with two of the most precious people on the planet. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. [music playing] >> good morning. >> and. >> welcome to this sunday. edition of. >> morning joe weekend. >> let's get. >> right to. >> some of the. >> biggest stories from the. >> past week. >> mr. president, on on. ukraine and on your call. >> today. >> that you. >> had with president putin, you. said last. >> week that you thought nothing. >> was going to happen. >> no advances would be made until you and putin got together. >> do you still feel that way? >> i think something's going to happen. it's a very, very big

egos involved. i tell you, big egos involved. but i think something's going to happen. and if it doesn't, i just back away and they're going to have to keep going. again, this is a european situation. it should have remained a european situation. but i did say it's time you got to stop this thing. and i believe he wants to stop. look, i would be, i think, very able to tell whether or not he wanted to or. i thought there was a very good chance, like a 5050 chance, that he would say, i want to take the whole thing. i didn't know what he was going to say. and then they have a different kind of a problem. but i believe he wants to stop. >> you mentioned that you believe putin wants. >> peace, but. >> he just attacked ukraine yesterday. so what makes you think. >> that he wants peace? >> well, he's in a war. you know, i mean, nobody said don't. it's they're fighting, they're attacking. they're attacking each other. and people are dying all the time. he's in a war.

he's fighting a war. nobody said he was going to stop, i think. is it terrible? yeah. it's terrible, i do, i think it's terrible. >> president trump spoke. >> one on one. >> with ukrainian president zelensky. >> prior to his call. >> with putin, and again. >> afterwards in. >> a conference call. >> with other. nato leaders in a briefing yesterday, zelensky acknowledged. trump's call. >> for direct negotiations. >> between ukraine and russia. >> however. >> he said. >> ukraine is still considering another high. >> level round of talks. >> between american. >> russian and european officials. >> and joe, i. >> think that the. >> lead out of all of that. >> was president trump hinting that if it. >> continues. >> he'll back. >> away and they'll keep going. >> that's a. >> far cry from. >> him saying. >> he could. end this in a day. >> well, i think. >> several things. >> came out of it. the first thing that. >> came out. >> of it was that he said it was positive talks. they're going. to continue. he thinks. >> the two should. >> get together and talk more specifically, also said that he

thought that vladimir putin did. >> want peace. >> but the war, of course, is still. >> going on. >> and the. >> question is, of course. whether in fact that is the case or not. and if he does want peace, vladimir. >> putin will. >> not want peace out of the goodness of his heart. he'll want peace because, well, first of all, there's that economic. drain with this, not only this war and sanctions. also the price of oil plunging the way it has. he may. and of course, the casualties that just keep piling up. i, i suspect he. even knows that continuing this war in the same manner that it's been fought over the past two years, is just. not not possible for either side. but again, right now, the negotiations continue to talk about that. let's bring in nbc news. >> chief. >> international correspondent keir simmons from dubai. also, retired u.s. army lieutenant general mark hertling. his military career spans more than three decades of service,

including. >> as the. >> commanding general of u.s. army europe and the seventh army. keir, let's begin with you. what can you tell us about the call yesterday and. >> russia's response? >> well. >> joe. >> just to. underscore what you've been. >> saying. >> here's the point. >> president putin. >> does want. >> the war to stop. on his terms. that's what he said again. >> and again. he walked out of that. >> call yesterday, went straight in. >> front. >> of the cameras, russian. >> state media, and said it again, we want. >> our core. >> interests to. be addressed. >> the root. >> causes, he calls it. by that, he means he. >> doesn't want. >> ukraine any closer to europe. >> he doesn't. >> want ukraine. >> he wants. ukraine to be mostly neutral. >> all those things that we've heard again and. >> again. >> that call that president trump had with. >> president putin. >> did not change that. >> president trump. >> says that he is. >> he that he may back away. he's already backing away. he

