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one that formally honored robert e. lee. fulton county overrule the secretary of state, and now the supreme court has upheld that ruling. georgia supreme court today, also issued another ruling that could boost turnout in the runoff election. they reinstated the state's ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. one that is widely considered extreme, because it bans abortion for most people before they even realize they're pregnant. it helped turn out voters for democratic candidates in the midterms earlier this month, with some citing it as the reason that the republicans were able to -- it is a notable narrow majority. we should herschel walker win , vice president kamala harris will still be needed to break any ties and 50 50 votes. that's why this race is still important for democrats where many georgians might be thankful this year for the opportunity to vote early in person the saturday. that does it for us tonight, i'll see you this weekend on our show, 6 pm eastern saturdays and sundays. now it's time for the last word. jonathan capehart is in for lawrence tonight. hi, jonathan.
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>> hi, thank you, have a good thanksgiving. >> you too, friend. >> for the third year in a row , the united states reject a grim milestone. they surpassed 600 mass shootings in america, according to the gun violence archive's. that averages to be more than one shooting per day. this year could become the second highest for mass shootings since the group began tracking data in 2014. these horrific numbers put into perspective the tragic -- loss of life caused by gun violence that we saw just this week. two mass shootings in three days. last night, a manager opened fire on fellow employees and i walmart in just peak, virginia. killing six people, and then himself. three days earlier, another
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mass shooting at club q in colorado springs, the only gay club in that christian, conservative stronghold. they killed five people and injured nearly two dozen more. the suspect will be held without bond after appearing in court today, facing murder and hate crime charges. as the new york times put it, mass shootings in the united states this year have come at a pace so fast that one community has barely started mourning the losses before another takes place. every country in the world has all of the same issues that have been attributed to american mass shootings. economic and social issues, mental illness, personal disputes, political anger, hate, and hateful rhetoric,
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sudden flares of rage. only in america are people routinely and repeatedly killed no civilian can be safe from a weapon of war -- grocery stores, malls, schools, churches, synagogues , movie theaters, concerts, nightclubs, massage parlors, a fourth of july parade on a neighborhood street. the list goes on and on. what makes america different or the guns. in a statement today, president biden promised more action on guns, saying quote, because of another horrific and senseless act of violence, there are now even more tables across the country with empty
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seats this thanksgiving. there are now more families that know the worst kind of loss and pain imaginable. this year, i signed the most significant gun reform in a generation, but that's not nearly enough. we must take greater action. the death tolls are unbelievable, but what about all the other people who survived and are victimized by gun violence? that's the long shadow cast by the senseless acts of violence.
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all of the families will be without their loved ones this thanksgiving for the very first time. that includes families who lost children at robb elementary school in may, even though uvalde has long since been pushed out of the headlights by other mass shootings. the sandy hook memorial has just been unveiled, as we approach the ten year anniversary of that mass murder. have those families had another normal thanksgiving? will they? congresswoman lisa mcbath ran for congress to fight for gun safety after her 17-year-old son was shot to death over loud
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music at a gas station ten years ago today. in an open letter, she wrote that justice will be the day that no parent ever has to bury their child again. jordan, thank you for watching a for your mom. thank you for being on this mission with me, every day, to keep our communities safe. we have witnessed the struggle of people that survived grievous injuries, and for the congress -- who survived an assassination attempt that killed six others in 2011. she had to learn to walk and talk again. she wrote recently about the injuries that she's still recovering from 11 years later. anytime somebody expresses frustration about the slow pace or progress, or a challenge that they faced, i tell them what has become my mantra.
