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up, won't mind at all. discover life. >> outside the box. >> offer up. >> welcome back to the weekend prime time. we start our next hour with the buddy in chief who is back in the halls of power. yep, elon musk, the world's richest man who dropped at least a quarter billion dollars to help elect donald trump, made high profile appearances this week at both the white house and capitol hill, just days after he suggested that he might take a step back. listen. >> in terms of. >> political spending. >> i'm going. >> to do a. >> lot less. >> in the future. >> and why is that? >> i think i've. >> done enough. >> is it is it because of blowback? >> well, if. >> i see a. >> reason to.
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>> to political spending in the future, i. will do it. >> i do not currently. >> see. >> a reason. >> literally one day, after saying that musk was back in the oval office for that awkward, offensive, factually challenged meeting between trump and south african president cyril ramaphosa. don't worry, we will talk more about that a little bit later, but we want to talk first about how the very next day, musk was over on capitol hill to meet with republicans on the energy committee to talk. i, our next guest summed it up this way, quote, elon musk isn't gone. joining us now, the author of that post, democratic congressman greg casar of texas, chair of the congressional progressive caucus. thank you, congressman, so much for joining us. musk thinks he's done enough. he says he's done enough. so why is he still hanging around washington? >> elon musk isn't gone. look, billionaires have purchased
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presidencies and run the federal government behind closed doors before elon musk's real innovation was going out there in public and bragging about running the government on social media. media. so when the american people were rightly outraged and pushed back, now he's trying to say that he's going to step back, but he doesn't want to actually step back any of his powers. and as you just laid out, he's just as involved as ever. meeting in the oval office with foreign presidents, going to the middle east with trump to strike up business deals, and even pushing for ai policy to benefit himself. the republican budget bill that just passed includes a $25 billion contract that musk is rner on. so the corruption goes on. so what i think your viewers at home need to know is we need to take three steps. one, make sure that elon musk doesn't get to just pretend that he's stepping back. we need to hold him accountable. two everyone needs to know that it's
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illegal for elon musk to stay a federal employee past may 30th. that's what federal law says. and three democrats need to make clear we're not going to go easy on this guy. if we retake the majority, we can use our subpoena and investigative power in a majority to look into musk or any other billionaire that has broken any criminal laws, enriching themselves using the power of the white house. >> what is that accountability look like right now? congressman, you said hold him accountable. how do you hold somebody who is not in government, although pretending or cosplaying as a government official accountable while you are in the minority, and certainly somebody who has the president in his back pocket more or less. >> look, we get a lot of new legal and political and public pressure tools at our disposal beginning on may 30th. if he overstays, how long he's allowed to stay in government. we also need to make it really clear that majorities come and go, and it might only be a year and a
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half or so before democrats have the power to do full subpoenas and full investigations. and if it turns out that trump has been using his tariffs to wield power against foreign governments until they give elon musk a contract, like many reports are now leaking out, that that might be what's going on. if it turns out that musk is steering faa contracts to himself while firing employees that keep our planes safe up in the air, that there's some real implications on that, and they're acting like trump is going to be president forever. and if we have anything to do about it, that's not how it's going to be. and there can be consequences that are much greater than musk just losing his billions of dollars in federal contracts. >> so, congressman, let me ask you then. i think you probably know the question is coming. how are democrats going to tell the story around all of this? because, as you mentioned, the midterms are coming. you know, the polling numbers for the democrats still kind of in the toilet, but elon musk's are also in the toilet. so is there a way that you can use him to tell the
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story of how your party fights back, to kind of bring people back into the fold to make them believe you guys are actually fighting for them? >> we have to earn back the trust of working class voters and tell folks that we're going to be a new kind of democratic party, one that fully severs their ties with the billionaire class, become an anti billionaire, pro-working class american party. that's what can bring people together that may disagree on some of the social issues, but ultimately, this republican budget bill that the congress just passed out of the house pits the 99.9% of americans getting screwed over by the 0.1% of americans. if we unite that 99%, we can block this budget bill from passing in the senate. and if they choose to still ram it through stealing their own constituents health care in order to pay for our tax cuts, and we can make them pay for it at the polls in a
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democratic majority, then has to actually go after this corruption and pass bold bills that lift everybody up instead of looting them. and i think that's how we earn back people's trust. >> congressman, i want to ask you a little bit more about some of these measures that were in the budget bill that just passed. as you point out, it would give the biggest benefits to the wealthiest and take critical safety net services away from low income people. but some of what is in that bill, including changes to medicaid, is actually quite popular among americans. i'm talking specifically about medicaid work requirements, which are favored by most american people, including about half of democrats, i believe. so, you know, i personally think that these are a solution in search of a problem. but i'd love to hear you talk a little bit more about how democrats can speak to this issue in a way that that gets past voters general sympathy for policies like this.
