>> do you think that this israeli palestinian agreement could survive the death of either of you? >> i hope so. >> it's 11:00 eastern, 8 a.m. pacific. thanks for staying with us. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. and let's get right to the big story we've been following this morning. >> that high. >> stakes court hearing underway in. >> harvard's fight. >> against the trump administration. >> that hearing is about the administration's efforts to ban harvard's ability to enroll international students. >> an 11th. >> hour filing from the government. >> is now adding a new dose. >> of uncertainty. >> to these proceedings. >> it's all. >> happening the very. >> same morning. >> as the school's commencement. with harvard. >> faculty reporting some students are. afraid to. >> attend harvard's president. >> however, making. >> it clear that international. students are welcome at the school. >> members of the class of 2025 from down the street, across the country and around the world.

around the world, just. >> as. >> it should be. >> and joining us now, msnbc, is antonia hilton from. >> cambridge. >> massachusetts. >> msnbc legal. >> correspondent lisa. >> rubin, msnbc. >> contributor charlie. >> sykes, and former. >> massachusetts congressman and former special. >> envoy to. >> northern ireland. joe kennedy. lisa. >> you've. been monitoring. the hearing. i understand they're in recess right now. >> there was. >> this 11th hour filing. what came of it? >> it sounds like the judge isn't buying this 11th hour filing as something that changes the posture of the case. and let me just review what the administration filed. it was a letter that they sent harvard yesterday informing them of their intent to terminate their

ability to enroll foreign students. and if that makes you say, hey, wait a second, didn't they already do that? they did. but what they said previously was, we're going to immediately revoke your ability to enroll foreign students now and for the future. now, the administration has sort of taken a step back and sent harvard the kind of letter they should have sent, originally referring to the regulatory framework for how you are properly supposed to terminate a university's enrollment in what's called sevp. that's the program that allows any university throughout the country to enroll foreign students who aren't here on immigrant visas, but rather permission to study here in the country. >> the student and exchange visitor program. >> that's correct. and so the judge saying this morning, yeah, maybe the administration did the right thing and sent this letter. but there is so much uncertainty around the program, the fact that they did this at the 11th hour, theoretically, to ward off my preliminary injunction, doesn't change the fact that there are foreign students at harvard or who are about to enroll in harvard, for

whom this has caused all kinds of confusion. i am inclined to extend my temporary restraining order that i entered last week. that means until and unless further notice, harvard is in the same situation with an ability to enroll foreign students, and the administration can't do anything about it, according to this judge. >> the judge sounds like she was quite. >> concerned about the. harm that these students may be experiencing. >> absolutely. and for her this morning, at least according to our colleague gary grumbach, who is in federal court in boston this morning, the judge's real concern was less about harvard and more about these foreign students who we know from reporting, including antonio's, are really facing sort of a sophie's choice, right? they don't know where to enroll, when they can enroll, whether they should go back to their home countries and participate in higher education there. this has caused an endless source of confusion for foreign students at harvard, and there are a considerable number of them. as the president himself said

earlier this week, he said that there were 31% of harvard students are from outside the country. we understand that to be closer to 27%, but still, that's a sizable number of students enrolled at harvard who come from countries outside the u.s. and with permission to study here, provided by the u.s. government. >> and we. >> are. >> told that hearing. >> just concluded. >> i'll let you read in to get a sense. >> of what's next. >> in it. >> antonia, harvard says. >> that president trump's. actions have already. >> made students afraid. >> afraid to attend today's. >> commencement their. own graduation. so i have to wonder. even if harvard prevails, is that fear. factor already present. >> there in cambridge? >> in some ways? has the damage already been done? >> ana absolutely. the fear factor is present on cambridge and in cambridge, and i think it is going to stay around for quite a while, because no matter what happens in this one part of the fight, there are several fronts of this sort of trump versus harvard war. from

