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>> in for katy tur. >> there have been more. >> protests and demonstrations. >> around the country, fueled by. >> increased ice raids in southern california. >> and elsewhere. demonstrations in raleigh, san antonio. >> saint. >> louis and spokane. >> saw hundreds of people. >> in. >> the streets. >> and most were, for. >> the most. >> part, peaceful. >> protesters in seattle. >> did clash with police. >> overnight. >> leading to arrests in los angeles. the city was relatively quiet. >> police broke. >> up these. >> demonstrations just. >> ahead of the. >> overnight curfew. >> there were also some. >> arrests after. >> that curfew went into effect. >> as for the california. >> national guard. >> they've been conducting. >> training exercises. >> for crowd control. while the 700 marines assigned to la have also been getting special. training before the marines go to assist. >> ice. >> agents in their ongoing immigration raids. now, in. >> just a few. >> hours, a federal judge in san francisco will hear arguments. >> in california's. >> lawsuit challenging. >> the trump. >> administration's federalization of the national guard. california is asking the court to limit the scope of the guard and marines deployed to los angeles. but the justice department says this is an attempt to limit the president's

powers. of course, all of this has given california governor gavin newsom a chance to try to bring democrats onside as he takes on donald trump. as politico puts it, casting it as a fight for the future of american democracy. while many democrats try to shift the public discourse away from immigration and focus instead on trump's unprecedented use of executive power. joining us now, we've got nbc news national correspondent david noriega in los angeles, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and new york times reporter hamid al aziz, who covers the department of homeland security and immigration policy. first, i want to play you an incident that just happened at a news conference for the dhs secretary, kristi noem, where u.s. senator alex padilla appears to have been shoved out of the room. it's unclear at this point what exactly started the tussle. david, do we know anything more about what may have happened here? >> what we know is what we're seeing in that footage. christina, just to provide a little bit of background,

senator padilla is a long standing figure in california and southern california. politics has deep roots here. deep roots, particularly with with latino communities, immigrant communities in southern california. he was secretary of state for a time. now he's senator, of course. so he is sort of a just, politically speaking, understandably a foil for the trump administration on this issue and for kristi noem specifically. we are trying to find out more information about what exactly happened in that press conference. the audio is kind of muffled. it's not entirely clear what led up to that moment, but clearly it ratchets up the political tension between california's democratic establishment and the trump administration as the immigration raids in southern california and the protests unfold. >> christina and david, to that point, you know, as you're seeing these ice raids possibly intensifying around southern california, what are you hearing from community members, city officials, folks that are really going to get impacted by these raids? >> yeah. so i've been speaking to family members of people who've been detained, organizers, community leaders in these communities. what they are

trying to point out is the fact that the reaction that we got from the community to these enforcement operations that started last week is not just a reaction to the fact that there are immigration arrests happening in their community. it's also the way that these arrests are taking place. it's the fact that they're being conducted by heavily armed, militarized tactical units for ice and other federal agencies that are showing up to work places like car washes and home depot parking lots, agricultural fields, places where they't to t ering questions, not identifying themselves, putting people in unmarked cars without telling people where they're going. the fact that in many instances, family members, loved ones, lawyers are having a very hard time getting in contact with or even locating the people who have been detained. this kind of action by federal authorities is what is producing a lot of fear among undocumented, undocumented people specifically, but also a lot of anger among some of their loved ones and others in the larger community. an example is the case of arturo vasquez, who

was arrested at a car wash in culver city on sunday. not because he worked there, but he was with his sons getting his car detailed. when one of these enforcement operations happened to take place. i spoke to his son, brian, who just turned 16, about how he feels about his about this, how this is making his family feel. take a listen to a bit of what he said. >> i don't want to show my mom that i. that i'm crying, that i'm sad because the more we get sad, the more she will get sad. so i'm trying to stay strong, not cry as much, and just be calm during this whole whole time that we're trying to get my dad back, it's not right. also getting destroying families and making them suffer through through this. >> christina, we're getting indications that these raids are, as you said, possibly intensifying around the southern california area. it's a little bit unclear because we're relying on reports from families, community leaders,

