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cleaner and enjoy a spotless house for $19. >> republicans finally passed donald trump's what i'm going to call a big old nasty bill to give tax breaks to millionaires while kicking millions off their health insurance. great work everyone. i mean, congrats to all involved. i guess this is your signature accomplishment, but if you're the president and this he was definitely involved in this one quite a bit. how do
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you celebrate the first step in your signature legislative agenda? well, we were just talking about this too. but basically he ended tonight with a big fancy dinner, one where rich people all coughed up money to make his family richer, all for the privilege of getting access to him. the sitting president of the united states. now, i'm referencing, of course, the fact that tonight donald trump spent the evening wining and dining with the top investors in his family's memecoin a type of cryptocurrency. of course, trump's family basically auctioned off access to the president by promising the top 220 purchasers of his coin a seat at his crypto gala, the one that was held in the last couple of hours just tonight at his golf club, of course, in washington, d.c. now, the top 25 coin purchasers of that 220 got even more access to trump. they were invited to an exclusive vip cocktail reception before the dinner. so just to be clear here, i mean, these crypto investors literally bought
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access to donald trump by enriching his family. and the more money they paid, the more access they got. it's basically the definition of an in-your-face, blatant, brazen, whatever you want to call it, pay to play scheme. but the white house says, don't worry, because trump isn't doing any of this as president. >> this question has been raised with the president. i have. >> also. >> addressed the dinner tonight. the president is attending it in. >> his personal time. it is not a. >> white house dinner. >> it's not taking place here at the white house. >> oh, i see, so this dinner was scheduled during trump's personal time. his shift must end at 5 p.m, i guess. so anything after that doesn't count in terms of abiding by rules and laws and such things. that obviously is not how any of this works. i mean, when you're president, you're the president. from the moment you were sworn in to the moment you leave office, whatever you're doing, sleeping, dining, vacationing, no matter what you're doing, and
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the people who paid the trump family huge sums of money by investing in this meme coin that, again, will benefit him and his adult sons financially. they got special access to the president and we will probably never know who most of them are. and these donors, by the way, gave a lot. i mean, nbc news estimates estimates that the average attendee to this dinner spent more than $1 million on trump's cryptocurrency in order to just attend this dinner. and cnbc at the same time reports that about 764,000 people, most of whom bought much smaller amounts of trump's meme coin, have all lost money on their investment. so small investors, the overwhelming majority, got screwed. well, rich investors got a private dinner with the sitting president. and for the people who invest a lot, it's worth a lot. i mean, the person who bought more of trump's meme coin than anyone else was this guy. his name is justin sun, and he's a chinese born crypto mogul. you can see him right there on the screen who until recently was being prosecuted by
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the sec for his own alleged crypto scams. that was until justin sun invested $75 million in trump's family crypto business. and then suddenly, trump's sec decided to pause the case against sun. gee, i wonder why we're going to have a lot more on trump's number one crypto fan later in the hour. there's a lot to say, including what a $6 million banana has to do with all of this. and i promise you, it has something to do with all of this. but other than justin's son and a handful of other crypto investors, we don't actually know who the vast majority of these attendees were. all we know is that they bought access to trump and an administration as corrupt as this one. that kind of access is worth a lot. we've seen time and time again how being close to this president can make people richer, or at least allow them to avoid financial pain. i mean, today, propublica also reported that more than a dozen high ranking trump officials and congressional aides sold stock right before trump crashed the stock market. with his big tariff announcement last week.
