highlights from your favorite shows, previews of our podcasts and documentaries, plus written perspectives from the newsmakers themselves. sign up for msnbc daily at msnbc.com. >> thank you so much for letting us into your homes. we are grateful. the beat with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. have a great show. >> nicole, i'll just say briefly to. >> you. >> i thought. the drake kendrick. >> feud was. >> bad, and i thought it. >> got ugly. >> but this is already worse. >> this is epic. i cannot wait to go watch if we're going to. if you're going to go there, i'm going to go up there. >> i'm going. >> to go there. we're going to get into it. as you've been covering it, the serious. >> and the. >> messiness of it. good to see you, nicole. >> great show. >> our thanks, nicolle wallace. as always, we will be picking up where she has left off. we are in something that is messy and intense but also matters. the explosion in what is now the clearly completely broken relationship between president trump and his. largest donor,

elon musk, who went from lording over cabinet meetings, holding that special goodbye press appearance in the oval office. remember, that was just last week to a total blowout battle today. that is riveting washington politics, huge corners of the internet, as i said, both for its messiness, pettiness, but also its stakes. now they hit new lows with musk trying to smear trump with a horrific conspiracy theory. trump blasting musk and now doing something that should never be normal. whether he's mad at musk or not, which is blatantly threatening, threatening to abuse the federal government to retaliate against it. meanwhile, tesla's stock is down today. we'll get into that, which hits musk where it hurts. what began with the tension earlier this week and musk lashing out at trump's top legislative priority but claiming that it was a policy dispute has turned petty. as i mentioned to our colleague nicole, it has turned rap beef level, petty and personal. so these two men again, who have in

one case, businesses to run, in the other case, a country obviously run, are not exactly acting like mature professionals to say the least. today they have exchanged a volley of threats and vitriol. taunts and attacks. and i'll just say something. sometimes in the news, we just sort of tell you what we're seeing and it sounds obvious. so let me put it like this. the exchange between these two men just today is actually far harsher, more negative and nasty than what we've been seeing between the two political parties for the last several weeks or months. which reminds you just how bananas this is. now, these are two men who claim to be working together towards largely the same agenda or goals as recently as last week. one of them remains a huge player in republican politics because money matters. everybody knows that in our american system, where you can donate a lot unlimited to super pacs, and he is still on record as the biggest republican donor from

last year. and that power point is one that musk cited as if anyone needs a reminder on the right, telling everyone today that trump and the gop would have lost the election last year, wouldn't, he argues, even be in power, and that he thus has leverage over republicans because of that spending? whether it's the past which he thinks he's clearly owed for, or the future where he can spend more than most candidates could ever raise, and it won't affect his bottom line. so that's the big context here was the president today. >> look, elon and i had a great relationship. i don't know if well, anymore. i was surprised, but i'm i'm very disappointed in elon. i've helped elon a lot. people leave my administration and they love us. and then at some point they miss it so badly. and some of them embrace it and some of them actually become hostile. i don't know what it is. it's sort of trump derangement syndrome, i guess

they call it. he hasn't said bad about me personally, but i'm sure that'll be next. and i'll be honest, i think he misses the place. i think he got out there and all of a sudden he wasn't in this beautiful oval office. i can understand why he's upset. remember, he was here for a long time. you saw a man who was very happy when he stood behind the oval desk. and even with the black eye, i said, do you want a little makeup? we'll get you a little makeup. but he said, no, i don't think so. which is interesting. >> i mean. >> i mean, you do have to laugh at part of it again. i will get to the serious aspects. we try to do that for you, but just the sheer petty personal aspect. trump taking a dig at the demeanor and the appearance of elon musk in their goodbye press conference, but also casting him as some kind of bitter, jilted ex-lover, and also going at musk's entire portfolio, saying that he was a self-interested cast out and he's angry at his exclusion. he's not in the beautiful building, but moreover, that, trump argues,

