need to look into. in a really devastating impact on the area, it landed. but amid all of this devastation, this really incredible story of a sole survivor at this point, this british national, his name is vishwas kumar ramesh. he was actually traveling with his brother. they sky has spoken with vishwas and his family in the uk. they have not heard from the brother yet. it's unclear what's happened to him and he does not have any real recollection of what happened on the plane. back to you. >> all right. matt. our thoughts are with all involved. thank you so much. and the next hour of katy tur reports starts right now. >> i served in the marine corps. we are trained to be war fighters, not for crowd control. everyone here should be alarmed that the president has sent armed forces into a city, against the wishes of a governor

and mayor. i am concerned this administration is purposely escalating the situation with this step and politicizing our armed forces in the process. let's call it for what it is. it's political theater. hegseth are the marines in los angeles ordered to protect property by any means necessary? >> sir, i would say the ice officers and police officers being attacked is not political theater. the national guard. >> just yes or no? just yes or no. >> the national guard and marines have the full authority to protect federal ice agents. yes or no? just. >> can you just say yes or no? this isn't fox anymore. just yes or no. >> they're there to protect federal agents and federal. >> another bs answer. >> good to be back with you. i'm christina ruffini in today for katy tur. that of course was defense secretary pete hegseth being questioned on capitol hill

today about the president's deployment of marines to los angeles. and just in this hour, dramatic video of california's democratic senator alex padilla getting dragged out of a briefing with homeland security secretary kristi noem after he tried to ask her a question. the senator, who is the son of immigrants, was thrown to the ground and handcuffs. padilla's office says the senator is not currently detained. and of course, we are working to learn more threat to our democracy, that we call it out regardless of party. and this is wrong. this is wrong. control. this must end. now, of course, the backdrop for this is as tensions in california are continuing to mount, and there is mounting criticism as well, about the use of the military by the white house on american soil. a pentagon spokesperson says there are more u.s. troops in la right now than in syria and iraq.

after assigning the marines to la over the objections of local democratic officials. the administration says more troops could be en route to other cities. the white house saying this is what americans voted for enforcement of immigration law, but also adding that, of course, the president supports the rights of americans to protest peacefully. in an article in the washington post today, the authors write that in threatening the use of force against protesters, trump notably did not distinguish between those committing acts of violence and those peacefully protesting against his policies. it goes on to say the administration's escalating rhetoric has invited comparisons to language used by autocrats in foreign countries, where leaders more frequently deploy their military forces within their own borders. now back in california, a federal judge today is hearing that state's challenge to the president's deployment of military officers to la. nbc news also reports that la police and elected officials are concerned that marines are not properly trained to interact

with civilians, including ended up here. it's the beauty of america that alex padilla could end up here by dent of his brilliance, his integrity and his compassion, and all of that is at risk, all of of that is at risk right now if we let the abusive handling of this good man, and so many other good men and women around the country, if we let this go without our firmest opposition, without our strongest pushback, without our strongest defense of our democracy. and with that, i ask the gentleman from new jersey whether he will yield to the gentle woman to my right. mr. booker: i intend to yield -- the presiding officer: excuse me. let me consult the parliamentarian for a second.

the ten minutes allotted to the senator under morning business has expired. another senator may seek recognition in his or her own right. mrs. murray: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from washington. mr murray: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, i come to the floor this afternoon, to the united states senate, a place where people are elected by their constituents to come here to be their voice, every one of us, republican, democrat, elected by the people who we represent, to come here and be their voice, and to do the job. what is that job? to make sure that we are being their voice and speaking out for them, and part of that has to be asking questions. part of that has to be demanding

accountability. that has to be getting information so we can do the best job possible. it is unacceptable that a united states senator, in his own home state, elected by millions of people, went to ask a question, for his constituents, to get an answer, and was brutally thrown to the ground and handcuffed. that is wrong, and i cannot believe that we don't have senators on both sides of the aisle calling this out as outrageous. this is what a democracy is about, mr. president. mr. president, it is about voice. what happens when that voice is stifled? what happens when that voice is thrown to the floor and handcuffed? our

democracy is lost. mr. president, i have been here for more than 32 years. i have come to this floor often to speak out, to be angry, to be a voice for my people. i have never come this close to having tears in my eyes as i speak to both sides of this aisle about this horrendous incident that occurred. we are a democracy, but we can lose that democracy. it can be gone unless all of us speak out and forcibly what happened to united states senator, and to send the message that in this democracy it is just, it is right, it is part of our responsibility to speak up, to ask questions, and to be able to have the knowledge we need to represent the people that we

come here for. we use our voices, mr. president. we use our votes, mr. president. to be a part of this democracy. not violence. when violence is done by someone representing this administration, in a forceful way, against a united states senator, how does any one of us go home and tell our constituents that they can wrong. mr. president, i hope others speak up and speak out. and as a voice we say we want our democracy to succeed. and in order to succeed, we need to be able to use our voices and to use our votes and questions without being forcibly thrown to the ground, without being arrested by speaking up.

