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here. we'll get you the video. >> yes. >> you have. >> a fabulous weekend. >> i'm symone. >> sanders townsend. good evening everyone. >> with michael steele and alicia. >> menendez ahead. >> sleazebag. that's how donald. >> trump is describing a conservative. ally and breaking. >> just moments ago. >> trump is causing new. >> confusion on tariffs. >> and outrage. >> at another republican town hall. the stunning admission from. >> a senator. >> challenged on medicaid cuts. >> and we begin with a new attack on the judicial system from donald trump, the president now lashing, lashing out at allies and his own appointees. late last night, trump suggested that the judges who called most of his tariffs illegal, including one he appointed, were backroom hustlers trying to, quote, destroy our nation. he even went after the powerful conservative legal group, the federalist society, and one of its leaders, leonard leo, who, by the way, helped him choose nominees for the bench during

his first term, calling them, calling leo a real sleazebag who probably hates america. now, folks, this is new evidence that trump doesn't want conservative judges. he wants trump judges who will do whatever he wants them to do. here's the president earlier today. >> well, look, it wasn't meant to be that way. if you look at the founders, the president had certain powers and you have your three groups, and they all had supposed to be equal, pretty equal powers. but you can't have a judge in boston running foreign policy in places all over the country because he is a he's got a liberal bent or he's a radical left person. that's what the executive branch is for. and you have checks and balances. >> okay. joining us now are lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent, and basil smikle, democratic strategist and msnbc political analyst.

>> so lisa rubin. >> what does. >> it. >> mean for the rule of. law if all he wants. >> are judges who are trump loyalists, if. >> that is the. >> only criteria. >> even if that's. >> the only criteria. >> alicia, that's not what he's getting. and that's where this temper. >> tantrum comes from. so like on the surface, this is a temper tantrum about that judge on the court of international trade who didn't side with him on tariffs. but it's like the same way that i yell at my husband for not loading the dishwasher. and we get into a fight and it's really not about the dishwasher. it's about the socks that he didn't pick up four days before and the days before that and the days before that. what trump is really upset about are all of the other judges that he has nominated who have not been loyal to his agenda, particularly in the immigration context today? in that clip that you guys were showing, he was getting upset about a judge in boston and an immigration case that resulted in the deportation of six men to south sudan. that judge is not a judge that he nominated, but there are multiple other judges who were his nominees, who have definitely not been on board

with his invocation of the alien enemies act, for example. and that's like what pushed trump over the edge. it's not about timothy reef, who's this judge on the court of international trade. it's about feeling like the federalist society betrayed him. and members of the federalist society are not transactionally performing for him. and donald trump's narrow view of what it means to be in a relationship with him. right. i appoint you and you do the things i think you should do, and that's not how it's working out in practice. >> you know one thing about all of this, it's not just the rant and tirade against the federalist society. trump blowing past the fact that, you know, three of his judges on the supreme court came out of that recommendation. and so all of that noise is crazy. but it's also what he's saying generally about the legal system and his ability and desire to control it. you have reuters noting, you know, unfortunately, the aba no

longer functions as a fair arbiter of nominee's qualifications, and his ratings invariably in demonstrably favor nominees put forth by democratic administrations. that, quote, coming from ag, pam bondi, that's at the core of it. so it's not just what we see when they're writing about the aba, for example, but it's now even going to the more conservative ranks of judicial selections to show and to actually prove the point that trump really is only interested in people who will write the opinions that he wants, period. >> well, that's right. and i take. >> lisa's point. >> earlier because he has a very narrow view. >> of what it is. >> to be. >> president of united states. but the problem with having. >> such a narrow view is that he. >> has. access to a. >> lot. >> of stuff, right? a lot, you know. >> he has. >> access to bureaucracy in a military. >> and, and. >> people who will do pretty