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move ahead. i don't wallow, and i would rather look ahead and look back. the ones who live are traumatized by what they lived through, like this man, a teacher in uvalde, who survived when 19 of his students and two fellow teachers did not. richard fierro is a hero, he stopped the shooter, saving lives. he walked out of club q. does he seem unharmed? >> i tried to save people, and it didn't work for five. there are five people that aren't home right now. it's thanksgiving, i went through this in a wreck. i don't know what else to do. i really hope the people you
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can use this, shake somebody 's hand, give them a hug, give them a kiss. these are good people, these were all kids. i feel no joy, i'm not happy , i'm not excited, the guy is still alive, and my family is not. >> joining us now, president of everytown for gun safety. john, thank you for being here. polls show clear majorities supporting more gun safety laws. what will it take to stop the madness of mass murder after mass murder? >> thank you for having me,
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jonathan. it's been a very sad week, and in many ways, i wish i wasn't here with you tonight. i think that we have to take the mantra, and look forward. the truth is, this year, congress passed and president biden signed the first gun safety bill in 26 years. he broke the logjam, it had bipartisan support for any democrat and republican on it. and over the objection of the nra, which is significant. what we have to do is make sure then we have a solid, firm, gun sense majority in congress. the first thing that comes to mind for me is making sure that her chilocco, who is a poster child for the nra is not elected. and we send senator warnock back to congress. >> and so if senator warnock is sent back to congress, sent back to the senate, what is the most important policy that can be pushed for on guns right now? >> we have to close the loopholes in the background check system, which still looks a little bit like swiss cheese. we have to support assault weapon bans, and we have to have a federal red flag law.
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look at colorado. colorado springs, it gives us a blueprint for something that -- that red flag law might have stopped the perpetrator. it's one thing to pass a law, another two implemented. they did not use their red flag law, they did not take it out of the tool box. we have to make sure that every state with a red flag law has training, that everybody knows if you see something, say something. we have to pass a federal one , so every state has a red flag law. it can be life-saving if we use it. >> john, this is your work, and we have known each other for a long time. how do you avoid feeling hopeless, fighting on this issue? >> when we first met, many years ago, gun safety was the third ring of american politics. they have changed significantly, and as i say, every democrat is voting on gun safety bills, every republican.
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we have people no longer running away, and are running towards it. i think that we have made significant progress, there's no question about it. >> thank you for coming to the last word. >> thanks, john. >> the murder of five people at a gay club in colorado springs did not happen in a vacuum. nbc news reports that a lgbtq rhetoric. the report by the attack at >> our community is shattered. this is the only lgbtq i a+ space that we have in the city of colorado springs. where are we going to go? how can we do anything knowing that something like this can happen? >> joining us now, kelly robinson, the new president of human rights campaigns. also with us, kyra johnson, executive director of the national lgb kelly, i just want to gi this is devastating. safety in the united states is an illusion. in the last, week we have seen three mass shootings take place. we are not seeing them in grocery stores, we're not seeing them on field trips, we're not safe in nightclubs and other places that we go to celebrate who we are. this is a moment of crisis, especially for the lgbtq+ community, especially for black and brown, and people of color in this country. the thing that is important to know, is that this is not happening by accident. we see a direct line from violent lgbt -- lgbtq plus rhetoric online,
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from anti lgbtq attacks led by political leaders. and the deadly events that transpired this week. my message is, look, for every politician attacking your community, we see who you are. we are demanding better. >> how can we combat that kind of rhetoric? >> we have to be diligent, and we have to call it out for what it is. kelly was just saying it. you don't get to cede violence and hate, and language, and law, and policy, and cultural norms, and then, you know, thoughts and prayers your way out of it. we have got to be calling these people out for what they are saying, for what they are seething. and hold them responsible for what they're causing in our communities across the country. >> kelly, what will it take? you are both talking about the rhetoric, the inflammatory rhetoric that republican
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politicians and right-wing folks in media have been engaged in. what will it take to make them stop? >> i want to be clear about what this crisis is about. one in five -- we cannot look away from the reality of what our community is experiencing. we have to address it in a multi-pronged way. we need social media platforms to enforce their own nondiscrimination policies, and stop this proliferation of hate speech online. we need the department of and the fbi, local law enforcement agencies articulate a plan, to not only prevent, but these violent hate crimes that are occurring. we are calling on everybody to take a role in fighting back against the hateful attacks were seeing from politicians at the state level. and also do everything that we can to address this epidemic of