etc, but there are indications that they that these raids are continuing. one of the things that we're looking out for is whether we're going to see any publicly visible raids taking place with either national guard troops or marines accompanying the federal agents conducting these raids. that is, of course, a ratcheting up of precisely the kinds of characteristics of these actions that have been triggering the sorts of responses we've seen, the sorts of unrest we've seen, obviously, as as we go into the weekend with larger mobilizations planned, if these enforcement operations continue as they have been. and of the political tensions between democrats in california and the trump administration continue, then it's entirely likely that the protests, the mobilizations we see this weekend will be pretty significant. >> christina and lisa, those political tensions are due in court around 430 eastern today. a federal judge is going to hear arguments over california's request to limit the scope of the folks. we were just talking about national guard and marines in la. the doj already is calling the case a, quote, crass political stunt endangering american lives. is that a

preview of what you expect to hear in court? what are the shapes of these arguments going to be? >> christina, i think a lot of the argument today is going to turn around, not just. >> the law. >> that's at issue, but exactly what is happening on the ground in los angeles and what those who have been called up by the president are expected to do in the coming days. and i want to read to you from a reply brief that governor newsom and the state of california filed. just a short time ago in anticipation of this afternoon's hearings. in this brief, they cite an interview that major general scott sherman, who has been described as the commanding officer for all of the california national guard members and marines who have been deployed under the president's orders, he told reporters yesterday. of those national guard members, they do not do any arrests. they are strictly there to detain, to wait for law enforcement to come and handle those demonstrators. governor newsom in the state of california say that's an admission that the national guard members on the ground are

doing things beyond merely protecting federal officers, protecting federal property, but are rather engaging in what they call direct civilian law enforcement. and the reason that that's important is because that's where they draw a clear line in terms of what is legal and constitutional and what is not. so today, i think judge breyer is really going to want to drill down into how are these people being used, what kinds of operations are they engaged in? the government submitted a declaration yesterday from a senior military official who detailed places where all of these national guard people have been deployed, but he only covered about 900 of them in a declaration that he filed. that leaves over 1200 people that have been deployed to los angeles with a. very flimsy description of what exactly that they're doing there. and today's argument, and whether a temporary restraining order is necessary, is really going to turn on the facts as much as it

is on the law that sort of exists to provide a clear dividing line between what's legal and constitutional and what is not. >> and if people listening think the phrase judge breyer sounds oddly familiar, there's a reason for that. can you remind us who judge charles breyer is, what his background is? and then the other thing is how quickly we think we could hear from him on this issue. >> so judge breyer is. >> the brother of now retired supreme court justice stephen breyer. he has been on the san francisco federal district court since the 1990s, when he was nominated by bill clinton. he is now 83 years old and a judge who has what's called senior status when instead of retiring, you can reduce your caseload, you can be a little bit more choosy about which cases you get involved in and don't. but that is who judge breyer is. now, whether he shows himself to be a close relative to his more famous brother judicially remains to be seen. this afternoon, in terms of how fast

or slow he's going to rule, this is a case where governor newsom and attorney general rob bonta wanted judge breyer to make a decision by 1 p.m. pacific time on tuesday as to whether they could get a restraining order. he clearly declined. that gave the government an opportunity to respond in papers yesterday scheduled a hearing. for today. he definitely could rule from the bench at the expiration of the hearing, but it may also take him a couple of days to explain his reasoning and writing. so i would put my money on sort of a third possibility, where he tells the parties where he is leaning or what the ultimate result is going to be, but doesn't memorialize it in a written opinion for a couple of days to come. >> christina and david, the bigger fight here seems to be between governor newsom and president trump. it comes down to this use of executive power. what has newsom said about this case and his overall goals? >> well. >> christina, what what newsom has been saying, what both

governor newsom and attorney general bonta have been saying about the trump administration's deployment of troops is that they are unjustified, primarily because, you know, invoking title ten requires some kind of rebellion, some kind of extenuating circumstance that local authorities cannot, you know, handle on their own or that require taking the authority over the national guard away from the governor. you know what i've seen on the ground, which i think is an important point, is that over the last few days, local, state and county law enforcement have been deploying tremendous amount of officers, a tremendous amount of officers ready to use nonlethal force to handle crowds and removing people scattered, dispersing people before they even have the chance to form any kind of significant crowd or block any kind of roadway. the position that newsom specifically and mayor karen bass also, and other officials are taking is that they have this under control and that therefore, the entire premise of trump's activating of the national guard and deploying of marines is invalid. now, it's creating an interesting situation on the ground, because it's making it so that these