musk wanted to extract value from the government for himself. and you may say that's rich, pun intended, coming from donald trump and the crypto schemes, but these two people understand each other to some degree, and that's why this can also matter. now, musk punching back on the social media platform that he bought, which had been boosting the trump agenda until now, musk has over 200 million followers, many of them in the united states, and a high concentration of them on the right. he also has a site that has been caught since he took it over, boosting the reach of what he says further. so even though we talk to you here through the news and youtube, if you watch on there and other people use other platforms, nobody can doubt that the platform of x on the right over the last several months is kind of their home base, and now it has been flipped, musk undercutting the very republicans he was working with as powerless without him, and then arguing they show such

ingratitude. remember, this is elon musk on the platform he owns in a place where people have saluted or worshiped his wealth and tech acumen. these are not just empty attacks. a lot of people republicans need for the next election are reading this. musk's attacks also move even faster than, say, how democrats have been attacking donald trump. i mean, they've made many criticisms, but they have not yet floated impeachment even over potential grounds like flouting court orders or the violation alleged, allegedly of the emoluments clause. right, with taking the foreign jet. but musk doesn't waste time. he is now. tonight, we can report backing trump's impeachment. yes, he says, by reposting that call online. and both these men have used tweets and misinformation in their crusades, but usually together towards their common opponents. musk now turning those same dirty tricks back on trump today. and i want to tell you about this news without reinforcing the smear. so i'm not going to repeat it. but musk

is trying to smear his teammate with one of the worst things you can allege about someone alleging sordid crimes that people throw at opponents. now, we're not getting into the specifics, but we're not reporting this as at all. anything related to truth, just related to how these two men are beefing. and by the way, mr. musk should know, pushing that kind of claim without any evidence is the kind of thing that sometimes people sue and file defamation cases over again. he has so much money, he may be immune to that type of civil accountability. but what we are witnessing matters because something that once looked all powerful and people wondering how much musk would get away with, with his pseudo government role has now ended, this now brief alliance of alleged maga goals money in tech is dead, and trump is admitting he may attempt the same kind of allegedly unlawful retaliation he's used on on law firms he doesn't like. now against musk. remember, whatever you think of elon musk, i will tell you, the

president or any politician's political opinion of him should not affect a corrupt his government contracts. those should obviously be done fairly based on what the government needs. and if nasa needs to work with someone and they do a fair bid, great. it shouldn't come and go with politics. that's the same standards we've mentioned for other issues. well, here we see it in the civil war because trump says he could terminate musk's government subsidies and contracts. that's how to save money. a dig at the efficiency musk promised. musk's net worth has taken a huge hit this year. those are the contracts, though, that continue to supply part of his empire. and as the spending bill hangs in the balance, trump, of course, attacked musk in the press, and now he's announcing something that they didn't say last week. he's claiming he fired elon musk. different storyline. it's also we should note what some experts thought accounted for musk's anger. republican veteran bill kristol actually suggested that just this week, trump now boasting that he was the one who asked elon to leave because he

was wearing thin. those are fighting words for a billionaire who has not been publicly fired in a very long time. and then, as i told you, here's what another part that matters and that is telling the president, accusing musk of basically being in all this for himself, that it wasn't about efficiency or helping the american people. but musk was really mad he couldn't get more money out of the federal government under trump. quote, i took away his mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars. this is something that trump basically posted. and then he said it made musk go crazy, quote unquote. now that's an accusation. of course, there will be more reporting and discussion, especially with musk not coming back. more people in government tend to leak, or they share emails or they try to show what really happened. but if that is a pay for play scheme, it does undercut not only musk. if it was all about, according to trump, him just getting money for his businesses, his electric cars, not efficiency. but also

and i say this respectfully, duh. it undercuts donald trump as well, because this is the person donald trump hired and empowered to do all this stuff for all these months. so trump thinks he's dissing musk and he's pushing out these attacks in real time because it's all been quite a hectic day. but he's telling on himself, if this is, after all, his experience, his second go at the job, he's still picking people who were out here to get your tax dollars separated from you for themselves, not to help the country. as to the electric vehicle credits, well, that would of course help tesla. >> elon's upset because we took the ev mandate. and, you know, which was a lot of money for electric vehicles. and, you know, they're having a hard time the electric vehicles. and they want us to pay billions of dollars in subsidy. i'm very disappointed because elon knew the inner workings of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better than you people. he knew everything about it. he had no problem with it.

