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abortion when most people, before most people realize they're pregnant and the issue of voting rights turned out voters in the midterms for democrat can candidates earlier this week while some citing it a key reason why democrats were able to have a senate majority in the new congress, but it is a notably narrow majority, republican herschel walker wins, and vice president kamala harris will still be needed to break any ties on 50-50 votes. and here's why this race is still important to democrats, while many georgians might be thankful this year the opportunity to vote early in person this saturday. that does it for us tonight. i will see you this weekend on my show "american voices, 6:00 p.m. eastern, saturdays and sundays. now it is sometime for "the last word," hey, jonathan. >> hey, great to see you. have a happy thanksgiving. >> you too, friend.
for the third year in a roerk the united states reached a grim milestone. we surpassed 600 mass shootings in america, according to the gun violence archive. that averages out to be more than one shooting per day. and this year could become the second highest for mass shootings since the group began tracking data in 2014. these horrific numbers put in perspective the tragic loss of life caused by gun violence we saw just this week. two mass shootings in three days. last night, a manager opened fire on fellow employees at a walmart in chesapeake, virginia. killing six people, and then himself. just three days earlier, another mass shooter at club q in colorado springs, the only gay club in that christian conservative stronghold, killed five people and injured nearly two dozen more. and the suspect will be held without bond, after appearing in court today, facing murder and hate crime charges.
as "the new york times" put it, mass shootings in the united states this year have come at a pace so fast that one community has barely started mourning the losses before another takes place. every country in the world have all of the same issues that have been attributed to american mass shootings. economic and social issues. mental illness. personal disputes. political anger. hate and hateful rhetoric. sudden flares of rage. but only in america are people routinely and repeatedly killed. no civilian can be safe from a weapon of war that can shoot hundreds of bullets in a single minute. grocery stores, malls, schools, churches, synagogues, movie theaters, concerts, nightclubs, massage parlors, a fourth of july parade on a neighborhood street. the list goes on and on. what makes america different are the guns. in a statement today, president
biden promised more action on guns saying, quote, because of yet another horrific and senseless act of violence, there are now even more tables across the country that will have empty seats this thanksgiving. there are now more families who know the worst kind of loss and pain imaginable. this year, i signed the most significant gun reform in a generation, but that is not nearly enough. we must take greater action. the death tolls are unbelievable. but what about all of the other people who survived and are victimized by gun violence. that is the long shadow cast by these senseless acts of violence, all of the families who will be without their loved ones this thanksgiving for the very first time. that includes families who lost children at rob elementary school in may, even though uvalde has long since been pushed out of the headlines by other mass shootings, and the sandy hook memorial has just been unveiled, as we approach
the 10-year anniversary of that mass murder. have those families ever had another normal thanksgiving? will they? congressman mcbath ran for congress to fight for gun safety after her 17-year-old son was shot to death over loud music at a gas station ten years ago today. an open letter today, she wrote, justice will be the day no parent ever has to bury their child again. jordan, thank you for watching out for your mom. thank you for being on this mission with me every day to keep our communities safe. we've witnessed the struggle of the people who survived grieves injuries and former congressman gabby giffords who survived an assassination attempt that killed six others in 20 2 11. she had to learn to walk and talk again. she wrote recently about the injuries she is still recovering from, 11 years later.