democratic officials who ostensibly oppose the trump administration's, you know, indiscriminate immigration enforcement actions in southern california, which is what this community is responding to with these protests, is nevertheless cracking down very intensely on those very protests and not allowing them to really gain steam or to proceed. again, i really have my eye on saturday because saturday is the day where there are going to be nationwide marches involving, you know, more organized nationwide marches. a larger cross-section of the population is going to come out than just that small kind of hard group of protesters who are willing to come out, even, you know, on, on in situations where there's curfews and where there's where there's this massive police presence that's going to really be the test of how this movement is evolving and growing. and it's especially going to be a very tricky, i think, test for governor newsom, for mayor bass, for the officials who are having to walk this fine line between making sure that these protests don't get raucous, don't get out of hand, don't become riots, don't give any kind of credence to the trump administration's

claim to need to deploy the troops, but also don't can't be seen by their own constituents and by people in l.a. and other parts of california as needlessly suppressing the free speech of the people that are responding to the raids that these very officials claim to also be opposed to. >> cristina and lisa, i want to go back to you really quickly because we've also seen democratic lawmakers trying to walk that exact line we were just talking about with david. i hear you have more information on that video we played of senator padilla at this kristi noem event. there is reporting now that he was, in fact, arrested outside the room. >> it appears that he was arrested outside the room. christina, i am now in possession of video that was taken from a different angle of this same incident. the video you showed earlier shows senator padilla being escorted out of the room and quickly ends thereafter. the video that i have seen shows that what happens when he goes into that hallway, he is further pushed into the hallway by somebody wearing an fbi shirt. he is then pushed onto the ground and placed under arrest with his

hands behind his back. as he is face down on the floor by three additional officers. obviously, we don't have full information about the altercation that led him to be pushed out of the room by personnel, either from the department of homeland security or the fbi, but this is yet another escalation between the department of homeland security and those agents working at their disposal and lawmakers, obviously, lamonica mciver, a congresswoman from new jersey, has now been indicted on three federal charges for which she could face up to 18 years in prison. in an altercation that started not dissimilarly from this, you know, one of the things i was looking for is whether or not senator padilla himself put his hands back on those who were involved in that altercation with him. as lamonica mciver is alleged to have done. and you can see from the video you're showing right now, somewhat, that senator padilla is pushing back or has his hands on the officer. from the video that i have seen, it's

much clearer. at some point, he then stops resisting, puts his hands up, and nonetheless they push him down the hallway, put him face down, his hands behind his back. he's arrested. i don't know yet what has going to come of this and where senator padilla has been taken, but this is a big escalation of what has been happening in california. senator padilla, as david was mentioning earlier, is a son of california. he grew up in pacoima, in los angeles, san fernando valley, where i'm also from. pacoima, is a heavily latino community. senator padilla, born to immigrants. he himself is the pride of much of the latino community in the los angeles area. to see him manhandled in this way, like a common, everyday protester, is going to be particularly jarring for many who are watching from california, where he is the senior senator. >> thank you. lisa. i also want to bring in nbc news senior homeland security correspondent, julia ainsley. julia, obviously,

this is breaking news. we're still trying to find out what's going on. there's video of the senator being put in cuffs, but it seems like he might not have been arrested or detained in custody. he might have been released. do you have any updates on on what actually happened after that video? we saw where he was put into cuffs. >> i don't have any updates on that, christina, but i'm just going after the same video that you are. i also just want to talk about what noam was up against when she took the podium today. we understand. or we saw a true social this morning that president trump posted almost a change, a complete shift in tone from what this administration has been doing, he said. our great farmers and business people and hotel and leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good longtime workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace. he goes on to say, this is not good. we must protect our farmers, but get critical. but get criminals out of the usa. changes are coming. so you have noam taking the podium and los angeles today

amid protesters, amid this very high profile protest like we just saw from senator padilla having to come up and explain why isis presence is worth it in this community, why it's worth the protests it sparked. and she goes over the criminals. she shows you those mug shots on the walls. but of course, when they're talking about arresting hundreds, being able to talk about a dozen people with criminal records doesn't exactly get to that part. and of course, as trump is saying in this truth social post, he's hearing backlash that there are people who do not have criminal records, who are being arrested and they're being taken out of these businesses, particularly in the agriculture and hospitality sectors. and he says that's not good. changes are coming. so then homeland security secretary noem had to take the podium today amid that and explain why all of these arrests are worth it. also, right before she took the podium, i mean, within seconds, dhs put out a press release saying that they are revoking the status of over 532,000 people who came into the country

