very much running independent of one another, around this idea of being arizona independents. so to bring a democratic slate of candidates on stage just days
before the election is notable here. and that is where you're expecting to hear former president obama make the case, especially on an economic front, that it is the republican policies that are ones that are harmful to the voters here of arizona. and i think another idea, to see another angle, too, this year when you're looking at ultimately what is on the other side of this, kari lake, especially over the last week, is not running from who she is. she was up on stage with steve bannon and the conservative commentator in chandler, arizona and closely aligned with donald trump and no effort to moderate here and that is where you see the two camps doing whatever it takes to draw out their individual bases. i'm not walking around town and finding many folks who have not made up their minds in this race. it is just a matter of how many katie hobbs supporters will vote and how many kari lake supporters will come and vote in the closing days. >> on that note, talk to me about how kari lake and how
blake masters, who is now pretty close in the polls, within a point, according to the most recent poll, and all of the caveats about polling and we think we know, we just don't know until election day, but after having two voters, who were seen as unelectable and fringe, just a few months ago, at the beginning of this race, this cycle, how do they become almost winnable, almost winning in these two races? what changed in arizona? or did nothing change and this energy was always there? it just i guess, wasn't being tapped into or polled correctly? >> i'm not sure much changed. certainly things did change for blake masters, the negative opinions of him were incredibly high for a candidate, he was looking almost unelectable if you remember that a few weeks ago. he started getting more money, and then started campaigning more with kari lake. kari lake is a known quantity to many voters from her days in tv.
she is a very polished presence on the campaign trail. very polished presence. of course, the other side that vaughn just mentioned, being with steve pan bannon. so very polished presence. she has campaigned more with blake masters and what happens is voters start to make up their minds and the question is why isn't that election denial piece the trump connection, the threat to democracy, making an impact, and i'll say above that, hold on, wait a minute, because let's see what voters actually say, and one more thing voters may not know, republicans have a built-in 8 point advantage, turnout advantage in midterm elections. it could be higher this time given the energy on the republican side. >> that's a very good point. let's wait and see how it has an effect. but let's also talk about another arizona candidate, brahm, mark finchim running for secretary of state, which is a powerful position in arizona, over elections, he is an election denier, but his
campaign is virtually nonexistent, he has done hardly any media or public interviews. not very much advertising either. what's going on with this race? >> so it's a clear down ballot race that doesn't get much attention and i would argue mark finchem is getting a lot of attention with fontez with millions of advertising that we've not seen in the race. the energy, you're seeing republicans go for the base, this is a totally about turning out the base for them, they're hitting it really hard. harder than i've ever seen. and also i would add this that many folks might not know, according to the alliance for security and democracy, and mark minchem has the highest social media presence among all politicians in the midterms. it is really striking. so he's speaking to people we never see. >> brahn resnick, vaughn
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there's been a lot of questions about what sort of security nancy pelosi has at her san francisco home. and now we've got some answers. it turns out capitol police did have a 24-hour surveillance camera, a few of them, trained on her home. they even caught david depape breaking in. but apparently no one was watching the feeds when it happened. joining me now from capitol hill is nbc's garrett haake, i think a lot of folks are scratching their heads, how is no one watching the feed was the home of the speaker of the house? >> the answer is simple because the speaker of the house wasn't home, across the country, and when it comes to protection, one source told me, the speaker is the mission. capitol police did video feeds
full time around the clock from 1800 individual cameras around the capitol and around the country, and including places like speaker pelosi's home. they don't have enough eyeballs to watch all of them all the time. the whole sworn and civilian footprint of the capitol police is only about 2300 officers, so do the math there, there are not enough bodies to watch every feed all the time. and also by policy, this he don't protect family members of even the folks who have full details. they protect those particular members who have been assigned a full detail. and so that's what happened in this particular case, and now, that posture may get changed. the capitol police say they're undergoing a review of this whole incident and the capitol police chief has put out one statement saying that the security posture is going to have to change at least to some degree, given the threat environment. if we as a country aren't willing to turn down the temperature, it is going to require more resources to protect the people who have been the focus of all of these threats and potentially going forward their families as well. >> more resources.