additional funding cuts on their way to verbal sort of threats that he's made and insults that he's lodged against people here at the university. so the feeling is that if it's not this, it will always be something else. over the course of the next three and a half years. give you just a sense. well, of course, most of the people here are in a good mood. they're excited to celebrate, to reflect on their last several years here on campus. many of the international students that we've spoken to this morning have told us that they cannot go on camera. they're afraid that the administration will see them on our air and perhaps snatch their visa away, or something could happen to them. so that is a very real sentiment. take a listen to a conversation i had with the mom of one american graduate who works in a quantum physics lab with primarily international students. >> but more generally, he's. >> in a. >> physics lab with a lot of international. >> students, and. >> many of them are looking elsewhere, either to other top schools in. >> the. u.s. or to. >> schools outside the u.s. and.

>> that is really. >> sad, because. >> these are. >> the top. minds who would otherwise. >> be educated at harvard. >> the challenge, though, is that there are international students who cannot return home for various reasons. there may be a war happening in the place that they call home, or they may themselves be fearful of political persecution in their home country. and so, in addition to just figuring out, well, can i stay literally here in cambridge, massachusetts, there's concern about, well, what happens if i actually do go overseas? and then for american students, they are still facing the major funding cuts. so the son of the woman you just met there, she he works in a lab that is in the process of losing its funding. so as he graduates, he's actually going to go over to princeton to continue doing the kind of work that he does, because in part, that opportunity may not be here at harvard. and so that's the kind of fear, the kind of consequence that all of this represents, that people are going to essentially be running away from

these institutions. and as these fights come from one university down the road to the next, they may abandon higher education in the united states as a whole. that brain drain is the real risk and fear here. anna. >> charlie. >> what. >> is your reaction. >> to what antonia is describing there? is this what. >> trump. >> voters wanted? >> well, it's what. >> donald trump wants. >> and this. >> is what he's doing. >> and of course. >> the fear is. exactly the point. >> but to that last. >> point. >> the brain. >> drain here is. >> going to be extraordinary. >> and look. >> there are a lot. of there are a. lot of ways in which higher education. >> needs to. >> be reformed. there's a lot of ways in which harvard needs to be reformed. but this is not. >> about reform. >> it is about. >> destruction. and the. >> loss of the. >> international students. >> is going. >> to have reverberations. >> throughout not just. >> higher education. >> but. throughout the. >> economy and throughout the world. >> you know, this is. >> really been. >> one of. >> the. great investments. >> that. >> the federal government.

>> has made. >> in building up these. >> research functions. >> in. >> universities like harvard. >> and they can't. >> necessarily be replicated. >> and so. >> the. >> damage is being. >> done in. >> the. short term, but the long term damage is. >> also great. and let me just make one other point. one of the reasons why we have so. many foreign students who are playing such a critical role in many of the sciences in higher education. >> is because. >> american education. >> has failed. >> to have enough. >> american students. >> in the. >> pipeline to do many of these. >> specialized to. go into these specialized fields. >> so the. >> the. >> the downstream effect of this. >> is really great. >> this this is a. >> really historic. >> act of. >> self-sabotage by the trump administration. >> congressman, you attended harvard law. and here's what president trump has said about. >> this university. >> he's called it. >> anti-semitic. >> far left a threat to democracy. >> says it. >> has crazed lunatics. it's a liberal mess. as a harvard alum, is any of that true?

>> donald trump has said a lot of things. and i mean, listen, what i would say is a long list of dumb things this administration. >> has done. >> this might. >> not be the. >> top one, but. >> it's pretty darn close. >> a harvard. just as charlie said, harvard has needs for reform. >> higher ed has needs for reform. >> but i'm not sure you could think of a better act of self-sabotage. >> than one. yes. >> trying to. >> to gut. >> some of. the premier talent research institutions anywhere in. >> the world, with. one act coming out. >> of the white house, two at a time. >> when. >> we are in an almost existential race with some of the largest competitors, our toughest competitors in the world, particularly coming out of china on ai, on quantum mechanics and quantum physics, quantum computing, on energy. and fusion, cutting these research institutions and saying to that talent actually don't come here, go to china, go elsewhere. and by the way, chinese have been recruiting scientists and researchers from massachusetts and. from other core research institutions for

