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air some regulars from elon musk. he says trump is going to be reinstated on twitter. >> yeah, that seems like he base this on a twitter poll, which is not exactly the most scientific thing. at least that's what has been projected on his twitter feed. if you follow elon musk, as i'm sure you and i do for purposes. he sent out a poll yesterday asking if president trump should be reinstated on twitter. of course he was suspended, banned from twitter after january the 6th and. it seems that based on this poll he has now decided single handed to bring him back, and tell me if i'm, write it underscores a lot of concerns that people have with the way that he is running things it winter and it's not a policy of anything transparent. it's just up to his williamson whatever he decided any given moment to do or not to go. >> it's interesting, were talking earlier with angela khorasan for media matters about the importance of twitter for trump.
i'm sure you saw former president trump pushing this out to his followers via email saying please go vote in this poll. so while it is already not a scientific measure, there was a push from himself to make sure that his followers went in and voice their support. but this is a place where he is able to reach a different cross section of people than he can on his own knock off twitter, truth social. >> it will be interesting to see whether performer president trump tweet anything out the next few hours. we will keep an eye on that as well. it underscores how everything has been going over the last couple of weeks. >> such a rapid clip. >> a rapid clip, and more important, without any clarity. yesterday elon musk tweeted that he's going to deepest already monetize negative tweets. i think the first thing that came to everybody's mind is, what the heck constitutes or quantifies as a negative tweet? >> indeed. i gotta get home, so i can watch you report to me on.
that >> you've got it, alicia. thank you so much my friend. good to see you. good evening to you at home. welcome to ayman tonight. move over robert mueller. there's only special counselor town. meet the man who is taking over the justice departments criminal investigations into donald trump, plus republicans in disarray. backstabbing, infighting, name-calling, that is the current state of the gop, days after their disastrous midterm performance. unlocked up abroad, wnba star brittney griner has started her nine year sentence at a russian penal. quality will talk to the ambassador to the your crane about that. let's get started. all right, tonight we begin with that bombshell news from the justice department. attorney general merrick garland has named a special counsel to oversee the criminal investigation into donald trump's possible mishandling of classified documents as well as
aspects of the january six investigation. garland explain that trump's now official presidential campaign presented, quote, extraordinary serpent can stances for which doj regulations prescribed the appointment of a special counselor. , in world words he saying he had no choice but to pursue we see this way. >> the special counsel will conduct parts of the first investigation i just mentioned. the investigation into whether a person or and 20 unlawfully interfered with transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election or with a certification of electoral college vote held on or about january six. the second is the ongoing investigation involving classified documents and other presidential records, as well as the possible obstruction of that investigation, referenced and described in court filings in upending matter in the southern district of florida. >> jack smith, that new special counsel, will be tasked with prosecuting federal crimes that
arise from the investigations. smith most really see served as a special crossed prosecutor in the hague, wearing investigated were in kosovo. from 2010 to 2015 he worked with adjust department with the head of the public integrity section where he managed to team of more than 20 prosecutors who handled public prosecution an election crimes cases here in the u.s.. smith, in a statement released after the -- said i intend to defend any cases independently and in the best versions of the parliament of justice. the pace of investigations will not pause or flag under my watch. the message we want to get across to mr. smith's, more quickly, unless jack smith acts with speed this case could run up against the 2024 election or even outlasted. if trump somehow returned to the white house, justice department rules on prosecuting sitting presidents could enable trump to duck whatever accountability he might deserve.
attorney general garland should guide the investigation so that it is fair, focused, and within reason, fast. accountability should remain the priority and delivered according to the rule of law. joining me now to discuss this are caroline, an msnbc legal analyst and david rhoden msnbc contributor. great to have both of you with us. got lots of questions for both of you about where this could go. i will talk to you, carroll. some legal experts, including former trump attorney bill barr says there is a real chance of charges. at least that is what he is suggesting. what does this signal to you? >> we'll, if you really pay attention to what bill barr said carefully, if you really look at his words, he does what lawyers to. he qualifies them a lot. he says well, if they can show that the documents are serious documents which they appear to be, and if they can show that donald trump consciously withheld those from the department, then i believe there is probably a basis for bringing criminal charges.