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gun violence. if there's any hope here, it's that we can do this together, people are not standing for this level of extremism. we saw that a few tuesdays ago in the 2022 midterms. we are seeing a shift right now. our opportunity is to turn the energy that people, have the anger that they, have the fear that they have, into meaningful action and policy change. >> kyra, how many -- to create a more inclusive society so that there is more forceful pushback when right wingers make these hateful statements? >> we have got to be engaging people at the state level, and at the federal level. and just getting people to continue -- or begin, in some cases, to put pressure on their electives. when i say that, i don't just mean the congressional numbers , or mean our electives in congress. frankly, in our school boards , and city councils. we cannot underestimate our
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own power, and there's a lot of power at the local and state level. we have got to be engaged around nondiscrimination policies. we see it on the federal level , far too many policies and bills that have been introduced , that are laying dormant. the george floyd justice and policing act. there is no reason that that's not moving. i was in colorado when columbine happened. it was surreal to me to be in 2022, watching this happen all over again. the reality is, it's the same the thing. we are seeing this violence, the dehumanizing rhetoric. we are seeing easy access to guns, and no matter where we are seeing, it in relationship to black folks getting gunned down in the streets, people gunning down folks in churches , people getting gunned down in clubs and bars. it is just, at what point are we going to make enough noise, and hold their feet to the fire ? >> kierra johnson, kelly robinson, we just want to point out two of the nation's
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largest lgbtq civil rights organizations run by two powerful black women. thank you both very much for coming to the last word. coming up, former vice president mike pence made it clear after the insurrection at the capitol that he had no interest in talking to the january 6th committee. what happens when it's the justice department who wants questions answered, that's next. covid-19 moves fast and now you can too by asking your healthcare provider if an oral treatment is right for you. oral treatments can be taken at home and must be taken within 5 days from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild, don't wait, get tested quickly. if you test positive and are at high risk
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>> when it comes to the january 6th capitol riot, mike pence is more than willing to talk about his experiences that they , so long as he is able to promote his book in the process. if you have television cameras or newspaper pages to fill, even better. the one group that he won't talk to about donald trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the january 6th committee. he closed the door on that less than a week ago in a tv interview. >> i never stood in the way. senior members of my team cooperated with the committee, and testified. congress has no right to my testimony. >> you're closing the door on that? >> i'm closing the door on that.
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>> what about justice department prosecutors? that is the question tonight, following a new report from the new york times that the doj investigators are looking to question the former vice president as part of its january 6th investigation. the times, quote, mister pence, according to people familiar with his thinking is open to considering the request. he recognizes that the justice department criminal investigation is different from the inquiry by the house january 6th committee, whose overtures he is flatly rejected. the discussions about questioning mister pence are said to be in their early stages, mister pence has not been subpoenaed and the process could take months because mr. trump can seek to block, or slow his testimony by trying to invoke executive privilege. he tried to invoke executive privilege, -- it didn't work. both reportedly testified to
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the grand jury over the summer. is the former boss next? and will trump try to stand in the way of the testimony if he is indeed willing? joining us now, nia catio, former acting solicitor general. also glenn kirschner, a former federal prosecutor, both are msnbc legal analysts. thank you for being here. i'll start with you, from a former prosecutors standpoint, what's the benefit of speaking to pence, especially considering that they've already spoken to his top two top deputies? >> you want to get it right out of the horse's mouth. let's remember, pence is not only a witness for donald trump 's pressure campaign, trying to get him to violate the law, the electoral count act. he is also a victim. i have to say, john, i heard mike pence say that he was closing the door and testifying on the january 6th -- i found that to be deeply unpatriotic. he puts these revelations in
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his book, he profits off of revealing information about donald trump's pressures on him to overturn the election results. when it comes to testify before a congressional committee, that is trying to enact legislation to prevent another insurrection in the future, he closes the door on that. i found that to be deeply unpatriotic. >> i see you nodding your head there, neil, and i want you to respond to what glenn said. what do you make of the former vice president refusing to talk from the january 6th committee while on his book tour? >> exactly. there are two investigations about january 6th. one is congress, and the other is done by the justice
