which i think father very much helped me to articulate. in my mind. there's something a little bit less mediatic dramatic. there's less of, oh, that's new. i've never seen that before, and much more of a sense of something that almost feels like that peaceful coming home to a house that is familiar. and i think right now, in a world that is so divided, as pope leo the 14th mentioned in his homily, that idea of being able to find that peacefulness, that comfort of home, is something that i'm seeing with all of these people so quietly, peacefully, not that many phones in the air, just living the moment instead of trying to sort of be someplace, doing several places at once. and so i think the sober, the sobriety of this pope is something that is, is a very interesting turn of events. >> claudio. livonia that is a contrast when, just a few hours

ago, he was riding around in the popemobile and people were catching their first glimpse of pope leo, and they were cheering and you could feel sense the excitement and now the solemnity and the respect of this moment. tell me what you're seeing and feeling there. >> no, you're right, chris. i mean, the pope appears to be as humble as his words. there are a few passages from his homily that struck me. the first one was when he said i was chosen without any merit of my own. and now, with fear and trembling, i begin my pontificate. and that shows you how humble this pope is, and how humble he wants the church to be. he also called for a church that is united, a united church that also, in cooperation with all the christian churches, show a sign of unity and communion, which

becomes 11 for a reconciled world. also of the parts of the homily distract me are the ones where once again it talks about peace. he's talking. he's been talking about peace. he mentioned peace many times during every time he spoke in the last ten days. and he said, in these our time, we still see too much discord, too many wounds caused by hatred, violence, prejudice, the fear of difference, and an economic paradigm that exploits the earth's resources and marginalized the poorest. so this is a pope, as we expected, that is looking out to the marginalized, to the poorest, and also looking out for peace. chris. >> and we return now to the mass. >> effect, domine, with. in the heavenly places and humbly and treated by the power of this mystery. strengthen your church in unity and charity, and grant that i, your servant, whom you

have entrusted with the petrine ministry, may always, together with the flock entrusted to my care, experience your saving, help and protection through christ our lord. >> at the end of. >> this celebration, i greet and thank all of you romans and pilgrims from many parts of the world who desired to. >> take part. >> in particular, i express my gratitude to the delegations, official delegations. from numerous countries especially, as well. >> as. >> to the representatives of ecclesial but communities and other churches and religious delegations also thank all of the many people who come from

many parts of. >> the world, many continents, for. >> the jubilee of the of confraternities. carissimi. dear brothers. >> and sisters. >> thank you. because you keep alive the. the flame of devotion to francesco. i recall the compagnia. >> pope francis, who accompanies us from heaven, and his devotion. >> in this dimension of communion with the saints. i recall that yesterday in chambéry in france, the priest. was the was canonized a pastorale. >> an. >> example of great.

>> faith and pastoral ministry. in this moment we cannot forget our brothers and sisters who suffer. >> because of war. >> in gaza. the children, families. the elderly and those who have survived. >> have been reduced to famine. >> in myanmar. >> in myanmar. >> new hostilities have. taken many young, innocent lives in ukraine awaits. >> negotiations for. >> peace and for a. lasting and just peace. and as we. >> entrust to our lady the ministry of the. >> successor of. >> peter and the barque of

peter, let us look to the blessed virgin mary. mother of good. >> counsel. >> star of the sea, that is the power from her gift of peace. and so that she may sustain us. sustain us, and grace for each of us, so that. >> we may be bear witness to the risen christ. and we sing the regina coeli. >> alleluia! the lord. be. he who we are. for our strength. i

will your. god. virgo maria alleluya. hallelujah! glorious day us to domini nostri jesu christi. oh god, who through the resurrection of your son, our lord jesus christ, did vouchsafe to give joy to the world. grant, we beseech you, that through his mother, the virgin mary, we may obtain the joys of everlasting life through the same christ our lord. amen. spiritui sancto, here in they said to us and the lord. amen. gloria patri et spiritui sancto in principio. and they said that he said, our

lord. amen. glory, glory be to. >> the father, and to. >> the son. >> and to the holy. >> spirit. >> as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. amen. >> dona eis, domine. >> for the faithful departed eternal rest grant unto them, o lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. may they. >> rest. >> in peace. and now we prepare. >> to receive the. >> solemn blessing from. the holy father. >> pope leo the 14th. at the conclusion. >> of this mass of inauguration of his petrine ministry. >> dominus vobiscum.

