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ukrainian air force said the attacks have killed at least 30 civilians and injured more than 163. the attacks overnight followed. donald trump actually criticizing russian president vladimir putin, who he called a genius at the beginning of vladimir putin's war. overnight, donald trump saying vladimir putin is, quote, absolutely crazy. trump's words donald trump says he has gone absolutely crazy. he is needlessly killing a lot of people. and i'm not just talking about soldiers. missiles and drones are being shot into cities in ukraine for no reason whatsoever. which, of course, vladimir putin has been doing every day of this war before. donald trump just noticed it this weekend. donald trump said this yesterday. i'm surprised. i'm very surprised. we'll see what we're going to do. i don't

like what putin is doing. not even a little bit. he's killing people. and something happened to this guy and i don't like it. >> the wall street journal headline reads now russia defies trump with largest ever drone and missile attack on ukraine. and a kremlin spokesperson said that donald trump's statements about the situation are, quote, an emotional reaction due to, quote, emotional overload. the new york times reports the campaign comes a week after mr. trump spoke to mr. putin by telephone, and appeared ready to abandon his efforts to secure a cease fire. russia has clearly seen an opening as the united states, long the main arsenal of ukraine's resistance, pulls back from the diplomatic process and resists supplying kyiv with additional military assistance. ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky referred to vladimir

putin's increasingly brazen attacks, as he called them, and the inaction of the trump administration in response, saying in a post, quote, only a sense of complete impunity can allow russia to carry out such strikes and constantly increase their scale. putin demonstrates how much he despises the world which which spends more effort on dialog with him than on pressure. joining us now is democratic congressman adam smith of washington. he's the ranking member of the house armed services committee. thank you very much for joining us on this memorial day. our special coverage of the donald trump seems to have discovered exactly how vladimir putin has been running this war every day. but this is the first time donald trump finds it objectionable. yeah. no, it's i wish i could say it was shocking, but it's. >> somewhat consistent. with the degree to which. >> trump really. >> doesn't pay attention to the

world. >> but this is what people were saying during the campaign. >> if you want peace in ukraine, you have got to put pressure on putin. trump throughout the. >> campaign and after he was elected. >> and. once he. >> got in office. >> put all the pressure. on ukraine. and on vladimir zelensky, didn't. >> put. >> the pressure on putin. >> didn't put the pressure on russia. >> and basically. >> trump showed. >> putin weakness and putin. >> took advantage. >> of that. look. >> look. >> putin for years going. >> back. >> to. >> 2014 has been very. clear about his intentions. >> in ukraine. >> the only. >> way to stop. >> him is to stop him, frankly, to. >> to do. >> what the biden administration did, which was. >> put together a 53. nation coalition to help arm ukraine and help them defend themselves. >> if putin. >> is stopped, that forces. him to. >> the bargaining table. but trump. >> just gave. >> putin a green light. in ukraine. now he's waking up today. surprised by what pretty much everybody. >> paying. >> attention has known for years. the only. >> hope is. >> maybe trump has figured. >> it. >> out, and maybe. >> he will put. >> the pressure on putin. >> you know. >> bring our allies together and

give ukraine a better position, put ukraine in a better position. >> to. >> defend itself and end this war. and everything we're seeing this weekend comes after donald trump had his phone call with vladimir putin, which at the time the white house wanted to portray as a very helpful phone call that advanced the situation in the right direction. it would be now, in retrospect, one has to wonder what might have been said by whom. in that phone call that left vladimir putin going in this direction? >> yeah, i mean. >> i think it's just consistent with what. >> trump has done throughout. >> and that is like i said, to basically, you know, abandon ukraine, make it look like he's sympathetic to russia. i mean, spouting russian talking points. i mean, it's so embarrassing that. >> at. >> the un. >> the us refused to support resolutions under the trump administration condemning russia's invasion of. >> ukraine. >> almost like blaming ukraine for being attacked. all of that

rhetoric, all of that messaging, just told putin that if he waits it out, you know, he'll he'll be fine in ukraine. so we need to reverse that. certainly it's crucial we continue to provide military and other assistance. but then i think increasing sanctions on russia and the one piece of this that hasn't been reported is widely, as i think it should. ukraine has done a remarkable job of stopping russia in the last 5 or 6 months. russia is endearing, enormous casualties, both in terms of people and equipment, to inch forward in eastern ukraine. russia is in trouble as long. >> as. >> we don't back away from ukraine. ukraine can survive and stop putin and that's what we need to do. >> congressman adam smith, thank you very much for joining our discussion. >> thanks, lawrence. >> and joining us now is michael mcfaul, the former u.s. ambassador to russia and an msnbc international affairs analyst. and ambassador mcfaul. we know that among republicans in the united states senate, there is some strong support for