much anything. >> that he wants to do, even in the pardons. what was that quote that this. is we. got to protect maga maga zone, right. >> like everything is. >> about him and everything is. his under his sort of personal control, except. for a good chunk of the judiciary. and that's what makes him angry. that's what makes him lash out. and actually, it's important to kind of understand the federalist society here, because for decades they have been doing the work. of advising conservatives about judges and who they are, and, you know, and getting them into the court. i go to senator sheldon whitehouse comments from back in 2019. he talked about this sort of three federal, three parts of the federalist society. there's the campus debate group, which is kind of how they started. right. there's the think tank, but there's also this entity that, according to him, gets funneled with a ton of dark money to be able to fund the activities that they engage in to not only recruit, but also vet, train and get appointed these judges

across the country. so on the one hand, it's important to understand how much trump believes that the federal government is his to control and only his to control. everything coming out of dc is specifically for him and about him. but it's also important to know that the federalist society is this entity that has actually been doing this work for decades. so you have these kind of two major sort of institutions, if you will, the executive branch in the federalist society, kind of butting heads, but all for this purpose of trying to figure out what kind of judiciary should should be in america right now and what kind of cases and how should they be deciding cases for the country. >> you know, michael, you made a point. >> earlier that i'd like to bring to the. >> table about the. >> fact that. >> the federalist society to basil's. >> point, yes, they have been doing this. >> for years. >> but they have not been. you know, donald trump wants them focused on what, just him. so

they will rule. >> one specific. >> particular way. >> when potentially one of his cases. >> comes before them. >> but writ large, they. >> are looking. >> at the jurisprudence, if. >> you will, of a potential. >> judge or justice across the board so that that judge or justice would that that judge would rule across the board on, on the way that they would want them to on that issue. >> and that. >> is butting up against the to me, this. >> is a. >> this is a big deal because. >> at least. >> the federalist society is going to give you. >> some conservative people. >> to care about the law. now you got donald trump just nominating. emil bove. >> for to the federal appeals court, if. >> you will, for example. >> like who? there is. no stalwart, if you. >> will. >> it's him, stephen miller, and i guess pam bondi picking who should be justices now and judges when some of these vacancies come up. >> i think that's right. and lisa, you know, you know, we were talking about this and really focusing on the fact that one of the things that donald trump is discounting and not really taking in, putting into

focus is exactly to the point simone was making that, you know, the whether it's heritage or whether it's any other other conservative organs of the party, they want they want linear, linear, rather consistency. they want it to go from point to point to point, and they can see where those endpoints are. so when it comes to the law, it's not just, oh, we got judges who will rule the way donald trump wants them to rule. they their point has been to have judges in place who will rule on, in a conservative way, on matters of state, on matters of international affairs, etc. that's the piece that's broken with trump, is that he thinks it's just about him, whereas the, the you know, the federalist society is like we have consistently been trying to level up judges who will have have transformational rulings on the on the life and existence of the country from a conservative

perspective, not just on 1 or 2 issues, because donald trump misbehaved or overreached on on an immigration issue. >> and that's really fundamentally the difference between trump 1.0 and trump 2.0, because in the firstt society, e conservative legal agenda, sort of went hand in glove with what trump understood his priorities were going to be. but now in trump 2.0, he is unleashed. and there is no unifying legal principle anymore other than the enlargement of the executive at the cost of anything else, in order to pursue the priorities that are important to him. and that's where you're starting to see these cleavages and fractures between the federalist society, which, by the way, emil bove is a member, but also that cleavage starting to happen between the federalist society and the people who are loyal to trump. and it's not coincidental that this is all happening at the same time that the attorney general is telling people, the american bar association,

credentialing your nominees is no longer going to be a part of this. why? because what would the american bar association have to say about somebody like emil bove, who went into a federal court and said that eric adams is indictment, had to be dismissed, even though all the prosecutors who worked on that case from top to bottom, some of them were willing to resign rather than do the bidding of the trump justice department. emil bove was the principal person involved in that. he went into court himself because they couldn't get line prosecutors to be involved. no accident that then the attorney general is saying, you know what, maybe the aba doesn't need to be involved anymore. and the vetting of our judges, it's not about qualifications. it's not even about longevity or preparation for the judiciary. it's about the aba saying these are not people whose fidelity is to the rule of law. these are people whose fidelity, first and foremost, seems to be to donald trump. >> as we sit here and talk. about an absence of guardrails, i want to make sure that we get