legally under a biden administration program for people from cuba, haiti, nicaragua and venezuela. not only are they telling them they have to leave the country immediately, something they did get permission from the supreme court to do very recently. but now they're saying that they have to hand in their work authorizations. and we understand from reporting that they are going to tell their employers that these people are no longer authorized to work. so while you have trump talking about how he's hearing complaints from the economy about people being arrested with no criminal record, nomes taking the podium, explaining why this is necessary, and dhs is saying that there are now 532,000 fewer people in the workforce as of minutes ago because of these new changes. so we're seeing i don't know if it's a shift in policy from the white house, but it's certainly dire conflicts between their messaging, their actions, and what the president is saying on this issue today. so there are a lot of outstanding questions amid all this chaos, violence and confusion in los

angeles. i just wanted to make everyone clear of that context. >> and if you can hold on just one second, because kristi noem has just been asked about this incident, and i believe we have that sound for everyone now, >> which. >> is just witness here. >> oh. >> you know what i have? i don't. >> even know the senator. >> he did not. >> request a meeting with. >> me or to. >> speak with me. so when i. >> leave here, i'll have a conversation. with him and visit and find out really. >> what his. >> concerns were. >> i think everybody in. >> america would. >> would agree that that wasn't appropriate, that. >> if. >> you wanted. >> to have a civil discussion, especially as a leader. >> a public official. >> that you would. >> reach. >> out and try to have a conversation. for instance, i have left voicemails for governor newsom wanting to have a conversation. >> has he returned them? >> no he hasn't. i know that the white house has reached out and had conversations with mayor bass as well. and so that's what you do to try to start these conversations and ask for partnerships. >> unfortunately. >> we haven't met that in this area. i'll visit with the senator and find out really what his concerns are and what we can do. >> as far as the estimate number of. >> people that you know. >> what. >> i would say. >> julia. >> you've got noem saying, you

know, the senator didn't ask for a meeting, but she says she'll meet with him and find out what his concerns are. first, i want to get your reaction to that sound. but also, you and i have been talking about the fact that these quotas for ice are so high. that's one of the reasons they've had to go after people who aren't necessarily criminals, that it's going to be very difficult for them to meet the white house prescribed number of deportations, unless they're going after pretty much everybody they can find. how does that statement from donald trump today saying, well, let's leave alone agricultural workers, hospitality workers. how are those two things going to square? is that basically making isis job impossible? >> it is. i mean, it's completely conflicting because although there are a large number of people with criminal histories at large in the united states who are also immigrants, we understand as of last summer, there were over 400,000 people on the non-detained docket with criminal charges against them. a lot of times, those people are harder to find. it takes a lot of investigations. investigators who, by the way, have been pulled from their day jobs to go out and do these arrests of

non-criminals in the field. what noam said, though, about about scheduling a meeting, i think that's her gut reaction to the chaos that just took place in front of her. i do think she's trying not to take the bait and turn this into something bigger. there also seem to be conflicting reports we're getting right now about whether senator padilla was actually arrested after he was taken out. so we'll let you know as soon as we confirm whether he was actually put in handcuffs and arrested, or whether he was just pushed out of the room. i also know that a lot of media was not able to get into this room. they announced it very late and they, of course have security in situations like this. i've been through these security lines before. sometimes it can be harder than getting into the white house in terms of having to show your credentials and get in. so there were a number of reporters there were not allowed into that room. i would imagine the senator was given special access to even get to that point where he was when that conflict and that disruption took place. but i do think, as david was saying, it means a lot. it's

very symbolic what he was doing in that place. but as far as, you know, the tactical results of today, i think what we're going to be talking about is whether or not this department of homeland security and this administration is going to continue to defend the last few weeks on immigration as they've drastically intensified their efforts across the country, efforts that they said and that noem said today they would use as a model to extend across the country, or whether or not they're going to begin backing off of this. as we recall in june of 2018, when protests erupted across the country over the family separation policy, trump did back off of that. it's not unprecedented for him to change and pivot on this policy, even though it's a winning one for him on this topic. he may still pivot. and so i think that's a big question of are we actually getting to that flashpoint or are we not? >> all right. don't go too far. we're going to have some more as we get this video in hopefully shortly. julia. ainsley. ali