>> table. >> benediction. they used to. a dominican nun are. praise be to the. visit of mr. protegé quam dextera to the are. removed from. benedicta omnipotens deus. at their et filio et spiritus sanctus are. as we received the

holy fathers. solemn blessing, we hear the deacon intone. >> go forth, the mass is ended. thanks be to god. >> missa. gloria. >> and we hear the crowd.

applaud for. >> pope leo. >> the. >> 14th as he. >> concludes this. >> mass. >> of inauguration. we see beside the altar the. >> image of our lady of good counsel. >> as we mentioned earlier, this was. >> the. >> first. visit that. >> the pope. >> made was to. >> the sanctuary. >> the shrine of. >> our lady of good. >> counsel near rome. and this image, so that. >> it might. >> our lady might accompany his first. >> or his. >> excuse me, his inauguration mass. and with. that. >> conclude this. >> live broadcast of the holy. mass marking the solemn inauguration of the petrine ministry. >> of his holiness pope leo the 14th. >> please visit the vatican news web portal. or facebook, instagram and youtube accounts. >> so pope leo the 14th, who

walks off one stage, a physical stage constructed just for moments like these, but in a very real sense, walks on to the world stage and a responsibility unlike any other in the world. virtually unknown just two weeks ago now, pope leo officially with this inaugural mass leading the world's 1.4 billion catholics with the ability to influence so many more as he meets with other church leaders one by one. but he was in front of 250,000 people, world leaders for more than 150 countries. he entered a square with a crowd that fervently wanted to hear what this new pope had to say to his flock. and after this ceremony, which was filled with, i guess, a kind of touches you would expect from centuries of tradition, including the presentation of the pallium, which symbolizes the pope's role as a shepherd, the fisherman's

ring, a link to saint peter's, the fisherman, apostle and first leader of the catholic church, leo the 14th, delivered a homily that focused on love and unity and invoked saint augustine, who founded, of course, the order that pope leo joined almost 43 years ago. he called for animating the missionary spirit love thy neighbor. he called out hatred, violence and economic inequality. >> in this our time, we still see too much discord, too many wounds caused by hatred, violence, prejudice, the fear of difference, and an economic paradigm that exploits the earth's resources and marginalizes the poorest. for our part, we want to be a small leaven of unity, communion, and fraternity. >> let's bring back our extraordinary panel, starting

with nbc news international correspondent claudio lavanga. chris white is vatican correspondent for the national catholic reporter and an msnbc contributor. both are reporting live from the vatican. elizabeth lev, vatican author, historian and guide. father timothy kesicki, president of the jesuit conference. also joining me, father jim sichko of the papal missionary of mercy. welcome to all, father kesicki. he used the words gratitude, fear, and trembling when i was speaking to some people at the funeral. but before the conclave, one woman said to me, she marveled at the idea that someone would take on a job this enormous. how big is the job that pope leo is facing right now? >> well. >> when you think that he's really what is the 267th successor to saint peter when you're looking over 2000 years, not many people have held. have

walked in the shoes of the fishermen, as we like to say. and i know that he would feel the weight of it. he also knows that, you know, at the heart of it, you know, a pope is a priest and he's been a priest. desire, that's his vocation from the start. and so he knows that the priesthood that he lived out in. >> all parts. >> of the world continues in this ministry. so i'm always in awe of, you know, when he put on the pallium, which is in a sense it's taken from sheep's wool, so it is carrying the lost sheep that i think it's both a blessing and a burden to him. and i think he'll hold the two in, in equal balance. and, and we know he's the bridge between us and god. that's pontiff. and i think he's going to always there's this great line that pope john now saint pope saint john the 23rd, once said when things were heavy, he would pray, it's your church, god, i'm going to go to bed. and i think he's probably going to invoke that same spirit, recognizing what he can do and what he