so there are a lot of ifs and probably's in there. i think what he's saying is what we all know. there is what we call a prima facie case, in other words, there appears at first looks to be a viable case, but i assure you that whatever we as the public see, there it is about 50 times more complications that the department of justice has to sort its way through. so i don't think that the appointment of a special counsel is really going to change the analysis very much. some people say it will speed up the investigation, because now there is somebody in charge at the top, dedicated to this case. some people say it will slow it down because he has to do some catching up. i think probably both of those will be true to some extent. >> so david, a big question about on everyone's mind is the timing, the pace of this investigation. obviously a lot of red legwork has been done by the january six committee. there is a question as to
whether or not jacks smith will be able to pick up on that and use any of this stuff. but then there is also the question about whether or not the house of representatives, which will now fall into republican hands, have any impact on his ability to conduct this investigation expeditiously. could they delay any of the january 6th findings from reaching jack smith if he so seeks them? >> i don't think they can stop the committee. there have been issues with the committee handing over evidence to the doj. but the most radical proposal that has come out and i don't want to exaggerated but it was for marjorie taylor greene. she called for house republicans to defund, that is defund, that is not give money to the entire just parliament because of this one investigation. no one has ever done that. when democrats were upset with a bill barr justice department they'd ever proposed such a thing. but that is potentially the level of partisan fighting that
could erupt here. i agree with what you said earlier, the key thing here is for smith to move quickly. the case that is more advanced and clearer and simpler is the mishandling of classified documents in mar-a-lago. i think if there were to be an indictment soon it would be much more likely to be mar-a-lago related versus january six. >> carol, talk to us about jack smith and his reputation here. does what we know about him based on his experience, in the public integrity section of the department of justice and his experience at the hague, prosecuting war crimes, does that work in his strength? or does it work against him, do you think? >> it definitely works in his favor. to the extent that the former prosecutors have prosecuted public corruption cases, we have usually dealt with the public integrity section of the department of justice. and these are folks who work day in and day out with a very sensitive fraught issues doing
criminal investigations in the context of political considerations. a lot of prosecutors, we just two cases where a person cheats another person or murders another person or does something terrible to society. but we don't have to worry about is it a republican? isn't a democrat? i was just going to look within the political context? and that is what someone like jack smith, who has hated the public integrity unit of the department of justice is used to doing. and then he has prosecuted war criminals internationally, another similar type of environment. so i think it was the perfect background for somebody under the circumstances. >> and david, my question to you is, as someone who has been watching the mueller investigation with a sense of disappointment in terms of how it played out, not because of a lack of prosecutions against the former president but rather just the way it went out with a
whimper in the end. what is it that jack smith can learn from the mueller investigation? >> well the key thing is that he is not in a case involving a sitting president, sorry, sitting president, so this precedent where the justice department, it's tradition is not to indict a sitting president. the president should only be removed from office through impeachment, according to the constitution. so that it should doesn't apply. here don trump is a private citizen. that's very different. smith is frankly younger than mueller. there are questions about his age. and then much much more of these investigations has already been conducted. mueller basically started from scratch. smith is picking up at marlowe mar-a-lago investigation could be near completion. it's more difficult case but there's enormous amounts of evidence that have been produced by the justice department and by the special committee in the house
regarding january six. so very different prosecutor, very different legal situation. >> carol, could this move create some issues for the justice department? the washington post editorial board argues appointing a special counsel carries risks, not least the possibility that the investigation could drag out or lose focus, potentially letting mr. trump off the hook. it will take tremendous focus to prevent that from happening. do you agree? >> i don't think that's as much of a concern as it may have been under the old independent counsel statute where the concern was, the department of justice had to let go of all control and then the independent counsel just, the prosecutor went off on dalliance is in other areas. here the special counsel regulations require the attorney general to be very precise in drawing the parameters of what the special counsel can and should
investigate. if the special counsel wants to look at something else, here she has to come back to the attorney general and say i feel i need to expand my investigation. i don't see that happening here. and as david mentioned, this is a situation where the special counsel and the attorney general are dealing not with investigating the press president, but a certain party. it seems unlikely to happen here. >> all right, carol lam, thank you very much, david rohde, please take around we'll talk to you again. the gop is in a state of chaos in the only have themselves to blame. we will tell you about that. that. 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security.