any time someone expresses frustration about the slow pace of progress or a challenge they've faced, i tell them what has become my mantra. move ahead. i don't wall low. and i would rather look ahead than look back. the ones who live are traumatized by what they lived through, like a teacher in ufbz, who survived when 19 of his students and two fellow teachers did not. richard fiero is a hero. he stopped the shooter, saved lives, and walked out of club q. does he seem unharmed? >> i try to save people and it didn't work for five of them, okay? there's five people who aren't home right now. and i think, it's thanksgiving, i went through this at thanksgiving in iraq man, we lost dudes, i don't know what else to do. i really hope people kind of use
this and shake someone's hand, give someone a hug, give them a kiss. these are good people, man. these were all kids. i feel no joy. i'm not happy, i'm not excited, that guy is still alive and my family is not. >> joining us now, john fineblack, president of every town for gun safety, john, thank you for being here. polls show clear majority support, more gun safety laws, what will it take to stop the madness of mass murder after mass murder? >> well, thank you for having me jonathan, it's been a very sad week, in many ways i wish i wasn't here with you tonight, but i think we have to take gabby giffords mantra and look forward, and the truth is that this year, congress passed and president biden signed the first gun safety bill in 26 years, and they broke a logjam, it had bipartisan support, every
democrat and 15 republicans on it. and over the objection of the nra which is particularly significant. but i think what we've got to do is make sure that we have a solid, firm, gun sense majority in congress and the first thing that comes to mind for me is making sure that herschel walker, who is a poster child for the nra, is not elected, and that we send senator warnock back to congress. >> and so if senator warnock is sent back to congress, sent back to the senate, what is the most important policy that can be pushed for, that can be pushed for on guns right now? >> look we have to close the loopholes in the background check which look a little bit like swiss cheese. we have to support an assault weapon ban. and we have to have a federal red flag law. just look at colorado, colorado springs. it gives us a blueprint for something that we have to do in the future. they had a red flag law.
that red flag law might have stopped the perpetrator, but it is one thing to pass a law, it is another thing to implement it, and they did not use the red flag law. they had the tool. they didn't take it out of the toolbox. so we have to make sure that every state that has a red flag law has training, that every person knows if you see something, say something, and we have to pass it so every state has the red flag law which can be lifesaving if we use it. >> this is your work and you and i have known each other a long time. how do you avoid feeling hopeless, fighting on this issue? >> well, you know, when we first met, many, many years ago, gun safety was the third rail of american politics, and election time, people ran away from it. and the political calculus has changed so significantly. we've got, as i say, every democrat voting on gun safety
bills, 15 republicans, we've got people who are no longer running away from it but in fact in election time are running toward it. and i think we made significant progress. but there's more to do. there's no question about it. >> john feinblatt, thank you for coming to "the last word". >> thanks. the murder of five people at a gay club in colorado springs didn't happen in a vacuum. nbc news reports that a new study found that reports of hate crime against lbgtq people in major cities increased by 51% in 2021. some republican lawmakers and right wing media personalities are relentless, relentless pushers of anti-lbgtq rhetoric. the report by human rights campaign found that in the month after florida republicans passed the "don't say gay bill," extremist politicians and allies
engineered an unprecedented and dangerous lbgtq misinformation campaign that saw discriminatory and inflammatory grooming content surge by more than 400% across social media platforms. there's been a concerted effort by right-wingers to menace lbgtq folks out of public spaces. the attack at club q now makes folks wonder if they are safe in their own spaces? >> our community is shattered. this is the only lbgtq space we have in the city of colorado springs. where are we going to go? how can we now do anything knowing that something like this can happen. >> joining us now kelly robinson, the new president of human rights campaign, also with us, keir johnson, executive director of the national lbgtq
task force. kelly, i just want to give you the floor to start us off, with your reaction. >> i have no words. this is devastating. look, safety in the united states is an illusion. last week, we have seen three mass shootings take place. we are not safe in grocery stores, we're not safe on school trips, we are not safe in nightclubs and other places that we go to celebrate who we are. this is a moment of crisis, especially for the lbgtq plus community, especially for black, brown, and folks of color in this country. but the thing that is important to know is that this isn't happening by accident. we see a direct line from violent anti-lbgtq+ rhetoric online, from anti-lbgtq attacks, led by political, and for every politician that has attacked us, we see you for who you are and eare demanding better. >> how can we combat that kind
of rhetoric? >> i think we have to be vigilant and we have to call it out for what it is. you know, kelley was just saying it, you don't get to feed violence and hate through language and through laws and through policies and cultural norms and then, as, you know, thoughts and prayers our way out of it, you know, we have to call these people out for what they're saying, for what they're seeding and hold them responsible in our communes across the country. >> what will it take? because your book, talking about the rhetoric, the inflammatory rhetoric, that republican politicians and, you know, right wing folks in media have been engaged in, what will it take to
make them stop? >> i just want to be clear too about what this crisis is. nearly one in five of any type of hate crime is now motivated by anti-lbgtq+ bias. we cannot look away from the reality of what our community is experiencing. and we've got address it in a multi-pronged way. we need social media platforms to enforce their own nondiscrimination policies and stop this proliferation of hate speech online. we need the department of justice and the fbi and local law enforcement agencies to articulate a plan to not only prevent but to end the violent hate crimes that are occurring. and of course, we're calling on everyone to take a roll in fighting back against the hateful attacks that we're seeing from politicians at the state level, and to also do all that we can to address this epidemic of gun violence. we're presenting hope here. the hope is that we can do this together. people are not standing for this level of extremism.