i say to the entire for decades a senator from washington saying this is the closest she's ever gotten in those decades of service to speaking with tears in her eyes and emotional speech there about that incident with senator padilla at that press conference in los angeles earlier today. joining us now, we want to go to nbc news national and political correspondent jacob soboroff, who i believe is in los angeles. jacob, what more do you have? >> christina. >> we made our way here to the federal building in westwood, where senator. >> padilla was. >> detained by the secret service earlier today. according to the. >> department of. >> homeland security. >> it was. >> inside this building. >> i want to give you a. >> little look at what is the scene here right now? everybody obviously is waiting for senator padilla to come out. you can see all the assembled media here, but i want to show you a little bit more of the building and tell you a little bit more about what i know you've probably seen that video. which we obtained at nbc news directly from senator padilla's office. it took place inside this building. so this is

the federal building. it's in the heart of westwood, california, which is on the west side of los angeles. secretary noem was here earlier today in order to give a press conference to media that was assembled to listen about these operations, one of which she was at earlier this morning. pictures have been released of that operation during this wide scale mass deportation effort by the trump administration. what you are watching on the left side of your screen is the video that we obtained directly from senator padilla's office, watching those agents both push him out of the press conference after he began to ask questions of secretary noem, and then ultimately pushed him down onto the ground and detain him in handcuffs. we understand he's no longer detained, according to senator padilla's office. but senator padilla has taken a keen interest in what's happening in los angeles over the last several days, starting on friday. senator padilla is the junior senator from the state of california, but he's also a very long time public servant here. he was a los angeles city council member. he became a state senator in california, later to become the california secretary of state before he was first appointed. after kamala

harris became the vice president of the united states to the united states senate by senator gavin newsom, he has obviously been elected by the people of california. but perhaps most importantly in context, i think everybody should know about senator padilla in the wake of what's played out this weekend. as he is the son of mexican immigrants, he grew up in the northeast san fernando valley, in a neighborhood called pacoima, where he launched his political career during proposition 187, the restrictive california immigration laws under the gubernatorial regime of pete wilson that mobilized a lot of young latinos at the time to get involved in public service and to speak out about anti-immigrant sentiment here in california. and that was the genesis of senator padilla's political career. he has raised up, gone up through the ranks to become the senator from california. and this is unlike him. i've known him for a very long time to see him engaged in this kind of struggle with federal law enforcement agents is not the is not, i think, the personality that anybody would say that they believe senator padilla to be a confrontational

person who would would try to have something like this happen to him. he's a mild mannered, soft spoken person. many people have seen him on msnbc over the course of his tenure in the united states senate. as he as he speaks to all of us. and our understanding is that senator padilla will be coming out in the next five minutes in order to talk to the media that's assembled here. so we're going to keep an eye on both that door behind us here at the federal building and over here where the press conference is going to ultimately take place. christina. but it is a certainly a scene that is being condemned from washington to california here by democratic lawmakers. and it it is unfolding, continuing to unfold at this hour here in westwood. >> christina and jacob, i want to ask you, one of the big concerns democratic lawmakers especially, have been voicing with all these different agencies who don't normally work together, who don't necessarily work on de-escalation tactics, crowd control and a civilian type manner working together and the possibility for error. and we were just talking here in washington where we have a lot of these hearings and there's a

lot of disruption. and capitol police here are used to it, and they take them out and then kind of de-escalate it. where what you saw with senator padilla seem to when he left from the video, we can see at this point he seemed to stop resisting. and yet officers, you know, as you can see in this video here, you know, he says, you have my hands. they say, put your hands behind your back. he says, essentially, i can't. you're holding my hands. that's right. i'm wondering if this kind of reinforces that point, that there are concerns that people who haven't necessarily done this type of thing before could overreact. >> i mean, obviously, and i think that that's just sort of a broader concern here, both with national guard troops on the streets and the marines being deployed as well. there are some guard troops stationed outside the federal building here. when you pull in, all of us members of the media, and there has been ongoing conversation about the level of training. these are obviously the agents that protect secretary noem from the secret service, which is part of the department of homeland security. they are well trained in incidents like this. the department of homeland security is saying they thought that he may have been an attacker inside