was said just days. >> ago that the only way to solve this was a face to face. >> meeting between him and president putin. >> now. >> apparently that isn't going to happen for some time. while there are direct talks between russia and ukraine. president zelenskyy and the. >> europeans are very, very. >> worried about. >> a. >> particular question. >> what does. >> backing away. mean by president trump? >> does that. >> backing away. >> mean that. >> he just. >> leaves the. >> negotiations to russia. >> and ukraine? or does backing away mean that. >> he withdraws. >> again. >> intelligence support. >> for ukraine. >> the kind of. >> security support that the europeans just can't provide. >> now. >> this is a very. >> fast moving, complicated picture. there are lots of. >> things happening. >> there's a bill in congress that secretary of state rubio said over the weekend that the white house is not able to prevent the progress of that would. really enforce tougher sanctions and more sanctions on the russians. the white house approved the moving of patriot. missile defense systems to

ukraine just in the past few weeks. so what president trump says and what's actually. >> happening, just like. >> in his first term, are not necessarily the same. and in some ways, we're seeing a repeat of that first time, like the bromance is back on. what the russians said about the call was that president putin began by congratulating president trump on the birth of his grandchild, that they called each other by their first names, that they didn't want the call to end. the two presidents wanted to just keep going. so all very friendly. but no, no prize friends with no benefits if you like. and that is a repeat, frankly, of what the russians think happened in the first term, which was that they seem to have a great relationship between their presidents, but didn't get any kind of resolution in the relationship with the united states. so we are no further forward. president putin has not shifted, despite steve witkoff saying

over the weekend that the force of president trump's personality would shift, the logjam was his words. he that that didn't happen on the call yesterday. and i think the historians may look back on this moment and say, this was the moment that the us did begin to step back. it's interesting to hear steve witkoff talk. you know, he will say, well, it's a really complicated it's a really complicated war. it's very difficult to solve. you think, you know, it's very similar to what he says about gaza. it's really complicated. it's really hard to stop that war. even though that was his role at the hostel, there are still hostages being held. and now, of course, steve witkoff is moving on to negotiate the iran deal. so there are i think we're clearer at this stage. honestly, when you look past the rhetoric about where things stand, i think the war continues. there's no sign of a ceasefire, and both the

russians and ukrainians will continue to work to try to get what they want from the white house. while certainly the russians and to some extent, the ukrainians believe they can still gain if the conflict, the conflict continues because the russians think they're winning. even though that there's a lot of doubt about that when you actually look at the battlefield and the ukrainians think that it over time, the russians will begin to struggle to supply more troops to the military, more recruits to the military. so far, they're really able to still funnel troops to the military. but but but that may not be the case in years to come. it's going to take some time, though. it's bitterly disappointing, honestly, for anyone who would hope to see peace in ukraine. >> morning, joe. >> weekend. we'll be right back. (woman) what if all i do for my type 2 diabetes isn't enough? or what if...

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thanks. >> the probe is focused on congressional testimony that. >> cuomo gave last year. that is according. >> to a person familiar with the matter who spoke to nbc news. republicans in the house requested the investigation. alleging the. >> former democratic. >> governor lied. >> to the oversight committee when. >> he said he. >> wasn't involved in. >> reviewing a. new york. >> health department report. >> on the. >> state's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. the investigation comes just one month before the democratic primary. >> in new york. >> city's mayoral election. >> one month. wait, wait. >> just one month. >> that would. >> be just. >> a. >> few weeks. >> but wait. >> i. >> don't understand. >> all i. >> heard during. >> the. >> 2024 election. >> was you. >> can't. >> do anything too early. so now this justice. >> department's doing. >> one month. >> yeah. >> but this is what. >> i don't. >> understand, willie. >> the matrix. so she makes those cookies, and she. >> knows he's coming, right? why did she make the cookies? >> no. this is what you don't understand. >> they have to know. this