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department. the justice department one is a criminal investigation, meaning jail time is possible there. the congressional one is one about uncovering facts. pence has said in that interview last week that he has refused to talk to congress, which i agree with glenn entirely, it's unpatriotic. frankly, it's disqualifying to say that this guy wants to be president of the united states, but doesn't want to tell the truth in the congress. his aides have gone and testify, but he's been hiding in the shadows, and is continuing to hide thus far. i'm glad to see that the justice department is finally -- you're like the central figure of a lot of this, and all of the key times, you are kind of the forrest gump of january 6th. and so you have got to tell us what happens, and i think that there is a chance that trump might cooperate, pence would cooperate with a subpoena. if you think about, it if an angry mob tried to kill you or me, you're probably having a few things to say to the investigators. and so there's that possibility, but i think that
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the more likely thing is that trump will try, as he always does, any legal maneuver to block his testimony for the executive privilege, and as you say, that's exactly what he's done before, and we'll do again. >> and to neil's point, he was there, mike pence was there, and the committee hearings reveal how much danger pence himself was in on january 6th. take a look. >> i remember pat saying something to me, mark, we have to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung. he responded something to the effect of, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. to which path said something, this is effing crazy, we have to do something more. >> glenn, what charges have the prosecutors been looking at for trump or his circle for january 6th? >> goodness. where to begin? inciting an insurrection,
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potentially still stood dishes conspiracy. there's still some evidence that needs to be developed on that front. obviously, instructing an official proceeding. the electoral college count, the book certification. he was unlawfully pressuring a high government official like pence, urging him to violate the law. mike pence, jonathan, he can close the door on testifying to the january 6th committee, he could even close the door on a voluntary interview with federal prosecutors. federal prosecutors cannot compel him to come in for and voluntary interview. what he can close it on is a federal grand jury subpoena. let him try to close that door
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, and i suspect that special counsel jack smith, who kicked that door wide open, perhaps even off of the hinges, and mike pence will end up inside of a federal grand jury. >> neil, we have one more question for you. a little different subject, it's about the jury deliberations that are underway in the oath keepers seditious conspiracy case. it was an ambitious chart, do you think that the verdict will impact what the doj decides to do about future january 6th charges? >> that one is to glenn, i think, not to me. >> thank, you neil, i appreciate that. we've been watching that for weeks. >> i will tell you, no case is a sure thing, but i want prosecutors to do -- former colleagues of mine. really an expert case. as often as we are criticizing
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decisions with the department of justice, we have to give them props. the american people were extremely well represented in this prosecution. i suspect the things are going to fall, prosecutions are going to begin to see guilty verdicts come out of that jury. still going to take some time , a long trial, and there are five defendants on trial. i think if this suspicious conspiracy charges stick, you will see that emboldened the prosecution to to continue to move forward. you might even see defendants who are pending trial in seditious conspiracy cases. there are more oath keepers to be tried, the proud boys will be tried for conspicuous conspiracy. you might see some of those dominoes start to fall, some more guilty pleas answered, perhaps even with cooperation. i think that that will keep the ball rolling in the direction of justice. >> neil, i owe you one, because my faulty memory, i owe you one. neil, thank you very much for coming back to the last word. coming, up herschel walker had trouble saying the word election on television last night. but with his right off against senator raphael warnock, now just 13 days away, that might be the least of his worries.
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and i said we the people, not with the government. >> that was an unfortunate mispronunciation of the word election. especially considering walkers current controversies, aside from herschel walker's many gaps, new reporting suggest that the political landscape in georgia could be shifting less than two weeks from the senate runoff. today, the georgia supreme court reinstated a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. less than a week after a lower court overturned that ban. mid exit polling data from msnbc news found that among democratic voters in georgia, abortion was the top issue the brought them to the polls. additionally, a majority of georgia voters say that abortions should be legal. raphael warnock, who is also a reverend, made abortion
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rights a core tenant of his campaign, and earned nearly 38,000 more votes than partial walker in georgia's general election. organizers in georgia are hoping that voters will again award raphael warnock more votes to defend reproductive rights in the runoff election. one group representing veterans and military families released this advertisement this week. >> it is a simple choice, really. either you and i get out to vote to protect the freedoms that we have fought for, or we get a senator who will vote to ban abortion at the first chance he gets. >> early voting in georgia will start this saturday in at least 22 counties. georgia's republican secretary of state tried to block that, because of a georgia law that bars saturday voting if there is a holiday within two days before it. senator raphael warnock and georgia's democratic party sued, arguing that that restriction did not apply to runoffs. the courts agreed. joining us now, natasha brown , cofounder of the georgia -based organization, the black