ukraine. it may not be the governing majority of them who are strong, but there's a very solid group who have been strong and consistently strong. and it seems that vladimir putin's conduct over this weekend might give them an opening in the argument they've been trying to make, possibly in private, with donald trump. well. >> i certainly hope so, lawrence. i think that would be a fantastic outcome. you're right. there is a majority in both houses in the house and the senate that support ukraine. if you have the democrats, by the way, the american people do too. when do you get polls where 81% of the american people agree? 81% of the american people don't trust and don't like vladimir putin. so if the president wants to do what's right, but also what's popular, this could be the time for new sanctions and a new aid package to ukraine.

>> you know, this situation, i think, does point back to the trump putin phone call, which is there as far as we know, their only point of major contact this year in the trump presidency. and vladimir putin, after that phone call, has decided to do this, which makes, of course, whatever was said in that phone call so much more important to understanding what's going on now. >> exactly. and of course, we don't know all the details. they talked for a long time, but my guess is vladimir putin said nice things about i want to do a cease fire. and trump said, well, that's great, let's get a deal done. and what is putin's actual response? not his words, but his actions to launch this horrific attack on civilians last night. and i think the president is finally understanding that putin may say one thing and may, you know, humor him when they talk, but

he's actually not interested in doing a peace deal and more. moreover, i think he is embarrassing the president of the united states by doing things like this. just days after they talked. it makes president trump look weak, and i can't imagine that is a good feeling for the president. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> and coming up, if the bill passes the senate, donald trump's budget bill would leave millions of americans without health care and could force hundreds of planned parenthood hundreds of planned parenthood clinics to close. these dishes just aren't getting clean. the problem isn't your machine. it's likely your detergent. - really? - really. i recommend switching to cascade platinum plus. these new pods are packed with more soaking, scrubbing and rinsing action, plus the grease-fighting power of dawn. easily removing up to 100% of tough stuck-on foods. that's impressive. and it works so well,

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>> trust prime minister rabin? >> yes. >> dad was doing the most controversial, complicated interviews imaginable. >> do you think that. this israeli. >> palestinian agreement could survive the death of either of you? >> i hope so. >> from my. >> republican colleagues who. >> are. >> sure what is in and. >> not in. >> this bill, in. >> this. >> process that has been this rushed. >> when you wake. >> up in the morning. you will realize that you voted. >> to defund. >> planned. parenthood and to take away health care. >> from 13.7. >> million americans. and when this country wakes up in the morning, there will be consequences to pay for this, and i yield back. >> that was congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez before republicans voted for a bill that would leave millions of americans without health care coverage and force planned parenthood to shut down 200 clinics, leaving 1.1 million patients without access to care. in a statement, planned

parenthood action fund president alexis mcgill johnson said, quote, defunding planned parenthood is as unpopular as it is dangerous. but house republicans don't care about what the american people want or their ability to get basic health services. we know what defunding will mean. nearly 200 planned parenthood health centers could be forced to shutter, and more than 1.1 million patients could lose access to care. cancers will go undetected. stis will go untreated, and birth control will be harder to get, all while charging the taxpayers nearly $300 million to do it. smith college professor carrie baker, who will join us in a moment, writes in the washington monthly, quote, the number of abortions in the united states has skyrocketed in recent years, despite the supreme court overturning constitutional abortion rights in 2022 and 18 states banning first trimester

abortions, spurring spurred by restrictions. abortion rights advocates have pioneered new abortion pill delivery routes both inside and outside of the medical system that have revolutionized abortion access in the us in ways anti-abortion policymakers will likely not be able to stop. the primary reasons for the expansion of abortion access despite state bans are the advent of telehealth, abortion during the pandemic, and the development of community support networks that provide free abortion pills to individuals living in restrictive states. the convenience and affordability of abortion pills are critical because half of another one quar have a low income, 60% already have children. telehealth, abortion, community networks and websites selling pills enable those who lack transportation or