decades now, but giving them added reason to go. there couldn't possibly be. >> a. >> dumber thing to do than to try to win an innovation race in the future. but it's not just obviously about harvard, right? as charlie said, it's about a higher education ecosystem here. there's extraordinary research and talent at arizona state, at university of texas, at florida, at michigan, and plenty of other places telling that that talent that wants to come here and help incubate that system of innovation and research to power american thought and in business for next generation, telling them you're not welcome, we don't want you. why would you possibly do that? and that's just as tony said. that is the message that is being sent very clearly, not just to harvard, but to every other research institution and institution of higher learning across the country. so, as i said, not the dumbest. >> thing, but pretty. >> darn close. >> you know. the president has argued that the radical left has. taken over our once great educational institutions. so talking more broadly, not just about harvard, members of your family fought radical ideologies throughout history. so what's

your response to him in. >> that argument? >> my namesake, his name is. >> on the. >> hall at memorial church because he died fighting germans in world war two. right. there are harvard students, and folks and. alumni have dedicated, many of whom have dedicated their lives to upholding the values. and principles and institutions that do, in fact, make america great and have made america great for a long, long time. the fact that this administration chooses to ignore their sacrifice and their contribution, look, that's on donald trump. that's on marco rubio, i guess, for going doing the 180 that he has done. >> i. >> i, i can't explain that. that's for a question for them to try to, to come to grips with, i would say from having spent years on the harvard campus, the idea that harvard business school has become a bastion of marxism and communism would come as a news flash, certainly to me. and i think many students at harvard business school. >> charlie. why wage this war. against academia and the ivy.

>> league. >> in particular? president trump. >> hasn't gone after public universities with the same intensity. >> well, he may at. >> some point, you know, this. >> this. >> may be the this may. >> be the test. >> run, which. >> is why the fight. >> about harvard is. >> so important. >> because if harvard. >> cannot fight, fight back then. >> then who can? >> and it. >> it is a warning shot. but look the you know. >> the criticisms of academia go back and. >> conservative politics for decades. >> william f. buckley jr's first. >> book was god and man at yale. >> but it's one thing to talk about the liberal bias. >> of the universities. >> but when. >> you're shutting down. cancer research. when you're shutting down. research into. artificial intelligence or. >> quantum physics. >> you're not addressing. >> anything that is relevant. >> and by. >> the. >> way, i would. >> be very. >> very. >> interested in knowing. >> what the reaction of many of. >> the tech. >> bros from. >> silicon valley. >> who have been, you know. bending the knee. >> to donald.

>> trump, what they think about. >> this, when do you think about the. >> international competitiveness? >> the. >> companies have. >> been hiring. many of. >> these foreign students. >> and i. >> think that a lot of the people in, in american. technology would tell you that. many of the advances that this country. >> has had since. >> the end of world war two have. come from immigrants. >> have. come from. >> foreign students. >> this is. >> not just a one off. this is not a minor part. >> of the american. >> story or the american economy or the future competitiveness. >> of american industry. >> so this will have. >> tremendous implications. >> that have. >> nothing to do. >> with whether or not harvard is woke. >> or what its record. >> has been on free speech or anti-semitism. those are separate issues. but again, the. damage here. >> is going to be fundamental. >> this is not reform. this is destruction. >> and i think you're. >> going to see that playing out. >> and this is certainly. >> not the end of this discussion. but we do have to leave it here, lisa. very

quickly, if you will. what is next when it. >> comes to. >> this legal battle? >> the judge has. >> left her temporary restraining order in place indefinitely, it seems, and we'll have to see what her order actually says on it. in the meantime, the letter that harvard received yesterday provides them with 30 days to rebut the grounds that the administration has given for the revocation of its enrollment in this program for foreign students. and the two grounds are one that it failed to respond to calls to report information to the administration about its foreign students, and that it has failed to maintain a campus environment. i'm reading from the letter free from violence and anti-semitism. they have 30 days to respond to that. after that, they can request an interview with sevp. that's the arm of dhs that does this certification process. we'll have to see how long that process takes. but certainly there's going to be a process now through dhs, in addition to whatever court battles are, continue to be fought. >> all right. >> thank you so much for that reporting, lisa rubin. antonia hilton. thank you. charlie sykes. >> and former congressman. >> joe kennedy.