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>> well, the thing is, these policies aren't actually about getting folks to work. we can't fall into the republican trap on this. these aren't work requirements. these are paper work requirements here where i'm sitting in texas, tons of people, over a million people lost their health care because republicans started sending people endless paperwork to fill out in order to get their healthcare benefits on the food assistance programs, where they try to cushion it up by saying these are work requirements, or they're changing the way that dependents are counted. we just need to be clear. they're talking about kicking kids off of food assistance, kids that are hungry because they're eight years old now, not seven years old. so we can't fall into the republican messaging traps here. what they are doing is the biggest cuts to medicaid in american history, the biggest cuts to medicare in american history, the biggest cuts to food assistance in american history. we need to call it what
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it is and then have a positive vision about not just defending the status quo, but expanding medicare and medicaid to cover more things for people, for millions more americans, so that we can inspire the people that are disaffected and make sure that every day, conservative voters aren't sold a lie by republican members of congress. >> congressman, let me put up this tweet and get your thoughts to it. it's from ben cohen of ben and jerry's fame. he says the us currently spends $2 million a minute on death machines, bombs and war. meanwhile, nearly 50 million americans are at risk of going hungry. i want to give you a chance to comment about how much of american money is going overseas. you're the chair of the congressional progressive caucus. and, you know, there's a growing concern with some of the money that is being used. american funding, certainly overseas in conflicts. certainly what we're seeing in gaza, what do you make of how some of that money is being used right now, and whether it is an appropriate use of american taxpayer dollars?
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>> look, we are buying military equipment that our generals don't even use or want. we are supplying weapons of war to a variety of countries that are committing human rights abuses, and that is against our law. and i concur with you that the us has to stop being complicit in the slaughter in gaza and trump's ethnic cleansing plan there with netanyahu. what folks need to know when you go and talk to a relative or a coworker that maybe voted for donald trump, is that the money is there to make all of our lives better. we can expand social security without taking that away from someone else. because you know what? elon musk pays a tax into social security at a minuscule rate compared to a janitor or a truck driver. the money is there to provide a great public education to every child in this country. but why are we sending it to war contractors? why are we sending
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it to big pharma that milks the taxpayer? elon musk and his ilk are trying to say that it's your immigrant neighbor that is the fraud, waste and abuse. they're trying to say it's a public school teacher. they say that because they're trying to cover for the fact that it's the billionaires themselves that are getting away with all the waste, fraud and abuse, and they want us to turn on our neighbors, and we actually know where the money is. >> all right, congressman, stick around. we're going to squeeze in a quick break. when we come back, we want to get your thoughts on kristi noem's head scratching definition of habeas scratching definition of habeas corpus. this is the you're telling me, when i switch to t-mobile, you'll give me an iphone 16 pro, you'll help pay off my old phone? and i still get to keep it? that's right. no trade in! there's always a trade in. not right now at t-mobile. no!!! yes!!! (scream). also, at t-mobile, you save at least 20% vs the other big guys. i feel like i have to give you something in return for karma. box of raisins. i'm a mom. a balloon. banana... peel? it's our best iphone offer ever. switch to t-mobile. get a new iphone 16 pro on us. no trade-in needed.
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>> knows them all. >> discover life. >> outside the box. offer up between. >> 70 and 76. >> you were the simplest, healthiest, most clean living performer. >> it changed that. >> in the 70s. there is absolutely no. >> question that elton john. >> is the biggest pop star in the world. >> the fact. >> that he chose david. >> to do this. >> interview after. >> being in rehab says everything. >> it seemed. >> natural just. >> to tell him the truth. >> clinically. >> i should be dead. >> really, emotionally. >> i was. >> david was a proper interviewer. >> and it. >> was a challenge. >> i think it's probably the single best interview dad ever did. >> so secretary gnome, what is habeas corpus? >> well. >> habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country, suspend their right. let me let me stop you. suspend habeas corpus. >> excuse me. that's that's incorrect. >> president habeas corpus. it.