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once again, the people around trump seem to benefit a lot. well, basically everyone else gets screwed. it's a dynamic we see playing out over and over and over again in this administration. and there's basically perhaps no better example of it than trump's big, beautiful, nasty bill. whatever you want to call it, the house republicans just passed. by now, you've probably heard some of the top lines about this bill. we talked about them last night. we'll talk about it more in the show, how it will cut taxes for the wealthy and slash things like health care and food assistance for anyone else. but when you really look under the hood and we did a little bit of that today, you start to see that the closer you are to trump, the more this bill does for you. i mean, for instance, the bill allocates a whopping $25 billion for a new us missile defense system unironically called the golden dome for america. yes, they called it that. everyone. well, last month, reuters reported that one of the leading contractors being considered for that big,
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expensive project is spacex, which is, of course, one of the companies run by trump's top campaign donor, elon musk. that's not even all when the bill also includes some other giveaways for the maga faithful, like a tax break for gun silencers, and the only people who benefit from that one are secret assassins, i guess. and, well, gun store owners, the people who make money selling dangerous weapons. people like maga representative andrew clyde, who even took credit for getting the gun silencer tax break in the bill. congratulations. i guess the next time a gun goes off and you don't hear it, i guess you should thank georgia congressman andrew clyde for his work there. don't forget to stop by his gun store, of course, because according to his latest financial disclosures, it's worth anywhere between 5 and $25 million. and that's before the big, beautiful gun silencer tax break kicks in, which, of course, he's working to ensure. i remember the whole theme of
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this bill from top to bottom, is that it will make the rich richer and the poor poorer. i mean, 13.7 million americans would lose their health care if this bill becomes law 13.7 million. that is one in every 25 americans, some from losing medicaid, some from losing aca tax cuts. the bill would also add so much to the national debt that it would automatically trigger $500 billion to cut cuts to medicaid, medicare. the bill gets really creative. i will give it that. i guess, when it comes to taking health care away from people, it does it in lots of different ways. and it would mean the biggest cut to food stamps since the invention of food stamps. just to put it in perspective, this is all a tax on the poor to pay for tax cuts for the rich. congressional budget office estimated the overall impact of this bill on the finances of the top 10% wealthiest households in america, and on the bottom 10% poorest households. by 2027, the top 10% is set to become 4%
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wealthier at the expense of the bottom 10% getting 2% poorer. and i know republicans in the house are out there celebrating the bill they passed this morning like it's a done deal, but that is also far from the reality here. and this process and process is the most important one. but it's important to understand and know because there is still time here. i mean, this big, beautiful bill heads to the senate next. and if the senate makes even a single change to the text of this bill before passing it, that new bill will have to go back to the house for them to pass and so on and so forth. they basically the two chambers have to come to an agreement on the text of the bill. the reality here is that the average budget reconciliation process takes five months. so when senate republicans are claiming they're going to get everything done by july 4th, that seems pretty challenging, because no matter how you slice it, there is still a long way to go in this process. now, up to this point, republicans in the house jammed this bill through the first step of the process as quickly as
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they could literally hold hearings overnight, pulling all nighters to pass their first draft of the bill as soon as possible. some people fell asleep during that. that meant there was no way for members of congress, for journalists, for the public, anyone to go through. it was actually in the bill that was very much by design. that also meant there was very little time for citizens around the country to voice their concerns, to peacefully protest, to push their representatives, to vote against it if they're against it. but now this whole process slows down, and there's time to dig into it, to ask questions, to peacefully protest. if you choose to write and call representatives. and remember, republicans can only afford to lose three votes in the senate. and there are a lot of ways they could lose those votes. i mean, the hill reports today that they have a count of 5 to 7 republican senators who could be a no because of the bill's medicaid cuts. people like senator susan collins of maine, senator thom tillis of north carolina, and senator jon husted from ohio, who are all up for