to a story that broke a little later in the day. we are learning. >> that pbs is going to be. >> suing the trump administration. >> over their order. >> to cut funding. we're beginning. >> to see. >> a pattern of people. >> understanding that. >> the only recourse. >> is to fight back. that may seem rather obvious. >> in the case of pbs, given that their. >> livelihood is on the line, but i. i do think you are now. >> seeing sort of a critical. >> mass of voices that are pushing back. >> yeah, we are seeing that. and, you know, michael made a point and you made a point earlier that i think is something that i actually consider quite a bit, because when you look at what pbs is doing and pr and you consider the academic institutions and the law firms and kind of the decisions that they're making, some people aren't built for the fight, but some are built to endure. and what i think is happening is this sort of what should we do here? should we fight, or should we just find our way to get through this moment? right. get through these next four years? and to your point where at least the

question that you asked, i think those that have said that they want to find a way to endure, for a lot of folks that are watching, it seems too passive for where we are at this moment in our country, that more and more average people, voters are saying, you've got to fight, because if you don't fight, then what happens to the rest of us? and that's why i think for pbs, for npr, for some of the law firms, for the one minute standing ovation, for the president of harvard or the graduation, people are being rewarded for fighting back and pushing back. this is not a time to sort of appear to be, even if you're technically not passive in, in in this kind of resistance period. >> lisa rubin. >> basil smikle, thank you both so much for. >> getting us started. up next, we're going to talk with one of the state attorneys general fighting trump's tariffs. and later this hour, we're going to be joined by minnesota lieutenant governor peggy flanagan. we're watching the weeknight.

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>> donald trump announced just last hour that he is doubling tariffs. >> on steel imports. >> we are going to be imposing a 25% increase. we're going to bring it from 25% to 50%. the tariffs on steel into the united states of america. so we're bringing it up from 25%. we're

doubling it to 50%. >> this announcement comes as the white house looks for a plan b to extend trump's trade war, even if he loses his appeal to overturn a ruling that deemed most of his tariffs illegal. the conservative wall street journal editorial board called that ruling, quote, an important moment for the rule of law as much as for the economy, proving again that america doesn't have a king who can rule by decree. joining us now, oregon's attorney general, dan rayfield, he helped lead that challenge against trump's tariffs at the court of international trade. also with us, co-host of msnbc's the weekend, jonathan capehart. his brand new book, yet here i am lessons from a black man's search for home, is now a new york times best seller. congratulations on that book. >> can we can we stay on the breaking news for just a moment? because and, capehart, i'm going to go to you on this. this announcement comes the same day that it was announced by the

white house. that us that nippon, that nippon steel, nippon steel. >> a deal that was. >> blocked during the biden administration is actually going to. >> go through. >> now, i'm using this kind of terminology because. >> no paperwork. >> has been filed with the sec yet. the details are kind of murky. but the same day he's announcing he's doubling tariffs on steel, us. steel and nippon steel are apparently going to merge. us steel released a statement after this deal was announced. saying that, you know, they're praising president trump for his leadership on committing to further investments in the us, but they. >> don't. >> have a deal yet. this is just a, i guess, a framework, if you will, a verbal. >> not even a good. >> tete a tete. >> like, help me understand. you know, you've been around the block on the reporting streets when it comes to different deals that are done. am i reading this wrong? >> no. i mean, look, we all. >> know that president. trump says a lot of stuff. >> and about 90% of it is for.

>> theatrical purposes. so until. >> there you are, right. until there is. >> paper. >> until there. >> are the contracts. and we can. >> look at it and we can see it. >> that's when you. >> start taking it seriously. >> but this. >> idea of doubling. >> the tariffs on steel. >> i don't know. every time i now hear the word tariffs. >> or tariffs i, i. sort of jolt. >> because it. >> it's no good for the american economy. it's no good for the american for the. >> american consumer. >> he's there. >> in. >> front of steelworkers. >> and i'm sitting there thinking. >> wait. >> you're really announcing. >> this now? this is you. >> this is. >> going to help. >> i don't think this is going to help. >> so to that point, general, general, general rayfield, the reality is it's all about the showboating. you're standing in front of a bunch of steelworkers. you're going to tell them, hey, we're raising the tariff on on u.s. steel imports to the us on steel 50. another 25%, 50%. and everybody