brings to god. >> a learning curve, for sure, just in terms of trying to pace yourself. there are a lot of people who will be pushing at him. father sichko, i wonder, as we think about him as a priest delivering a homily. and it also occurred to me there are a lot of parishioners out there who may be wishing that their priest was as concise and as clear as his homily was, but what do you think? he tells us with his words today about the kind of pope he wants to be? >> well. >> you know, first of all, i want to thank all of you. >> in your panel. >> for. >> really spreading. >> the word for evangelizing in the beautiful way that you are. i think one of the things that really strikes me as this missionary tone that. >> he shared was, you know. >> people often. >> ask. >> why did jesus. >> go and leave the 99 to go find the one who was lost? well, you don't realize that until

you're the one who. >> is. >> lost and jesus comes to you. i think this pope really. >> shares with. >> us the importance of recognizing those missionary territories. >> we all. >> have places that we know that need. our help and god's help. and through god's help, we are able to help them. and through his stability, he really sees. he really sees someone who is very stable and yet very, very rooted in the love and the obedience as a man of christ. and i believe that people are feeling that ripple effect historically. >> liz, let me ask you to put on your historian's hat. you have many have popes been what you see is what you get or how much evolution, especially in this fast changing world, might we

expect to see with this pope? >> well, i think a big part, the most immediate answer to that question is the fact that the pope changes his name from the very beginning, from from peter, who whose name is changed, he changes. and so, again, this, this robert prévost, who we saw just a little over a week ago, is no longer exactly the same man. he comes out to us with the with the with the fullness of the 266 successors behind him, with the assistance of the 140 saints that were standing in those statues around the around the square, and were called upon in the in the in the litany of the saints. he is the vicar of christ, and it's a new person that we're looking at, so i think we can expect him. i think we should expect him to change. there will be part of his dna that will always be present, but

i think we'll see him evolve. and i think that's what we're all praying for, that as he takes on this immense responsibility that everybody on this panel and in the world understands, he will have to grow and grow in order to develop shoulder strong enough to bear the weight of that pallium we just saw put on them. >> chris, you're writing a biography on this new pope with a look inside the conclave. do you think that the cardinals who elected him heard from leo today? what they hoped when they made that awesome decision? >> i think i think they did. i think. >> one of the things that was at. >> the top of. >> their mind. >> when they went into the conclave was, how do you bring together a church that is so diverse and unify it? and that's what was at the top of leo's mind today. and it was really interesting to hear him address an audience that included the. >> president of. >> israel, the president.

>> of. >> ukraine, and say. >> the world. >> needs unity right now and the church has to come together and provide unity so we can set a better example. and i think that weighs heavily on him. we've heard him time and time again since over the last ten days, make appeals for peace. and i think he really feels that peace begins in his own church. and that's what he's trying to set out to do. >> and claudio, obviously, this is a day that is in many ways just beginning, although we should note, it is the coming up on the lunch hour, which is sacred in italian culture at least. but what is the rest of the pope's day look like? >> well, i think that what was happening on the side of that, out to the left side of that altar, chris, was just as important as the mass himself. as chris was saying, the pope. at the end of the mass, he once again highlighted the humanitarian crisis in gaza, saying that children and elderly are reduced to famine, and that

is a message that will have resounded strongly with president herzog of israel, who was sitting among the dignitaries and the delegations there. also, the vatican said that the pope, before the mass, met with the president of ukraine, zelensky, zelensky. we have seen him shaking hands with marco rubio, the secretary of state, and vice president j.d. vance, before the mass. we haven't seen whether they exchange a sign of peace because they were a bit distant. and also vatican tv moved away from him. but but that he said, all these things are just as important as the mass itself, because this is a pope that is going to have a major impact on the world stage, not only for the 1.4 billion catholics around the world, but also for the rest of the world. exactly. for the reasons i've just explained. >> he's also joining us now is george weigel, nbc news senior vatican analyst. so george, as i looked at him, i thought, no

pressure, right? he does have some managerial experience, but i think when he was heading the augustinian order, it was, what, 3000 or somewhere in the low thousands? you've watched popes up close and personal, notably, of course, saint john paul the second, who you wrote the incredible biography of. but but you've watched benedict, you've watched francis. everyone handles this life change differently. i think his brother understated it when he said, this is a life altering moment. what will you be watching for from this pope in the early days? and what clues did you get in the last ten days? >> chris, good to see you. i. >> i think there's. >> been a bit. too much speculation based on very. >> little evidence about where pope. >> leo intends to take the church. >> and the church. >> in its interface with the world. let me just. >> reflect on.