all of a sudden he had a problem. and he only developed the problem when he found out that we're going to have to cut the ev mandate, because that's billions and billions of dollars, and it really is unfair. >> really important point there. number one, there will continue to be reporting on whether that was a part or big part of why musk left separate from trump saying it. axios reported earlier this week that that was a factor, and we'll continue to track that down. but i told you we had the whole rap beef part of this and the petty part of this, this part matters completely apart from the messiness. i want you to just, hey, we take in the news together. let's take in the premise. the president just shared there that i played for you. donald trump is trying to cast himself as a whistleblower for his own administration. that's what he's saying. he's saying, let me let me tell you what really happened. this guy was just in it for the electric vehicle credits that would so enrich tesla. but the problem is, you can't be a whistleblower on yourself. certainly not when

you're the president. you're in charge. you hired this guy. and if you were so concerned that this was just tesla enrichment, why didn't you blow the whistle and fire him earlier? and the answer makes it even worse. i say this not as criticism, but as facts that make these men look bad. rich men who still want to take your taxpayer money if you keep your eyes open and notice it, because we've already seen what they did. electric vehicle credits openly trafficking in favors, self-dealing, and the kind of conflicts of interest and crony capitalism which proliferate when you don't have controls or rule of law, or, by the way, a strong free press, all the ways that you keep people accountable. because i'm saying this all to you while you see on your screen with your own eyes what we already know, these two men who are billionaires aren't content to be rich enough. they wanted to take your white house, the people's house, your tax dollars, and our attention to hawk those teslas.

>> you got. >> to give him credit. >> we want the future to look like the future. and it's kind of. >> what kind. >> of truck would the. >> blade runner drive? >> the one i like is that one. >> mr. president. >> and i want that same color. >> you buy that. >> tesla will boost tesla. >> sales and boost. >> i hope it does. look. >> look. >> i care about one thing. when somebody is a great patriot, they shouldn't be hurt. he's a great patriot i love tesla. >> he hopes it does. and any conventional system that is an admission of a problem. the government playing favorites and trying to help their people in the free market. it's something republicans and conservatives have long said they are against. the goal, then, was to sell what trump called that love and make musk money, which he admitted. now that is not okay for the federal government, period. whether it works or not, it's not okay. but the reason that these two had such an alliance

is what musk did accurately refer to today, that he wants the government to make his company even more money, that he otherwise wouldn't make in a free, competitive market. and then the government's political benefactors. they play ball and trump gets a cut of that. republicans get a cut of that. he makes more money and the donations come back to him. then there's the fact, separate from the ethics, that this didn't work, elon musk knows, and everyone who follows the markets has seen that tesla has been crashing. it's lost $152 billion in market cap after this spat its biggest hit ever. and his own musk net worth has been down a ton since january. now what i told you about all this would be a problem would be wrong for clean, honest government whether it worked or not. in other words, if he happened to make a bunch of money, it would still be bad because it's not a fair way to run your government and you, the taxpayer, will lose. but here, like so much of the other messiness, it is also

blowing up in their face. republicans know, though, that even as tesla crashes, musk does have a level of resources that makes his political spending equivalent to most people doing the give a penny, take a penny jar. if you've ever been at 7-eleven and you leave a penny there because you don't need the penny that day and you feel okay about it, sometimes you take a penny. you know how it works. that's how musk feels about dropping tens of millions of dollars in these races, and fearful house republicans are still scrambling to mollify him, the new york times reports. they've done the reporting. all these house republicans have a wariness of crossing him and the super pac that spent about 20 million to help 20 vulnerable house republican candidates know that he can turn it up, he can go away. he can turn it off, or he can turn it on them just as he's turning on the president and think about it like this. we're seeing him go after donald trump, who still has all this

power. days after things fell apart. imagine a random house republican that he's never heard of, never met, doesn't care about, thinks of as as discardable as any other politician. he's never met her. one of the many employees he's fired. those house republicans have every reason to believe that he could drop a ton of money on their head, run primary challengers, or even start the new political party that he was musing about online today. and all of those roads lead to tighter races when they barely won the house. if you're watching the news and you say, i've heard about these tremors and inflection points before, i get it. but this is one of the worst republican conservative crises that donald trump has faced in this second term. and he's facing an opponent who is well capitalized and not backing down. our experts are back on down. our experts are back on this in the itch and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it's still not under control.