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excuse me. habeas corpus is the. >> legal principle. >> that requires. >> that the government provide a. public reason for detaining and imprisoning people. >> oh, man, i can't. that was too much. it is. sorry. it is no longer surprising when trump's best people, literally the best people, give really bad answers to what we as americans would like to think are really important, but easy questions. but there's definitely a larger pattern emerging when it comes to how they view habeas corpus. there's the answer you just heard from homeland security secretary kristi noem. then there was last month, when trump's senior adviser, stephen miller, told reporters that the trump administration was actively looking at suspending habeas corpus. texas congressman greg casar is still with us. congressman, how seriously are democrats taking potential threats against habeas corpus? i mean, i laughed at her response, but what it really shows me is
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if she seriously, as a sitting secretary of an important security department in our government, does not know one of the most fundamental rights enshrined in the constitution for americans, that it paves the way for people like stephen miller to just throw out the idea, hey, we can suspend it. it's not a big deal. >> yeah, of course, her comments are embarrassing. it's impressive to me that her asking for a $50 million private jet for herself was the second most embarrassing thing that she did this week. but while it's embarrassing, it is scary because she told the truth for her. her truth is that the laws and rules don't apply to the trump administration, and that endangers not just immigrant rights, but the rights of every single american under the us constitution. first, they say they can deport any immigrants that they want. next, they say they can send u.s. citizens to a foreign prison, regardless of
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what the supreme court says. and next, they're arresting judges and pressing charges against members of congress, baselessly. and look, once they're arresting judges, charging members of congress for dissent, once they're violating anybody's rights, then there's nothing stopping them from coming after you next. and that should send a chill down the spine of every american congressman. >> the washington post has been reporting, quote, masked officers descended on courthouses across the country this week and arrested stunned immigrants showing up for scheduled immigration hearings as part of a new directive from federal officials aimed at dramatically accelerating deportations. now, to put this in context, republicans, including donald trump, have been complaining for years that not enough immigrants showed up to their immigration hearings and other appointments and check ins with immigration officials. won't measures like this just sort of reinforce those or
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actually manifest those concerns? like, it seems like these kinds of actions would drive more people into the shadows. no. >> our courthouses should be places of safety. our schools should be places of safety. health clinics should be places of safety. because when immigrants don't report things to the police or don't go to courthouses or won't go to a health checkup, it is bad for everyone. whether you're immigrant or native born. look, democrats, i think for too long have felt like we've been on the defense, on immigration. but we have to go after the trump administration for things like this, because the vast majority of americans believe that it's good and important for immigrants to be able to go have their day in court for people to follow the laws, even though they are so labyrinthine and awful. but these are folks that are trying to do things the right way, and the trump administration is going after them anyways. and so trump every day betrays his own supporters.
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he said he was going to bring costs down. he keeps jacking costs up. he said that he's going to try to make you safe. and what he's doing is he's deporting everyday people, separating families, going into courthouses and schools. i mean, people didn't vote for this, and democrats should go on the offensive on these sorts of issues. >> congressman, you just made a truth social account. i'm curious what kinds of conversations you hope to have there with people who are pretty much going to disagree with you on everything you have just said. >> i have found that actually, folks don't disagree with me on everything i've just said. there are so many people that really thought that trump was going to try to make you more safe or bring down your costs, but instead he is getting rid of people's health care while enriching his billionaire buddies. look, trump said he was going to drain the swamp, but instead he's filled it up with even more billionaires enriching
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themselves. so i think this is a moment where, as progressives, we need to learn from the first trump administration, where oftentimes we energize our own base, which we still need to do. but i think we have a real opportunity to go and talk to folks that might disagree on a variety of issues and say, but at the end of the day, shouldn't you be voting alongside people that want to make sure your everyday life is better, that your hours at work don't get longer, that you can retire and rely on social security and not have your entire family looted by these billionaire corporate raiders. and so yeah, a lot of folks i'm sure aren't going to agree with me, the progressive caucus chair, on many issues. but we need to go and let folks know that we're willing to come and talk with you and tell the real truth about how trump is looting your pockets while saying he's protecting you and keeping you safe, but is doing anything but that. >> let me play for you an exchange that happened if i can, congressman, between senator van hollen and marco rubio, the secretary of state in congress earlier this week, watch. >> your campaign of.