we saw that a few tuesdays ago in the 2022 midterms. we are seeing a shift here. the opportunity is to turn the energy that people have, the anger that they have, the fear that they have, to action and policy change. >> how important is it to create a more inclusive society there there is more forceful pushback when right wingers make these hateful statements. >> we've got to be engaging people at the state level and the federal level, and getting people to continue, or begin, in some cases, to put pressure on they're elected, and when i say elected, i don't just mean our congressional members, of course i mean our elected in congress but in the state legislatures, frankly, in our school boards, and city councils, we cannot underestimate our own power and there is a lot of power at the local and state level, and we've got to be engaged, right,
around, again, nondiscrimination policies, and we've seen on the federal level, far too many policies and bills that have been introduced that are laying dormant, like the george floyd justice in policing act, there's no reason that that is not moving. i was in colorado when columbine happened. it was surreal to me to be in 2022, watching this happen all over again. and the reality is that it is the same thing. we are seeing this violent dehumanizing rhetoric, we are seeing, you know, easy access to guns, and no matter, we're seeing it in relationship to black folks being gunned down in the street, people gunning down folks in, you know, in churches, and people getting gunned down in clubs and bars, folks, it's just at what point are we going
to make enough noise and hold their feet to the fire? >> just want to point out, two of the nation's largest lbgtq+ civil rights organizations run by two powerful black women. thank you very much for coming to "the last word". coming up, former vice president mike pence made it clear, after the insurrection at the capitol, that he had no interest in talking to the january 6th committee. but what happens when it is the justice department who wants questions answered? that's next. jerry, you've got to see this. seen it. trust me, after 15 walks it gets a little old. [golf ball bounces off rover] [ding] ugh. find your beat your moment of calm find your potential then own it
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when it comes to the january 6th capitol riot, mike pence is more than willing to talk about his experiences that day, so long as he's able to promote his book in the process. if you've got television cameras or newspaper pages to fill, even better. the one group pence won't talk to about donald trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the january 6th committee. he closed the door on that less than a week ago in a tv interview, of course. >> i never stood in the way of senior members of my team cooperating with the committee and testifying, but congress has no right to my testimony. >> you're closing the door on that entirely? >> i'm closing the door on that. >> look, what about justice department prosecutors?
that's the question tonight, following a new report from "the new york times" that d.o.j. investigators are looking to question the former vice president as part of its january 6th investigation. the times reports, quote, mr. pence, according to people familiar with his thinking is, open to considering the request, recognizing that the justice department's criminal investigation is different from the inquiry by the house january 6th committee, whose overtures he has flatly rejected. the discussions about questioning mr. pens are said to be in their early stages. mr. pence has not been subpoenaed and the process could take months, because mr. trump can seek to block, or slow, his testimony, by trying to invoke executive privilege. trump trying to invoke executive privilege to stop two of pence's top aides from speaking to the justice department's grand jury. didn't work. both reportedly testified to the grand jury over the summer. is there former boss next?