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>> and how it fits. >> into the bigger picture? >> well, ana, you know, andre hernandez is just one of the better known of these cases of venezuelan men who were deported to the supermax prison in el salvador under the alien enemies act. his story has resonated with a lot of people. he's a gay man who was a makeup artist for a tv station in caracas. he came to the u.s, he told his lawyers here in the u.s. that he had fled venezuela because he was suffering persecution for both his sexual orientation and his opposition to the government of nicolas maduro in venezuela. now, those claims were the basis of his his asylum case in the united states, which was in progress in an immigration court in the detention center, was being where he was being held in san diego when that process was abruptly terminated. when he was put on these planes on march 15th that were sent to el salvador with no due process, no court hearings, no communication with his lawyers, and up to this day, extremely little information, virtually no information about who these people were or the legal underpinnings for the decision to remove them to el salvador.

now, the fact that the judge terminated his asylum case is important for a few reasons. when we talk about due process in these cases, what we are talking about often are these pending immigration cases in u.s. immigration courts, often asylum claims like the one that hernandez romero had. those were the processes that were cut short by trump invoking the alien enemies act. so the lawyers, not just in this case, but in similar cases across the country, were trying very hard to keep those cases open as a way of basically preserving the vestiges of this due process that was stopped in its tracks. initially, the immigration judges were sort of open to this. they were continuing the cases. they were keeping them open, even though the person in question was absent and could not be contacted. but recently, in just the last couple of weeks, judges have started agreeing with the government's motions to dismiss these cases. now, the reason this is troubling to the families and the lawyers of these individuals is because it's essentially eliminating any trace, disappearing them from the american legal system. and this is, you know, this, as it has

always been, is a story about due process. it's important to remind people these people had pending immigration cases that were legally being assessed by a judge. that is the process that was cut short when the alien enemies, when the alien enemies act, was invoked. >> i know. >> you've been in. contact with. >> andre's mom and best friend. what are you hearing from them and have had they? have they had. any contact with him? >> they have not had any contact with him. and every time i talk about these cases, i stress that these men who were sent to this prison are in functionally a black hole. they are completely cut off from contact with the outside world, with with counsel, with loved ones. the united states government is not even acknowledging in court that they are there or identifying who they are. the only reason we know they're there bause we've seen pictures, some of the pictures that were released by the salvadoran government or some other pictures taken by media in in other cases, the family of andre hernandez. romero is very distressed by the fact that his asylum case was closed. they saw keeping this asylum case open, as, in their words, a beacon of hope that he might eventually be released and

brought to the united states. >> ana david noriega. >> thank. >> you so. much for your reporting. >> and joining us now is andre's. >> lawyer. >> linsey kozlowski, executive director. >> of immigrant. >> defenders law center. linsey, as david mentioned, the asylum case was. dismissed for andre. so what does that mean for him? >> does the u.s. >> have any skin in the game at all to get him out of that prison in el salvador. >> absolutely. >> so we are. continuing to fight, and. >> we want. >> to stress. that his case. >> being dismissed, his asylum case being. >> dismissed. >> is not the end of andre's story. >> he is the lead. >> plaintiff in gigi versus trump, the. aclu lawsuit that is seeking the return of the men who are in sitcom, including andre. >> we believe that. >> they are in the. custody of the u.s. government. still, there. >> is an agreement between. >> the u.s. government and el salvador to. >> hold andre. >> and the others today. >> being day. >> 75, that they are there in that supermax prison in el salvador.