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reelection next year. did they really want to run at a campaign of having cut medicaid, health care, and food stamps, all to ensure the wealthiest get more tax breaks? because there are a whole lot of campaign ads i can think of that can be run just around their vote on this particular bill, one republican senator told the hill, quote, there's probably five, six, seven of us who if you do anything that cuts into benefits, you're going to have a real problem. wait until that person reads the text of the house bill. as politico put it today, senate republicans are prepping for one big, beautiful rewrite. then there's republican senator from kentucky, rand paul, who says he is a hard no on the bill. he says it would add too much to the deficit. republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin says the country can't afford the bill as written. they're basically on different sides of their concerns. but those are two more potential no votes. so a bunch of republican senators think the bill cuts too much. couple think it doesn't cut enough. not a
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mathematician here, but i think a bunch plus a couple is pretty much more votes than republicans can lose. that means getting this bill rewritten and through the senate is not going to be a cakewalk. and it could take time. that means time for constituents of those senators to show up at their offices. that means time for protests and peaceful ones, of course, and phone calls and journalists digging through the more than 1000 pages in this bill to find everything. republicans tried to hide in it. and we tried to do that and talk about some of it tonight. i mean, there is time for americans to apply pressure, not just in the senate, because, again, once the senate eventually passes their version of the bill, it will head back to the house, and they will have to pass that version of it all over again. today, republicans only manage to pass this bill by a one vote margin, 215 votes for the bill, 214 votes against the bill. but after voting on that today, most members went home, as in back to their home districts away from dc that was actually in recess until early june. that means that the
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constituents of every republican that voted for this bill have a real opportunity to make their voices heard. the fact is, 215 republicans, some of them in very tough swing districts who are up for reelection next year, just voted to take medicaid away from millions of americans, including all these republicans. >> democrats will tell you it's. >> going to. >> cut social security, medicare, medicaid and take away your health care. >> they're lying, and. >> nothing can be. >> further from the truth. >> we're not going to be touching social security. >> medicare, medicaid. >> i also. >> will stand with president. >> trump and opposing. >> gutting medicaid. >> my position on this has. >> not, and it will. >> not change. >> cisco money. >> says he supports both programs, writing a letter to republican leadership saying he will not vote for any legislation that lowers medicaid coverage. >> let me. >> tell you again, as a nurse practitioner. >> a person who understands. >> and cares about healthcare, i. >> can reassure. >> you that healthcare. >> medicaid, and medicare, social security. >> are not places where. >> we're looking. >> to cut services. >> a budget bill that. does not
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protect vital. >> medicaid services. >> and address the cap. >> on state. >> and local tax. or salt. >> these deductions. if they are not there, it will. >> not receive my vote. >> would you. >> vote to. >> have that potential. >> of those. benefits being taken away? no. >> i mean, obviously my goal is. >> to not do anything that damages medicaid. >> every single one of those republicans just voted to damage and dramatically cut medicaid. every single one. the margins in the house are razor thin, and there's a lot of time left before the house will almost definitely have to take this bill back up. a lot of time in which any swing district republican member of congress could face a lot of pressure from their constituents. so as we enter the next stage of the budget reconciliation process, what are the impacts of this bill? everyone should understand what could happen in the process that could throw sand in the gears to keep some of these horrible things in the big bad bill from actually becoming law? well, i have just the person to
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there's so much, you know, that i think a lot of people are trying to understand out there. so i'm so grateful to be talking to you tonight. i just wanted to start with the impact of this bill that's now passed the first step here in the house. you know, we've been talking a lot about the impact on medicaid, additional the cuts to additional health care benefits, to snap benefits, programs that have been lifting up millions of americans. what should you see as you look at what you've seen and reported in the bill and the details, what do you see as the short and long term impact of this bill? >> it's good to be with you, jen. it's good to see you. >> and i. >> have. >> to say that this is a. >> big bill, but it's hardly. >> beautiful. if you look. >> at it at. >> a. >> macro level. >> it takes. >> a budget deficit. >> and projections of debt that. >> are. >> already a. >> significant enough. >> problem that last week, the third. >> of. >> the major. >> u.s. >> rating agencies downgraded. >> us credit. >> rating.