and will trump try to stand in the way of that testimony if pence is indeed willing? joining us now, former acting solicitor general of the united states, also with us, is glen kirsch ner, a former federal prosecutor, both are msnbc legal analysts. thank you both for being here. glen, starting with you, from a prosecutor standpoint, what's the benefit of speaking to pence, especially considering they've already spoken to his two top deputies? >> you want to get, you want to get it right out of the horse's mouth. let's remember, pence is not only a fact witness, to donald trump's pressure campaign, trying to get him to essentially violate the law, the electoral counteract, he's also a victim, and i have to say, jonathan, when i heard mike pence say he was closing the door on testifying at the january 6th meeting, i found that to be deeply unpatriotic. he puts these revelations in his
book. he profits off revealing information about donald trump trying to pressure him to overturn the election's results, but when it comes to testifying before a congressional committee, that is trying to enact legislation, to prevent another insurrection in the future, he closes the door on that. as i say, i find it to be deeply unpatriotic. >> i see you nodding your head, and i want you to respond to what glen said, but what do you make of the former vice president refusing to talk to the january 6th committee while on his book tour? >> exactly. so there are two investigations, jonathan, about january 6th. one is done by congress. and one is done by the justice department. the justice department one is a criminal investigation, meaning jail time is possible. >> there the congressional one is one about uncovering the facts. pence has said in that interview you showed last week that he is refusing to talk to congress,
which is, i agree entirely, it sun patriotic but it is frankly disqualifying if he thinks as a president of the united states, that he will go ahead and tell the truth before congress, and he is hiding in the shadows and continuing to hide thus far, so i'm glad that the justice department is call oggen this, and you're like a central figure in all of this, you were there at all of the key times, you're kind of the forrest gump of january 6th so you've got to tell us what happened. and look, i think that there's a chance that trump might cooperate, or excuse me, that pence will cooperate without a subpoena, because you know, if you think about it, if an angry mob tried to kill you or me, we would probably have a few things to say to the investigators, and so, you know, there's that possibility, but i think the more likely thing is trump will try, because he always does, any legal maneuver to block his
testimony asserting executive privilege, and as you say that, is exactly the maneuver that failed before, and it will fail again. >> to neal's point, glen, he was there, meaning mike pence was there and the committee hearings revealed just how much danger pence himself was in on january 6th. take a look. >> i remember pat saying something to the effect of mark, you need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung and mark had responded something to the something, you heard him pat, he thinks mike deserves it, they don't think they're doing anything wrong and to which pat said we this is f'ing crazy, we need to be doing something. >> what charges might prosecutors be looking at for trump or his circle for january 6th? >> oh, goodness. where to begin. so inciting an insurrection. potentially still a seditious
conspiracy. i think there is still some evidence that needs to be developed on that front. obviously obstructing an official proceeding. the electoral college count. the vote certification. he was unlawfully pressuring a high government official, mike pence, urging him to violate the law. so, and mike pence, jonathan, he can close the door on testifying to the january 6th committee and he can close the door on a voluntary interview with federal prosecutors. federal prosecutors can't compel him to come in for a voluntary injury. you know what he can't close the door on, a federal grand jury subpoena, let him try to close that door and i expect special counsel jack smith will kick that door wide open and perhaps even off the hinges and mike pence will end up inside a federal grand jury. >> neal, one more question for you, but on an almost different subject, it's about the jury deliberations that are under way in the oath keepers seditious
conspiracy case. it was an ambitious charge. do you think the verdict will impact what d.o.j. decides to do about future january 6th charges? >> you can go ahead -- >> neal -- >> i spent seven weeks at the trial. >> oh, that's right. >> all good. and no case is a sure thing, but i watched the prosecutors and looking at the death threats, former colleagues of mine, trying an expert case and as often we're criticizing decisions of the department of justice, we need to give them props because the american people were extremely well represented in this prosecution, and i suspect that things are going to fall, the prosecution's way, and we will begin to start to see guilty verdicts come out of that jury and it will take some time, it was a long trial and there are five defendants on
trial, and i think if the seditious conspiracy charges stick, you will see that sort of embolden the prosecution to continue to move forward. you may even see defendants who are pending trial in seditious conspiracy cases, there are more oath keepers to be tried, the proud boys will be tried for seditious conspiracy, you might see some of those dominos start to fall, some more guilty pleas entered, and even perhaps with cooperation, and i think that will keep the ball rolling in the direction of justice. >> neal, i owe you one, because of my faulty memory. i owe you one. thank you both very much for coming back to "the last word". coming up, herschel walker had trouble saying the word election on television last night. but with his runoff against senator raphael warnock 13 days away, that may be the least of his worries. we'll explain after this. ast of his worries. we'll explain after this in 99% of people over 50.