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out a chance from the conservative house freedom caucus. if they only need simple majority to win that vote but they'll have to bump that number to 18 to officially take the gavel. complicating that, these four republicans have already signaled that they will not support him. depending on how small the republican majority is in the house, mccarthy might not have enough votes. in the senate mitch mcconnell faces his first major leadership challenge. mcconnell beat up florida senator rick scott who ran the chambers campaign arm. this cycle by 37 to 10. mcconnell and scott blamed each other for the bitterness is and have an area they're dirty laundry in public. clearly, though, this isn't a postelection period republicans had in mind. to make matters worse, as he always does, don't trump announced his 2024 presidential bid this week, and despite pleas from party officials to wait until after the georgia runoff next month because trump bore the brunt of the blame for
the gop's midterm failures as mitch mcconnell put, it quote, we underperformed among independents moderates because their impression of many the people in our party in leadership roles is that they are involved in chaos, negativity, excessive attacks. and he's right. i never thought i would say that, but he is. across the country voters in key battleground states firmly rejected trumpism. trump backed election deniers lost races from pivotal positions in places like michigan, arizona, and nevada. but what makes this even more fun to discuss, republicans did this to themselves. two years ago mitch mcconnell could have argued we stopped all of this in its tracks by leading his party to convict donald trump in his impeachment trial over the january six attack. that would've barred trump from running for office ever again. possibly freeing the gop from his influence. it's not what happened. instead, mitch mcconnell in the majority of the republicans, they chose to stick with donald trump.
and now they are suffering the consequences. i want to bring in democrat aaron for. last week he defeated his gop opponent and won a second term as nevada's attorney general. mr. ford, it's great to have you with us. thank you for joining us. you won over 51% of the vote, beating your opponent by eight points. that is a pretty significant margin. it's large they're near their candidate, democrat or republican, in your state. talk to us about how you got there. and you pull that off? >> well, good evening, i'm glad to be with you. actually where the 52% of the vote right now, just to be clear. i think it's worth noting because here in nevada voters, the only thing that resonated with voters, and there are things are voters rejected, what resonated here was conversation around community as opposed to chaos. a conversation around nevada family in fighting for justice for the entirety of the family. what they rejected was extremism, racism, bigotry, and,
frankly, incompetence. i'm proud of what we were able to accomplish here in nevada by defeating someone who ran against us on all the wrong items and because nevada recognized what we had been doing in our office for the last four years. >> i appreciate you having insight about how you guys did. i'm curious though, democrats in your steak had state had mixed results. you guys came up short in governor lieutenant governor. do you have any insight as to why? why do you think that is in those races? >> i think there has been some debriefing going on, to be sure. i think that covid had a lot to do with some of the losses that we had in our state, particularly at the governors level. i work hand in hand with him and he saved lives. he has no regrets on the work that he did. we saved over 20,000 lives that we were slated to lose 30,000 lives, which is still too many, but i think that had a lot to
do with it. at the end of the day i think what resonated for most of the ticket was this notion around humanity versus chaos and understanding the fact that we did not prevail in our governor's race. >> let's talk about the trump factor, if we can for a moment. do we think the ex president and his maga ideals contributed to how voters in your state cast their ballot last week? >> i do believe so. yes, in fact, three of the statewide officials on the ballot would certainly maga based republicans who sought after in sometimes sought the endorsement of mr. trump. i think again here in our state, we demonstrated, generally speaking, that we reject this maga mentality across the board, and that's the reason why, another reason why we prevailed in many of our races. >> your wind was just one of many winds for progressive attorney generals and battleground states, a very important victory. what kind of mandate do you think voters have given you and
your fellow attorneys general? >> you use a great word, they're progressive. people i.t. is put progressive like at the pejorative term. but let me remind them that the opposite of progressive is regressive. we have stood against than continue to move ourselves forward. look at the supreme court taking us backwards 40 years. our electorate told us they would not go backwards a notions of equity, of protecting our environment and on protecting freedoms like the freedom to abortion and to decide when you are going to begin your own family. so that's one of the reasons why we were able to, across the board, as attorneys general specifically, but generally speaking across the board is democrats, we tended to prevail in some of these tough races, notwithstanding the fact that we were counted out before we even began. >> what will your specific mandate be, do you think? >> again, i think it's gonna
continue to be on protecting our freedoms. here in our stayed the freedom, the right to choose his codified in our statute, but there was an understanding by nevada that here there was wades the people could wiggle around that particular right. there are a efforts to tone down gun violence. attorney generals particularly on the official crime. but most folks realize that the most crime really on the rise was violent crime associated with guns. so we will continue to push back on the gun lobby. we will continue to support things like extreme risk protection orders and bans on ghost guns. i think there's a couple of ideas, a couple of things we will continue on our agenda. >> let's talk national politics for a moment. democrats will return to washington, navigating a divided government. do you think they will still be able to deliver on president biden's agenda? what would you like to see from that if they can deliver anything with a divided congress? >> well, there are several things, obviously in my mind.