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throwdown that has been already quite messy but has high stakes. your thoughts? >> yeah i mean. >> look there republicans. are in a real. >> bind here. >> if you're a republican politician. >> you have. >> to choose. >> between donald trump who. >> demands total. >> fealty. >> and your. >> biggest donor. >> who. >> has unlimited. funds that we. >> have seen again and again. the republicans. refuse to stand. >> up to trump. but will they stand up to trump because. >> they have. >> to serve elon musk? >> and i. >> think this. >> is going. >> to be a real problem for them. and i'm. >> not sure. >> there's an easy solve. >> a lot of republicans molly saw musk's entry to their side, which was not always where he was at. yeah. and his spending is something that they would benefit from and partly control. it seems now they've like invited someone in who is currently on the right, more known and popular than virtually every other donor you can think of as well. i mean, he may not be popular, as we've seen with the tesla backlash, but in the core right wing activist community, he is exactly the

kind of person who can move voters not only against trump, but against unnamed house members. >> yeah, i think it's. >> a real problem for them. and i also. >> think like, imagine. if a democratic donor had been put into the. >> intimate administration of. >> a democratic. >> president. >> given a federal job, allowed to do what he pleased. and then decided he was mad about a piece of legislation? i mean, this is you know, i think that elon is right about this bill, and a lot of republicans who voted for it have come out even like marjorie taylor greene, and said they didn't actually know what was in the bill. so elon clearly has a point. but the reason he's mad is because of his business, which is a completely not how any of the federal government is supposed to work. >> yeah. and i'm curious, libby, what you think about the. i will admit, obvious point i raised in the setup. obvious, but hopefully important to people, which is donald trump admits how

this works, goodies would also reflect poorly on the person who chose him. >> well, elon musk is. >> saying that trump and other republicans don't have enough gratitude. they're expressing such. ingratitude for all the money that he poured into their campaigns. and we're talking so much money, ari, like you said, it's like, not that much for elon musk. but he changed the race and he's taking credit for that, not just the white house race, but also so many other state and house races, federal races. and there is this, like, how could you do this to me? how could you do this to me? and the basic premise you set up is really important because there shouldn't have been a there shouldn't have been that deal making and expectation to begin with. and i had a friend text me and say, is this for real? like, is this just like showmanship? is this am i watching like wrestling or something? but let's look at the real implications here. musk's net

worth has gone down today. tesla's stock has plunged. like you said. they're down like 14%. even trump's like vanity project. his media and tech company djt, that went down because of all these accusations that musk is throwing around. so we're talking real money. but musk is also threatening to pull the dragon capsule, which gets astronauts to space and back to the international space station. what are we going to, like? leave him there again. and then you think about all that he's done in the federal government. you know, i'm based here in washington, and we are going to see the, the ripple effects of so much slash and burn and what he was allowed to come into the government and do all the way from, you know, across the street here in washington to around the world where, you know, usaid has been totally stopped and its mission. so all of this fighting, i mean, it's so fascinating because they are these two huge personalities, but what they are doing has such real world implications for all of us. >> absolutely. and i totally get i appreciate you mentioning, you know, folks asking that we live

in a world where you put something online in the first comment sometimes is, is this real? which is a fair question for a lot of this. our jobs, molly, of course, is to try to be fair and follow the evidence and show people which part is real. some of it is, of course, also crap, because the nature of the attacks from musk seem to be picked for maximum impact and trolling a world he understands as a tech expert. right? but in a in a clickbait expert, i mean, he knows what's on the back end of x. he knows that if you throw in a conspiracy theory or a certain thing, it moves farther. we're not saying when he says, yes, impeach trump that in two weeks he'll still be on that crusade or meeting with house members who want to. right? so there's a mix of the bs, but then there's the real part. and that also goes to the retaliation. far be it from me to help people decide when to take donald trump's retaliation seriously. if you didn't stand up here, there or there, wall street has learned. but others may be learning. steve bannon's