assures andrew cuomo of being the next mayor of new york city. >> they have to. >> know they are getting him. >> this is what they kept. >> laughing. >> at democrats. >> about a year ago. >> you do. >> understand you're. >> getting donald. >> trump elected. >> president of. >> the united. states by. >> putting him on trial. now they why. >> don't they get a. >> crown and put it on cuomo's. >> head that. >> says, mr. mayor. >> he doesn't have to run ads anymore. >> doesn't have to. >> donald trump just. >> elected him. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah. >> okay. >> it's. >> yeah. i mean. >> the fact that they're. >> i. >> think there's some. >> questions targeting cuomo this close to the election. >> i don't. >> fully understand what the idea is, except that maybe they've accepted that he's going to be the mayor and they want him tangled up in legal problems at the beginning, i don't know. >> this would. >> be the. >> second consecutive mayor that they had. >> i mean, let's remember, eric. adams is another one, you know, has. >> well, he worked hard. >> he did eric adams hard for his. >> but the. >> trump doj. >> investigation.

>> the trump doj. >> of course. >> you know they. >> they. >> you know a. >> deal was cut. there was a suggestion that. >> that. >> adams was beholden. >> to the trump administration because of the way the charges. >> were filed. >> now eventually. >> it was tossed out. but adams. >> you know who. >> again, some of. >> this. >> predates trump. >> but some of the allegations. >> of corruption. >> but this would. >> be. >> the second straight. >> mayor where donald trump's department of justice. >> has attempted to put a thumb on. but you're right. it is. >> certainly in this race. >> perhaps a political gift to. >> andrew cuomo. >> he is. >> he is he. >> is. >> facing a slightly tougher race than expected from a progressive candidate. >> well, not anymore. >> maybe not anymore. but he still has. >> he still. >> has. >> a. >> pretty solid lead in the polls. >> the ranked choice. >> voting primary. that's always a little complicated, but a month out, cuomo is the clear favorite. this, you know, can only help. >> yes. >> and mike, of. >> course, the question is not whether whether. >> questions not. >> about his handling of. >> covid, right. >> which there are a lot of questions. >> there are. >> a lot. >> of questions. >> about his handling of covid. >> a lot. >> of lot. >> of people i know, friends i.

>> know, still. >> blame him for the death. >> of. >> their parents. >> grandparents. >> the things that. >> he said. the policies that, that, that he pursued. this is, again, this is. >> about one. >> month before the election. >> and i've. >> got to say, just the inability of whoever decided to release this information, maybe just. >> not understanding. >> they have just put. >> him through. >> the democratic primary. it's over. i would propose that. there's an even larger issue involved here, and it's that one political. >> party. >> the republicans. >> who control. >> the house of representatives, literally not just in this case, but in other specific cases. are basically undermining the government. they are of the united states of america. they are loosening. they're loosening the nuts and. >> bolts of the foundations of this country. >> by tampering with. >> stuff like. >> this. injecting themselves politically. into a situation like this. with with clear political motives. >> it's i. >> don't know whether the country is still. sleepwalking through this, but some of these, some of these things. >> that are going. >> on are truly incredulous. >> again. >> a month, a month before the. >> election. after every.

>> argument we. >> heard last. >> year on why it shouldn't be within. >> six. >> months or a year before an election. >> all right. >> homeland security. >> secretary kristi noem. >> failed to define habeas corpus, the constitutional right against unlawful detention. noam was asked about the constitutional protection by democratic senator maggie hassan of new. >> hampshire. >> after pointing. out that white house. >> adviser stephen miller told reporters earlier. >> this month that the administration. >> was actively. >> looking at suspending habeas corpus. >> so, secretary noam, what is habeas corpus? >> well, habeas corpus. >> is a. >> constitutional right that the. >> president has to be able to remove people from this country. >> suspend their right. >> let me let me stop, suspend habeas corpus. excuse me. that's that's incorrect. habeas corpus. it. excuse me. habeas corpus is the legal principle that requires that the government