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>> and it. >> took that to a. >> much. >> worse place. >> it adds, at a minimum, $3 trillion to the. >> debt over. >> the. >> next ten years. >> and that's assuming tax cuts sunset. >> and we. know that. the sun rarely. >> sets on tax cuts. if the. >> full tax. >> cuts stay. >> in. >> effect. >> it adds. >> 5 to $6 trillion. >> that's trillion. >> with a t to the national debt over the next ten years. you know, i've always believed that we have to pay attention to. >> things like, are we running. >> a fiscal policy. >> that's sustainable, that's just not sustainable. >> so that's. >> the large level. >> i think that's. >> part of the reason it was so. >> difficult to get. >> a. >> majority in. >> the house. >> and the one vote majority. >> passed the. >> bill. >> but it. >> really showed that. for those. >> in the. >> republican side who really care about the deficit. >> and the debt. >> this bill doesn't solve that problem. it makes it worse. >> then you drill. into it as you. >> did in your. >> introduction. >> and it's. >> upside down. i mean, it takes
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benefits. away from the people who need. >> them the most, and it. >> gives tax cuts. >> to the people. >> who are. >> already in the best position. >> the average. >> family. >> $50,000 and below. >> would get about. >> $300 a year of benefits. >> they'd lose more than that. >> from the tariffs. >> families are a million and above get about $90,000 of. >> tax cuts. >> it's completely. >> upside down. >> i know you are a policy wonk in your heart and have long been, but you've also led a lot of these processes. i tried to do my best to explain to people what happens from here. so what could happen between now and this bill getting to donald trump's desk, in your experience, that could make it less awful? >> well. >> look. >> you can take. >> policies and. >> change them, but it's. >> very hard. >> to make the. >> bill better in terms of. >> hurting fewer. >> people, unless you're willing to take away. >> some of the tax cuts. or have a bigger deficit. >> so there's a.
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>> price for everything. >> i think the. reality is that. >> for those. who care. >> about medicaid. >> it's one thing. >> to say you're not going. >> to cut medicaid. this bill cuts. >> medicaid very deeply, more deeply. >> than i've ever seen it cut. >> and it will. mean that. >> millions of people. >> lose their health benefits. >> and you. >> can put a label. >> on things that. >> make it. >> sound benign. >> but then when you. look behind. >> it, you understand. >> why it really is not benign. so you say able. >> bodied people. >> adults should work. >> and most people. >> agree with that. >> this bill would take families. where you. have children. with one parent at home and say. >> they have to. >> work and. prove that they work, or they lose their medicaid. >> and they still have. >> to be home. because they. >> can't afford. >> child care after. >> school for their seven. >> year old. so there are choices that are built in here that they. know will. >> mean a loss of health. >> care coverage. >> and, you know, there are ways of dealing with these. >> things, but everything. >> you do to address. >> the problems.
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>> means you lose savings. >> i think this is. >> the opposite of what you do. if you. >> really want. >> to reduce the deficit, if. >> you really want to reduce the deficit. >> you have a bipartisan conversation about the difficult choices. it doesn't mean. >> cutting taxes. it means. raising taxes. it does. >> mean taking. careful steps. >> to reduce. >> entitlement spending. >> but these are. >> not careful. >> steps on. entitlement spending. >> and they're big tax cuts. >> let me. >> ask you to put your your former white house chief of staff hat on for a moment. since you've worn many hats. i mean, after the house passed this bill we've been talking about that will have dramatic impact. negative one on working people. donald trump tonight hosted a dinner with the top 220 buyers of his meme coin. and the white house says he's doing this on his own personal time. so it's okay. that is not how i remember it. working. working for two presidents. i'm trying to envision if that was something that you came across your desk as white house chief of staff, what would you say but help
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people understand how there isn't really personal time for a president? >> it was a. >> struggle to. >> get. >> the president upstairs. >> to. >> eat dinner there. >> the president. >> the. >> president is on 24 over seven. >> and the laws apply to him at all times, which is important, i think, for people to know. >> and. >> and. >> you know. >> my experience. >> is crises. >> and the. >> need. for contact. >> with. >> the president doesn't. >> end at. >> 5 or 6:00 at night. you know. it's often. a very. inconvenient hours. >> no question about it. i mean, well, he was doing this. you know, i think a lot of people, in addition to the impact of this bill, are worrying about the impacts of tariffs, of course, causing prices to go up. you've talked about this. you've been the treasury secretary, omb director, so many jobs. you've had many of the seats at the policy table deciding all of this. let me just ask you about
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how abnormal it is to see a president threaten a retailer like walmart if it doesn't, quote, eat the tariffs, meaning refuse to raise prices given the impact of the tariffs? that's not something i've seen happen before. i would gather you've probably never seen that happen before either. yeah. >> you know, we in. >> the administrations i worked in, we were always. >> very careful. >> not to do things. >> that would. >> look inappropriate. >> and you. >> would feel free to share your. >> views and your thoughts with ceos. >> but i don't remember ever. threatening a ceo. >> or working for. >> a president. >> who threatened a ceo. you know, i think the. >> tariffs are going. >> to increase. >> prices now. >> that there are 90. >> day delays. >> on them taking effect and negotiations. >> there's some. >> chance that there'll be agreements. >> we don't know what will happen at. >> the end of the 90. >> days, but.