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have it. meanwhile, the white house here in dc is trying to stick to an ambitious july 4th deadline for congress to pass president trump's big, beautiful bill. it is also an incredibly short timeline to get both the senate and house on board with the legislation. but the bill is so contentious that it's divided even parts of the republican caucus. joining us now, nbc news congressional correspondent julie sirkin and punchbowl news co-founder and msnbc contributor jake sherman. julie, we're going to start with you. how skeptical are republican lawmakers that they'll actually be able to get this done in the next three weeks? >> republican lawmakers are extremely skeptical. at one hand, they still have pressure coming at them from the other side of pennsylvania avenue from trump leader thune saying they will reach that july 4th deadline. but i got to tell you in conversations, and i'm sure jake can tell you, too, with republican senators who are actually negotiating the fine points of this, they don't have text yet. they are very far away from nailing down key portions of this bill, for example, the tax portion, the salt provision that state and local tax

deduction. we keep talking about that blue state red republicans really want to get in this bill. senators don't care about it so much. right. that's going to burn house republicans once this bill goes back there. you have other tax provisions like the clean energy tax credits that were part of the inflation reduction act. you have republican senators who want that in there. and, of course, you have house republicans who took it out phase those credits out. and perhaps the biggest sticking point that has a real deadline here is, of course, the date that the government will run out of money to borrow the debt limit date that has been set in july, and that is why they are rushing to get this done in time. the issue is you have a handful of republicans, maybe one or 2 or 3, who don't want to raise the debt ceiling by the amount they are required to do as part of this bill, because they are spending so much on tax cuts and those other provisions that i just mentioned, leader thune telling us this week that there is no plan b, meaning they will address the debt limit as part of this so-called one big, beautiful bill. of course, we will see if they can get it done

in just a couple of weeks. here. republicans i'm talking to don't seem to think so, jake. >> i do want to ask you about the b-b-b, the big beautiful bill, whatever we're calling it these days. but first, you know, i'm sure you've been hearing there was this incident, this kristi noem event in los angeles where it appears senator padilla was detained. we're not sure if it was an arrest, but it looks like he was taken out of the room. you can see the video right there. we're efforting more video of what happened after they go through those doors. but we now have a tweet from california governor gavin newsom saying senator alex padilla is one of the most decent people i know. this is outrageous, dictatorial and shameful. trump and his shock troops are out of control. this must end now. so i want to ask you, for democratic members of congress who have been receiving more and more criticism about not doing enough to stop trump's policies. is this the kind of thing we're going to start seeing more of? and is there a political risk to what could be called, especially by republicans, a stunt? >> yeah, that's. >> a good question. and you

asked a critical question, which is, is this going to. >> become more commonplace now? >> we don't know if senator padilla was. arrested or as you mentioned, we don't know what. >> the kind of conclusion of this. >> this incident was. if he was arrested, it would be the second member of congress. >> arrested in the last couple of weeks. >> lamonica mciver. >> was. >> arrested just a couple of weeks ago for some activity at an ice detention facility in new jersey. so, listen, i think that. it's an. >> especially contentious. situation in california right now, and i. >> think members of congress are. >> trying to. trying to democratic. >> members of congress are trying. >> to. >> protest that in some way. but this there's no question this raises the. >> tension tremendously. if you have an administration and. federal law. >> enforcement officers. >> who are arresting. >> members of congress. >> now, he did barge. >> into the press conference room. and if he were arrested. >> the question is. >> going to be, does. >> does barging into a. >> press conference room. and shouting over the. >> homeland security. >> secretary necessitated.

>> an arrest? >> and i don't know that. i don't know that there's. >> going to be. >> a unanimity. >> on an answer to that. >> but, you know, this is not going to stop donald trump's policies. >> of course, these kinds of things. this is. >> this is a. >> protest of sorts of president trump's policies. and that's how. >> it should. >> be viewed. >> julie, are democrats telling you they're feeling more pressure from constituents to do more to push back against these trump policies? and other than what we were just talking about, is there a lot that they can do? >> listen, i saw it on the ground when i talked to you, christina, in new jersey. right? i talked to so many immigrants, some of them undocumented, in areas like newark, new jersey, sanctuary city, that that that incident that jake just referenced happened at an ice facility there. and their response to this was, look, some of them even voted for trump. some of them are business owners. they want democrats to do more to stand up to the wrong side of this. right. the idea that we're not just going after criminals, we're going after people who have been here for a very long time who are