provide a public reason for detaining and imprisoning people. if not for that protection, the government could simply arrest people, including american citizens, and hold them indefinitely for no reason. habeas corpus is the foundational right that separates free societies like america from police states like north korea. so, secretary noam, do you support the core. protection that habeas corpus provides, that the government must provide a public. reason in order to detain and imprison someone? >> yes, i support habeas corpus. >> i also recognize that. the president of the united states. >> has the authority. >> under the constitution to decide if it should be suspended or not. >> katty kay, after. >> senator hassan. >> there defined. >> it. >> for her. >> what do you make of her answer? >> look. >> i watched this. there's no way that kristi noem went into that hearing without being briefed by her staff, right? >> i mean, principals. >> are prepped when they go into. >> briefings like that. >> it seems to me unlikely that.

>> she didn't know. >> what. >> habeas corpus is. so you then have to think, was. >> she acting. >> for an audience of one? and just trying to make her boss happy with. her redefinition of it? >> if that's the cynic in me, and maybe. >> i've been in washington. >> too long, but otherwise she just was dumb and didn't know something that is basic about american law that she clearly should. >> know. >> particularly given the position she's in, and given all of. >> the. >> cases and. >> the amount. >> of times habeas. corpus has come up in political. >> and legal discussion. >> in this town in the last couple of months. >> i think she. >> was i think. >> she was performing. >> up next. here. >> we'll take a. >> closer look at j.d. vance's rise to power. >> the atlantic's. >> george packer. >> argues that the vice president could have brought. >> the country. >> together, but instead took a very divisive path. >> he'll join us to. >> explain that ahead. >> on morning joe. >> on morning joe. >> weekend. so what are you thinking? i'm thinking... about our honeymoon... how about africa? a safari... swim with elephants... hot air balloon rides...

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>> tell us. >> about the. >> talented mr. vance. >> he's talented. he's impressive. >> i went. >> back and. >> reread hillbilly elegy almost ten years. after it was first published. >> it's a really good book. >> he's a good writer. he. >> he wrote it. as a 30 year old, sort of. >> self-reflective. >> earnest, painfully honest. young man. who was telling us the story of his upbringing. in southwestern ohio from a family of what he called hillbillies. >> a family that. >> was suffering from addiction. >> poverty and. >> a kind of collapse. >> a cultural. collapse even. >> and he. >> was incredibly. >> honest about it. >> it struck. >> me as a. strange voice to hear. >> now, because it sounds nothing like the vice president, who i've been reading,

listening. >> to. trying to get a complete. >> sense of the. public record. >> over the past. few months. it doesn't. >> sound. like the guy who talks. about childless cat ladies. or who points a finger in the face of. the ukrainian president, or who makes up lies. about haitian immigrants eating native born americans pets. in springfield, ohio. >> so for me. >> there's a mystery as to who this man is and how. both voices. >> are possible. >> in the same. >> human being. and the answer, i think. >> says almost. >> more about america today than it does about jd vance. >> every human. >> being remains a mystery to everyone else, and i. >> don't pretend to have. >> figured him out. but what it does. >> show is. >> a kind of failure of the country at every step of vance's rise, which has been remarkable, which has been just a kind of. storybook rise at age 40 to. >> the vice presidency. >> there's been an american failure at every turn, and we.

can go through each of. >> them if we have time. but that's the main takeaway. that i've. got from having spent a lot of time. >> reading him and listening to him. >> yeah. >> you know, george, we're all used to politicians sort of tacking, going this way or that way. you know, george h.w. >> bush being. >> pro-choice his entire life, being picked by ronald. >> reagan and. >> becoming pro-life. we've seen. donald trump. >> go from. pro-choice to being pro-life, and. >> we've seen other politicians. >> when it. >> makes sense, they will. >> tack one. >> direction, they will. >> tack to another. >> with jd vance, it seems we have two different, completely different people. we have the guy that. we all know that would. >> come on morning. >> joe, that would talk about hillbilly elegy. that was the. >> darling not. >> only of. >> silicon valley. >> but also of the east coast elites that he now attacks. he, of course, went to went to great schools and colleges. but you

