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>> people are not. well, we all are going to die. >> tonight. >> the latest evidence. >> of a growing. >> resistance. >> then. >> by the way, isn't this incredible? i love the gold in the ceiling. >> that's 24 karat gold. and everybody loved it. and now they all see it. >> stunning new reporting. >> from the new york. times about what elon musk was up to on the campaign trail. >> that new york times, let's move on. >> plus. >> jacob soboroff on the fight. >> to. >> save fema from donald. >> trump ahead. >> of. >> hurricane season. and new updates. >> and. >> new errors in rfk jr. s big maha report. >> is it a. >> guy that's used to put together these reports now? >> i can't speak to that. >> but all in starts. >> right now. >> good evening from new york. >> i'm chris hayes. you know, the more people find out about what trump's been calling the. >> big beautiful. >> bill. the less they like it.

and it seems every time. >> a republican member of congress meets. >> with their own voters, they get more than an earful. >> that's because. >> all across the country. >> both. >> in blue states and red states, there are millions of voters. >> fed up. >> with trump's attempts to subvert american. >> democracy and the rule of law. >> as well as. >> his wildly. >> unpopular legislative agenda. now, the core of. >> the what you. >> might call big. >> bad bill. >> is a. >> scheme to. >> gut medicaid. >> the actual bill. plus, republicans refusing to renew expiring tax. >> credits could kick nearly. >> 14 million. >> people off their health insurance, according to the nonpartisan congressional budget office, currently run by a republican appointee that the republicans have been slagging, of course. now. >> all of that. >> would. >> pay for tax cuts. >> for the very. >> wealthy and. >> big corporations. >> and don't forget people inheriting estates of $20 million. important. >> they get one too. >> along the way. >> it is possible this also might trigger $500 billion in additional cuts to medicare. >> okay. all of that is very, very unpopular. people don't. >> like it. >> republicans know this and

don't want to defend the bill. >> so most of. >> them are either hiding from their constituents or lying to them about what the bill does, or both. and the small group of republicans who are actually. facing the people. >> they are elected to represent. >> like i said. getting a real earful. we've been tracking these town halls in the house, but today. >> it was. republican senator. joni ernst of iowa's turn. >> she faced. her constituents at a town hall. >> she. >> held at 730 in. the morning. >> so when we're talking about the corrections in this reconciliation bill, again, it's corrections of overpayments and people that have not been eligible for these programs by law, as it is currently written. so when you are arguing, when you are arguing about illegals that are receiving medicaid benefits, 1.4 million 1.4 they're not they are not eligible. so they will be coming off. so we people are not well,

we all are going to die. so for heaven's sakes, for heaven's sakes, folks. okay. no, but but won't what you don't want to do is listen to me when i say that we are going to focus on those that are most vulnerable, those that meet the eligibility requirements for medicaid. we will protect. we will protect them. >> just to be clear. >> there's like. >> 10 million plus. >> american citizens that are going to be kicked off medicaid. according to the cbo's own estimates, again run by a republican currently. now, i suppose. >> the best thing that could be said about. that response. >> from. >> joni. >> ernst. we're. >> all going to die. >> is that it is, i suppose, a refreshingly honest articulation of. >> what i. >> would. >> say is a kind of. >> a core republican. >> ethos. >> at least when it comes to

policy making for the. >> poor and vulnerable. >> it's an ethos. >> we have seen time and time again, particularly remember during. >> the covid pandemic. >> you saw a fair amount of. republican members. >> at the time. >> saying, you know, we're all going to die. >> as you might expect, a reception for the senator's answer has not been glowing. immediately made. >> headlines both locally in iowa and across the nation. democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts tagged ernst's words as the republicans new pitch for their bill, while senator tina smith of minnesota quipped, quote, i thought my job as senator was to try to keep my constituents alive. >> having said. >> all that, this. >> is a. >> 1000 page bill. >> there's a lot more wildly. >> destructive stuff that's. >> hiding in there that's flying under. >> the radar. we're going to. >> cover some of it as this. >> goes on. >> one example. >> is a very, very small but. >> dangerous provision that is meant. to aid donald. >> trump's assault on the federal judiciary. the only one of. >> the three. >> branches of government. >> providing any semblance of oversight. >> to his reckless and often illegal agenda. now. >> the provision that the house