who can't take time off from work or afford child care to obtain abortion services. joining us now is carey baker, professor of women and gender studies at smith college. she is the author of abortion pills us history and politics. professor baker, your reporting on this has become so much more important now with the possible shutdown of planned parenthood clinics. if this bill is passed. but you've described in detail, i'm sure, very much to the surprise of people who are trying to stop abortion in this country, just how people have adapted to this new regime. this, presumably, will put even more pressure on the telemedicine side of this issue. >> yes. restricting access to contraception. will increase the number of abortions. we've seen this. >> already in states. >> that ban abortion, that

unwanted pregnancies. >> have gone up. because of restrictions and access to. >> contraception and. >> abortions will. >> go up. >> they won't stop. abortions because if people are. >> determined. >> if they can't afford a pregnancy and don't want to carry it to term, they. >> will find a way to. >> end a pregnancy. and we know this because from around the world, where nations have bans on abortion, it doesn't stop abortion. it just means people have to find alternative routes. and i think about prohibition. prohibition didn't stop people from drinking, right? if people, you know want to control their bodies, they're going to find a way to do it. and abortion pills are safer than tylenol are 98% effective, and people are finding them in creative ways. in the united states. >> what would you anticipate if this bill is passed that would restrict planned parenthood so much? what changes would you

anticipate in what you've been covering, what you've been reporting on? >> well. >> i think that more people will need abortions. more people will end up with unwanted pregnancies. you know, planned parenthood closes down, people won't have access to contraception. they won't have access to cancer screenings, to std screenings. many of these planned parenthoods are located in rural areas and low income areas, and there aren't alternative sources of care. and so people are going to end up with a lot more unwanted pregnancies. and we know when people have unwanted pregnancies and they're not able to care for those children, if they were to have them, then they get abortions. and abortion pills are widely available. i think this was an unintended consequence of the overturn of roe versus wade during the pandemic. even before the overturn, because of the rise of telehealth, people began to get

abortion pills through telehealth. two thirds of abortions are done with medications, and over 20% are now done with telehealth. and the thing about telehealth, that means that people can get it no matter where they live, no matter if even if they live in states with restrictions. there are now eight states that have telehealth provider shield laws that allow providers in those states to serve people in all 50 states. so those clinics are now mailing pills to people in texas and louisiana and georgia. and the, you know, 18 states that ban first trimester abortions. and in addition, it's very affordable. the clinics that are serving those people are serving them on a sliding scale fee. they're very determined to get this care to people so that people don't end up with unwanted pregnancy, having to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. so that's all within the medical system. so those are doctors in states like massachusetts or new york that are mailing medication abortion

to people in banned states. but then there's also a very vibrant underground network where people are sharing pills for free in states that are restrictive, and these medications are, again, remember, very, very safe, safer than tylenol, much safer than viagra. and these networks, which again, in countries around the world where abortion is banned, these kinds of community networks exist. and so one example is red state access. and every state that bans abortion, there's a community network in that state. and all people have to do is email the proton account that's listed on the red state access website. and people and these networks will send these medications. these are reliable networks. it's safe. and then they also have support for people using the pills. in addition, there are a bunch of websites selling abortion pills.

these pills should really be over-the-counter. that's how safe they are. and the only reason that they're restricted is because of anti-abortion political pressure, which has made them very historically very hard to access. and you can buy them on the website for about $65. so it's quite affordable. and all of these resources are available on a website called plan c pills dot. and it has a drop down menu you put in your state, and it will tell you exactly what community networks serve your state. the vetted e-commerce website selling abortion pills, as well as the telehealth providers serving your state. >> professor kerry baker, thank you very much for joining us. >> absolutely. thank you. >> thank you. and coming up, donald trump once again caved on his illegal tariffs, agreeing to delay tariffs on the european union. the continued chaos and failure of donald trump's