also had, it seemed, a thoughtful, introspective jd vance in texts and emails that surfaced later. very thoughtful, introspective jd vance. >> and then. >> you had. >> the jd vance. >> of 2016 suggesting that donald trump was hitler and suggesting that christians shouldn't vote for him. so there's that jd vance, and then you. >> have the one. >> that that that emerged especially emerged during. >> the campaign. >> we all know that they're the two. >> jd vance. >> i'm curious in your searching for the talented mr. vance, when did that transition take place? how did it take place? was there a road. on damascus. >> road to damascus moment. >> that at least he made up? >> if it didn't. actually happen? where he went. >> from saying all these things. >> about donald trump. >> to being his biggest advocate. >> it's a. >> good question.

>> it took a few years. >> and i don't think there. >> was. any single. >> epiphany. >> but you have to imagine there. >> was something a little. repellant to jd vance. >> to. be sitting at. >> dinner with super. >> rich ceos. explaining the pathologies. >> of his. >> hometown and. >> having them nod. >> and smile because their. >> own contempt. >> for the working. >> class is being confirmed. >> at a certain point, that. >> role must have revolted vance. >> there's a crucial. >> moment when hillbilly elegy is published. trump wins in 2016. suddenly, vance is a national voice explaining the white working class to the educated class. and at that same moment, vance's political ambitions, which until then had been on a rather moderate conservative course he supported john huntsman in 2012, who made mitt romney look extreme. suddenly that path is blocked, and. >> that's. >> a crisis. >> if you're a.

>> young, ambitious jd vance, it took about four years, from 2016 17 to 2021, for him to. reappear as a. fire breathing. culture warrior. >> of. >> the right. >> and i wanted. >> in this piece to give him a kind of good faith credit for a genuine change of view. on policies. he had been against tariffs. he began to support them. he had not been obsessed with immigration. he began to be obsessed with immigration, etc. in other words, i don't want to say his move toward trumpism was a completely opportunistic thing. i think there may have been experiences, things when he moved back to ohio, that he saw that his own. >> people. >> his friends, were big trump supporters. maybe he saw a reason for that. >> what i. >> find. remarkable is that he went from being that thoughtful, reflective. and respectful young man to being the two operative

and hostile and demonizing large groups of his fellow americans, while asking them to elect him to represent them. that's the change that, to me, reflects something ugly in the country that our culture, our media culture, our political. culture had turned so rancid by that time that in. order to win, in. >> order to. >> get to power, vance had to sort of betray his own decency. >> and. >> become a kind of spokesman for a pretty ugly side of maga. so, george, there was and i want to emphasize. >> the past. >> tense of was a moment in j.d. vance's life that at least i saw and clearly you saw. where he could have assumed, sort of a robert f kennedy role in our politics. robert f kennedy could go to gary, indiana, when he was running for president. >> in 68. >> and have. >> white steelworkers following.

>> him and trying. >> to touch him and adoring him and voting. for him. >> he could stand. >> up in indianapolis the night that martin. >> luther king. >> died and give. >> an epic, epic speech, perhaps the finest off the cuff speech any american politician. >> ever game. >> j.d. vance had that in him. >> once, i would think. but then. >> he comes to the crossroads of integrity and ambition, and he takes a. >> right hand turn. >> on ambition. >> you write. >> in part in this piece. >> let's see if i can. >> find it here. i just put. >> it up. hold on. >> hold on. >> it's mike barnicle. >> with the phone. >> okay. >> good thing we have a. >> four hour show. >> here we go. >> all right. that was fast. >> he's got it. >> not too bad. >> vance is. >> a politician with an unusual interest in ideas and. >> a. >> combative nature fed. by an old wound. the combination. >> makes him. >> capable of going a long way down an ideological road without. >> paying attention to.