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>> fear and repression is eating away at foundational values. of our democracy. >> back then. >> it took one. >> voice. attorney joseph welch, to cut through the hysteria with a. >> simple question. >> that marked. >> the beginning of the end. >> of. >> that shameful era. >> he asked. >> senator mccarthy. >> have you. >> no. >> sense of decency? >> and i would. >> ask you the same, secretary. >> rubio. >> but you have. shown that your words and your actions. >> what the answer. >> is. >> and i have to tell you directly and personally. >> that i regret voting. >> for. >> you for secretary of state. >> secretary of state marco rubio was supposed to be one of the adults in the room. he has failed at that miserably, as you saw there from senator van hollen saying he regrets voting for him. do you share his sentiment, given everything that has happened in this country, that we are living in a new mccarthy era where fear and repression are out there right now in our society. congressman, i think. >> in the course of one
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election. >> go ahead. we might have lost your audio. >> for a second over the course of one election where students are being arrested simply for writing an op ed where us citizens are being sent to foreign prison camps and aren't being brought back when the right wing us supreme court is saying, bring them back. we are in a moment where trump is trying to establish a country where he and his billionaire friends can do whatever they want, and everybody else is just too scared to stand up to them. and it is tragic that marco rubio refuses to stand up to them. and that's why it's so important for anybody that gets these kinds of threats and intimidations to step up. i'm proud of people like congresswoman monica lamonica mciver, who is not caving in when they're trying to push baseless assault charges against her. i'm proud of those law firms and places of higher education like harvard that are not backing down, because every single step of the way, trump wants to silence you and turn
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you into a marco rubio. and we need every single american to actually go out there and be a hero and not back down and not be silent. they want people to say, if i shut up, maybe i won't be next. but what ends up happening in that world is that we all wind up essentially in an authoritarian state, but we're still in a democracy, and our democracy only survives not through just elections, but also through people speaking up when there's repression. >> congressman, thank you so much for joining us tonight, man. >> thanks, congressman. >> you are in tough shape. if harvard is a primary member of the resistance. but up next, donald trump speaks to west point graduates. and does you know, what he always does makes it all about himself. we'll play you the lowlights after this. you the lowlights after this. you're watching the i thought people exaggerated when they said shingles is a nightmare and the pain can last for weeks. it wouldn't mean sleepless nights, right? i didn't think i was at risk.
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criminal. i went through more investigations than alphonse capone. and now i'm talking to you as president. can you believe this? i must tell you, a lot of trophy wives doesn't work out. they subjected the armed forces to all manner of social projects and political causes, while leaving our borders undefended and depleting our arsenals to fight other countries wars. the job of the us armed forces is not to host drag shows. we will not have men playing in women's sports if that's okay. >> another graduation day turned awkward campaign rally donald trump this morning at the us military academy at west point, rambling about drag queens, al capone and for some reason, trophy wives. i mean, i know he. >> with them. it is always projection with them. i always feel like everything. >> he's calling his ex-wives trophy wives. >> i listen, i'm not going to talk about the first lady, but i
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always think that whenever i'm not even talking about the exercise, i thought you were going to ask me about the first lady. >> the wife? >> yeah, i do that. a lot of the things that donald trump talks about, a lot of things that republicans do, are projection. so when they talk about, oh, i survived more investigations than al capone, it's probably because in his head he internalizes himself as a criminal. and so he thinks, like, i've survived as a mob boss and i've survived what al capone has survived. and again, like as you said, it's like or alluded to. it's shameful that at a military institution, at a time when students are graduating about to serve our country and go into the front lines, they want their spirits uplifted. they want to recommitted sense of purpose in what they're doing. the president, standing with his promotional political make america great again hat, talking about trophy wives and his personal investigations, and pretending that he's some kind of martyr. here i am standing l about him, i think is so disrespectful and insulting. >> well, to be fair, he also did
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talk about the military and. >> drag shows. >> and drag shows, but he talked about how these were the first graduates of the golden age of the military because they are liberated from dei and diversity initiatives. but i do want to point out that when the supreme court made its ruling a couple of years ago, saying that schools could no longer consider affirmative action, race, other things like that in admissions. you know where i'm going with. >> this. i do. >> they specifically exempted the military service academies because there may be some national interest. >> there is. >> no military actually, without minorities signing up to take part, we would not have a. >> but now it's a golden age. but now it's. >> a. >> golden age. i guess they've lost a couple hundred books. so i mean, it's funny, but it's also quite frightening. i see it as part of the broader apparatus of i mean, we're we were talking about this earlier with the firings at the national security council, like this new top down,