then i would love to see. i am confident and will soon be the return fraternity brother jeffries. i am confident that when my congressman here in stating that a city -- that takes over the reigns of the congressional caucus. but in the u.s. senate through katherine cortez masto will talk with the house issue and will able to get some things done. we've already demonstrated that we can work in a bipartisan fashion. what will remains to be seen is whether i was under mccarthy, for example, can do the same. >> all right, nevada tierney general aaron ford. thank you so much for your. four days for coming back on the show. >> thank you, ayman. >> let's talk about this republican civil war, david rohde. the party is, in my opinion, split between an allegiance to trump and those that want
nothing to do with him or at least want trying to break away from him. how do you see it panning out? >> i agree with you. it's striking in the senate. you had that code for quote from connell where he didn't name trumpet saying he lost because of the chaos. and then senator scott, who challenged him, says the opposite. he thinks the republicans need to go harder right, that the problem is not inspiring the base to turnout. until they can get a clear message that they're not gonna succeed, it's amazing that this is happened. it's a miracle for the democrats. there is the highest inflation in decades in this country and normal political times they should have been wiped out. there's a lot of questions that republicans should be asking themselves. >> does mccarthy have the votes to hold on to the speakership? i think you and i talked about this, at least not on election night, i pose to the question if when you have such a slim majority and we have seen that
some do not want to vote for him in that leadership position, he's got to get to 2:18, does he have the votes? . he is going to have to appease the freedom caucus. he's going to have to appease marjorie taylor greene and do what she wants to get her vote. so it's a tiny tiny majority. if he loses four or five republican votes he will not win. that emboldens and empowers this pro trump wing of the republican party. you'll see the same division. are we with trump or are we against trump? that will limit what the republicans can do in the house. the big issue immediately will be raising the debt ceiling. again, and the radicals in republican party don't want to raise it, they are talking about trying to reduce spending, but if that happens it could spark a global recession. and then you have a divided congress that can't and actor numbers and see stimulus plan because the republicans will block it.
that was all what help the economy during the pandemic. the stakes are very high and this paralysis could be dangerous for the economy and for average americans. >> david, did you appease contrast with democrats this week could not be any more clear. you have the democratic parties generational leadership change, i would argue, that appears to be going off without a hitch. what do you make of how nancy pelosi and the others soon to be former leaders have handled the transition to this new generation, if you will? >> they've handled it well. the democrats, abortion helped them, democracy on the ballot to help them. but there's one other large generational question, and i don't want to avoid it. joe biden. joe biden just turned 80 years old and there are many democrats who think he should not run for a second term, the new generation would be better equipped to combat donald trump as a republican nominee. ron desantis is a republican nominee. so that's the big question for
the democrats, who is their nominee in 2024? we've got a year to go. but will joe biden step aside or will he insist on running for a second term? >> absolutely important had valid question. david rohde, always a pleasure, sir. thank you for joining. us coming up a major victory for raphael warnock ahead of the runoff. don't go anywhere. n't go anywhere. injectable cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by my healthcare provider, every other month. it's one less thing to think about while traveling. hiv pills aren't on my mind. a quick change in my plans is no big deal. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away.
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young children. walker responded by saying walker is a. you've crossed a line where my families can turn concerned. i can't continue to let him lie about our family. it is an ugly attack, but indicative of how this race has devolved. even before the runoff was announced. look, herschel walker is clearly desperate to win. even more so after, as we mentioned earlier, don trump announced his 2024 campaign for president. state republicans, though, don't they were afraid that trump's announcement will depress out -- senator warnock finished ahead in the last week's election. joining me now is head of the action fund. thank you for joining us. explain to us this judges ruling. how big of a win is this for democrats and voting rights advocates? why do they even have this law in the first place? >> so the law, first of all,
thank you for having me on, i appreciate it. but the law manifests basically out of svm 202 what they were just trying to do when they truncated the number of days for early voting because normally you have six weeks you, have three weeks. it's absolutely ridiculous, so we had to sue. and you say it's a win for democrats and voting rights activists, i would just like to say it's a win for georgia voters. we deserve more than six days to make a decision as to who's going to represent us in washington. and so we are really excited about this but we are a little annoyed, if you will, with the secretary of state because they have vowed to appeal this decision. so everything is still in flux. i want to make sure that your viewers understand that there is no real rule, rhyme or reason as to how this election is going to be carried out.