applauds. but the reality of it is, to jonathan's point, that's not the reality. there's no deal here. there's the sec is not involved. they've got to create a subsidiary. they're trying to turn u.s. steel into a subsidiary of nippon. that doesn't happen in a week. as you know, when you're doing these deals, you have found in the success with your case before the trade court, you know that, you know, pushing back on trump's use of his emergency powers exposes a lot about what this is all what this all is and what it isn't. how do you assess what. and what does it say to you when you hear the president yet again on stage, going after going through what you've gone through with his administration in the trade court, hearing him, still continued this narrative about tariffs and consuming power he does not have. >> i mean, this.

>> is about. >> a reckless disregard. >> for consumers, americans, small. >> businesses. >> our economy. congress, when. >> they. >> gave the president power. and that's what. everybody's got to remember, right? congress has the sole power to set tariffs. they gave some power to the president under title 19. not absolutely not. the emergency law that he has been using. no presidents used that emergency law. and when congress passed it, there are safeguards to keep consumers protected, to keep our small businesses protected and to avoid the chaos that is rippling through our economy. he just doesn't care. he doesn't want to follow those safeguards, which is why he's doubling down in this way, in a way that four judges in this country have said, no, absolutely not. >> and you've seen, jonathan, that the whiplash that has been created, both the legal whiplash and the whiplash from within this administration, which can't seem to decide exactly where they are on these tariffs, has created instability, insecurity in the market. it strikes me. >> that you.

>> have a president who campaigned on making america. >> safe. >> on making america great. >> and yet the. >> uncertainty that has been a product of many of the choices of this administration have actually made america less safe, less. >> secure. >> and less green. >> basically is he. >> doesn't know what he's doing. >> well, what we're running into is sort of the fantasy of his campaign of we're going to make america great again, and we're going to have the fabulous economy and everything, even though we already had a fabulous economy before he he got into the white house. and now he's got all of these, these ideas, these ideas about tariffs. he has had them for decades. and he could spout off all he wanted about tariffs when he wasn't president of the united states.w feels emboldened because he's been put back in the white house after being fired from the white

house. he's just you know what? i'm going to take these theories of mine, and i'm just going to i'm just going to put them out there and let's see what happens. and what's happening is you've got the, the volatility. you've got people's for one s and retirement savings drying up. depending on what he says on any given day. you've got, you know, supply shortages of goods that are about to hit by the end of the summer and certainly by the time christmas rolls around. this is a man who is about to reap the whirlwind of this insane terrorist policy. and i, and i hesitate to use the word policy because there's no there's nothing there's no there, there. help me out here. i mean. >> i'm just ain't up there. >> there. no. there's not. and i. >> mean. >> there's no policy. and i think the attorney general could speak to this. like in the last administration, there were tariffs during the biden administration that they did that the biden administration

did put on steel. they did. they put tariffs on steel to boost american steel manufacturers. there was a policy. there was a specific timeline and a policy objective tied to it. what we're seeing now with these tariffs across the board, it has injected uncertainty is now the word of 2025 into our economy. so the consumers are feeling it. you were party to that lawsuit that went before the international trade court organ for folks that don't know has ports lots has been written locally and i mean literally locally and across and across the country about the effect of this tariff policy on ports. talk to us about what is happening in your state right now and where things stand. >> well, this is a really. >> good point. i think when you say the word tariffs, it doesn't feel personal to a lot of people. but the studies show even trump's own studies show that most of those passed down to us. they're not absorbed by these foreign businesses. and

the estimates show that it's $3,800 per household in the united states every year. i do not know a lot of people that can afford that. now, let's take it even further. we all care about our schools. we all care about health care. when states have to pay more for goods and services, that means less money for education, less money for health care. two weeks ago here in oregon, we had the economists do the revenue projections. they're down more than $700 million here in oregon. that was directly tied to the chaos in our economy and directly tied to the tariffs. that's, again, less money for schools. that's less money for the things that we all care about. again, it's not following the laws that every other president has followed in the past, which really has those safeguards for our economy in place. it's incredibly reckless and it's impacting us all, and it's going to trickle down, and we're not going to see that impact until we feel it. >> i mean, the number general, the numbers really just this is not an easy panel to silence.