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on all goods imported from the european union to july 9th. neil shearing, chief economist at capital economics, says the scale of the increase in tariffs, the capricious manner in which they were threatened and the growing size of us budget deficits are unsettling financial markets. this all points to concerns about policy direction in the united states lacking credibility, and that the guardrails are coming off. joining us now is economist betsey stevenson, professor of economics at the university of michigan. she served as chief economist for the department of labor in the obama administration. professor stevenson, thank you very much for joining us. i have a very, very confidently declared to the world on this program that these trump tariffs won't go into effect, but i'm not running a company in europe where where i really have to kind of plan my prediction is based on donald

trump has saw what the stock market does to him. when he does that, he won't do it again. but he loves continuing to play the game that these tariffs are in his hand, ready to impose at any moment. what is just the threat doing to the international economy and the american economy? >> well, i mean, you. >> nailed it by talking. >> about the uncertainty. and what would. >> you do if you were a business? you know, you. >> can say. >> these tariffs won't go into. >> effect. >> but we actually. >> don't have. >> really any. >> idea what's going to be announced tomorrow or the next day, even if the tariffs go into effect, will they last 24 hours, 24 days, 24 weeks. we just don't know. and what that basically means is that there is option value of waiting to get more information. so what a lot of companies need to do is just not move ahead with investments or new hiring or plans for the future. until some of this uncertainty resolves, and that

even if none of these tariffs ever go into effect, that's going to be enough to slow the global economy. the united states, more than any other country, will be hurt by that. but it will. you know, it is having effects that are ricocheting across the globe because it's hard to make plans if you actually don't know what kind of market you'll be able to sell into. >> now the other thing that, again, this is our foreign trading partners would not have such a good focus on this is that all of these tariffs are illegal. there is absolutely no authority anywhere in law for a president to impose a 50% tax on everything coming from the european union, and they are all subject to court challenges right now. and so this is entirely possible that courts will be throwing out the president's authority to do this in the way he's done it. there's a very, very limited legal authority for specific tariffs on specific goods from specific places for national security

reasons. but the world has to live with the bluster that they get from donald trump. they don't have any other choice of saying, okay, now it's july 9th. >> well, look, i'm an economist, not a lawyer, so i don't want to comment on the legality. but what i will say is the difference between an actual formal trade agreement, which we're not planning to get from anybody, is when you get a trade agreement that's signed by congress, we know that that document is going to last for longer and typically lasts into a new presidential administration. these are handshakes. these are he calls them trade deals. they're kind of like trade winks. you know, it's not really clear what's going to last and how long it's going to last. so even if, you know, the president can announce that he has, you know, made some kind of arrangement, the reality

is we don't know how long that arrangement is going to last. it may be undone, as you said, by a court. it may be undone in the mid-term after the midterm elections. it may be undone by another president. if you're thinking about making an investment in a factory or something that you need to yield returns over many decades, you can't count on any of this to last. and i think that that is true regardless of what the courts do. there's a whole bunch of other actors that could change these rules of the game. and so if i if i'm a company making a decision, if i'm a ceo, i'm putting a pretty low weight on the probability we have these tariffs for the next 20 years. >> and even if you get an actual trade deal with donald trump, he has shown he will violate it because the only trade deal he ever really got in his first presidency was the update of the

north american free trade agreement. and as soon as he gets back into the presidency, he violates his own trade deal with mexico and canada. >> well, i mean, it is true that consistency is not a strength of this administration. but, you know, i think one of the big concerns i have is that the administration does not seem to understand the interplay between tariffs, trade deficits, exchange rates and budget deficits. and so, while trump is, on the one hand, trying to negotiate with companies, with countries because he wants us to be exporting more and importing less, he's running up a budget deficit that requires that we sell treasuries all over the globe in order to fund it. those two things don't go hand in hand very well. without a lot of movements in the dollar. >> professor betsey stevenson, thank you very much for joining

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can determine, after a ridiculous expenditure of billions of dollars, how many radicalized lunatics, troublemakers all should not be let back into our country. harvard is very slow in the presentation of these documents, and probably for good reason. the best thing harvard has going for it is that they have shopped around and found the absolute best judge for them. but have no fear, the government will, in the end, win. i am considering taking $3 billion of grant money away from a very anti-semitic harvard and giving it to trade schools all across our land. what a great investment that would be for the usa and so badly needed. joining our discussion now is professor laurence tribe, who has taught constitutional law at harvard law school for five decades. professor tribe, what is your response to donald trump's latest attack? well, it's really hard, laurence, to know where to

begin. he's obviously unhinged. he has no idea what he's talking about. he just thinks that slinging around, frankly, bs about the people at harvard and other institutions will somehow substitute for taking the law into account. he has been throwing everything he can at harvard, and courts have put a stop to it. it's there was no judge shopping. the district court that happens to have the other harvard case, the federal district court in boston, with a very capable judge. alison burrows, obviously has this case. it's closely related. this case involves trump's attempt to tell harvard that it can no. longer host foreign students.