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>> we. >> know there are going to be higher. >> tariffs. >> higher tariffs. >> than we've had in my lifetime. and that means that prices are going. >> to go up. >> and not all. >> retailers can. eat the. >> extra cost of the tariff. and the only other place. >> for it to come. from is the price. >> so i. >> think we are going to see. >> some pressure. >> on prices here, not just at walmart. >> but at other places. >> as well. >> that's what. >> tariffs do. >> jack lew, thank you so much for bringing all of your expertise to us. i really appreciate you joining us tonight. and coming up what do a crypto billionaire i teased this a little bit in the beginning. so you knew it was coming. a crypto billionaire and a $6 million banana have to do with donald trump. this is the one you're just going to have to hear to believe. also, congressman dan goldman is congressman dan goldman is standing by and he's if you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life because there are places you'd like to be. ♪♪ serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine and bacterial infection
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sold your bike on offerup, knows them all. discover life outside the box. >> offer up. >> i'm about to ask a bit of an odd question. do you recognize this banana that you can see on the screen? it's okay if you
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don't. i don't blame you. but believe it or not, back in 2019, that banana duct taped to a wall was sold as a piece of art for $120,000. what's even more absurd is that five years later, another edition of that same banana art as i guess they called it, was sold again for more than 50 times that amount for a whopping $6.2 million. now, the man who bought it, we've already mentioned this evening it was none other than chinese born crypto mogul justin sun. yes, the very same guy who won a private dinner with president donald trump, along with more than 200 other top buyers of trump's meme coin. now, even if you consider it modern art, i guess good for you. a single banana doesn't have a whole lot of inherent value, obviously. i mean, it's certainly not worth millions of dollars, and mr. sun even proved that point himself when he ate that $6 million banana shortly after buying it. what was valuable to mr. sun, it seems, was the publicity he got, the
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shock and awe of it all. and now the chinese born billionaire is back in the spotlight for dumping his money into something else with no real face value. trump's meme coin. think of meme coins. kind of like that banana. i mean, the value isn't in the coin itself. the value is in what the purchaser gets out of it. and that may explain why justin sun reportedly purchased what is now $18.6 million worth of trump tokens to become a guest of honor at tonight's dinner. can't make it up sometimes. joining me now is democratic congressman dan goldman. before getting to congress, he was an assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. congressman, i just have to start. there's so many ways to go with this. i just have to start with the white house explanation that he was on his private personal time, and there's no such thing as personal time as a president. but from a legal perspective, there's no personal time. there's no such thing as personal time for a president. right? >> well, absolutely. certainly
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not. if you're dining. >> with. >> somebody and you're. >> selling a seat. >> at that. >> dinner to. >> the highest bidder. >> and i believe. >> that. if justin's. >> son is. >> the top trump. >> coin holder. >> that he is one of the 25. >> people who. >> gets a private. tour of the white house, the white house is, of course, public property. >> it belongs to the american. >> taxpayer. >> not donald trump. >> there are all. >> sorts of restrictions. >> under the hatch act on. >> using that for. >> campaign purposes. >> i don't even think. >> there are. >> i'm not. >> unaware of the. >> restrictions using. >> them for personal. financial purposes, because that's such. >> egregious corruption. >> that no. other president. >> has. >> ever. done it. justin's son, remember. >> also was being investigated. >> by the sec, and after. >> he gave. >> $75 million. >> invested 75. >> million. >> in donald. >> trump's crypto. >> firm. >> all of a. >> sudden those sec charges were dropped. >> so we're. >> just seeing. >> the corruption. >> in plain sight.