and the numbers you just threw out were were. >> real, real. the whole the whole thing is real on so many levels. you have jonathan, the president today apparently in a little spat with china. >> little spat. >> little spat. >> with a little, little spat with china again. >> china. >> trump said in a news conference today that china violated a big part of the agreement we made, echoing his comments earlier in the day on the social media site. could you tell me what agreement that was? because i don't recall any of them. >> i was. >> i was sitting here. >> thinking. >> what are you talking? what are you talking about? what i. >> heard i went to the papers. i didn't see an agreement. >> oh, is this the back down from 145 to whatever. and now he's saying it's back up. back up? is that it? maybe this man is. >> who is? >> does he realize who china is? china. we've got a president who operates, what, at six hour intervals, or maybe 60 minute intervals. intervals going up against the leader of a nation

where they plan, what, by. >> centuries. >> in centuries, cycles. >> yeah. >> this is what's been so fascinating to me about his his particular fight with china. then you add on top of it how much of our foreign debt do they own? talk about ace cards. if xi jinping. >> decided to really. >> play, she really wanted to play. all he has to do is. >> call. >> that debt. >> baby, right? i want my money. trump better have my money, general. >> i've got about 30s left. but i do want to give you the last word. this was the president on. truth social about the court of international trades initial ruling. >> he said it would completely. >> destroy presidential power. your response? >> frankly, the way that they're interpreting that none of what the president can do would destroy our democracy, that is the real problem here. it was offensive to watch the trump attorneys come into court last week and say that nothing we do,

these emergency orders, the amount of tariffs we could pass 1,000% tax on maple sirup and you can't touch us. and i think that's why you have four judges in this country right now, democrats and republicans that have said, no, this doesn't go. oregon attorney general dan rayfield, thank you so much for being with us. our friend jonathan capehart, thank you. jonathan's new book, yet here i am, is out now. be sure to join jonathan eugene daniels and elise jordan on the weekend. their guests this week include congresswoman jasmine crockett and george conway. the weekend starts at 7 a.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. next, trump admits that we already knew elon musk is not going anywhere. (vo) t-mobile has an exclusive bundle musk is not going anywhere. that's ahead for customers fifty-five and up. right now, get two unlimited phone lines plus 5g home internet, for just thirty bucks each per month. all on america's largest 5g network. and with 5g home internet, set up is easy. switch today and get two unlimited phone lines plus 5g home internet for just thirty bucks each.

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>> nutrafol has a product targeted for whatever i'm going through. >> we really hate to say it, but we told you so at an event earlier today. it was billed as elon musk's farewell to the federal government. donald trump admitted what we all knew that elon musk isn't going anywhere. and while we might all get tired of talking about the billionaire, his continued presence at the white house means that he is still able to have incredible access to and influence over the president. >> many of those people, elon, are staying behind, so they're not leaving, and elon is really not leaving. he's going to be back and forth. i think i have a feeling it's his baby, and i think he's going to be doing a lot of things. >> the doge team will only grow stronger over time. the doge influence will only grow

stronger. it's i liken it to sort of buddhism. it's like a way of life. >> it's like a way of life. unless you're paying attention to what is happening. over in the us house of representatives now, the us senate and the bill that they are putting together, which would actually balloon the deficit. >> not cut all of these. >> funds the way he wants to. >> i keep going to what our good friend simone has been saying for the last 24 to 36 hours that all this hoopla around elon musk, all of this crazy around the resolute desk, standing there again in his in his disrespectful outfit with his hat on his head in the oval office. the bottom line is, yes, they admit he's not going anywhere. and they laid it out to you yet again, folks, that he's walking out of the building, but the computers he installed are still there. the people he's got operating, those computers that still mining your data, they're still there. so all of this stuff in the in the