>> so he we will. >> continue to fight in that court. we also intend to appeal this decision. we think the. >> judge was. >> wrong here. andres case should be able to continue. he is only not. >> in the. >> court in san diego because the u.s. government. moved him to el salvador. they rendered him to el salvador. he was seeking asylum. he was here. we were prepared to move forward, and we're still prepared to move forward. so we will not only fight within the asylum proceeding itself, appeal this decision to a higher court, but we will continue to fight for his return in federal court. >> how frustrating is this for you. >> as a lawyer? >> the system seemingly failing. >> your client. you can't even contact him, right? >> as i said. >> it's been 75 days. in my 15 years of practice, i have. >> never had a. situation like. >> this where our client effectively disappeared overnight. we have been given absolutely no information.

>> every single. >> government official that we have spoken to asking to get proof of life. for our client, has told us that they will not facilitate communication. >> in fact, the last proof of life we have are those horrific. >> photos that were taken by a time. >> reporter of. >> him being abused and slapped in the face as he arrived in el salvador. we have had congressman robert garcia go down to el salvador and ask. >> through the. >> u.s. embassy and to salvadoran officials for. >> proof of life for andre. >> and we still have. >> received nothing. >> it's an absolutely absurd situation. it's a violation. >> of due process. and really, it should. >> be a. >> canary in the coal mine for everyone of what happens when the government ignores. >> the rule. >> of law. >> i know you are also involved in the case of eric eduardo fonseca solorzano, a father from honduras who was handcuffed and detained just moments after a judge issued a dismissal of his immigration case. the la times described how his wife trembled

in panic. his son. watched in wide eyed disbelief as agents quickly shuffled him. >> to a. >> service elevator, and he was gone. the boy was silent. sticking close by his mother, tears welling. how commonplace are situations like this now? as the trump administration tries to ramp up its immigration crackdown? >> so beginning may 20th here in the los angeles area and lawyers have reported across the country, we began to. see these courthouse arrests. i was in court when. >> mr. solorzano. >> was detained. >> i was. >> in while the government moved to dismiss. his case. he opposed on. >> the record. >> and. >> told the judge that. >> he wanted to remain in his asylum claim in proceedings with his wife and son, who were also there in the courtroom. >> and over. >> his objections, the judge moved. >> forward and. >> dismissed his case. >> he was unrepresented at the time. >> as we exited. >> the courtroom, i followed. >> the family out. >> and actually witnessed the

ice officers, six of them in plain. >> clothes. >> not wearing uniforms, you know, come up. >> to the father, detain. >> him. handcuff him in front of his son. >> as tears. brimmed in. >> his eyes. >> i then, you know, went down stairs with the family, and i can tell you that to see that little boy. he was only. >> eight years old. >> in. >> his school. >> uniform who. came to court. it was their very first court date. >> after entering the. >> united states with an appointment. >> doing everything the government. >> has asked them to do to seek. >> asylum in the. >> united states. >> to see his face. it was. >> almost as if he had aged two years from. >> the time we. >> left. the eighth floor and got to the bottom. >> floor. >> he was completely traumatized and all of. >> this so that. >> the government can separate his father's case, put him in expedited. removal because, you know, we continue to see the trump administration finding fundamental fairness in due process in our immigration courts, inconvenient to their

plans for mass deportation. >> they believe that. >> it doesn't move things fast enough. but due process is a bedrock of our justice system. and so we, you know, took that case. we will continue to represent that family. >> continue to. >> fight for them. >> but he. >> was moved this. >> weekend, 1100 miles away to washington state. and so we are continuing to represent him. but it is incredibly challenging what's happening in our immigration courts. >> lindsay. >> something you said really caught my ear. >> and that is this. >> is an example of a case where migrants attempted to follow the so-called right way to work within the system. >> did everything. that they. >> were essentially told to do, whether it's applying through that. >> cbp. >> one app. >> previously to. >> have their asylum case now into the system. >> i mean. >> are they. >> suddenly now easier targets because they. >> did it the right way? >> that's exactly right. and that's why this is incredibly