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>> clearly it's right in the middle of plain sight. now, obviously, i don't expect attorney general pam bondi to investigate this, obviously. but if it were any other justice department, wouldn't they investigate this? >> well, look. >> i think we have to stop saying. >> obviously she's not going. >> to. investigate it. okay. >> in the. >> first trump administration. that well, whether whether. >> she i mean. >> do i think she will know, but. >> she should not be let off the. hook because this is such. >> obvious corruption. >> as is donald. >> trump accepting. >> the $400. >> million. >> plane from. >> qatar. >> as is. >> the. >> $2 billion deal. >> for his stablecoin. >> with binance? >> another another. >> company that's come in the. crosshairs of law enforcement. and in any other administration. >> of course, there would be a special counsel, as there was in donald. trump's first administration.
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>> good morning, joe. weekdays 6 to 10 on msnbc. msnbc premium gives you early access and ad free. listening to rachel maddow's chart topping series, msnbc original podcasts, exclusive bonus content, and all of your favorite msnbc shows. now ad free. subscribe on apple podcasts. >> in what has become a bit of a pattern, trump ambushed yet another world leader in the oval office, and this time it was the president of south africa. and this ambush was about promoting one of trump's favorite topics for some time now, what he outrageously refers to as the genocide of white south african farmers. now, this white genocide myth is undercut by the fact that the high rates of violence in south africa have long affected farmers and farm workers, regardless of race. a south african court dismissed claims of white genocide in the
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country as imagined, and none of south africa's political parties, including those that represent white south africans, have claimed that there is a genocide in south africa. so how exactly did this white genocide myth get into trump's head? well, we have to go back to 2018 for a moment when trump posted, after some apparent inspiration from fox news and tucker carlson, that he had asked his then secretary of state, mike pompeo, to study the issue. you can see the post right there on the screen now. the fox segment that trump appeared to be responding to was about a new land distribution proposal. but for the far right, the story was really about whites being unfairly targeted rather than reform. that's how that that was that perception. now, in january of this year, south africa passed a new land reform deal, a move that sparked fury among a lot of people on the far right, including the guy who donated a quarter of $1 billion to trump's 2024 campaign. yes, elon musk,
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you can see him right there. he is, of course, used to social media platform to push this baseless white genocide myth. and that leads us to the debacle of the oval office meeting we saw today, when south africa's president calmly tried to explain to trump why the white supremacist fever dream that they're pushing was completely bonkers. >> i would. >> say, if that was afrikaner farmer genocide, i can bet you these three gentlemen would not be here, including my minister of agriculture. he would not be with me. so it will take him. president trump, listening to their stories, to their perspective. that is the answer to your question. >> thank you, mr. president. i must say that we have. no, no, wait. we have thousands of stories talking about it, and we. have documentaries. we have news stories. let me see the articles, please, if you would.