media acting like this is some event that somehow this things are now going to be different, the things are going to change. would you all grow up and understand exactly what is playing out in front of you, because they're telling you the story? you want to write something else? >> yeah. you know, i just the servers, they didn't unplug any of the computers. they did not reroute the servers. to our knowledge, i think it is incumbent upon the elected officials and particularly the democratic elected officials in congress, because the republicans don't seem to care to ask the questions about this. they love to write a letter. write a letter. dang it, about the data. where is the data going? who owns the server? where is the information being housed, and what are they doing with it? so what. >> are their plans amidst all. >> of this? >> you have new reporting today from the new york times. i'm going to read it to you. as elon. musk became one of donald trump's closest allies last. >> year. leading raucous. >> rallies and donating about $275 million to help him win the

presidency, he was also using drugs far more intensely than previously known, according to people familiar. >> with the activity. so i. >> just want to point out. the times says it's unclear if musk's drug use continued when he became a fixture at the white house. we at nbc news have not independently confirmed this reporting, and when asked about this report, a white house spokesman issued a statement. >> but. >> declined to comment on mr. musk's drug use. >> you know that that's going to get ferreted out a little bit more and we're going to learn more about that, and there will be people who will come forward in his universe and other universes in washington that will speak to that. and but it does go fundamentally to a truth that, you know, we have people who are running our government who are involved in the activities of our government, who should not be there, period. >> if this were even the inklings of this report for folks to understand, to work at the white house and to even get a security clearance, let's just say you want to work at the white house. you have to answer

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also a democratic candidate for the united states senate. >> lieutenant governor, it is good to see you. if republicans are looking for a unifying message, do you think we're all going to die? is it? >> i don't think. >> that that's. >> the message. >> and, you know, certainly at some point. >> we all. >> will will walk on. but let. >> me tell you, it. >> shouldn't. >> be republican. >> senators who are trying to. kill us. i am just angry. and everyone should be. >> as someone. >> who grew. >> up having medicaid as my health care, i was a kid with really severe asthma. i'm alive today because of medicaid. >> this is. >> deeply personal to so many people across this country. and i think what is most appalling is that, you know. >> these cuts to. medicaid are. >> simply to pay for tax. breaks for trump and. >> his billionaire besties. it's ridiculous. >> and folks, regardless of your political. >> party should affiliation.

should be incensed. >> you know, lieutenant governor, there is reporting that the budget bill would gut green investments that brought about $100 billion. that's billion with a b to minnesota's from today. it says, quote, canada company, a maker of panels and other components of solar energy systems, said it's holding off on its decision to build a new plant in minnesota until the fate of the tax credits is clear, there are real implications from medicaid to jobs that come with this budget bill. >> that's absolutely right. and i think, you know what republicans are missing in this moment. >> is that. >> it's not. >> just spreadsheets. >> and facts and figures. it's real people. those are real jobs for minnesotans in northern minnesota that's. >> keeping food. >> on the table, that's paying for your rent. it's paying your mortgage. all of this in exchange, you know, for folks who do not need additional

dollars, they are taking money from our pockets to line their own. and let's be. >> clear, this. economy is already rigged. >> but to put on top of that, this, you know, big and i'll just call. >> it. >> a big bad bill that is going to. seriously hurt people at additional unpredictability to. >> businesses both. >> large and small. we shouldn't stand for it, and we should be doing everything possible to push back in this moment. >> so i would like to serve up a combo meal for you, because i think you're running for the united states senate. so i want to share two, two thoughts with you. the first is a poll about how voters view the gop budget bill, adding to the national debt. 90% of democrats are concerned about that. 83% of independents are concerned about that. but the number to circle is 78% of republicans are concerned about the gop budget bill adding to the national

debt. you take that and you juxtapose it against what the minnesota star tribune is writing about right now, particularly with respect to the impact on farmers, noting, quote, for the more than 500,000 small businesses in the state, the u.s. initiated trade war has upended supply chains and for many, sent the cost of importing chinese goods skyrocketing. as a candidate for the us senate, having served and continuing to serve at the moment as the lieutenant governor of the state. how do you crystallize this a for your campaign in a way that you can express it with clarity to the people you hope to elect you when you when this election time rolls around? >> well. >> i'd say this. >> what those numbers. >> tell me. >> is that we have. >> to be. >> really clear. it's literally. >> all of. >> us against extremist billionaires. there are. things that. >> we. might not agree on everything, but we can agree on that.