bad policy. it comes down to that fundamentally, because when you target people in immigration court. >> when you target the. >> people who show up, the people. >> who. >> you know, came in, were paroled into the united states, go to. their hearings, listen to. >> the notices. >> that they have come in to avail themselves of the. >> system. >> to seek asylum through that process. when you target them, what does that say to other people? >> it tells. >> people that they should be. afraid to come to court, that they need to go into the shadows. this is bad policy. it makes us less safe as. >> communities, if we are punishing the very people. >> who follow the rules. and i sat in a courtroom yesterday and watched this happen to person after person. >> who were surprised after. >> they walked. >> out. of the. courtroom to be. >> accosted. >> sometimes by masked agents. >> in the hallways. >> and taken into custody. these were people who came into court ready to move forward with their

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decision. you can see the markets reacting right now actually pretty flat. the dow just up a few points. this isn't the first sign we're seeing from wall street investors that they weren't too fond of trump's recent trade policies. listen to this. >> mr. president. >> wall street. >> analysts have. >> coined a new term called the taco trade. >> they're saying trump always chickens out on tariff threats. and that's why markets are higher this week. what's your response to that? >> i kick out. >> chicken out. >> oh isn't that nice chicken out i've never heard that. you i reduced china from 145% that i set down to 100 and then down to another number. and i said, you have to open up your whole country. and because i, i gave the european union a 50% tax tariff, we had a dead country. we had a country. people didn't think it was going to survive. and you ask a nasty question like that, it's called negotiation. >> let's bring. >> in nbc. >> news business and data

correspondent brian chung. now. >> this appears to. >> be a. >> huge blow to the president's. agenda when it comes to tariffs. so which tariffs. >> are. >> specifically impacted here and which products. >> yeah this. >> is a. >> major ruling by the court. but what we're talking about here are not necessarily all of the tariffs that we've been talking about. and there have been a lot of them. so people could be excused for maybe forgetting which ones we're talking about. what we're talking about here is the 10% tariff on essentially every country around the world. what is not impacted by this ruling is going to be those specific industry tariffs that the president has announced on things like automobiles, 25%, as well as on steel and aluminum. again, there are also some other potential tariffs that are in the pipeline. those are also not impacted today, with the president having threatened further industry specific tariffs on things like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors. so again, we're talking about that 10% tariff that would apply to let's say for example, the european union as well as to madagascar or to india. so this is a big deal because again, this was a cornerstone of the president's tariff policy here. but his advisors are speaking out. and in addition to the white house

saying that they're going to appeal it, the advisers are really hammering the judges. that made this decision pretty hard as well. take a listen. >> this is their. >> last line of defense. >> we have these. >> unelected judges who are trying to. >> force their own will when. >> it comes to tax policy, trade policy and all matters of the economy. >> if they're a little. hiccups here or there because of decisions that activist judges make, then it shouldn't concern you at all. >> and it's certainly not. >> going to. >> affect the negotiations. >> so you can hear. jason miller as well as kevin hassett there, saying that it's not going to change their strategy here. so the tariffs are still very much a real threat. and i think that's a reason why you're not seeing wall street move all that much off of this news, despite the fact that this seems to be a pretty big deal. >> yeah. not changing the strategy. >> but doesn't. >> the negotiating leverage sort of fold here? and of course, we know there's supposed to be this phone call today. >> in fact, right. >> with the eu and howard lutnick, the commerce secretary. >> well, look. >> when it comes to the eu