reaction today was don't just go after the contracts, which trump said he said they should initiate, quote, an investigation of musk's immigration status. i'm of the strong belief that he's an illegal alien and he should be deported from the country immediately, bannon said in a phone interview. now, i will report on that effort the same way i've reported on every other effort, which has nothing to do with how you feel about the person. the abuse of deportation powers in that way is wrong and might be unlawful, depending on the on the status. but what does it tell you that these tools can be flipped right up against people who were in the oval office last week? >> yeah. no, i mean, look, as the granddaughter of someone who was jailed by mccarthy during, you know, the house un-american activities, america has a long and storied history of people in the government using it for bad ends. and, you know, trump and elon may be having a fight, and it may have huge consequences for the rest of us, but we never want to see people in power use the government this way, and it

doesn't matter who it's on. right? >> yeah. and it is serious. so it's a reminder and this is what the wall street people learned. you can go along with trump up to here. but if you don't go all the way right, you could be his biggest donor and this will be pushed. and i'm not suggesting there's any basis. elon has plenty of lawyers to deal with this kind of thing, and we don't have any reason to believe he has an immigration status issue. but it's a headache, just like it was for comey. some of these things aren't designed to necessarily work. they're designed to put a cloud up upon you. and if you're a maga republican, you might not have the same resources. so it is it's i know that you're constantly and i don't mind when you do it constantly quoting jay-z. >> oh yeah, all the time. >> and he said the same sword that nights you can be the sword that good nights you. >> oh, it's a good quote. >> well, musk thought these swords were for him and now he's seeing them turned on him. and we'll see how he responds as well to that. molly and libby, thank you both. >> thank you so much. great quote ari. >> thank you. good to see you guys coming up. maga did empower

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other. all kinds of things. remember trump and many of the maga figures who have kind of become a different vector of power on the right, different from the old line. republican party leaders were convinced that musk would be a long term help. not like 100 days, but like years. and they felt that way, especially when he came and not only bought this big tech platform, but announced he was more or less trying to move it to the right, make it more friendly, help republicans. they thought this would be a long term boost when musk bought x. >> for once. >> this isn't about power and money. musk is doing it to save free speech. >> it's not an. overstatement to say it. >> could. >> be the single most important development for free speech in the modern. >> history of. >> the. united states. >> this is a guy who's. >> made a lot of money. >> he's been very successful, loves. >> this country and the freedoms. >> it affords. >> the first thing he's going to do is establish free. speech

there. >> free speech was a code word for turning that platform more to the right. some people knew that at the time. some people took longer to see it. there's no question now. it's been documented, nonpartisan studies. a lot of folks have left the platform over that. others have stayed. and remember, it is perfectly legal to be misleading about your business goals and turn a platform to the right or left. you could also buy a newspaper and do that. the difference today is whether he did that or not. republicans thought this would help them for years to come, and it's blowing up in their face, and they're being signal boosted with a very powerful, very rich leader telling literally millions of right leaning consumers, younger voters, people who use x, that the leadership from trump on down is crooked and in trump's case, should be impeached. that's what musk finished the day with. for this rather intricate point, we are joined by political strategist, veteran of several democratic campaigns, including obama's and someone who i should remind viewers

spoke, i think, quite incisively about both the hypocrisy and the risks of x under musk months ago. open season start where you want tonight, jay. >> yeah, i mean. >> i think that if. >> you look at what. >> has happened. >> between trump. >> and musk, it reminds. >> me what. aristotle said about oligarchy. >> he believed. >> oligarchies were the. >> most were. >> among the most. >> unstable forms of government because. >> they were unstable. >> from within. >> ultimately, the oligarchs will fight. >> against each other. >> and what aristotle understood. >> was. >> is. >> that to become. >> an. >> oligarch. >> you need. >> to be ruthless. >> in your pursuit of wealth. power and self-interest. >> and once you get into government, you just. >> can't turn that. >> switch off, right? it is in the dna of the oligarchs to fight. >> with. >> one another, to compete with one another. and that ultimately. >> has happened. >> that ultimately happened in ancient times. >> it is also now.