>> these tariffs. >> and the impacts on farmers. >> in the. >> state, the trump administration is just. basically giving a huge middle finger to farmers all across the state. and folks that i'm talking to, they're worried, they're scared, and they know, right, that the margins. >> for making. >> a profit as a farmer are already hard. the unpredictability there. but when we know as the third largest, you know, exporter of soybeans. in this state. >> now china is. looking to brazil. >> that could be permanent for folks. so as we are. >> on this. >> roller coaster of tariffs and unpredictability, some of these impacts could be permanent. and so we need to make sure that we're talking to folks in in every place in space, farmers, small business owners, folks who just, you know, frankly, want to. >> just be able to take. care of themselves. >> and their families. >> and to just know this is deeply personal. >> for people and that democrats, you know, we're going. >> to have their back.

>> we're going. >> to push back, but. >> we're also going to tell folks what we're fighting for. we're fighting for access to healthcare. we're fighting to make sure that we. >> can make additional. >> investments in housing so we can go big so that people can go home, that people. >> should be. >> able to afford their lives. >> and that's. >> what we're all about. and as someone you know who grew. >> up feeling like the bottom could fall out at. >> any moment, we need more people. >> with that lived experience in washington so that the kind of wild things that folks like joni ernst are saying in this moment become. unacceptable because people have lived it and they. >> are going to fight for working folks. >> and if people are interested in joining that fight, they can visit. peggy flanagan.com. >> one of the reasons we're always interested in talking with governors and lieutenant governors is because they're decisions that are being made right now on capitol hill that. ultimately will. >> show up at your. >> doorstep, and. there's not. always proper recourse. >> for executives. in states to actually contend with. >> the uncertainty that's. >> being created. >> by this administration by. >> way of their tariffs and other policies, the. >> lack of social.

>> safety net, the cuts. >> to social safety. >> net that we. >> would see should. >> this. >> bill, in almost any iteration or form, actually make its way through the senate. >> what recourse. >> do you. >> feel you have. >> in your current position. >> as a state executive to. >> to push back, to fight back, to fill in the gap. >> when all of a. >> sudden you have residents who once relied on medicaid, who can no longer. >> i mean, the reality is, is that the state can't make up the difference. and one of the things that's so difficult about it in this moment is, you know, as a leader, as a as someone in executive office, i want to be able to tell folks it's going to be okay, we can't do that right. >> now. >> but we can absolutely say. >> we are in. >> this with. you and we will fight back. we will push back, but we also are going to make sure that we are telling the stories of real people who are impacted. >> i have the honor. >> of traveling all across the state and meeting people, and one of the folks that i met was

chris and her son, bentley. chris is this incredible mom, and bentley is an amazing kid who relies on medicaid for his health care. and, you know, i know all chris wants to do is to be a good mom and make sure that bentley has everything that he needs. chris is a mama bear. i am a mama bear. i am going to fight back. but it's also, quite candidly, one of the reasons you know why i am running for the u.s. senate, to make sure that there are people in positions of decision making power who can say, i know what this is like. i have lived this and we need more people with that lived experience in washington. we're going to do what we can here, but we're not going to be able to fill all the gaps. and frankly, we have to be very clear that republicans in congress are causing this. right now. we have two amazing senators who represent us in minnesota, and we need folks across the country to also be spreading this message that this big, bad bill that was passed by the republican congress, that we

have to make sure that we are organizing across this country to fight back, to ensure that these devastating cuts that will come, or the fact that folks think people are disposable, it's not right, it's not okay, and we're going to do more. >> lieutenant governor. and the moments that we have left this administration has really waged war, if you will, on what they call dei, which is which. i don't know how they would describe it, but it's anybody that's not that doesn't fit. peg says description, frankly. and one of the companies that has been that, you know, has been caught up in the crosshairs of this because of the decisions that they made, is target. target is headquartered in your state of minnesota. i'm just wondering, as you're out there on the campaign trail talking to folks, but also as you're rolling, lieutenant, as lieutenant governor, what are you saying to business leaders about this moment? because i, you know, target their bottom line is suffering right now. other companies who have capitulated, whether they're

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