>> this question of gaza. >> and ukraine. for a minute. >> the pope is an augustinian saint. >> augustine defined. >> peace as. the tranquility of order, and order includes justice, which means peace cannot be built on rewarding aggression, whether that is russian aggression or hamas aggression. so it's going to be a very, very delicate task if the vatican indeed is able to pose itself as a mediator because a mediator who builds a true peace is. >> going to. >> have to call that aggressor in some fashion to account. so i think we need to dial down the expectations on. >> that a little bit. >> secondly, i am amazed. >> at how. >> calm this. pope is now. >> john paul the second, if you will, eased into. >> the. >> role rather. >> rather quickly. he had been a

man of the theater. he knew how to act a role and he did it brilliantly. this man has not had this kind of a large responsibility, and yet he has rather seamlessly put on the office of the successor of peter. and that's a very good. sign for the future. everyone i have spoken with here in rome, who has met with. him since his election, says that he is a terrific listener. he knows how to listen well. this was another feature of the pontificate of. john paul ii. around him every day breakfast, lunch and dinner, trying. >> to learn. >> from them what he needed to know. so the fact that pope leo immediately. impresses people as a good listener is a very good sign. so i think we need to wait and see how this is going to unfold. but it's off to a very,

very encouraging start. >> something else strikes me, father, which is that before the conclave, so many analysts said to me, i think the church is going to be looking for someone who's not going to serve a long, long time. and yet here we have a 69 year old pope who doesn't look 69 years old, who's very vital, who plays tennis, who could very well serve six, 20 years and beyond. we're coming off of papacies, where certainly with with john paul and then obviously with francis, who in their final years were ill, were frail. that image for many people, especially young people, is very different from what we're seeing from this pope. what opportunities might that present? >> yes, i. >> live in a community. >> of a bunch of younger jesuits in training, and many of them have said. >> can you keep up? >> they've never. so i'm trying.

they said, they've never seen a pope 69 years old. now. i had. >> the it was i. >> was a senior in high school when i saw saint john paul ii come to philadelphia and to see a 59, 60 year old pope. >> it was a near riot. >> it was, it was. >> and i mean, to see that kind of youth. and we're seeing that now in, in, in pope leo the 14th. and there's an enthusiasm to see that, that youthful energy. so i think that is that is very encouraging. i also think that we don't know he may be pope for 20 years, even longer. he's in great health. he has great stamina. but that's part of the beauty. of faith, is we trust god. god brings us through the holy spirit, the election of a pope and god calls. a pope home. and so again, i think it's again that that faith link that helps give beauty to the meaning of what it is to be catholic and to church. >> yeah, i remember when then pope john paul was hiking and, you know, going into the mountains and the united states. and so we'll see what this pope brings us. we have so much to

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election, he hasn't been shy about staking out positions. in stark contrast to current u.s. policy, particularly on immigration and war. joining us now, jonathan capehart, associate editor at the washington post, and elise jordan, a former aide in the george w bush white house and msnbc political analyst, both of them co-host of the weekend on msnbc, which is coming up at the top of the hour. so look, at least this pope has not shied away from politically charged issues. and while the pope, in his homily, was saying that we should build a new world where peace reigns, a gaza was being bombed again. hospitals say 75 people died on immigration, his brother said. i know he's not happy with what's going on. i don't think he'll be silent. one of the most fascinating aspects i think of this papacy could start very, very early, which is the contrast between these two world leaders in very different ways. and they could not be more different on some critical

issues of war and peace, life and death. >> well, i think that watching the pope and just the majesty of the moment and the solemness and just being taken away a bit into the ritual of it, it just upheld the dignity and reminded us what the church can be at its best. and, you know, there have been hard catholic church certainly has had hard times in recent years, but you just hope for a leader who brings out the best in you. and that was what i think everyone is so hopeful for. and you're seeing in the outpouring of early support, even. and so, yes, it's a dramatic contrast from donald trump, who is doom and gloom, american carnage, and then someone who wants to uphold the individual and also be a servant for the poor, which is what his you know, what he's really emphasized in his writings and speaking. >> yeah. we're watching pope leo greeting many of the dignitaries who are there for the mass. jonathan. he has reposted articles and statements on social media. this was before becoming pope, including on