now that's crazy. >> there's no legal. >> basis for it. he's talking about information that he would like about students. he wants to know details about what they say, what they think. that's a violation of the first amendment. but put it in perspective. harvard is going to admit about 25,000 new students. they're entering in four months. 18,000 of them are americans. those 18,000 eagerly await something like 7000 foreign students whom trump is trying to basically frighten into throwing away their hard fought, well earned admission letter. the letter that tells them they are the best and the brightest from around the world. and he's. doing that by threatening, with no legal basis, harvard's right to admit them. there's a program

called the student exchange visitor program. for 70 years, harvard has been admitting the most brilliant students and scholars from around the world. they are welcomed not only by harvard, but by the united states, because what they learn, what they discover, benefits the country, benefits the country, and benefits the health and welfare of all americans. we used to have a. program that was called operation paperclip to attract the most brilliant students from the countries we defeated in world war two. many of the people who came. to this country, like albert. >> einstein. >> made this a mecca of discovery and learning. but obviously, this is a president who hates intellect, who despises the symbol of

excellence in the world of higher education around the world. he thinks he can score points by attacking harvard. but i have a message, and it's a message that i wouldn't bother delivering to him. i don't know that he'd understand it, but a message to those seven students, those 7000 students that he's trying to frighten away. don't be scared. this guy is a paper tiger. he's a tin horn tyrant. in the month of may, there were all kinds of cases across the country. judges appointed by republicans and democrats involving donald trump and his megalomaniac attacks on all of our institutions. and you know what his record was? he lost over 95% of them. just a couple of hours after his lawless and

savage claim that he was going to shut down harvard as a host for foreign students. just a couple of hours after that, of course, judge burrows entered a temporary. restraining order. >> she's going. >> to hold a hearing this thursday. i will be interested in hearing what in the world? harvard will confront. what? in the world? trump's lawyers can possibly argue there. >> is no. >> law that justifies what they're trying to do, and their attempt to retaliate against harvard for not turning over all kinds of information to which they have no right, in violation of the privacy of these students retaliating against harvard for having a curriculum that this president doesn't like, not that he understands it, that retaliation is flagrantly and

flatly unconstitutional, among. >> other. >> things, picking out. >> by name. >> a particular institution. is what the framers of our constitution called. >> a bill of attainder. >> he is trying to basically destroy a particular institution, and then he'll turn to others. but right now he's named one and 7000 identifiable students who've been admitted. he knows their names. it's not a secret. they have admission letters. he's trying to target all of these people for retaliation. so if you want to know what my answer is, my answer is, see you in court, mr. president. yeah. this demand he makes today, he says he's waiting. he's waiting for the foreign student lists from harvard. all of their visas are granted by the state department. every one of them. the state

department knows every single student visa that is issued. and so part of the madness that he spews just includes stuff like that. that that is not doesn't require some kind of, you know, special discovery from harvard or from any institution. right? in fact, i mean, that's the story of this whole case. he keeps coming up with crazy demands, either for information he already has or for information he has no right to have. he wants to know what the basically, if you read closely what he's asking for, he basically wants to know what these students are going to read. he would love to know what they're going to say, what they're going to think. he wants to be confident that they won't join any protests against israel's war in gaza. it's all an attempt to take over the

intellectual underpinnings of a private university. and anybody who isn't connected to harvard shouldn't feel, you know, confident that they won't be next. the one thing we have going. for us is the law. and what is clear is that federal courts, regardless of who appointed them, have some fidelity to the law. they actually care about it. and they have been successful very quickly in telling trump to stop. now, it is true that no member of the trump administration has yet been held in contempt, but just wait. proceedings are underway. contempt findings and criminal contempt findings are not at all unlikely, and the only reason that's taking time is that our judges are trying very hard to make absolutely sure that they

dot every i cross every t, and that their contempt adjudications will be upheld. then trump is likely to say, well, they've been held in contempt, but i'm going to pardon them. well, the pardon power doesn't really extend to contempt of court when it's criminal contempt inherent in the court's own power. he likes to pardon people if they are on his side and if they engage in violence, but that isn't going to help here. so clearly, it's not a situation in which students ought to be scared, although it's hard to blame them. you know, it's not so hard for me. somebody who was born to russian jewish refugees in war torn shanghai, who was welcomed to this country at the end of world war two to honor the people who sacrificed their