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voters matter fund. also with us, stuart stevens , a veteran of five republican presidential campaigns. he is a principal with resolute -- thank you both very much for being here. natasha, black voters matter was on the ground in georgia today, distributing food ahead of thanksgiving, stressing the importance of the runoff election. as you've talked about people in the city, does enthusiasm feel high? >> one, thank you for having me. we have been on the ground, and are hearing from voters, and they are determined about what is happening. we are looking at herschel walker with so many people [ inaudible ] they're really concerned about herschel walker, not only but being embarrassing. and also as a [inaudible] i don't know if the word, but people are very resolute. they're going to come out and vote, and i think we're going to see [inaudible]
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>> resolute as that is, that is the right where. stuart, how do you feel this ruling, reinstating the states six-week ban on abortion will impact this race. and conversely, how motivated are conservatives to come out for walker, given the democrats have already won control of the senate? >> the whole walker candidacy was absurd. in the general election, he got 200,000 fewer votes than tempted, at the top of the ticket. this was just a bad idea, it's sort of playing itself out inevitably. i think that the only excuse to vote for walker, if you're a republican was control of the senate. that is gone now. i don't think this will be particularly crest, the only danger would be if georgia voters thought that warnock had it in the bag. all of the efforts going on on the ground we'll counter that. i don't think it'll get him the votes. >> and natasha, senator warnock's latest ad was about
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thanksgiving. let's play some of it. >> politics these days is often used to divide us. thanksgiving offers us an opportunity to consider all of the things that we share in common. we all want better lives for our children, we all want to live in safe and secure communities. we all want to be treated with dignity and respect. let's pause this thanksgiving , and celebrate our values that inspire us all. >> natasha, that had made zero mention of herschel walker or the runoff election, and ended with a prayer. how do you feel that ad will play among georgia voters who local reports suggest have become fatigued and are tired of the nonstop attack ads? >> [inaudible] at the end of the day, it's our politics. what we're seeing is senator warnock making a real human connection. this is really about how the people in georgia --
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this is not about a political race. this is about our power, including a person in office meeting in agenda. >> and before we go, new reporting from the texas tribune but found that herschel walker has been claiming attacks ignition in texas that he can only qualify for if he is a primary resident of texas. walker took that exemption this year, even after launching his senate bid. msnbc reached out for a comment, but has not received a response. my question to you, stewart, do you think that at this point in the race, that development will have any impact, whether legally or politically on herschel walker's candidacy? >> in this runoff, at the end of the campaign, we want to win every day, and the fact that it comes, out we don't really live in the state were running for, -- you just have to mention,
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what was it like in the room? we should get herschel walker to run for the senate of georgia. it is a ridiculous idea, nobody in the u.s. senate -- if he did get elected, whatever, say i'm going to ask herschel what he thinks about this issue. georgia has had tremendous senators in the past, and they have two great senators now. i think that that ad by warnock was terrific. he is a very good advertisers , running a very good campaign. and so i think that this is one where the better candidate running the better kick campaign is going to win it. >> we'll find out for sure on december 6th. natasha brown, stuart stevens , thank you both as always. nancy pelosi has long been a trail blazer on lgbtq rights. coming up next, a navy
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1987, there were 12 democratic women. the new members of our democratic caucus will be about 75% women, people of color, and lgbtq. >> the second national march on washington for lesbian and gay rights was held more than 35 years ago on october 11th, 1987. in response to the reagan administration's failure to respond to the aids epidemic. this is how the new york times described the march in 1987. the rally began at 9 am with music and a statement from dan bradley, a white house aide in the carter administration, who suffers from aids. mr. bradley said he took greatest satisfaction in the fact that after a lifetime of struggle and fear, i had the courage in 1982 to say loud and clear, i am gay and i'm proud. that message was echoed throughout the day long demonstration as a succession of speakers urged participants to stand up for the rights and to fight against the stigmas
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and stereotypes often attached homosexuals. more than 200,000 people marched that day, including the newly elected congresswoman from san francisco, nancy pelosi. >> how are you enjoying your first few months in congress? >> absolutely great, this is a great day to, to march. >> why did you decide to come here today? you're one of the few members of congress here. >> well, i am a strong contingent of san franciscans in washington for it. i've marched in other parades, gay freedom day parade, and this is a logical thing for me to do. >> our next guest was also at the march that day. this is navy veteran james brown. he posted this photo online the day speaker nancy pelosi announced her retirement as democratic leader in the house. he wrote this caption for the photo. i marched with the california contingent with my friends from the bay area, where i was stationed. and there is nancy pelosi. she saw what i was doing. she understood me.