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like even the military. it's about like from his view, at the top down, what you do for me and how you are part of my personal campaign, like literal campaign and sort of like ideological campaign. >> yeah. i mean, he's always going to the president's always the commander in chief, but right, on behalf of the country. >> but i don't think, you know, the idea of having a i i think we're kind of like overlooking ents at the military are very important. and when you have a president who comes in here and politicizes it with a campaign slogan and a red hat that has alienated and, you know, upsets a lot of people for work because of what it conjures up standing in front of people in the military and wearing it and making it about him, it no longer becomes an institution that is simply for all americans to protect all of our values, despite political disagreements. it's, how do i make this institution synonymous with what i am about? and i'm sure there are people in that military who
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are standing there like, this is not what it's supposed to be happening here. you don't hear rounds of applause and many of the punchlines that he normally gives. you don't hear the same kind of laughter that you hear when he gives these speeches. even at university of alabama, he got a round of applause. you don't get that at the military because the military is supposed to be professional. it's supposed to be independent from our politics. and he's doing everything him and pete hegseth and everybody else doing as much as they can to erode the independence of our military. and that is truly dangerous, dangerous and upsetting. so but we'll talk more about commencements. it's commencement season. so there's a lot to be said about it. >> kermit the frog. >> kermit the frog. exactly. >> i'd prefer him at my own commencement. >> i would take that one as well. up next, the transformation of the oval office into a wwe smackdown ring and the potential consequences it is having on america's relationship with other world relationship with other world leaders. you're watching the ever feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine? 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine.
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farmers. so quick fact check for you. there is absolutely no white genocide against white south african farmers. but again, as we know, trump has never been one to let the truth get in the way of a little drama. joining us now is yinka adegoke, editor for semaphore africa, and maya wiley, a civil rights attorney, former assistant us attorney and president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. so, you know, there's so much to unpack here, but i just want to get your thoughts. yinka, if i can, about what we saw happen in the oval office and the broader story that has been brewing now for some months with this administration, all of its maga acolytes, slowly trying to put into the national discourse that there is a white genocide against south african farmers. >> yeah. i mean, listen, there's no other word for it but embarrassment. embarrassment for the. >> united states. >> embarrassment for the white house, embarrassment for the
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oval office and what it represents. this has been there's been this issue with south africa that actually. goes beyond just the trump administration. it's goes back a couple of administrations where there have been some tensions where, given south africa's unique history with apartheid and coming out of that, they had their very they have very strong principles, if you like, about certain issues, be it palestine, be it israel, all these that has caused a lot of tension. and, you know, sticking with the partners who who helped them during the apartheid years, including the ussr, i. russia today. and this has caused a lot of tension with the with any administration, not just this one, but it would seem that with elon musk, because he has particular concerns, which really are more about his business interests, particularly with starlink and not being able to go in there and just open shop. he started to, you know, put it out there on social
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media. there are all these things going on. this stuff has been out there for years now. it's been debunked. it's complete nonsense. farmers aren't being killed. it there's a lot of violence in south africa, as the president himself said. president ramaphosa said. but this idea that white farmers have been targeted completely untrue. but musk was behind it. and the most interesting thing i noticed in that whole farcical exchange on the other day was that elon musk never said a word. he kept totally quiet. >> it's probably because he never thought it was going to get to this moment. >> probably never thought he was going to get to. >> this point. he never thought he. was standing in the in the. >> white house staring. yeah. and at one point, trump tried to bring him in and said, you know, elon doesn't really want to talk about this. you know, trump always you know, we've watched him for a few years now. he always kind of let slip what he's really thinking, which is really like, hey, we should have, you know, elon should say something. and elon was like, i don't want any part of this.