child separation, calling it morally not defensible. the repeal of daca, he called heartless and fueling racism and nationalism, and he called trump's rhetoric on the issue overall problematic. he has been a consistent messenger. i guess the question is, now that he's elevated to pope, who will be listening? does he have a real voice in political discourse beyond the church? >> well, it depends on. >> whether the pope decides to be as specific in naming specific american. policies and specific american politicians now that. he is pope, because once you take out the specific policy positions and the specific people and look at the issue, the issues, you know, children being separated from families, treating the treating migrants with respect and dignity that could be applied to any number of situations around the world. so it will be

interesting to see if the pope continues to be very specific in his criticism now that he's been elevated, now that he's been elevated to pope. the thing that's interesting here. >> chris. >> is that the president of the united states is not catholic, but his vice president is, as you noted in your introduction, he converted to catholicism. he also shares with the pope the same patron saint. they both augustinian catholics. and so i, i will watch to see if vice president vance serves as a as a diplomat or a mediator between the between the pope and the president of the united states when it comes to these big major issues. because as we as we all know, president trump is not shy about leveling criticism against people who level criticism at him. >> you know, it's also interesting, elise. >> we and. >> it's understandable people like to put others in boxes. right. are you liberal? are you

conservative? and it's going to be a little tough with this pope, because on some of those issues, like caring for the poor, like immigration, people would say, oh, he's liberal, but he has. >> christian though. >> yeah. well, that that's part of my point because on issues like abortion, on issues like married priests, he sticks to what has long been church doctrine. and i wonder if in that if in saying that he won't allow gays to be married in the church, those kinds of things will limit his influence in the us. >> i am interested to see how this evolves, because we really are projecting so much onto him at this phase. so early. it's so early and who knows? you know, he's probably not going to be a super political pope at the end of the day. and you look at the kind of speeches that are made, you know, when the previous pope

came to congress, i remember one of the big messages in his address to congress was about war and about the united states and how we arm all of these conflicts around the globe. and it was a very powerful message, and one that i hope that maybe the catholics in congress are really going to, you know, respond to this and stop a lot of the arms sales we have to rogue states. but then, no, alas. but, you know, there are different messages of peace that the pope will project and pursue. and so hopefully, i'm just hoping for a positive influence. >> well, and i think opportunity is the big word to use here, right? jonathan, i know you were close to the visit that pope francis made to washington, dc. the city went crazy, father. he was talking about being young and john paul going to philadelphia. there is a platform for a pope that is unlike almost any other, that attracts people so far beyond. i can remember when the pope came to new york, and as i'm walking

up and down the streets, as he's riding through, people seem compelled to say to me, i'm not catholic, i'm jewish, or i don't even believe in god. and yet there is this desire to be around someone that represents something in the world that they think maybe is missing. i don't know, what do you think about opportunity here? >> well, you know, there's a magnetism that is drawn certainly to a new pope, but also when the new pope is younger than we're used to, the current pope is, what, 69 years old? yeah, there's he's a little closer to us, at least in age. >> but i. >> also think the magnetism has also has to do with the fact that he represents something bigger and he represents something, something bigger, something nicer, something warmer, something more dignified. and whether that's something that people feel is

missing in their lives, you know, specifically in their lives, that might be one thing, but certainly societal society wide. i think there's a there's a feeling out there that we have lost our way somehow and that with this new pope, from what we've heard about him before he became pope and what we've heard him say since becoming pope, i think people see an opportunity there to have someone who in some ways, hopefully reflects their values. and considering that he is so, he is relatively young, that he'll be on the world stage long enough so that people will get to see whether he is somebody who is fulfilling that role of, you know, upholding the dignity and the rights of people in the in our common humanity as he serves in the papacy. >> and can i just say he's not rushing these folks through? i mean, he's got a long day and a