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if senate republicans want to enter the new congress in a split senate and maintain a power sharing agreement, giving them equal say on committees, they must get georgia voters to elect this man. >> first of all, this election is more than herschel walker. this election is about the people. and i said this is we the people, not we the government. >> that was an unfortunate mispronunciation of the word election. especially considering walker's
current controversies, aside from herschel walker's many gaffes, new reporting suggests the political land scape in georgia could be shifting less than two weeks from the senate runoff. today, the georgia supreme court reinstated a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. less than a week after a lower court overturned that ban. midterm exit polling data from nbc news found that among democratic voters in georgia, abortion was the top issue that brought them to the polls. additionally, a majority of georgia voters say abortions should be legal. rafael warnock, who is also a refrpz, made abortion rights a core tenet of his campaign, and earned nearly 38,000 more votes than herschel walker in georgia's general election. organizers in georgia are hoping that voters will again award raphael warnock more votes to defend reproductive rights and
one group represents veterans and military families released this tizement this much. >> it ask a simple choice really, either you and i get out to vote to protect the freemgds we've fought for, or we get a senator who will vote to ban abortion first chance he gets. >> early voting in georgia will start this saturday in at least 22 counties. georgia's republican secretary of state tried to block that because of a georgia law that bars saturday voting if there is a holiday within two days before it. but senator raphael warnock and georgia's democratic party sued, arguing that restriction did not apply to runoffs and the courts agreed. joining us now natasha brown, co-founder of the georgia-based organization, black voters matter fund. also with us stuart stevens, a veteran of five republican presidential campaigns, and he is a principal with resolute square, a pro-democracy media platform. thank you both very much for being here.
latasha, black voters matter was on the ground in georgia distributing food ahead of thanksgiving and stressing the importance of the runoff election. as you've talked to voters throughout the state, what are you hearing? does the enthusiasm feel high? >> well, thank you for having me, and happy thanksgiving. we have been on the ground, and what we see from voters, that voters are very concerned about what is happening and while we're looking at herschel walker and so many people we've talked to about the campaign, they're concerned about herschel walker not only not being prepared but being an american, and also being in this race, there are instances of -- i don't know if the word is as much as -- people are giving him the boot and they will come out and they are going to vote and i think we are going to be resolute.