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>> i think it's really important. and you, of course, touched on this to just completely fact check the sort of central image that people have seen come out of this meeting over the last several days. trump held up a photo of what he said were dead white farmers from south africa and reuters found, contrary to trump's claims, no bodies were ever buried along that road and the white crosses seen there. the crosses didn't represent a specific number of farm murder victims. they were a symbolic tribute to a murdered couple. and then also the reuters found the image is from the congo. >> from the congo. that is really embarrassing because i think it was from like 2020, some sort of video they had done during the covid period, and you could literally see people in their suits and what have you. yeah, it was obvious to anyone who actually took a few seconds to look. >> so. so, maya, do you think they really do believe this or do you think, you know, i. >> don't think it matters. and i think this is more than embarrassment. i think we have. >> to go. >> back to what's the purpose of
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the propaganda? certainly. certainly there are white extremists in south africa who. have been using. disinformation about white farmer. genocide to drive their white supremacist agenda in south africa. we have white supremacists here in the united states. they have been also repeating the white supremacist in south africa's claim of genocide. so why would the trump administration. without sufficient fact checking, elevate white supremacist lies that suggest black people are killing white people? well, let me think. this is the same administration that has gutted civil. >> rights enforcement. >> inside every. single agency in this country. and has done so based on an executive order where donald. trump has claimed that the greatest victims. >> of. civil rights violations are white men.
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>> he has actually said that he will take away temporary protective status, including from afghans who fought alongside with and supported and translated for american troops in afghanistan. but yet he will revoke temporary protective status. but who can be deemed a refugee? some white afrikaners from south africa. so i think this is not embarrassment. i think the question is what is the consistent through point on propaganda coming out of this administration so that it can do its corruption? it drives racism. it drives fear. it tries to divide people against one another and suggest, don't look over here at starlink or don't look over here at my real estate deals in other parts of the world. and if you remember, cyril ramaphosa. himself said,
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sorry, i can't give you a $400 million jet. this is what. >> he. >> was very calm, actually. he clearly was ready for the element of spectacle there. >> and the attack, not just spectacle. >> yinka, i'm curious if you can remind our viewers of some of the history here too, in south africa, specifically this community, the afrikaners, there about a single digit percentage point of the population, but they own almost 80% of the land. but black people make up the vast majority of south africa. >> 1%. >> yes. tell us a bit about the history and how things got to this point. >> well, i mean, i guess afrikaners, descendants of dutch migrants, got their 300 plus years ago settled eventually, over time, claimed land, claimed minerals, claimed farms for
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themselves and that went on for years into the 20th century. and then we had 46 years of apartheid rule and total control of the country. >> minority control. >> minority control. the nation obviously became a pariah state in, you know, with most reasonable countries of the world. parts of that history is that the united states was not always on the right side of history, but eventually it got there and. >> with a little help. >> with a little. >> help, a lot of college students. >> exactly. lots of college students, lots of protests, the kinds of protests that are trying to be stopped today. and nelson mandela, who was in prison for 27 years, comes out, becomes this hero to the world. >> the us, considered a terrorist at. >> one point, a terrorist. so, you know, this is all people. we kind of vaguely know all this, all this important history. south africa, like i said, has very unique history because it's
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so recent in historical terms. >> you brought up a really interesting point about the politics of south africa today as this kind of state on the national, international level that is defying a little bit the united states. it's not as subservient, if you will, as other countries. and the united states has had major beef with south africa because of the positions it has. taken at the icc against israel. >> exactly. and if you think about it, right, even cyril ramaphosa, even though he was much younger than these were people, people in government today were part of the anti-apartheid movement. yeah. right. so, so for them to just sort of throw that out and suddenly just pretend like, you know, palestine, the leaders, plo as it was then they supported their movement. so they can't. so it would be too difficult for them to just walk away from this. >> so i lived. in south africa and did criminal justice work there for a couple of years, and it was five years after the end of apartheid in the first democratic presidency of the
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country, and the first time black people got to run the country. let me tell you what was happening with land reform and with crime. the unemployment rate for the black community was functionally 50%, and it was 85% of the population. the country was crippled with debt, debt that had been accumulated because of the fight against apartheid. and when the african national congress asked, the world asked the global powers that be, forgive our debt so we can invest it in our people, they said, no, you got to pay us back with interest. all of the disinvestment that land, like 10%, 11% of the land in south africa, can be farmed. it is mostly not an arable country. and what happened to black. people on land was they were violently thrown off it and put into essentially communities that are indigenous people in
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this country say, we know what reservations look like, that what bantustans were were separating people from. economic opportunity. they were separating people, often even from access to any of the industrialized centers of the country solely because of the color of their skin. and donald trump in the 1990s, what he said when all the news stories started coming out about the browning of america, about how diverse it was becoming, you know what his comment was we will not be south africa, by which. >> he was referring to black people's. >> rule full. >> circle moment, it sounds like. ma'am. >> yinka, thank you so much for joining us today. maya, please stick around because we want to pick your brain a little bit about new york city politics. >> what's going on in new york city? >> nothing. there's nothing. >> going on, particularly the d.o.j. new interest, renewed interest, i should say, in cuomo. stay. stay with us.