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>> in. >> gaza before. >> he. >> was released. >> just eight. >> days. >> ago. >> the day. >> after mother's day, culminating. >> in. >> an emotional reunion with his parents. >> after 19. >> excruciating months apart. >> dan's parents, yael and adi alexander, join us now. thank you so much for being with us this morning. such remarkable news. those images went around the world, touched so many. i guess i'll just ask, first of all, how is he doing after so. >> many months in captivity? >> how are his spirits? >> how's his health? how's he adjusting to being back home? >> hi. good morning. >> good morning from tel aviv. >> i think he's doing well. this is our boy. he didn't change at all. >> the same joker. >> the same like. >> the same spirit, the same. >> optimistic, the same laugh. and we left the hospital this friday. we came back home to our

apartment in tel aviv. and i think every day is making is doing better. you know, he's taking the vitamins. he's got some mental health every day. he's going to start the physio physiotherapy this week in. >> the hospital. >> and he just needs his time. and i think he can't wait to get back to jersey. >> and adi. >> let me ask you. >> how are you guys? >> what was that moment like for you when you were finally reunited? how are you feeling now, both of you? first of all, it was out. >> of body. >> experience and thank. >> god. >> i mean. >> it was. >> like a miracle. >> and just. >> to mention, without the president's. >> effort and. >> steve witkoff. they were incredible. >> in bringing our. our boy back. >> i couldn't. >> i couldn't. >> walk. >> actually, when. >> we went to this. >> tiny apartment and. >> some army. >> base, i. >> never been there. >> i was walking like.

>> i felt. >> like in a tunnel. i couldn't remember anything. >> till i saw. >> this tiny room. >> and yael is. >> hugging him. it was. unbelievable moment. >> wow. >> adi, i'm curious if he has shared with you about the conditions he was kept in and how he was treated. >> yeah, they. >> so i. would divide into two phases. phase one. >> it's the. >> first year which is. which was. >> really rough. >> he was moved a lot. >> between sites. >> apartments, tents. >> underground. >> above ground. >> the alleys, slept on the street. >> just name it. >> it was. >> a. complete hell. >> the good. thing about. >> the after. >> president trump was. >> reelected. >> his conditions. >> were improved dramatically. >> he was moved to. another compound. >> he was held there since then. >> i believe. >> at the. >> same place. >> and they had. >> a little. >> bit better. >> nutrition. >> some tea, maybe.

>> you know. >> like a. >> basic stuff. so the second phase was. >> not so. >> bad. >> but the first phases. >> was. >> like a pure hell. >> how. >> how how do you. get him. back to normal? what is the protocol now to sort. >> of i mean, this has been a long. >> this is a long time to be in captivity. talk to me about what that looks like. and how do you support someone who has been in captivity. >> for such a long period. >> of time? >> yeah. >> so i. >> don't. >> know if. >> the audience saw. >> that. >> but he like. >> filled with. >> bedbugs. >> bites and mice. >> mice bites and stuff. >> like that. >> just the skin issues. >> and he. lost at some point. >> at the lowest. he waited. >> like 130 pounds. >> and this is a. >> six foot dude, you know. so which is. >> which is really low for this height. >> so just. >> start from the basics. you

know, just skin. >> therapy. >> physical therapy, haircut, some vitamins. >> a little bit. >> like a. >> walk around. >> our apartment. >> we live in a beautiful. >> area in. >> tel aviv. >> we don't live here, but. >> our apartment. >> is here. >> some restaurants. >> just. >> normal stuff, you know? >> and i think he is. >> on the right. >> path and. >> he's making. >> a lot. of progress. we see. >> that every. >> day and. >> we just wait for tomorrow. you know. >> we appreciate. >> the update on how he's doing. yael and adi alexander, thank you both very much. >> i'm so. >> happy you have your boy back. >> thank you for. >> having us. >> thank you. >> our next. >> guest is putting a satirical twist on current events and. america's political climate, while also poking. >> fun. >> at the so-called florida man. acclaimed author. carl hiaasen will join us with a look. >> at his new. >> book.