republicans. >> put in the bill could allow him. >> to skirt federal contempt. orders things that his department of justice. >> has been flirting with basically day in and day out. this week, voters. >> tried to make republican. congressman mike flood. >> of nebraska. answer for that. >> i do not. >> agree with. >> that. >> section that was added to that bill. >> this provision was. >> unknown to me. >> when i voted for the bill. >> this morning. senator ernst was. >> also made to answer for it. >> as i'm sure you're aware. >> but apparently many of the representatives. >> were not aware at the time. nestled within the thousand pages. of this bill was. >> a small clause which. >> for the first. >> time in our nation's. >> history, in fact, effectively. prohibits federal courts from enforcing contempt orders. >> so, ma'am, my question. my question. >> for. >> you today. >> is will. >> you pledge to us, our constituents, who you serve. >> that you will not vote for this bill. >> or any. >> other. >> bill that.

>> contains this poisonous provision? >> okay. and thank you. thank you for clarifying. so one thing that i will explain, because we have a lot of subject matter experts here in the room, is that the house has written one version of a bill. the senate is taking up our own version of the bill. the two will be married together at some point. there is a rule called the byrd rule. silence. so the byrd rule states that anything that goes into our package in the senate, it can't be policy. it can't be policy. it has to be focused on mandatory spending. i don't know anything about that provision that talks about mandatory spending or revenues. >> now, i just got to say something. real quick in. >> that i think a little condescending. >> lecture to. >> our own constituents. the

byrd rule is enforced by the senate parliamentarian. >> who the senate republican majority just completely overrode last week to take out california's electric car vehicle regulations. there's no reason to think they're going to listen to the parliamentarian this time. and you may have noticed the senator's answer was about process rather than the actual. substance of the provision. >> there's been. >> this debate, i think. >> in our political. >> discourse, and. >> i myself. >> go back and forth. about basically how much democracy is some abstract principle in the us constitutional. >> order that people. >> are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. or is it something that everyday real people actually care about and can rally behind? and here's the thing i want to leave you with. there are people who got up this morning at the crack of. dawn in red. iowa state with republican representation, went for the trump. >> for trump. >> to go talk to their senator, doing everything they can as informed citizens because they do believe in this country's

constitutional order and they are trying to protect it. and i think there are more of them than republicans are betting on. >> congressman jamie. >> raskin, a democrat. >> of. >> maryland. >> the ranking member of the house judiciary committee. and he joins. me now. >> am i going to lose that bet, congressman? >> well, look, they've really done it this time because the power of courts to hold people in contempt is an inherent power of the court. so it's unconstitutional to try to strip that away. i mean, go back and read marbury versus madison, which says there's no right without a remedy, and there's no remedy unless the court can enforce its orders. so now facing 170 preliminary injunctions and temporary restraining orders against this reign of terror and lawlessness across the federal government, the trump administration can only think to try to strip the courts of their power to coerce

compliance with their orders. and so that's why they've tucked that in there. and it's got to come out or it will be struck down. it must be struck down because it's an attempt essentially to decapitate the judicial branch of government. >> how much? you know, this is a thousand page bill. and these the way these bills work, particularly in the era. >> of the. >> sort of overuse of the filibuster, whereby reconciliation becomes a kind of like the one shot that a majority gets, everything gets put in that bill, and it, you know, it gets filtered through committees and their staff working on it. it's not just completely random, but, you know, there's stuff that not everyone in leadership or rank and file know about. like how intentional do you see this provision, which has been, you know, called to the attention of these republican members who in some cases don't seem to realize that it was in their. >> well, look, on the house side, nothing has been more important to the republicans on the house judiciary committee

than this provision. they obviously got their marching orders from donald trump's white house lawyers. they tried this as a bill. they've been pushing this for a long time for jodi ernst or anybody else, to feign ignorance about it is absurd unless they're just not paying attention to what's going on. it's very clear that from donald trump on down, they are attacking the judges. they want to impeach the judges. we have republican colleagues who have wanted posters up outside of their offices in the cannon house office building saying wanted with the judges up. there are a number of them are republican appointed judges like judge boasberg, who might be the most reviled of the judges for the freedom caucus. he's a republican appointee. bush appointed him to the court when he first got on it. he's a pillar of the conservative legal establishment, but he's a stickler for the rule of law. and anybody who stands up for the rule of law gets in their way, because this is a gangster