specifically, we have to remember that there's this looming 50% tariff that the president had originally proposed for the first week of june that then got pushed back over the weekend to the first week of july or july 9th, to be more specific. but nonetheless, yes, if you're looking at this court, if you're from the perspective of the eu, you're probably thinking, well, if i have a court in the united states that might help me here by striking down the legality, the legal standing of these tariffs, then why do i need to be aggressive in trying to negotiate with the united states on something? so i think on one front, it does kind of increase the leverage for the other countries that are trying to negotiate with the united states. but then, on the other hand, it really adds a, you know, a less, you know, less time sensitivity, if you will, to the matter, because you might say, you know what? i'll just wait on this matter until the courts figure out what's going on here. and maybe that'll allow me to kind of not have to abide by whatever the whatever number the president is flowing in terms of a tariff. >> and i just. >> want to reiterate. >> that when. >> we're hearing them attacking the judges, the trump allies. >> are. >> attacking these judges. one of the judges on the.

>> three person. >> panel was a trump appointee. another one was a. >> reagan nominee. >> and even though they're not elected, some of them are political appointees. and i think that is an important distinction you bring up. >> thank you so much, brian. >> appreciate it. >> keep us posted as. >> that continues to unfold. >> and now i want to turn to the humanitarian. crisis in gaza, where chaos continues to swirl around newly. >> opened distribution. >> centers following months of an israeli blockade. this new video highlights the desperation for these palestinians clamoring. >> for just basic. >> food and supplies at this world food program warehouse. the un saying it was broken into by hordes of hungry people before the blockade. of course, others were able to get in and see this damage and the desperation firsthand. doctor clayton dalton among them. he's an emergency physician. he traveled into gaza as part of the un's medical aid team. his experiences were documented in a video diary and column for the new yorker entitled hospitals in ruin. and doctor. clayton dalton is joining us now. thank you so much for taking the time. doctor

dalton, you described the. >> devastation you. >> saw in gaza like nothing you've ever seen before. given your background as an emergency physician, walk us through what that means for you. >> it's great. >> to. be with you. >> and thank you. >> it's hard to describe. i mean. >> every. >> every aspect of the health care delivery system was was touched by destruction in some way. it wasn't a question of whether or not components had been damaged or. >> facilities. >> had been damaged. >> it was just. >> a matter. >> of degree. some of them were were functional in the midst of the rubble. some of them had been completely destroyed, absolutely beyond. >> repair. >> supplies were. >> were limited. >> gauze was in short supply. >> antibiotics were in. >> short supply. everything that you would need to. take care of patients in this, in this environment. >> was in. >> short supply. >> and this was during the cease fire. so this was when. >> medical aid was actually. >> coming in and.

>> still it wasn't enough. so i've been in touch with people that i worked alongside who are palestinian healthcare workers who are still there. and they say that it's just. >> so much. >> worse. >> which is hard. >> for me to imagine. i mean. this was already beyond. >> anything that i'd. >> ever. >> ever seen before. the circumstances they're working in are just. >> so difficult. >> what brought you to gaza? what inspired you to go there? >> sense of. >> being able. >> to make. some contribution, to be. >> able to. support them. >> medically, to be able to tell their story. that was actually the thing that. >> people asked me to do when i was there. >> the healthcare workers i worked alongside, they were they were so glad to have us there to just to help medically. but so many people, dozens of people said, please just tell the world about what is. happening here. tell them what you see. tell them. tell them what's happening here. and that's what i've tried to do. >> in your. >> new yorker video diary, there was a doctor. >> who was giving. >> you an inside tour of the

damaged icu, who points out medical equipment that had appeared to have been systematically disabled with bullet holes. i want to play a portion of that. >> he took me up into the icu and showed me. a number of different pieces of. >> medical equipment, and. all of. >> them seemed. >> to have. a bullet hole in the screen. >> i don't he was like, i don't. >> understand. >> and i. >> get that. i also. >> was struggling to understand. >> this didn't seem like collateral. >> damage to me. you know, these were specific pieces. >> of medical equipment that. >> seemed to have. >> been systematically disabled. >> the idf denies that they. specifically targeted medical equipment. but what was your takeaway from this? >> this is horrible. i mean, i wasn't i wasn't there.