>> happened here. >> and happening fast. it's not like musk stuck to the bill, which was sort of his opening foray, or even just trump, who has closed the circle on the criticism by saying that musk was basically a grifter. how rich are you if you need preferential treatment before you go out and compete in the market? right. most free market fundamentalists and economists say that's that's exactly the opposite of how this should work. but then on top of that, he's going after the rest of the republicans today. so for folks who haven't been glued to x all day, i'll show you. basically, he goes after the speaker, johnson. he goes after a top senate leader, john thune, sharing posts. i'll put this up where they had previously talked about these issues, the deficit and the debt and name checking them. where's the johnson 23? where's the thune? this in politics is known as a personal or hypocritical attack. he's not just saying we disagree about this deficit spend. he's saying these are hypocrites you cannot trust. and he's saying it to an audience, especially of the

future of the republican party, voters under 40 on the right who are more inclined. shea, i should ask you, are they more inclined to believe musk and those criticisms than these suited beltway republicans? >> well, they're definitely. >> more inclined to. >> believe musk. >> musk has a huge communication system. >> both, i. >> would say with twitter, but also. >> with joe rogan. >> if you watch the. >> bono's appearance on the. >> joe rogan experience recently. >> where rogan. >> was claiming. >> that usaid was a fraud. >> and bono, who has. >> worked with this agency. >> across many continents. >> said that. >> is. >> not the case. >> rogan just stood. with musk. in pushing that line. so musk has a tremendous platform. he has a tremendous megaphone here that makes this tremendously. >> risky for the. >> republican party. >> to be going. >> against him. but the problem is, is that musk really. believed that thune and johnson worked for him. the problem is that thune and johnson work for trump. that's something that elon musk. >> simply did.

>> not understand. >> he's also amusing about something that is notoriously difficult to do, partly because of the way our our patchwork state laws work and other things we don't even have to get into tonight. but it certainly hurts the party that's under pressure when you talk about a third party. democrats have lived that. i think viewers remember that and can go all the way back to nader. here is elon musk, who has the money to do more today. newsweek covering how he put it on on x, he asked, is his time to create a new political party, and it's coming out of the feud. where does that fit in? che if he is angry enough to want to make a point and funding a party or funding these primary races to hurt republicans, not necessarily to get 51%. >> well, you know, the old movie tagline this time it's personal. well, this time it's really personal between trump and musk. musk knows that if he were to actually do a third party. >> it would do nothing.

>> but help democrats. >> because he would actually be taking away from. >> a lot of the voters. >> who had previously. >> supported trump. >> and musk knows that, and he knows that he can hurt trump. he can take him down. >> but his. >> ability to put himself in power that i'm a lot more skeptical about, you know, there's. there's the fact that elon musk has absolutely no rea. and he's also a. >> really bad judge. >> of who would make a good candidate, jd vance, the vice president who struggled to buy some donuts on the campaign trail just last year, you know, so i wouldn't really put a lot of money on elon musk's success with this third party. but i do think it would. be a good proposition that he would hurt trump. >> what do you think? finally, jay, about the consequences. we're living in a time where people feel sometimes like there are almost no consequences. and as someone who follows the evidence and reports the

stories, i kind of have the opposite reaction. and i could be wrong. it could be the outlier here. but watching this story, these are some of the fastest real world consequences for someone that we've seen in the modern era. in other words, how it affected musk's brand's customer base, which he cares about with tesla perceptions in real world areas where he he has much power money, but has to deal with stakeholders boards. the new york times reporting on alleged drug use, which which he has denied. we have seen relatively quickly and under, you know, under half a year, a comeuppance. and it may not be done, as there was reports that one of the cryptocurrencies that he named his efficiency office after also crashing today, and he previously had said he owns a lot of that. he's lost more money because he had so much more quickly than anyone who's touched politics in decades. >> yeah. i mean, to quote taylor swift, you know, karma is a relaxing thought. and for me, looking at the comeuppance that

elon musk has gotten during this period where he made a foray into politics that has turned out to be very, very unsuccessful and a spectacular failure. it has been very, quite frankly, the term schadenfreude comes to mind as a democrat looking at it, but i am reminded of the fact that there are two very real consequences that elon musk has brought upon the american electorate. the first is with the doge rollout, which happened. right after inauguration. he really set the template for the creeping authoritarianism that we see in the country. you know, where we have people being disappeared off of streets. we have 60 minutes and cbs news being muzzled by by the by by the trump administration. we have universities also being muzzled and silenced by the trump administration. those are all things that elon musk really created. the emotional