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>> anti-semitic and goes out on a joy ride. >> for a day, it doesn't sound. >> like. the most. >> no obvious. >> typical material for. >> comedy. >> set. >> up. >> but at the same. >> time. >> when you sort of see it in action. as we did in florida. >> florida produced, i. >> think, more. >> january 6th. >> defendants than any other state. there's a real. >> you know. >> there's a real. >> force down there. >> but there's. >> also a comic side to it. and in. >> this case, in my own case, i. >> found a baggie. >> full of filled. >> with rice. and anti-semitic. >> screed on. >> my driveway. >> one day. >> and all the driveways in my neighborhood had it. so some somebody was driving. >> up and down, throwing. >> these things, thinking it's actually going to accomplish something. and all i could. >> think about. >> was who, you know, who are these idiots? and wouldn't it be interesting to have them in. >> a novel? >> because once their lives be like. >> you know. >> i mean. >> it takes two. >> one's got to open the bag, the other's. got to. >> put the. >> thing in the bag. you know. >> it's a lot. it's there's. >> a comic. >> aspect to that. >> so from the rice

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>> know is a lot. it is a lot. >> even in the best of times. >> i, i'm thinking back about, you know, sort of. >> going through a mini. bus right now. >> as. >> far as real. >> estate. >> how many. >> times have. >> you and i seen that through the years? boom. >> bust, boom. >> bust, boom? >> it is the story of florida. we had these waves of people. >> coming down during covid and after covid. now a lot of them. >> are leaving. but but i mean, just talk. i mean. >> again, even in normal. >> times, florida, florida has been a lot to write about and talk talk about. now the past three, four years and how how rich of a backdrop that's given you for this. >> well, the. >> material is very rich. >> obviously. >> but. >> i mean, even. >> a. >> few years. >> ago. it was just mildly embarrassing to say you were from florida. >> if you weren't in florida. >> now, it's. >> sort. >> of morbidly embarrassing. >> to. >> say you're from florida. >> because we feel.

>> responsible for. >> for the sort. >> of the exporting. it to washington. >> now. >> the weirdness, the grift. >> the. >> greed, some of. >> the bizarre. aspects of it. i mean, you know. >> i mean. >> matt gaetz, i mean. >> you know, we. >> constantly have to apologize. >> for. >> this if. >> you're. >> out. >> in the real world. carl, when it comes to florida culture, there is an affection, of course, embedded in the critique. i presume somewhere in there. what is the best case scenario for florida? actually, as you look at 2025. >> and beyond? >> well, we've. always been. >> on sort of. >> on the cutting edge of, of depravity and decline at the. >> same time. >> the best. >> case. >> scenario is that we. recede from that and, and we, we yield to texas or ohio or another state that starts getting all these headlines. >> but right now, there are so

many. florida people. >> in washington. >> that. >> i don't see that happening anytime soon. i mean, the best. >> case scenario. >> on a. >> serious note, is that. >> people get fed. >> up with it. they get sick of it, and. >> they. >> say. >> look. >> this isn't us, and. >> this is enough. and that's. >> what's. >> happening around the country today, not just in florida. the best case scenario is people wake up and say. >> how do how how far did. >> we. come down. >> this. >> this strange road? >> the new. >> book. >> fever beach. >> is on sale now. new york times best selling author carl hiaasen. thank you very much and great to see you. thanks for coming on. >> the show. >> good to see you too, mika. >> up next. >> he starred in the. >> hit show. >> the office and the blockbuster movie. >> a quiet place. >> now. >> emmy nominated. >> actor john. >> krasinski is. >> taking his. >> talents to the stage. >> with a one man play. >> titled angry allen. >> he joins us along with. >> the show's tony. >> award winning director, sam gold. >> next here. >> next here. >> [engine revving] we're challenging the standard,

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