contributing to society. and that is exactly what they want of their elected officials to. democrats certainly need to come up with a winning message on this issue. immigration has divided democrats for years now. it's an issue of course, republicans are able to capitalize on, especially in this past election. but you're seeing these moments from senator padilla, from the democrats who went to el salvador to try and protest in front of that prison there when they were holding americans, undocumented people that america has sent there. so you're seeing democrats kind of do this and approach this from different angles. for padilla's part there, he's in california. adam schiff, the other california senator, is here and about to talk to us in a couple of minutes. but on the flip side of this, republicans are also paying attention to this moment. for example, leader thune just told my colleague that he wants to get the facts of what happened before commenting. but you could see lawmakers seated listening to leader schumer when he made his remarks on the senate floor talking about this situation. just very briefly, senator susan collins was in there, for example, people paying attention to this moment.

i think jake is right. this isn't going to stop the trump administration's agenda here. but perhaps moments like this could help them reevaluate who they are targeting. like what we saw president trump post on his truth social platform today, saying they might not go after those workers on farm fields and in hotels and in restaurants and the like. so it could change the dynamic, but certainly won't stop the administration. >> all right. >> julie sirkin and jake sherman, we're going to have to leave it there for now. thank you both so much. and up next we'll talk to austin's mayor, pro temp, about texas governor greg abbott's decision to deploy thousands of national guard thousands of national guard members and state [upbeat music] (vo) this is the new dell ai pc with intel inside. a pc so ahead of its time, it actually helps you save time. like, literal hours. ♪ because it does all your busy work for you. ♪ so you can get busy doing things you actually want to do.

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>> we got. we want to go now to a breaking news story. we've been covering new video in from senator alex padilla, his office of what they say happened in the aftermath of that incident at a press conference in los angeles. let's play it for you now. >> sir. >> sir. >> hands up! >> hands up. >> senator alex padilla, i have questions. >> for the secretary, because the fact. >> of. >> the matter is, a. >> half a dozen violent criminals. >> that should rotating. on your on your. >> i also wanted to hands off. >> how many of our agents have been doctored and. >> go on the ground. >> on the ground. >> get behind. >> your back. >> hands behind your back!

>> let me get. >> in my hands. >> go ahead. >> put him behind my back. >> all right. cool. one hand. lay flat, lay flat. >> other hand, sir. >> other hand. >> there was no reporting allowed. >> in here. i did not, no. >> recording allowed. >> i want to go now to nbc news senior homeland security correspondent, julia ainsley. julia, you hear that video end with a voice saying, there's no recording allowed in here. but the last shot we see is senator padilla on the ground. it looks like being put in handcuffs. we're still trying to find out, i believe at this time whether or not he was detained, arrested or charged. what more do we know? and how significant is this, as this seems to be the second u.s. senator detained in some of these protests against either ice action or in this case, it looks like at a press conference. >> yeah. that's right. so we understand at least he was detained. obviously you can see in that video he's put in handcuffs or seems to be, you know, so back and forth where

he's told to put his hands behind his back and he's saying, you know, how can i do that when you all have my hands? i think the other thing that's striking is that, yes, we see that confrontation in the room. he's pushed out, but once he got out in the hallway, he seems to be, you know, really listening and complying and not at all pushing back or resisting against the officers. and you can see at least one has fbi on their back. the other officers, we're not sure exactly where they're from. i believe that maybe fbi as well. of course, you have so many different law enforcement agencies that have come to los angeles amid these protests. in this case, though, he did seem to be complying, but he's told to get down on his knees anyway. i think this is something that we're going to be talking about going forward, about what was his right there. we've already heard from a comber on the hill saying that he thought that padilla rushed the podium and did not act within his how he should act as a senator of the united states. but the question there that padilla was asking at least what it sounds like he was

asking was a really key one. it was right after noam had gone through the rap sheets, about a half dozen people that had been taken off the streets of los angeles, and she was applauding ice agents and everyone involved for taking these criminals off the streets and making america safer, and how they're going to go do that and all of these other american cities. what he's saying, it sounds like before he's cut off is, you know, just because you go through a half a dozen criminals doesn't mean that the hundreds who have been arrested here in los angeles committed any kind of criminal act, but he's pushed out before he can finish asking that question. and the gnome, when she's asked to comment on that so she doesn't recognize senator padilla. perhaps she's enough of a washington outsider, although she did spend some time in congress herself. of course, anyone who knows california coma knows what a figure he is in that community.eated as a protes in off the street, unable to answer or able to asknd then fo.