a lot more officers. a lot more money. thank you very much. and i am no lawyer, but when you're doing something wrong or something, that i don't know, could be used against you in court, it's probably not a good idea to put it in writing. like say trying to overturn an election. but apparently that's what donald trump's lawyers did. "politico" got a hold of a set of eight emails from john eastman after the 2020 election, emails sent between john eastman and another lawyer, and one of them sent on december 31st of 2020, and another of trump's lawyers wrote that the supreme court justice clarence thomas was the quote key to overturning the results of the 2020 election. saying we want to frame things so that thomas could be the one to issue some sort of stay or other circuit justice opinion saying georgia is in legitimate doubt. realistically, our only chance to get a favorable judicial opinion by january 6th, which might hold up the georgia count
in congress, is from thomas. do you agree, professor eastman? >> to which eastman replied, i think i agree with this. joining me is "politico" senior legal affairs righter josh gersy josh, why is this legally questionable? who said it might be evidence of a crime. >> it's not really that those emails themselves are evidence of a crime but inside the emails they talk about having then president trump sign a sworn affidavit, supporting some of the claims of fraud that were being made in some of the lawsuits that they were filing, and these emails, according to the judge, who reviewed them, a few weeks ago, they indicate that trump, or trump's lawyers knew that some of those claims had been superseded, or had been arosen. but they went ahead -- arosen
but they went ahead and refiled them again and having the president signing an affidavit under oath saying it had been true even though according to the judge it had been established that many of them were not, and this is why the judge ruled that these emails had to be turned over to the house select committee because they were no longer covered by attorney-client privilege, or attorney work product, as a result of them being used to advance what the judge thought was a crime. >> all right, so there's that end of it. there is also the end of it, when they're talking about justice clarence thomas and hoping to issue a stay, and the understanding in the emails it might not get upheld by the entire supreme court but they're doing this because they believe a stay before january 6th would allow what to happen? >> well, they seem to be looking for the courts to do things that in their view would give republican legislators in various states more backbone let's say to stand up for trump, even though the election results had not gone his way, and perhaps tried to withdraw their
electors, or block or cancel the certification of the votes, so that the january 6th tally would not take place. what's interesting here is that you have eastman coming in and discussing this as a concept, saying that it might only have a one to 5% chance of succeeding in court. but it could be of particular advantage, it's worth remembering, also, katy, that reportedly there are emails out there also showing that eastman had some sort of inside information about a big fight inside the supreme court over some of these election cases. so you do wonder, when they talk about getting this in front of justice thomas, was that just to sort of an educated guess any of us could have made? or was there some inside information that eastman had that made him think that justice thomas would be particularly open to the arguments they were making? >> when you're talking about inside information, again, i don't want to make any assumptions here but at the same time don't we also know that he was corresponding with ginni
thomas? >> right, that's what i'm alluding to, we know that eastman was corresponding with ginni thomas, we know that at the same time, eastman was telling associates that there had been a big battle inside the supreme court over these election-related cases, if there was such a battle that wasn't evident in any of the orders or directives that supreme court issued, so that information is coming from somewhere, and if that was all part of the mix at the time they were exchanging the emails that we released today, that are roughly on new years eve 2020, then, you know, that might be fodder for investigators in the house to try to figure out whether eastman, you know had, some kind of improper access to information, be it through ginni thomas or perhaps through some other source. >> thank you very much. and federal authorities are now talking about an arrest connected to a massive catalytic converter theft ring this. might be happening in your neighborhood. it is happening all over the country.
it involves stolen parts, and agents have searched a home in new jersey, allegedly owned by the head of an auto parts firm who has already been charged in california. joining me now is justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. a walk around this building and you will talk to a lot of folks who say it is happening in their neighborhoods. what's going on? >> absolutely, this is a crime most people can relate to. catalytic converter thefts are up 12-fold since 2019. they really exploded during the pandemic, as the value of the rare earth minerals inside them, including palladium and platinum has gone way up. so these things go for a thousand dollars on the black market and this is a national takedown involving the fbi, the irs, homeland security, raids and arrests in eight states. 21 arrests all told. as you said, forfeitures in the neighborhood of half a billion, and this is really, this is a distribution ring, these people are accused of re-selling
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that the peace process would be revived under any aerially government but it is looking so right wing and it is proof it is not going to happen at all. remember, there are still weeks and weeks of coalition negotiations ahead, netanyahu will have to go into back rooms and make dealings with potential partners for government. anything could in theory happen in those negotiations. there could be a surprise. we could end up going into yet another election, which is something that has happened four times already. but right now, benjamin netanyahu is looking in an extremely strong position, and it is looking like he is coming back as the prime minister of israel. >> thank you very much. and we finally heard from outgoing brazilian president bolsonaro after his loss three days ago. in a brief speech, bolsonaro did not concede the election, but afterwards, his chief of staff told reporters that the far right president did authorize the transfer of power. even still, bolsonaro supporters continue to block roads, there
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well, where a democrat and republican at top of the ticket end up running, like georgia and pennsylvania, but here in arizona, and those who were planning to vote for oz for senate and shapiro, the democratic candidate, for governor. and they tell us it's because they simply find doug mastriano too extreme, too far to the right, and they say frankly that they haven't really seen him. they haven't really heard from him. he hasn't visited places like this. where some of the voters i talked to here in lucerne county, they say oz was here at the bridge behind me, which is now defunct, trying to understand infrastructure here, josh shapiro launched his cam pine here but they haven't seen or heard from mastriano. they feel like he is not really trying to court those voters. i want you to hear from daniel and jacqueline devine, they are probably a great example of what we've been hearing, a great
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