we have had to call all hundred and 59 candidates, our policy team, the newark action fund, to expand their usual voting hours and to include sunday so voters have more opportunity to vote in person. it has really been frustrating because each county gets to set their own rule. and so there's going to be a lot of confusion. there's already a lot of confusion. people have had to retract. some of the educational piece as we put out to voters. it makes our job more difficult. but what was really interesting, and you didn't mention the specifics about this law, why we had to sue. it's because there was a federal holiday and the federal holiday was the formerly observed robert e. lee commemoration. so you're talking about the confederacy so because you had thanksgiving, you had the robert elite holladay, they were saying oh, you cannot hold early voting a day after federal holiday, which was,
like, we weren't having that. it was the irony of being told to forfeit this killer of our democracy to honor the confederacy was laughable. >> it's beyond bizarre when you think of just the sadness and the darkness of the symbolism of it, that you can't vote because you have to honor a confederate soldier. let me just go back to something you said in your answer about what you are doing. as i mentioned you lead the new georgia action found, but what is your good doing to motivate voters to turn out for the runoff? you said you had to retract some of the education material because of confusion. you've got a sense that there is a lower level of engagement this time around. are you worried about that? >> we're not really worried about a lower level of engagement. obviously runoffs are difficult and election fatigue is real. so we have had a lot of elections here in georgia, and the 21 runoff, maybe run right into the municipal elections and the mayoral race. then you turn to this midterm
election and we have another runoff. we were prepared for, this is what we are doing is hitting the doors. we knocked to one point $1 million. we have a goal of knocking 1 million doors and we are on track to do that. we have roughly about 500 canvassers out in the field every day to get this done. it takes a lot of energy to educate voters. a lot of people call city voters will call voters who aren't really engaged at a regular cadence low density voters but we call them high opportunity voter. as we go to the doors and it's not about candidates and i can't impress upon voters enough that it's really about the policies that people want to see manifest in washington. people are tired of being held hostage by west virginia and arizona. so this 51st bose vote is super important and this is the message that we are hitting home to our voters. for >> our viewers who don't know, you're referencing there
kristen sinema and joe manchin of west virginia who have basically blocked any kind of filibuster reform on key issues like voting rights and police reforms. let me ask you if i can about brian can't for a second. he signed into law last year druze rules that shorten the time that voters can request receive and cast ballots for the runoff. what are the immediate long term impacts of that, with what you are seeing right now? >> they immediate long term impacts are, really, that law was about reducing the margins. people are firmly ensconced in their particular opinion with regard to how they are going to vote. and so this is not a persuasion game. right now it's about who can get as many voters out to cast their ballots, and that's where the election is one. if you look at 2020, joe biden
carry georgia by a little under 12,000 votes. this runoff came down to the wire as well. 2018, abrams fell short of the gubernatorial office by roughly 53,000 votes. so that was essentially a hissy fit by the conservatives in the state of georgia because they did not like the outcome of an election. then it was a response to what we characterized as the big lie. you had or secretary of state testified before congress that all was well with georgia, nothing amiss with our electoral apparatus, and yet the legislature still convened and implemented this law in response to what they knew to be a lie. and so this truncated timeline now forces grassroots like ours to extend a lot of resources and manpower to go back and get
these folks back out to the polls. i do want to add that this whole runoff issue in georgia manifested out of jim crow. it was a way, because they were trying to look ahead to the future. i say they, those who were in power, they were trying to look ahead to the future because they saw georgia was becoming more diverse. so what do people do when they want to maintain power? they change the rules. and so they change the rules to ensure that that 50 plus one threshold and then that runoff that followed it would make it more difficult for people of color to make their voices heard. >> it is absolutely incredible in this year, in this day in age, that we are still making it harder for people to vote when it should be the exact off opposite, making it easier to vote. when it's easier to vote, it's better for everyone in our democracy. kendra cotton, think you so much for your time.