state. and, you know, i just hope people begin to understand this is not basically a legitimate government that is sometimes doing corrupt things. this is an essentially corrupt enterprise. it's like watching the sopranos every day. they get up and they try to figure out how to plunder and pillage the people and the government. fisc. that's what it's all about. and, you know, people are starting to see that in very specific ways. specific cases like justin sun, who was, you know, the top donor to trump's, you know, fraudulent foray into bitcoin, his special meme coin. this guy was facing all kinds of sec charges. and then he buys $75 million into trump's, one of trump's crypto ventures. and what do you know the sec. the sec charges are dropped and they've dropped 13 different sec investigations in the crypto field. and they've disbanded the crypto unit in the

department of justice. so it is a gangster state that they are pushing. the criminals at this point are basically in charge of every department and agency. one of the. >> one of the one. >> of the other provisions that there's been discussion of in terms of the independence of the judiciary, is them taking back their own security, because right now it's in the marshals service, which is under the executive answers the president. and there's now genuine fear, i think, warranted among judges, federal judges, that they cannot rely on an outfit essentially directed by donald trump for their own personal security. >> well, the vilification and the demonization of these judges comes at a time when there are rising death threats and violent threats being made not just against federal judges, but against their families, too. justice amy coney barrett's sister got a death threat sent to her. a bunch of the justices

and judges have received pizzas sent to their home, which is a thinly veiled warning that we know where you are and where your family lives. and so this question of security is essential. one of the key things that we've got to do in congress is to guarantee the physical security of the judges, so we can have the independence of the judicial branch. without independence of the judges. we don't have the rule of law, and we can't enforce the constitution against this parade of lawlessness. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you, sir. >> you bet. >> donald trump's attack on the judiciary did not end with this bill. he's now going after his own judges. once he appointed and the right wing federalist society, which effectively hand-picked almost all of trump's judicial appointments the first time around. in a lengthy screed on social media last night, the president said he was disappointed in the federalist society for giving him bad advice. he called the society's chairman, leonard leo, quote, a real sleazebag and a

bad person. george conway, a conservative attorney who has a lengthy history with the federalist society. he's the host of the bulwarks. george conway explains it all podcast, and he joins me now. george, i feel like you've got good insight into this. and one of the points i saw you make was that his anger at the federalist society or leonard lear, predates what's happening now that it's been simmering for a long time. and you said it goes back to 2020. yeah, it absolutely. >> goes back. >> to 2020. he was very angry at in 2020 because the justices that he appointed to the supreme court, at the suggestion. of leonard leo and his former and. >> trump's former white house counsel. >> don mcgahn, both members of the federalist society. were members of the federalist society who failed. >> to step. >> in to assist. >> him in his. >> coup attempt. >> the people at the justice. >> department, everybody except. >> for that. >> one hack, jeffrey clark, who stood. >> up to trump and. >> said. we're going to resign en masse if you try to make us

do something to support your insurrection, your attempt to stay in in office. they were basically. >> members of the conservative. >> legal establishment, if. >> not members of the federalist. >> society themselves. so he became. >> very, very resentful. >> in 2021. >> at leonard leo and at the federalist society. >> and the. >> great irony of that today is that. >> a lot of. >> people, a. >> lot of hacks. >> right wing hacks join the federalist society in these past. several years thinking this is the way to get a job. >> a plum. >> job, and then next trump administration or or to get a judgeship. and they they they made a mistake there. they trump. trump does not like the federalist society because. it you know, actually the federalist society is kind of a diverse group of conservatives always was kind of like the legal equivalent of the reagan tripod with with economic conservatives, defense conservatives and religious

conservatives. >> it was a. >> mix of a bunch of things libertarians, people like me who believe in strongly in the rule of law and are conservative in the way they interpret the constitution. and, you know, people like amy coney barrett, who the right now, who. >> the trump is really. >> hate now. >> because she's voting. >> you know, for to. apply the. >> due process clause. >> to all. people and not just citizens of the united states. >> yeah. i mean, one of the things, i mean, one of the things we're seeing this time around, right, is trump is doing things that are so flagrantly lawless, just so sort of facially wrong, that that particularly the lower court level district courts, there's not really just a lot of room for the judge to even really apply much ideology. like you have broken the law. the law doesn't do it. and what he wants is he just wants made men and women men more. and you made this point that i thought was so interesting because one of the great weird things about the first part of this term for trump is an absence of judicial

nominees. and you you sort of connected these dots about why you think that's the case and what it has to do with his beef with leonard. leo. yeah. >> it's a bit of a theory, and the theory needs to be proven out. i think reporters can do it. it's like theoretical physics. and then you have to test the proposition. but i think part of the reason why we're seeing so few judicial appointments thus far, as opposed to the flood that leonard leo and don mcgahn gave us eight years ago, is that most of the people who are in the conservative legal establishment, who are qualified to become judges, whether or not you like them or not, right. they're not qualified to trump because they haven't displayed their loyalty. and if they have that federalist society credential, i think i think stephen miller said today, we're not we're not picking people from the federalist society anymore. so they don't really have a pipeline, and they really have a limited pool of people.