>> resolute, that's the right word. stuart, how do you think today's ruling reinstating the state's six week ban on abortion will impact this race, and conversely, how motivated are conservatives to come out for walker, given that democrats have already won control of the senate? >> well, the whole walker candidacy was an absurdity. with the general election you got 200,000 fewer votes than kemp did, at the top of the ticket, and so this was just a bad idea that sort of is playing itself out inevitably. i think that it really, the only excuse to vote for walker really, if you are a republican, was control of the senate. and that's gone now. so i don't think this is going to be particularly close. the only danger would be if georgia voters thought that warnock had it in the bag. but all of the efforts that are going on, on the ground, i think
it will counter it. >> la tasha, senator warnock's latest ad was about thanksgiving. let's play some of it. >> politics these days, they are often used to divide them but thanksgiving offers us an opportunity to consider all of the things we share in common. we all want better lives for our children. we all want to live in safe and secure communities. and we all want to be treated with dignity and respect. let us pause this thanksgiving and celebrate that these are the values that inspire us all. >> latasha, that ad made zero mention of herschel walker, or the runoff election, and ended with a prayer. how do you feel that ad will play among georgia voters who local reports suggest have become fatigued and are tired of the nonstop attack ads? >> it's an absolutely brilliant ad. at the end of the day, i would
say it is right, and in that ad, senator warnock is looking at how this election is set aside for thanksgiving, and this is not about a political race, this is about our power, where we have a person in office that needs an agenda -- >> you know, before we go, in the new reporting from the texas tribune, that found that herschel walker has been claiming a tax exemption in texas that he can only qualify for if he is a primary resident of texas. and walker took that exemption this year, even after launching his senate bid, and msnbc reached out for a comment, but has referred no response. my question to you, do you think at this point in the race that that development will have any impact, whether legally or politically, on herschel walker's candidacy? >> well, you know, in this kind of runoff, like at the end of a
campaign, you want to win every day, and the fact that it comes out that you don't really live in the state that you're running for wouldn't be counted as a plus. you have to imagine, what was it like in the room where they said we should get herschel walker to run for the senate in georgia. i mean it's just a ridiculous idea. i mean no one in the u.s. senate who did get elect wood ever say, you know, i'm going to ask herschel what he thinks about this issue and georgia has two great senators now and i think that ad by warnock, i thought it was terrific. he is having a very good campaign. i think this is one of the better candidates running the better campaign is going to win this thing. >> we will find out for sure on december 6th. latosha brown, stuart stevens, as always, thank you very much. nancy pelosi has long been a trailblazer on the issue of lbgtq rights. coming up next, a navy veteran who saw pelosi's leadership
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75% women, people of color and lbgtq. >> the second national march on washington for lesbian and gay rights was held more than 35 years ago on october 11th, 1987, in response to the reagan administration's failure to respond to the aids epidemic. this is how "the new york times" described the march in 1987. the rally began at 9:00 a.m. with music and a statement from dan bradley, a white house aide in the carter administration, who suffers from aids. mr. bradley said he took greatest satisfaction in the fact that after a lifetime of struggle and fear, i had the courage in 1982 to say loud and clear, i am gay and i'm proud. that message was echoed throughout the daylong demonstration, as a succession of speakers urged participants to stand up for their rights and to fight against the stigmas and stereotypes often attached to homosexuals. more than 200,000 people marched that day. including the newly-elected
congresswoman from san francisco, nancy pelosi. >> how are you enjoying your first three months in congress? >> absolutely great. this is a great day to be in the march. >> i have a strong contingent of our san franciscans here in washington, i've marched in every gay parades, freedom day parades, and this is a logical thing for me to do. >> our next guest was also at the march that day. this is navy veteran james brown. he posted this photo online the day speaker nancy pelosi announced her retirement as democratic leader in the house. he wrote this caption for the photo. i marched with the california contingent, with my friends from the bay area, where i was stationed, and there was nancy pelosi, she saw what i was doing. she got me. she seemed to know what i was going through, and why i was there, and she, a person who was going to go make some laws, made