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here. >> to see my. >> family and all the supporters here. last night, everybody here. and i cannot believe it. this was 100 people here for weigh on me here i was on the almost come to town and they came in. and then my friend would have some signal for the for the car i was looking. was she waiting for. and when the police officer was pulled in front of us, i was like, what happened? they was holding her light, shining lights and somebody like, oh, i don't think they pulled me over because it's in front of me. and they was giving me the way. take me to home, to my restaurant. i was like, wow. and i saw all the people here wait on me to come home. >> so those. >> people. >> i'll jump in and just say, yeah, you're describing people who know you, people. you're your peers in the community. they they have been happy for you. they're happy you're out of detention, i guess. what are you hearing from them? because some of the reporting, the articles

we saw was, was them looking at you and seeing this happen and thinking it shouldn't happen to you. >> i'm sorry. what do you say again? i hear you very well. >> oh. >> i was just saying, the people in your community, they. you feel they've been supporting you. they don't feel that you should have been, for example, held. held for a month. >> yes. i feel they support me so, so. well, they was. they were holding. they love me. either they vote to trump. >> yeah. >> well, carol, and i appreciate you telling the story. and i know it's you've been just been through something. your attorney here is here raymond help us if you would with the disconnect. we want to be fair and have an open mind. but policy always involves people, you know, and also people you don't know. >> and then. thanks for having us, ari. it's absolutely true. >> and the. >> word that you use is disconnect. and i. >> really can only conclude

that. >> you know, the executive. >> order requesting that. no more folks on, on, on orders of supervision. >> really is what triggered it. >> carol was not even supported as supposed to report. until august. >> and it is. >> only overnight. >> that she. >> received a call to report the next day, and on april 30th, she was taken into custody. >> this is. >> something that could have been very easily resolved in a. >> much. >> more humane way. we are very happy with the outcome that she was finally released and it would have never happened. >> i think. >> that without the. amazing support that carol has received from everyone in the community. >> well, let me quote from the community. and carol, you described it. chuck ernest is a farmer who spoke out to the press and said, she you, carol, are the type of person you'd want to come to this country. i don't know how this fits into the deportation problem with trump. so, raymond, you're

advocating for a client. we understand that. but but is there more to be done here if the people who actually voted use their their voice, their power for these policies are having remorse? >> absolutely. i think. >> that it's something that i. believe can can be done. it's just a matter of. >> being willing to do it and sitting. >> down and writing policies, as well as as laws that are humane, that are fair. we are dealing with it's kind of a patchwork, if you don't mind. my saying is you go from one policy to another, you change one rule to another. but let's change the laws. >> let's really. >> sit down and create a system. >> that is not. >> going to tear our our communities. this is beyond that. this is not what we're about. >> yeah. and it's carol we're looking at we have we're showing the viewers some of the photos of people who care about you and

didn't forget you, even in the weeks after everyone's got lives and busy with their shirts and other ways they wanted to show support. what do you want to say, if anything, to the government or people who might be thinking about these policies that that remove people who are part of the communities, what do you what do you want to say or what have you learned from this that that could be done better or different or more fair? >> yes, sir. they are the moment in my life where it's filled with short. when i'm looking around, i recognize all the kindness, support and love and i receive. i will never can repay to them. today is the one moment for me, but i'm going to do my best to try my best to be here. and then i to the people of the candidate i would thank you. thank you so much for my deepest part of my heart and how they

will take care of me, my family to the tom. they they support me. they. i never can say thank you enough and i'm so thankful. my lawyer, thank you so much for your child, for do everything you can. it's not just your skill and in your heart. thank you for making all things different. i don't think i can do without you and for my employer, for my boss, miss donna. she is one amazing, smart people woman i met. she would not give up on me. she took care of me, my children and i don't have a lot of words to thank you. what she do for? for me, my family. >> carol, if. >> i can say so, i think i she's

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