trump's own personal, yes, criminal lawyers. well, there are a lot of them because he committed a lot of crimes. but that's still not enough to fill the federal judiciary. and eileen cannon well, she's only one person, so you know, he doesn't he doesn't have a long list to pick from. >> no. and we've seen, you know, he's appointed personal attorneys to multiple positions in the government. alina habba is the acting u.s. attorney. he's got todd blanche. emil bove did just get a judicial appointment. but but sort of proves your point, right? like it's not enough to say you came through this pipeline. you're really conservative. all these people signed off. i need to know that when a case with me comes before you, you will rule for me that that is the bar that he wants for all these people. and there's a pretty small group of people, i think, who who are qualified to be judges, who also would sort of essentially agree to that. >> yeah. well, i'm it's a very,

very small group because hopefully most of the conservatives i know i hope so, yeah, most of the conservatives i know are actually conservative. they believe in ideas. i hope they were. and sometimes they have compromised themselves for trump. but at the end of the day, what donald trump cares about is not conservative ideology. it's not conservative legal principles. it's not interpreting the constitution, which he says he doesn't even have to enforce or doesn't think he has to enforce. it's about himself. he only cares about himself. and that's all it's about. >> george conway, thanks for your time tonight, i appreciate it. coming up after a damning new report by the new york times, elon musk's oval office times, elon musk's oval office exit interview goes —hi! —hi! ♪♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪♪

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allegations of his voracious drug use. in a lengthy article citing people familiar with his activities, the new york times reports that musk's drug consumption went well beyond occasional use. he told people he was taking so much ketamine, a powerful anesthetic, that it was affecting his bladder, a known effect of chronic use. i learned that today from new york times. didn't know that he took ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, and he traveled with a daily medication box that held about 20 pills, including ones with the markings of the stimulant adderall, according to a photo of the box in people who have seen it. the times adds that while his drug use on the campaign trail was more than occasional, it is unclear whether he was taking drugs when he became a fixture at the white house this year. now, nbc news has not independently verified the times reporting, but when nbc asked the white house if it sought drug testing for musk before his government employment began, the white house did not directly respond. musk was asked about the reporting today in the

oval, jumping in before the question was even done. >> the president mentioned that you had to deal with. >> all the. >> slings and arrows during your time at d.o.j. there's this. >> some of the people, you know, some of the media organizations in this room were the slingers. well, so. >> i there is a new york times. >> report today. >> that accuses you of. >> blurring the line. >> between the new york times. is that the same publication that got a pulitzer prize for false reporting on the russiagate? is it the same organization, i think it is. i think it is. >> it is. >> but so i think that i think the judge just ruled against new york times for their lies about the russiagate hoax, and that they might have to give back that pulitzer prize, that new york times. let's move on. okay, then, next question. >> for the record, the polls are the times one has not been rescinded. and it was about the trump russia connection. a judge ruled that trump's defamation suit against the pulitzer board over awards given to coverage of russian interference in the 2016

election can proceed, but that's all. teddy schleifer covers billionaires for the times. he's covered elon musk extensively, and he joins me now. teddy, i know it was your two colleagues that put this piece out today. you've been doing a lot of reporting on musk and know him well and reported on him. i mean, i got to say it was kind of well, it was one jaw dropping revelation after another. and i just kept thinking, this guy's life seems like a lot between there are multiple custody battles over children with multiple women. there are. there seems to be, according to the times, reporting a very significant amount of drug use that even disturbed people in his life. and he's got like ten jobs, i guess. >> yeah. and then there's the black eye, chris, we can't forget. >> that, that, that, that. elon took from from one of those kids. >> apparently, you. >> know, look he. has a. >> a obviously a sprawling social life. and the reason why i think it matters for. >> for viewers or for donald