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immigration, we found out this week that the first focus of their newfound oversight powers will be hunter biden. yes. the republican james coleman is soon to be chair of the house oversight committee made it clear in the party's first press conference after winning control of the chamber. now the trump is running for office again, house republicans talk right priorities are to attack president biden and his son. now, quick note here, we don't know whether hunter biden is in real trouble or not not. we don't know if he has done wrong or even committed crimes are not. but to make hunter biden the focus of republicans first press conference to skew the campaign promises and focus on the partisan investigations of political opponents and the family members of political opponents, it's just a tired repeated the obama era and what the gop did to derail illusory clinton's presidential aspirations. >> every everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable,
right? but we put together a benghazi special committee. a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's on trustable. but no one would have known any of that it happened -- >> i agree. >> that's not what the people wanted when they voted in the midterms. but i suppose it's the gop's best option. they don't have and don't seem to want to have an actual governing agenda. honestly republicans haven't had a governing agenda for a long time. i'm trying to think of how far back. maybe the bush era? i don't know. republicans had total control of government for two years under donald trump. what did they do in those two years? they passed some tax cuts and not much else. so of course stopping inflation in curbing crime will take a backseat throwing their base some red meat. more fun to create content for fox news primetime lineup than to actually do the hard work of
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begun a nine year sentence at a russian penal colony. a small amount of cannabis oil what she said was prescribed for pain relief. she was sentenced in august on drug charges. >> my hope is that now that the election is over, that mr. putin will be able to discuss with us and be willing to talk more seriously about prisoner exchange. that is my intention. atlanta engineers to get her home. >> now for months the biden ministration's been trying to negotiate griner's release, including discussing a possible prisoner swap for russian arms dealer victor bout. political prisoners and russian penal colonies are often placed in harsh conditions where they can be subjected to solitary confinement or punitive stays in psychiatric units. the human rights report says
according to griner, sorry, according to griner's agents primary concern has been britney's health and well-being. john with now is former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, william taylor. ambassador taylor, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. how likely is this idea of a prisoner swap, the possibility that we could see brittney griner's relatives some negotiations now that she has been transferred to this penal colony. >> i think their chances are pretty good. the question is when, how long will it take. the proposal has been out there for sometime. the russians have not been forthcoming. they have not been ready to move. maybe they are ready now. maybe it will take another period of time. we will have to see. >> from what you know, do you believe the biden administration is doing enough to advocate for her release? i'm sure stuff is happening behind the scenes. should they also be signaling more or showing more of that effort to the american public?
>> they know how to do this. they have been successful in previous negotiations. i'm confident that they're doing everything they can. they've made proposals. they made proposals in public, and private. they've had discussions. so i am convinced that the biden ministration is doing what it can, everything it can, to get her released. >> let me shift gears for a moment, if i, cancer, and talk about the missile that hit poland this week and the clash between ukraine and its western backers, including the u.s., about where that this missile came from. do you see this as a riff? how could it possibly impact the ongoing war? >> i don't see it is a riff. not a serious rift. we all thought when we first heard this that it was clearly russian missile. it was in the middle of a russian barrage of missiles, and that part of the country, so it was a logical thing to assume that this was one that just went into the wrong place.
and the more we've investigated now the ukrainians imperative investigation, they are realizing, and they are saying, yes it could very well have been ukrainian missile. we ukrainians the, russian missiles that are coming in, a lot of missiles in the air. and president zelenskyy is that if it turns out, and diversification turns that it was indeed a ukrainian missile, they'll apologize. >> iran and russia have agreed reached a mission to build hundreds of drones in russia. what is this new agreement signify for the war and for iran's weapon production overall? how does it change if anything the calculation of the war that it has now expanded in this way. it hasn't obviously expanding the battlefield but when you have these participants directly involved and having iranian weapons president the battlefield how does that change the dynamics? >> i think it shows that the
russians are desperate. the russians don't have any of their own weapons left. very few. they're having to go abroad to the iranians, abroad to the north koreans. this is where they have to go at this point. so they are going way down on their own precision guidance. they're probably in a very low level, and they can't replace them, so they're having to go to the smaller iranian ones. and now it sounds like, as you say, they could be manufacturing on their own territory, on their own land. they don't have the equipment. they don't have the chips. they don't have the elements that they need in order to manufacture these. so the russians are desperate and they're looking for help from unusual places. >> obviously on the flipside the u.s. is doing the same in sending weapons to ukraine. u.s. dissent about 60 billion dollar since russia first invaded. that may change, though. just this week president biden asked congress for another 37 billion dollars in aid. republicans, they have won
control of the house, are expected to retain obviously the majority, sorry, not retained take control of the house and win the majority. many inner partly have pledged to cut down or and financial aid to ukraine. do you see that happening? and what impact would that have on the war if these republican succeed? >> i think the main message the we're going to be hearing from the republicans is that the biden ministration is not doing enough for the ukraine. that's the message certainly we hear from mitch mcconnell, senator mcconnell. the message from most republicans, not all, as you point out, is that we should be doing more. we need support ukrainians. we need to oppose the russian aggression. this horrible aggression, this cruel attacks are on heated water electricity. as the ukrainians are facing this winter, this is going to be the motivation for us to continue to provide the weapons
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