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ad free. subscribe on apple podcasts. >> and we are back with our coverage of the induction mass for pope leo, which is ended as he's been greeting people ever since that happened. he is, of course, now at was the minute the smoke showed up at the at the chimney, the leader of the world's 1.4 billion catholics. and he has a daunting task before him. but he has laid out some clear priorities early on, including calling for an end to the ongoing conflicts in the middle east and ukraine, and on friday, offering up the vatican as the location to hold peace talks for ukraine. those who've worked with the pope in the past are optimistic that he will broaden the inclusive actions of francis with lgbtq catholics and women, although how both of those things will ultimately look remains a mystery. and like his predecessor, he's expected to prioritize the needs of the poor and the marginalized. he has long shown a passion for

immigrant rights, and in dealing with the challenges presented by the modern age, this new pope is keenly aware of the threat posed by artificial intelligence, particularly how it impacts young people around the world. my panel is back with me. chris, i want to start with you. president zelensky is there. he has an ally, obviously, in pope leo. it's one thing to say, as one of your first statements as pope. well, actually, it was his exact first statement. peace be with you. it's another to take on at least the imagery of trying to help end a war, something that has eluded world leaders for years. now. tell me what you're hearing there. what does the pope think, or at least hope he might be able to achieve? >> well. >> chris, before. >> he. became the pope. >> he sat with. >> an interview. >> in spanish language. >> interview after. >> the war began. and he was very clear, much more direct than pope francis ever was, saying that it was an

imperialist invasion of ukraine by russia. and just last sunday when he, you know, made this appeal for peace, we heard him say we need a just and lasting peace. and for the vatican, that certainly means respecting ukraine's territorial sovereignty. he's offered to play the role of mediator, or at least have the vatican, you know, facilitate that. but i think everyone here agrees. it's a it's a it will be a heavy lift. but what's critical is he's he is naming the oppressed and the oppressor in his appeals for peace. and i think that's sort of the starting point for him. >> and george, even if well, look, we all hope for peace. but even if nothing significant comes out of this offer, is there importance in in the effort? is there importance in the imagery of looking at the vatican as a place where peace might be able to happen? >> chris. >> in addition to the fine analysis. >> that we just heard from,

from. >> chris white, i will note. that pope leo met for an extended period with the head of the ukrainian greek catholic church, major archbishop sviatoslav shevchuk, who told me afterwards that the pope had listened carefully that the pope had understood the situation of this martyred church, and as his first task is to be the defender of the faithful, not the united nations. i think that was a very interesting sight. now, how does mediation work? mediation only works if there is a clear understanding of who the aggressor was and what the aggressor has to back off of, because a mediation that leads to aggression being rewarded does not create the kind of peace that pope leo, as a devoted son of saint augustine, as he said the first night of his election, knows, is built on justice and order. so we'll see

what happens. but pope leo clearly knows who did what to whom in ukraine and how that has to be remedied. >> and father sichko, the holy see's top diplomat, said that the failure of this week's russia ukraine meeting in istanbul was tragic. we should say pope leo dove right into this. some might say it shows a fearlessness that the world needs unencumbered. i guess by traditional political considerations at least he won't have to ever run for reelection. but others might argue that it shows some level of naivety, but ultimately, is this effort grounded? first and foremost in catholic teaching? is that where this is coming from? >> well, i think first of all, we have. >> to realize in. >> in being. >> a. >> leader. >> you're going to have. >> to. >> do difficult things. you're going to have to name things, you're going to have to. be rooted. and i can tell. you

something. that as pope leo seems very, very balanced. he he. seems very much, very much rooted in realizing that difficult things are going to happen. and what that means is, is that he is going. to be. >> rooted in. >> the gospel. rooted in the ways of. >> christ, rooted. >> in the. message of. >> peace. >> justice. >> and. really sometimes calling out the. >> aggressor. >> but also. >> always recognizing. >> that there is. opportunity for. >> conversion, for openness. for realizing. that i think all i. >> think that. >> it is going to. be something very powerful. >> for us to see over time. >> the conversions.