trump or for tesla or spacex shareholders, is these. >> companies are. >> really the. >> elon musk show. >> you know, as we saw with doge. >> it is the elon musk. >> show, as we see with tesla. >> you know. >> a lot of. >> people buy stock in tesla. >> because they believe in elon musk's. >> so his. personal life is. >> very much commingled. >> with his corporate life. >> and it's impossible. >> to assess. elon's ability to lead these companies. if you don't know things. >> about how many drugs. >> he is doing. >> i mean, there's also just i mean, independently reporting none of the there's a little bit of like a common sense alarm that goes off in my head about the following. this is an individual who has 5 or 6 companies. he's running right, the boring company and neuralink and tesla and spacex, and he's also running this operation at the government. he's got a video game system installed in the office that he gets in the lobby, while he's apparently taking a lot of drugs and is

managing a private life that involves like over a dozen children with multiple women, like, at a certain point, it starts to feel like, can he really be doing all this? actually? >> well, i mean, there's been some credible reporting. >> that he's not even really playing the video game. so i think that's an important, important caveat here on the on the elon musk resume. >> that could. >> be the most damaging thing i say today. but look, i mean musk. musk clearly is. >> a believer. >> that, you know, there's in the messiah complex here, right? the reason why he got involved in the trump campaign is because he believed that he could save western civilization from the problems of illegal immigration and crime, and only he can fix it. you know, he even. >> said. >> you know, that if he lost in wisconsin in that judicial race earlier this year, that american western civilization would crumble. the reason why he. >> is so overextended. >> i think, is related. to the way. he sees. his role in the world, which is if i don't

create tesla, no one's going to create tesla. if i don't create ai, no one's going to create ai. and if i don't save america from crippling deficits and debt, then donald trump is cooked. so i you know, the reason why he is, you know, in fact, having so many children based on a reporting is, is in part because of this belief that, you know, he is the type of person who should kind of continue to populate the world. so these things are not just coincidental. he is doing all these things motivated by a core belief in kind of his own power. >> there's a really interesting nugget in this reporting that that speaks to what i think is sort of a scandal, at least as alleged that mr. musk's aerospace firm, spacex, is a large government contractor. it must maintain a drug free workforce, which, by the way, is a program i have some real policy objections to. it administers random drug tests to its employees, but mr. musk has received advance warning of the tests, according to people close

to the process. spacex did not respond to questions about those warnings. that's a that's a pretty notable find in the reporting there. >> yeah, i mean, my colleagues kirsten and megan did a great job of excavating that fact. and obviously that would be true even if elon musk was not at the department of government efficiency. right? i mean, he is going to be leading going back to spacex, you know, today or tomorrow, or maybe he's already there and that you would think that if spacex read this new york times story. >> their policies. >> might change, but maybe. >> not spacex. by the way, we should say in the new budget, some of the details of which we got further today, later in the day, would likely stand to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of enormous cuts to nasa that are being proposed by donald trump as elon musk goes out the door, just one of the many obvious conflicts, probably the biggest in terms of government contracts with elon musk and the government. teddy schleifer in the new york times, thank you so much. still ahead. okay. who's

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in the government, the project he started giving a small group of unaccountable coders access to all federal data to be used for whatever purpose donald trump and the people around him choose does appear to be living

on. it's being taken up by another billionaire, the co-founder and ceo of a data analysis firm called palantir. although data analysis doesn't quite capture what they're up to, as new york times reports, the new phase of this effort is in service of an executive order calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, including the social security administration, irs and health and human services, to name a few, raising questions over whether donald trump might compile a master list of personal information on americans that could give him untold surveillance power. sheera frenkel is one of the new york times reporters behind that piece, and she joins me now. sure. this is really eye opening reporting. first, just tell us about palantir and its ceo and what they do. >> so palantir. >> started over a decade ago. by alex karp. >> one of its original founders was another. >> well-known billionaire. >> peter thiel. >> and it was started really as a data analytics company. they were. >> among the first to. >> see the federal government

as. >> a good target. >> for these data companies. and the idea was, we can come in, we can organize your data, and we can make it. >> extremely easy. for you. >> to. look through your data. >> and. >> sort of. >> draw conclusions. >> and so they were really popular. >> with. >> police departments all over the united. >> states, with. >> the fbi, with the department of homeland security, where they've been working for years, because even people that are not computer savvy, that haven't really worked with data before, can use their programs and say. >> they're sort of. >> extremely user friendly. >> yeah. so and they've had a lot of contracts with like the security apparatus of the state, you might say, has been like their kind of bread and butter. now you've got this situation where we, the data that's balkanized around the federal government is separated for a reason. and in fact, my understanding is that there's very strict laws like on the books passed by congress, signed by the president, that ring fences a bunch of it for precisely the reason, so that you cannot build some doomsday database where you just know everything about every american.