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and excuse me. turn the lights down. turn the lights down and just put this on. it's right behind you. >> so yeah, i mean, he had a video ready to push his baseless claims. and we're not showing you that video because the video was focused on years old comments from a fringe radical politician that folks like elon musk have fixated on. and look, the fact that trump and his allies are not just pushing this narrative, but they're making policy decisions based on it, is incredibly alarming. it's also not surprising. i mean, this is the same administration that is waging an assault on diversity and equality right here at home by firing qualified officials, taking books shelves, removing posters off walls, and now even opening d.o.j. investigations against chicago's mayor for celebrating his office's diversity. something, by the way, elected officials of both parties have done for a long time. there's a reason that trump is relentlessly pushing this myth, and it falls directly into his and his administration's worldview that
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diversity is simply a threat to purity. but what's musk getting out of all of this? well, here's south african billionaire johann rupert in the oval office earlier today. >> we have too. >> many. >> deaths, but it's. across the board. >> it's not only white. >> farmers, it's. >> across the board. and we need technological help. we need starlink at. >> every little. >> police station. >> we need drones. >> i was a very strange moment. it definitely the comment definitely caught the attention of former us ambassador to south africa, patrick gaspard, who posted this pretty extraordinary to see billionaire johann rupert pleading trump for some deal for elon musk and sterling to come, quote, save south africa. i think that this grift from musk lies at the heart of this entire performance. and former us ambassador to south africa, patrick gaspard, joins us. patrick, you mentioned and i started i just explained how this didn't originate with with
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musk, but you mentioned how musk grift is a potential factor here, which it feels like there's no question. how much do you think this is about his south african roots versus a chance for him to make money and explain to us the whole johann rupert factor here. >> i will, and thanks. >> for having. >> me on, jen. it is all. >> of it is all. >> of the above. right. so for. >> trump. >> there's a perfect trifecta here. he gets to play to a domestic political audience that's. obsessed with white. >> existential threats. >> white christianity being threatened, being. >> removed, and donald trump. >> is. >> anything that could save them. that's one part of it. >> the second. >> part is you and i are not having a conversation right now about. >> prices going up. >> in walmart. >> or the millions of people who are going to be slashed off of medicaid. and the third piece with donald trump is always about the art of the grift. >> elon musk. >> has been. >> in a. contentious policy debate. argument with the south african government for. >> some time. >> now, as. >> he's tried to get the starlink system into south
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africa. there is a regulatory body that makes sure that if a foreign owned business is coming into south africa, that there's equity in it for black south. africans who traditionally have been boxed out of the middle class of the economy in the country. >> musk. >> having failed to get his way, started, then lifting up all of these discredited myths about white genocide in south africa. it all then migrated on the air to tucker carlson, who, of course, is the bullhorn, if you will, to donald trump. donald trump picks it up, begins to amplify it at a time that he knows that his friend. >> is trying. >> to cut this deal and in a fashion that he knows is going to be in the service of his own domestic politics. as he sends his dog whistle to his fringe element in the us, it all works perfectly well for him. johann rupert is one of the largest landowners in south africa. he's been close to many political parties in the country. he's got a long term relationship with
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trump because of how they've played golf with one another in the past, and he's been a bit of a backchannel with musk and other afrikaner business leaders. >> it is watching. that was bizarre, offensive, strange, all of the things. in addition to being the ambassador of south africa, i mean, i want to talk to you about that and you just have a very interesting background. you also have had very high level roles in the white house just watching that today. i mean, you referenced sort of sending the dog whistle to his domestic audience. he also they've gone after the chicago mayor for saying things that are very normal. what? explain to us how you see the connections between him lifting up this storyline in south africa and his effort to kind of dog whistle to the united states and to his domestic political audience? >> yeah. i had the honor of working with you in the white house, serving under a president that you and i understood every single day that we were not serving that president. we were serving the american people. it
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is so deeply offensive and does a violence to your spirit. if you believe in public service, to see the gilding that he's put around the white house now, and to understand that there is self-benefit in almost every act from him, and that self-benefit, tragically for the american people, is tied to an autocratic drift where we're seeing the weaponization of the doj. i fear the weaponization of the fbi and possibly the irs at the same time. and here in that oval office today, this man who just a few days ago stood in saudi arabia and told the arab world that will no longer be lecturing them on human rights. and he's fine if mbs wants to chainsaw journalists in his embassies now stands up and does a pretense of caring about human rights in this profoundly cynical way, in a way that lifts up this kind of white genocide story, to help him with raw, crass politics, deeply offensive, hurtful to a
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partnership that we have with a really important nation in sub-saharan africa, but altogether harmful to our constitutional instincts, our norms, our values, and does a major disservice to that oval office, that sacred space. ambassador patrick gaspard, thank you so much for talking straight about this kind of horrific meeting to watch. i really appreciate you joining me. coming up, a trump official tries to literally edit an intelligence document so it couldn't be used against the president. a long list of crazy stories today and there are many. this is right up there. senator michael bennet is a member of the senate intelligence committee. my guess intelligence committee. my guess is you're telling me, when i switch to t-mobile, you'll give me an iphone 16 pro, you'll help pay off my old phone? and i still get to keep it? that's right. no trade in! there's always a trade in. not right now at t-mobile. no!!! yes!!! (scream). also, at t-mobile, you save at least 20% vs the other big guys. i feel like i have to give you something in return for karma. box of raisins. i'm a mom. a balloon.