>> and i believe. >> the, the cease of. wars that will take place and. >> that a lot of. >> this is going to be done because of, of. someone calling this out and, and by the spirit working. >> i think we're. >> going to see. >> some amazing. grace filled. >> moments coming throughout the world. >> i may. >> you may. >> think that. >> i, i. >> am. just blowing smoke, but but. >> i can. >> really tell you. we're. >> seeing a man who is very balanced, who is. >> very well versed. >> who is very rooted. and i think is going to use the great gifts. that the vatican. >> the vatican diplomatic. >> corps has. >> and i believe he's going to. call out those who are. >> the aggressors. and really.

>> ask them to. >> listen and to open up their hearts for peace. >> there's another issue, father, that i think surprised some people because he's talked about it already so much, which is i he says that the church has to address the risk that it poses to human dignity, justice and labor. he even says i is the reason he chose the name leo. given the most recent pope leo served during the industrial revolution, railed against economic systems, turning workers into commodities again in the way i just asked the question of father sichko is at the heart of his interest in i, the very fundamental catholic question of what it means to be human. >> yes. >> i think so. i think it was his the day after his election that he said. why he chose the name leo, and he talked about pope leo the 13th and that encyclical. >> letter rerum. >> novarum, which talked about

the threat the industrial revolution faced on on workers. and he related that to ai because i think he sees that similarity. i noticed that in his homily today. he quoted pope leo the 13th, and i think he had a beautiful line where he said, you know, if leo's call for love was actualized, war would cease. and i've been rereading rerum novarum, and it's interesting. the passage he uses begins with something very powerful. where pope leo the 13th, his namesake, says that the church lays down precepts more perfect, binding people together in unity with with eyes set on the world yet to come. and so i think he's saying that the church has something different to offer. heads of state and university intellectuals, that the church kind of takes us to another level, another plane, and that that i can cut us off from. god can cut us off from our human nature. and this is something we

have to be attentive to. i is still new. i mean, i mean university boardrooms where we're discussing what is the benefit and what is the danger of ai, what what could it do to the human mind and spirit? and so i think that he has his finger on the pulse of that right now, shows a real image of where he's going to take the church. >> liz, in what i've seen on the screen today and in what i'm hearing from our esteemed panel, there is a lot of hopefulness. there is a lot of optimism. and as i was saying to our previous panel, opportunity for this new pope, but i wonder what it is about him that has captured the imagination of the world and of very skeptical americans. yes, he likes thin crust pizza. yes, it's the socks. yes, we have pictures of him holding a tennis racket. but what is it about

him, do you think that is drawing people in? and is it him? is it the times? is it some combination? what do you think? >> well. >> the thing that strikes me from the very beginning is this gentleness. he seems very gentle. and at the same time there's this element of we don't really know what's in the box yet. i mean, every single one of these esteemed panelists, we're all wondering where he's going to go. but the mixture of this gentleness, not a sense of a personality that has to express itself at every turn, but this willingness to mold himself into the role of the successor of saint peter. it allows us, without fixed ideas of exactly who this man is. it allows us to open up in our own minds and hearts a vision of what could be. and i think in this

particular for me, the thing i keep thinking about in this, this mass or this week is how empowering that makes it makes me feel. in any rate, the fact is, it feels like this is a moment where each one of our own particular gifts and talents is something that's really ready to be lifted up and valued. when he spoke about the leaving behind division, not being self-satisfied, not closing ourselves up into groups, but that each person really should find that leaven within. and together we rise as a society. and i think that really makes us feel like we're we're part of something. we have the possibility of being part of something that's going somewhere that. is looking to really materially make the world a better place. >> george weigel, i'm going to give you our final 30s. when word trickled out of the

conclave, it was that he had amassed a large majority of votes. are we seeing what the cardinals saw now? >> i think so, chris. >> they saw a man at. >> home with himself, comfortable in his own life of faith, with a broad life experience, good language skills, good management skills. and now we wait to see how he deploys those gifts and talents for the good of the church. this is not a man who won an election. this is a man who accepted a tremendous burden, and he deserves the support of all catholics around the world in carrying that burden. >> i knew you would wrap it up far better than i possibly could. my thanks to chris white, george weigel, elizabeth love, father timothy kesicki, and father jim sichko. that is going to do it for us. thank you for watching our special coverage of the inaugural mass of pope leo the 14th. as for me, you can catch chris jansing reports every weekday noon to 2 p.m.

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