>> right. >> i mean, chris. >> so for. >> years you've had democrats that have argued that we. >> should. >> compiling be. compiling all this data. we should be eliminating. silos within the government because they wanted to be able to. distribute social. security benefits more easily, or figure out the welfare system in the united states. >> and for years. >> there's been people in the national security sphere. >> and. >> in the privacy. >> sector who have. >> said, you just can't do this. we have privacy laws in place. we have reasons we collect data for specific reasons, and it. >> would be. >> a national security nightmare in so many ways as the argument we've heard to. compile all this data in one place. so imagine if. >> you. >> are a russian hacker or chinese. >> hacker, an iranian. >> hacker, and you want to find data about americans. you currently have to go to multiple government agencies and hack into their databases to kind of compile this picture of the american life. if all that data was in one place for you, that would give you an incredibly ripe and incredibly tempting target to go after. >> right? so there's a cybersecurity reason, and then there's a privacy reason, right? you don't want all the eggs in one basket. and also, you know,

you don't want like the irs is a great example. i mean, my understanding is, you know, they've they've cycled through three commissioners, i think all picked by trump who've been fired because they refused to hand the tax database over to doge. but that, as i understand it from your reporting, that's the kind of information that palantir wants to integrate into a single database, right? >> i mean, for years. >> people have been. told to file their taxes. >> even if they're living. >> here undocumented. >> they've been told to. >> file their taxes and. >> they've been. >> told, hey, even if you're not here legally, we want you paying. taxes to the american government. you give. >> over an incredible. >> amount of personal information when you file your taxes about yourself, about your children, about extended family members, even. and so americans. >> have been assured a certain level of privacy. >> when they give that data. i want to say that i think the tax information is really interesting, and i think some americans are aware of how much they give away when they file those tax returns. as i was doing this. >> reporting. >> i sort of. >> came across all these other.

>> buckets of information where we hand over to the government. >> details of. >> our personal lives without. maybe even realizing it. >> if you are. >> a student and. >> you've ever applied for a federal. >> student loan, you have to tell the government a lot about your family life, and you've done. so under a certain. >> kind of. >> contract, an agreement. i want to get a student loan. i want to go to. a certain. university or college. and so i'm giving you this data. but now, presumably, if this goes forward, that data can be used towards a very different purpose. >> are there are there legal mechanisms that people are talking about to block this? i mean, it seems like this is ripe for a lawsuit because it does seem to maybe just run over existing law, or i wonder if there are people in congress, even maybe some republicans who are a little hinky about this. >> i've spoken to people. >> who are representing. >> there are dozens of lawyers. i'm actually struggling to keep track of the number of lawsuits that have been filed at this point against it. the problem is that our court system is slow. and lawsuits move slowly. and once data is merged, once systems are brought together and data is shared across government agencies. >> that is. >> not something that you can

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>> will respond given these recent rulings? >> hundreds of people's. >> lives are being. >> upended. >> families are being torn. >> apart. >> and more importantly, the rule of law in this country is being undermined. >> the weekend prime time. >> saturdays and sundays at six on msnbc. >> donald trump and members of his administration have been talking about getting rid of fema since just days after he started his second term. >> fema just hasn't done the job, and we're looking at the whole concept of fema. we're going to be doing something on fema that i think most people agree. i'd like to see the states take care of disasters, let the state take care of the tornadoes and the hurricanes and all of the other things that happen. >> if we're. >> going. >> to eliminate fema. >> four months later, we are seeing how they are working to do what they said eliminate the agency without a backup. even in place. with hurricane season officially kicking off on sunday, the national oceanic and atmospheric administration is predicting a higher than average

number of storms, including 3 to 5 major hurricanes. now, nbc has new reporting on the scramble inside the agency to keep fema alive ahead of hurricane season. jacob soboroff is a national political correspondent for nbc news, one of the reporters on that story. jacob, tell me what you found about what is going inside this agency. that seems to be pretty clearly targeted for destruction. yeah, that's right. >> chris. i mean, you heard what the president. >> said and. >> what. kristi noem said. that's very. >> publicly stated opposition to keeping this agency going. but i think that they realized it is fair to say that. getting rid of fema two days before hurricane season, where we are today would be a. >> very. >> very. very bad idea. and so the career professionals inside this agency who first pushed the original acting director of the federal emergency management. >> administration. >> cameron hamilton, who was promptly fired a day after he went up to the hill and said