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she seemed to know what i was going through and why i was there. and she, a person who is going to go make some laws, maybe no it matter to her. that we were doing good work that day. and that she was going to continue that progress in the capital that we're all marching toward. joining us now is the navy veteran from that photo, with speaker nancy pelosi and james brown. james, thank you for being here. you posted that photo after nancy pelosi announced she was
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stepping down from democratic leadership. what was your reaction to hearing her announcement? >> well, i was going about my business. it was the end of the workday, and i didn't know it was going to happen. and i heard it on tv. i heard the announcement, i heard the speech that you just showed. and i had to sit down. i did not expect to have that kind of reaction. but what it is it provided for me, like, a book end to a story that started that day. you know, i am a lot older now, she is a lot older. and i saw was in that moment. and i felt close to her,
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because i remember that she was such an important part at the beginning of this journey for me. >> what was your reaction, your first reaction, to see nancy pelosi on pennsylvania avenue that day? >> well, it makes me so happy to see that picture. and i've never seen that video you've just played of that day. and it was -- just things were so dark then, to be a gimme person in america. with the government's response to aids and being in the military. you know, i did not think it would be such a big deal to be gay in the military. but i had to hide it from my friends. and it just seems so stupid. and all of that was because of government policy. and so, then there is nancy pelosi at the march. and i did not know who she was.
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my friends were political activists, and they said, that's nancy pelosi, our new congresswoman. and i thought god, she's so hot. >> [laughter] -- >> i had a crush on her in congress when i was little. and she looks enough like her. and she did then.
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so, i went over and started talking to her. and she heard my story. and she had told me, like, this is what i am here for. it's not going to be like this once i get up there and the capital that we marched to. >> mr. brown, one more question for you. and, i mean, you look hot to in that uniform. >> [laughter] -- >> what made you wear that uniform to that marriage? >> [laughter] -- >> [laughter] so, that was, it you just wore your uniform, you don't wear your uniform? >> that wasn't, that wasn't even. i mean, i would've worn my dress clothes if that's what i was going for. i just want to show that gay people were in the military. and i expect there to be a lot more people there in uniform. but there were not. tonight's last word is next. [laughter] my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ray's a1c is down with rybelsus®. i'm down with rybelsus®. my a1c is down with rybelsus®. in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus® significantly lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill. in the same study, people taking rybelsus®
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spending -- vice president and her family are spending it in california. and on this thanksgiving eve, i am taking a point of personal privilege to share once again one of my favorite videos ever. november 29th, november 24th, 2019, three years ago tomorrow. then presidential candidate kamala harris answering my my husband, next question, about thanksgiving turkey preparations. this was in south carolina, while she was getting a mic check before an appearance on politicsnation. and since i don't know anything about cooking, i recorded the whole answer on my phone. take a look.
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>> if you have time to do a white brian, that's fine. and do it, like, a pot of water, a couple bay leaf, cup of sugar, little bag horns. maybe a slice of orange or something like that. oh, yes, hello. yes, i'm here. >> [laughter] -- >> okay, i'm going to talk about a recipe while you check things, is that okay? okay, so tell me if i'm annoying. >> okay. >> hey, how are you doing? i okay, nick, okay -- nick, -- but, a dry brine is easier. and do a brine for 24 to 48 hours as best we have the time. make sure you guys get a fresh turkey. and so, just -- one minute on, i have on. >> kosher salt, fresh ground pepper, maybe talk up a little time. and just, and then, you can mix
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it -- okay, so, do the salt and pepper all over. just like lather that maybe up, right. on the outside, in the cavity. you can also top of, but not the time, just the salt and pepper. mix it up also with some time, you can do a little rosemary if you want under the skin with some butter before you want to cook it. so that that butter will just melt in their. and then get a nice big bottle of cheap white wine to based with butter. yes, hello. >> yes, hello. happy thanksgiving. and remember to give thanks to the farm workers who worked tirelessly every day to get that food to our tables. that is tonight's last word. i will see you on the sunday show starting at 10 am eastern, right here on msnbc. msnbc coverage continues right now with all in with chris hayes. tonight on the readout. i literally looked at