me know that it mattered to her, that we were doing good work that day, and that she was going to continue that progress in the capitol that we were all marching toward. joining us now is the navy veteran from that photo, and speaker nancy pelosi, james brown. mr. brown, thank you for being here. it is great to see you. you posted that photo after speaker pelosi announced she was stepping down from democratic leadership. what was your reaction to hearing her announcement? >> well, i was going about my business, it was the end of the work day and i didn't know it was going to happen, and i heard it on tv, i heard the announcement, i heard the speech that you just showed, and i had to sit down, like i didn't expect to have that kind of reaction, but what it did is it provided for me, like a book end to a story that started on that
day. i'm older now, she is a lot older and in that moment, i felt close to her because i remembered she was such an important part of the beginning of this journey for me. >> what was your personal reaction to seeing nancy pelosi on pennsylvania avenue that day? >> well, it makes me so happy to see that picture, and i've never seen the video that you just played of that day, and it was just -- things were so dark then, to be a gay person in america, with the government's response to aids, and being in the military, and you know, i didn't think it would be such a big deal to be gay in the military but i had to hide it from my friends, and it seemed so stupid, and all of that wass and all of that was because of government policy, and so then there's nancy pelosi at the march, and you know, i didn't know who she was. my friend were political activists and they said that's nancy pelosi, she's our new
congresswoman. she's so hot, first of all, let's go talk to her. she did then. i went over and talked to her, and she heard my story. she told me, this is what i'm here for. it's not going to be like this once i get up there in the capitol that we march to. >> mr. brown, one more question for you, and you look hot too in that uniform, and i'm wondering, what made you wear your uniform to that march. >> well, that was part of the reason. >> so that was it, you just wore your uniform? >> no, that wasn't even -- i mean, i would have worn my dress blues if that's what i was going for. i just wanted to show that gay people were in the military, and i expected there to be a lot more people there in uniform,
but there weren't. >> what would you say to speaker pelosi if you had a chance to talk to her as she winds down her time as house democratic leader. >> well, of course i'd say thank you to her for her life of service. something that i hope that we can do in this moment is reflect on what a life of passionate and dedicated service can do to be able to see how life was then for a gay american in the military, scared of aids compared to how it is now, and see that she was there in leadership when all of that was happening shows us what a human being can do when they work really hard, and she's an inspiration to us all. above all, thank you, and i know she's not going to probably start resting anytime soon, but she deserves to, if she chooses to.
>> james brown, you know, you both are still cute after all of these years. thank you. thank you both. thank you, mr. brown, for coming to the last word. tonight's last word is next. st . . with up to 50% more lotion, puffs brings soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. find your beat a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. your moment of calm find your potential then own it support your immune system with a potent blend of nutrients and emerge your best every day with emergen-c
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president biden and his family are spending the thanksgiving holiday on nantucket, vice president harris and her family are spending the holiday in california. and on this thanksgiving eve, i'm taking point of personal privilege to share once again, one of my favorite videos ever. november 24th, 2019, three years ago tomorrow. then presidential candidate kamala harris answering my husband nick's question about thanksgiving turkey preparation. this was in south carolina while she was getting a mic check before an appearance on "politics nation", and since i don't know anything about cooking, i recorded the whole answer on my phone.
take a look. >> if you have time to do a wet brine, that's fine, and do it like a pot of water, a couple bay leaves, a little sugar, a couple pepper corns, you could do a slice of orange, something like that. oh, yes, hi. yes, i'm here. okay. i'm going to talk about a recipe while you're checking, is that okay. tell me if i'm annoying her. >> okay. >> hey, how you doing? hi. okay. so, nick, if you're doing -- okay. nick, but a dry brine is easier. and do it -- brine for 24, but 48 hours is best, if you have the time. you guys getting a fresh turkey. >> yeah, it's being delivered tomorrow. >> one minute, i have one minute. kosher salt, fresh ground pepper, maybe chop up a little
thyme, and just -- and then you can mix it -- okay so do the salt and pepper all over, lather that baby up, right, on the outside, in the cavity. you could also chop up -- but not with the thyme, just the salt and pepper. mix that up also with some thyme, you could do a little rosemary if you want, under the skin, with some butter. before you're going to cook it. >> uh-huh. >> so that butter will just melt in there and then get a nice big bottle of cheap white wine to baste with butter. >> yes, hi. >> happy thanksgiving, and remember to give thanks to the farm workers who work tirelessly every day to get that food to our tables. that is tonight's last word. i'll see you on the sunday show starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. good morning, and welcome to a special holiday edition of "morning joe" on this thanksgiving morning. we hope you and your family