and then i think there's some questions about whether or not he simply should have been allowed to leave the building freely, rather than being put in handcuffs. and then we'll be waiting to see whether or not he's actually taken to jail and booked and charged with some kind of disruption charge, or whether this is where this ends, simply with simply that they had to detain him to get out of the building. but it's going to be hard, i think, for these officers to argue that he had to be in handcuffs in order to leave that situation, because he already had stopped once he was out in the hallway, he was not trying to get back into the room. christina. >> that was what stood out to me. i mean, i've covered a lot of congressional hearings that have been interrupted by protesters, codepink, folks like that, and sometimes they're charged, but most often, once they are removed from the room, that's that's oftentimes the end of it. what could the charge here be other than, i mean, i don't know, you tell me what what would the charges possibly be if they were to charge someone in a situation like

this? >> it's hard to tell. it doesn't seem that there was any kind of security threat to kristi noem, so i wouldn't imagine those charges would be on the table. but, you know, all i'm looking at is exactly what we're all looking at here. i don't know if there was something that was said before this video began, or simply that he was interrupting. it seems like, you know, just a disruption. so, yeah, it's really difficult to see exactly what he would be charged with. but i think that this speaks to the heightened environment in los angeles right now. when you have so many different law enforcement agencies and branches of the military now converging on this city where a lot of law enforcement training, particularly for domestic law enforcement agencies, is to deescalate to, as you said, escort someone out of the room, they feel heard. they've said what they needed to say. they go on their way. now we're really in a in an environment. and we've heard this from ice agents who have spoken to us through sources that they're worried about this escalation, this environment of escalation.

they're worried there could be a time where they don't know their rules of engagement with, say, the marines, who might be backing them up on an ice raid. and we can see this here. it seems to be what looks like from this video to be an escalation rather than a de-escalation. >> all right. julia ainsley, thank you so much. and up next, the true story we have been telling you about. well, sorry, the true story we've been telling you about. we'll talk to austin's mayor pro tem about texas governor greg abbott's decision to deploy thousands of decision to deploy thousands of national guard members always dry scoop before you run. listen to me, the hot dog diet got me shredded. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. fridge. >> it's not dog food, it's. >> fresh pet. >> real meat, real veggies. >> real meat, real veggies. >> it's dog food.

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how prepared is local law enforcement, and how big or rowdy are these protests expected to be? >> yeah, well. >> first and foremost, this is not about public safety. >> this is. >> about military intimidation. you know, our local law enforcement. >> are trained in de-escalation. >> and with the governor announcing that they are sending armed personnel, military personnel into a. >> community that is. >> rightfully demanding their constitutional rights are protected. it's a clear escalation. it's movements like that that create more tension in communities instead of creating a safer community. >> i'm also wondering what level, if any, of coordination there has been. you know, these multi-jurisdictional efforts can always be a little complicated. even here in dc, where agencies work together all the time. like, do you have a number for who is in charge of these troops? does the police chief does the mayor? what information do you have? >> well, i mean, quite frankly, there's not a lot of information i can tell you that our police chief has been in conversation with the department of public

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290 at this point. now, that's not a big official number yet, but that definitely gives us an indication of where this is going. of course, we know that there were 242 people aboard the flight. this crashed into, as you mentioned, a very dense residential office area. so it does look like there are additional casualties who are not on the plane in rather substantial numbers. but we're still waiting for those numbers to get firmed up. as for how this happened, there's still so many questions about it, but there's a lot of attention being paid, of of the plane's flight behavior that we can see in these videos. it's sort of flying slowly, oriented in a correct direction, but descending. and, you know, some of the aviation experts that we've been talking to, including nbc's john cox, have remarked that that is strange, something to look at. the you know, the landing gear were still deployed. others have suggested there may have been an issue with the flaps in some of those videos. it doesn't look like the flaps are deployed. now, you do bring those in as you're coming up. but again, lots of questions, lots of

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