that he ultimately believed that fema was in the best interest of the american people. now, david richardson, the new acting director of fema, to essentially put a memo in front of kristi noem that says there are over 2600 corps employees. that's the acronym they use for the people who lead the rapid response and recovery on the back end of disasters, whether it's a hurricane or a fire or any other mass casualty event, and they're basically signing these people back up. whereas two weeks ago, those people may not have been at fema or inside this agency at this point, doesn't mean they've had a full 180 and they're now supporting fema. they rejected, as you pointed out, that north carolina disaster declaration from the white house just a couple of days ago. president trump did. but some of the key functions, the core functions of this agency are going to remain in place for now. and that is because of pressure from careers inside on the political to say if something goes wrong during hurricane season, effectively. >> it will be on. >> president trump and kristi noem. >> so i don't i have to confess, i know a little bit i've reported on emergency management

disasters a bit, and i know that there's been a lot of through the years critiques of fema reforms for it. i mean, because it's such a fraught undertaking and it's such an important thing to do, and it's often very, very messy. there's lots of folks that have beefs with fema one way or the other. i don't think i quite understand why they're so obsessed with getting rid of it altogether. >> yeah, nor do the people inside. i think if you talk to people at fema, chris, they'll tell you fema is in need of reforms to the bureaucracy, the way that fema in these major disaster declarations that the president will approve, whether it was joe biden approving 100% reimbursement for the la wildfires of the north carolina hurricanes, or a bunch of them the president trump has approved over the course of just the last couple of days, and they were sort of backlogged since the beginning of the administration, perhaps yet another recognition that this agency is necessary. this happens. the formula is, is determined because of the stafford act, and it is by

statute, localities are entitled to 75% reimbursement of all of the money that they spend on these disasters by fema. anything above that, up to 90%, is determined by a formula that's in place. and if these states don't meet the formula, it's up to the discretion of the president of the united states. and there's an ongoing conversation inside fema as to what the right percentage is for states and localities to shoulder on their own, because some in the in washington, d.c, feel like it creates more efficiencies on the ground in these localities to move faster, to get the job done quicker. but doing it this way could literally bankrupt states, according to the biden administration's fema chief of staff, michael cohen, who i talked to as we reported this article, he said there are states, particularly in the south, that if they don't budget for this, if they don't put this in their state budget, if they don't take out a bond, if they don't increase tax revenue, a major disaster without the supplemental income from the federal government could actually put these states upside down entirely financially, which creates a whole nother disaster of a man made variety.

>> you report that that noem has been quietly pushing behind the scenes to keep key employees in place to approve reimbursements to states previously hit by disaster, that there was a there were a bunch, quite notably, that were just sort of getting no response. missouri, which had tornadoes, i'm not mistaken, around the saint louis metro area. josh hawley sort of like pleading with gnome in a hearing. it looks like some things have moved there. but again, i got to imagine the people inside the agency. it must be hard to do the normal work you have to do with the amount of chaos and disruption happening inside there. the analogy, that one, and it's in the story one. >> fema fema employee gave me is it's like running a relay race that you are supposed to have six people with. with four people. yes, they will make it to the finish line, but getting all the way there and doing it in a timely manner is a lot more difficult and a lot more complicated. and that's the situation the trump administration now has created for disaster response and

recovery in the united states of america. it could be a lot easier than it's going to be this hurricane season. but because of what they have done, not only to fema but to noaa, they got rid of the billion dollar disaster registry. they got rid of all kinds of these national weather service meteorologists. it's going to be a whole lot more difficult this season. >> oh well, fingers crossed here. jacob soboroff, thank you. great reporting. thanks, chris. that is all in for the week. the briefing with jen psaki starts right now. good evening jen. >> hey chris. >> jacobs reporting was so good. >> and. >> so interesting. >> and another. >> example of maybe the trump. >> administration realizing that. >> they can't just get rid of everybody who. >> provides government services. i mean, the fema fire that that. >> is. an example of that. >> i think there's been a fair amount of like, yo yo fire hire cycles in key critical places. like, remember, they tried to get rid of all the people that do the nuclear safety and they're like, oh no, no. and then they couldn't. find