lives so we could enjoy the fruits of freedom. and it's pretty easy for me to see memorial day as an occasion to stand up to somebody like this tyrant. it's harder for lots of foreign students who face these threats and wonder, am i safe? but the siren of safety and succumbing to lawless power is really illusory. if you give up. >> in. >> advance, that's when you're not safe. but trust me, harvard has your back because you are crucial to us and to our survival. the intellect that you bring to harvard and to the country is something we value and need. so we're on your side, and america's judges have your back because you're prevailing over trump in this lawless war he is waging on the mind is

vital to our courts and their survival as keepers of the flame of the rule of law. so yes, you've got an enemy in this deranged donald trump, but you've got millions of friends and they will support you. that's why i think that the threats that this deranged president is making in these ludicrous tweets should not be taken seriously. although the threat he poses to the country is as serious as hell, harvard law professor lawrence tribe, thank you very much for taking the time to join us today. really appreciate it. last week, i had the privilege of interviewing my friend and colleague jonathan capehart on the day his new book came out at the 92nd street y in manhattan. and on this program, and i learned an extraordinary fact

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who, like generations before her, hoped that one day her nation would elect a black president who symbolized the best of her people. but believed. >> in her bones that her country would do no such thing, was mere steps away from a dream come true. jonathan capehart and margaret kendrick capehart came the announcement. i greeted the president and then made my way to the first lady. as mom approached them close behind me, her foot caught on the carpet and she nearly fell. but the president swooped in, saving her from going down. i got you, he reassured her. i don't remember what else was said. usually no one ever does. the encounter is too fast, the company too intimidating to remember anything other than walking into and out of the room. but our fleeting moment was captured by the white house photographer, and you can see the power of it on mom's face. her eyes sparkle,

her smile broad and bright. she is among the unicorns and she is in awe. >> joining us now is my friend jonathan capehart, associate editor of the washington post and host of the weekend here on msnbc. he's now the author of the new book, yet here i am lessons from a black man's search for home. and of course, that was the audio book. jonathan, i think we have the picture in the control room of your mother with president obama. in that key moment, i was told we had. there it is. so that's after she has stumbled a bit. yes. that's after the president helped her get her footing. and that's the typical posing of those white house holiday photos where, by the way, the president and the first lady, including joe biden, used to do the two, they stand there for hours as people are passing through like this. and you're kind of advised, please don't try to make small talk to them because they don't have the time. but your mother made her

moment. yes. with president obama. >> yes she did. and you know, that moment was seared into my memory because as i write, you know, as you line up, you know, they ask you how you want to be introduced. they take your, your, your mom's purse so that she, her hands are free. and then you line up single file and you're in order of your being announced. and when we were, we were almost on deck. i turned around just to check on my mom. she wasn't even looking at me. she was looking at them. and what stuck with me was how she was looking at them. like she was looking at two fantastical beings, two unicorns. and for, as i said, that that little black girl from seven north carolina, they were unicorns. she was looking at the black president of the united states and the black first lady, something she never thought she would ever see. >> and there's president obama,

michelle obama, meeting your mother. they know jonathan capehart when he shows up to shake hands. but what they couldn't know and what i couldn't know until. and i met your mother. i know that night and other nights, she's just the greatest. and what i discovered in the book is that reading about your mother is that you are the first in your family who has never had to pick cotton. >> i say that to people a lot to remind people that the freedom that we celebrate in. >> the woman we just saw standing beside the president of the united states as a young woman in her teenage years was picking cotton in north carolina, right. >> picking cotton, she and her brothers and sisters, because that's how they made money. they were poor, a poor family. and so, you know, for my generation, i was born three years to the day after the signing of the

1964 civil rights act, the 1965 voting rights, the voting rights act was passed the next year. that means i was part of the first generation to live in your freedom, where the words of the constitution fully applied to african americans in this country. so when my cousin and i were running around in the backyard in north carolina, we were the first generation in our family that did not have to pick cotton. >> jonathan capehart's new book is yet here i am. that is tonight's last word. msnbc's coverage continues next. >> it's 5:00 on the east coast. i'm michael steele in for my friend nicolle wallace. so donald trump has a spending problem, at least according to a couple of key republican senators. right now. those senators sayhe