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just before 10:15 a.m. eastern, literally 20 minutes later, approximately 1500 miles away in texas, dhs was actively defying a court order. yesterday, eight migrants were taken from the port isabel detention center in texas, loaded onto a plane and flown overseas destination south sudan. and today, a federal judge said that these flights to south sudan unquestionably violated an earlier federal court order. now, you'll also be shocked to learn that kristi noem is not the only. you won't be shocked, i should say, is not the only trump official who is less than completely truthful. in order to further trump's deportation plans. remember how trump claimed a venezuelan gang is committing crimes here in the united states at the direction of venezuela's government? and remember how he used that claim to deport people without due process under the alien enemies act? well, the new york times is now reporting that when an intelligence analysis contradicted venezuela, trump's claims about venezuela, a top
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aide to the director of national intelligence, tulsi gabbard, of course, reportedly responded to that truth telling by saying, quote, we need to do some rewriting. so this document is not used against gabbard or trump. and that, my friends, is definitely not how intel is supposed to work. joining me now is senator michael bennet of colorado. among many things, he is a member of the senate intelligence committee. senator, it's great to see you. i just wanted to start by asking you you're on the senate intelligence committee. i don't want us to become numb to what's happening here. what do you make of this new york times reporting about the effort to essentially change an intel assessment to make sure tulsi gabbard and donald trump don't look bad? >> i was laughing, jan, at the beginning because you characterized it by saying that, in short, is not how intel is supposed. >> to work. >> and that is not how intel is supposed to work. you're not supposed to take the intelligence and manipulate it to tell the story you want to tell. it's not about politics.
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>> the intelligence agencies that that support. >> the president. >> and the congress, as you well know, are supposed. >> to give their. unvarnished view of. the facts, which, by the way, doesn't mean they're right. >> all the time. >> but we're supposed to be able to rely on the fact that they are giving us their truthful. assessment as they. >> can best determine it. and when. >> politics interferes, when people ask. >> to. >> manipulate it to get your. story straight, then you end up not getting the intelligence. and the president, if he even does. >> read the. >> daily presidential brief. you know, the president. >> can't get the straight story. >> and you can see here, at a. >> minimum. >> somebody trying to. please the president, which is dangerous. you know, it happens. >> in. in in. places where there's a dictator in charge that. >> other people are trying. to anticipate. what what will make them happy. >> i just want to just add, yes, as you you deal with many intel
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officials. i mean, they're apolitical. they are allergic to politics. most of the time they are just doing analysis. that's what they do. do you? i mean, you sitting on the senate intelligence committee, along with your democratic and republican colleagues, always think about you have to think about what could be happening out there. do you think this force rewriting could be happening elsewhere? is that something that you're concerned about within the intelligence community? >> well, that that's that's got to be one of the things that we provide oversight on. and when you think about the checks and balances in our society right now and how important they are from the. >> the work. >> that, you know, people like judge boasberg in. dc are doing the courts all across the country that are striking down the president's actions. another place that's really important is the oversight function of the intelligence committee in the senate. and that is a bipartisan committee. and it's a place that traditionally has worked to provide that oversight in a bipartisan way, because we owe our responsibility not just to ourselves, but to the other
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members of the senate who are counting on us to tell them the truth about what we learned there or, or or pass our own judgment about it without being being able to share intelligence. they're relying on us to understand what that. intelligence is. and i hope that that will continue to be the way this committee behaves. but time will tell, and we'll have to see. it's no surprise to me at all. that we would see this kind of behavior, though. when you've got a. system that's being run by, you know, somebody like tulsi. >> gabbard. >> who has paid so little respect to our intelligence agencies, but when she was a member of congress and now that she's been in the top job for president trump. >> thank you for tuning in to the briefing with jen psaki. weekend. join me this tuesday and every tuesday to friday and every tuesday to friday night at 9 p.m. here on msnbc. (♪♪)
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