>> when these machines were destroyed. >> i don't know exactly what happened. i can say that the implication that was shared with me by. doctor sultan, who you can see in the video, who's the director of the hospital, was that he discovered he discovered. >> this. >> damage after soldiers had had been active in hospital facility. and the idf did deny that, that they destroyed medical equipment in this way. but it was extremely disturbing. it's hard for me. >> to. >> understand any sort of justification for this kind of targeted destruction. >> so much destruction and chaos that i. >> know you witnessed. >> firsthand that we've seen in the images, but you also describe witnessing moments of normalcy, seeing a family congregate over tea, children laughing and playing. and even flying kites. these have to be incredibly dark times for them. and yet what resilience, what perseverance. what did you learn about the spirit of the people there? what do our viewers need to know?

>> it was extremely humbling. i saw this in the healthcare workers that i worked alongside, and the. civilians who were still trying to make a life in this place. they were they were kind. they were welcoming. they were generous. they would always be sure that we. >> ate first. >> which made me extremely uncomfortable. but there was no negotiating that. and there's so many children. nearly half the population of gaza, which is about 2 million people, is children. and they're just finding a way to. to live as children in the rubble. they're finding ways to play and to laugh. it's, it's what children do. i think it's so important to me to remember that, you know, we're exposed to these scenes of destruction, of famine. and it's so important that we stay. aware and conscious of what's happening there. but we also have to remember that, that these are people just like us and they're they're trying to live their lives here. i think we. >> have to remember. >> the humanity of the people who are here.

>> doctor clayton dalton. >> thank you. >> so much for sharing. >> what you witnessed. >> sharing your reporting and firsthand accounts of what you saw. it's so important. >> and we. >> we really value your time today. thank you. >> thank you anna. good to be with you. >> next here on anna cabrera reports evading the law. escaped inmates in louisiana and arkansas keep communities on edge and police on high alert. we have an update on where those we have an update on where those searches stand. sta sara benzino... brandon coley... jablonski auto body llc... -whoo! -yeah! whoo! what'd she call harper? oh, you mean jablonski auto body llc? we actually sold the twins' naming rights. you know, like stadiums do? kids are so expensive these days. -here he comes! -...oasis breeze tan & spa... -whoo-hoo! -yes! if you need a tan, i'm your man. good doing business with you. or...we can look at some investment options -for you... -works for us. the right money moves aren't as absurd as you think. i'm suffocating. oh, no.

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where the former sheriff worked, whose brother was killed by hardin, saying she fears for herself and her family. >> i also blame the prison for them letting him out. do they not have badges. >> that. >> they have to show? so somebody. >> failed our system. officials in louisiana say they're making progress, tracking down the last two men who broke out of a new orleans jail nearly two weeks ago. domestic abuse suspect antoine tomasi and four time convicted killer derek groves are still at large. >> they're both considered armed and dangerous, but we're very close, and that circle is tightening very, very quickly. >> new orleans authorities have arrested a total of 14 people in connection with the mass jailbreak and rearrested eight of the ten men who escaped. back here in arkansas, tips and unsubstantiated rumors about hardin have been pouring in, including the theory he may have floated away down this river. but authorities say there have been no confirmed sightings so far.

>> i think. >> he didn't get away. >> i think he's around here. >> somewhere and. >> they'll. >> probably find him. >> now, just within the last hour. >> authorities are. >> now offering up. >> to a $10,000 reward for any information that will. >> lead to. >> the recapture of grant hardin. the izard county circuit court here has. >> also issued. >> an arrest warrant for second. >> degree escape related to. his escape. >> back on sunday. >> so it's likely that if they're able to recapture him, he'll be facing. >> new. >> charges and likely more. >> time on. >> his already lengthy sentence. >> ana maria schrader in calico rock, arkansas. thank you. next here on ana cabrera reports health alert texas lawmakers green light a bill to make it easier to opt out of school mandated vaccines. and this is all happening. well, that state remains the hotbed of the meas you need not bad.

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