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cuomo over testimony he gave to congress. all this is happening as cuomo is leading in the race this year to become new york city mayor. a spokesperson for cuomo is calling the investigation election interference. maya wiley is still with us. she ran for new york city mayor in the 2021 democratic primary. so, maya, you know new york city politics very well. you know cuomo's record very well. to what extent does the doj actually have a case here? and to what extent is this really just about retribution against donald trump's enemies? >> so perjury is very hard to prove. and i would suggest that they have a very tough row to hoe. if they think they're going to come out with a i can't say whether they'll charge him or not, but what actually win a conviction. >> that said. >> i think the fact that they're pursuing it in the first place. is absolutely about retribution.
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donald trump himself said that he was going to seek retribution if he won the campaign. >> he won. >> the campaign. and he has been actively seeking retribution. the other thing that we have seen him do is his his justice. i'm calling it the. injustice department. i'm going to be very. >> i like. >> that it's the justice department. now, it is not the justice department. it has been gutted of justice. justice is neutral. it is nonpartisan and it follows the law. but what we've seen and we saw this in newark with elected officials who are democrats, who are going to see what was happening in a detention center in newark. the mayor of newark, ras baraka, members of congress are now facing charges because they were trying to determine the conditions at a detention center. we've seen state judge be investigated and charged with crime regarding. someone who was facing deportation. i mean,
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these are not normal things. >> but in new york, in new york city politics, it kind of seems like it's a badge of honor for trump to go after. >> he's already turned it into a campaign ad. >> yeah. like i'm getting i'm getting fliers based on where i live for anthony weiner, who's running for new york city council with a quote from donald trump from like ten years ago saying, anthony weiner is a bad man. and that's supposed to prove his bona fides here. so i'm just wondering, like, is this good for cuomo, baby? >> well, i will say two things. one, no one ever likes to be investigated by the department of justice. no one. i don't care who they are. and that includes politicians. but at the same time, it is actually politically the smart move to use it to say exactly what i would expect any candidate, andrew cuomo or otherwise, to say, which is i'm going to call it what it is. and
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any candidate running for mayor right now has got to run, saying, i'm not going to be eric adams. i'm not going to be the one who made a deal with the devil to harm our own people and violate our own city laws, laws that i was proud to help pass. sanctuary city laws when i was counsel to the mayor. >> who do you think should be mayor? >> i it's an important question because i do want to ask that about. and let's not forget andrew cuomo, why he resigned. i think it's important to remind our viewers about it. i mean, he was investigated by the new york attorney general, letitia james, after she published a report that found he had sexually harassed multiple women, including former aides in the state assembly launched an impeachment investigation. i do think it's important because i know he's going to want to politically spin this to his advantage, but there were real, credible credibility issues. >> and well, and the attorney. >> yeah. >> go ahead. well, and. >> to antonio. >> i was one of the people who called for andrew cuomo. >> to step down. >> yeah. and we should also remember that it was the attorney general, i believe, who also issued findings after the
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