this press conference. of course, we had to rsvp in order to come to this press conference. the address was only sent to us after, you know, we sent our credentials in and they identified us as working members of the media. you know, nobody can just walk into a federal building. and senator padilla said he was here meeting with the general of northcom, who, of course, is involved in the deployment of the troops here. so, you know, whether or not this was an overreaction by members of the secret service, i think could be left to experts in this field. but what senator padilla has office is saying is he just want to ask some questions about the ongoing operations, which he obviously vehemently opposes here. and the secret service said they anticipated or they believed it was some sort of provocation by senator padilla. and that's why their agents reacted in the way that you're watching on the screen, cuffing the junior senator from the state of california, alex padilla, who has now been released, is no longer detained. and we expect to address this year the members of the media shortly. >> and i also want to read you to the point you just made about him his office, saying the senator was in there to have an

official meeting and access to a federal building. we have a new statement from dhs posted on x or twitter, whatever we're calling it now. senator padilla chose disrespectful political theater and interrupted a live press conference without identifying himself or having his senate security pin on as he lunged towards secretary nome, mr. padilla was told repeatedly to back away and did not comply with officers repeated commands. secret service thought he was an attacker and officers acted appropriately. it then goes on to say secretary nome met with senator padilla after and held a 15 minute meeting. have you heard from his office any details about whether or not that meeting did occur? and what is your reaction to this? how does what it track what you've been hearing from the senator's office? >> well, we haven't heard about that 15 minute meeting yet. secretary nome came out and left just a little while ago, and did not speak at any length to the members of the media. the other thing i want to say is i want to correct myself. obviously, senator padilla, if you can come back to our shot, you can see members of the national guard that are here right now. senator

padilla is no longer the junior senator from california. obviously. senator adam schiff is the junior senator from california. after the death of senator dianne feinstein and the election of adam schiff to the senate, you can see members of the national guard, it appears, that are here at the federal building right now. they may be picking up some lunch. as a matter of fact, there are some more over over there as well. they are they are here in los angeles, and they are stationed outside this very federal building. to answer your question again, christina, no, we don't know about what transpired during that meeting. and if you just give me one second to see if we can get some information on whether or not he's coming back. he's he's coming out. >> he'll be. >> coming out shortly. okay. how you doing? we're live right now. is he is he doing okay? >> he's doing great. yeah. >> is there anything you can do? since we're live on msnbc anchor? do you want to. he's okay. were you in there when it happened? >> i was there with him. yes, but he should be coming out shortly. and then he'll give a brief statement. and then. >> were you in the in the 15 minute meeting with the. okay. okay. all right. i tried did my best. edgar. so senator padilla will be out here, as you heard from his spokesperson, in just a

couple of minutes. and we're going to we're going to hang tight and see if we can get him as soon as he comes out. >> all right, jacob, you stay there. hopefully the audience will stay with us as well. we're going to take a very quick break going to take a very quick break while we wait for t did you know that gain super flings were created by award winning perfumers and scientists? they super sized the fling and filled it with concentrated detergent. then added 3x the febreze freshness and 4x the oxi cleaning power. no wonder i'm obsessed. try gain super flings. this week on neutrogena remembers — will you marry me? — i love you. if you remember these two, it may be time to start using neutrogena retinol regenerating cream. it can reverse 7 years of visible aging. great skin! oh, to be young! relief. >> work. >> play. blink. >> relief. >> relief. >> the only i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein.

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handcuffed by authorities. we're back now with nbc news senior correspondent covering national security and the pentagon, courtney kube. she's on capitol hill today. and we also have retired commander of u.s. army europe, lieutenant general mark hertling. courtney, i want to start with you. you're on the hill today. the backdrop of this incident that we've been talking about all morning is, of course, the tensions rising over the military deployment to los angeles. did we learn anything more about the parameters, about the rules of engagement, about who exactly is commanding these forces and what their mission is going to be? >> we didn't get any more. in fact, there was there were quite a few tense exchanges. frankly, this is our third day on the hill covering secretary of defense pete hegseth, first time on the hill as the secretary of defense. and this has been one of the major lines of questioning. but beyond the total cost, the estimated cost for this $134 million for these now about 4800 national guard and marines who'd be involved. that's really all we've learned. now, nbc news has learned a couple of things independent of these hearings, and that is

specifically about the marines. these 700 marines are assigned to task force 51. this is the overall task force. that is the military mission to support the support lapd and law enforcement and federal law enforcement in these immigration protests. we know that the 700 marines now are not just mobilized, but they are actually being brought forward. they are expected to be on the streets in the next 48 hours or so. and why that's critical, christina, is because that means, according to officials at u.s. northern command, that they have completed their training specifically on the rules of force, what they are allowed to do. marines, as you know, go through a very different level of training than than civilian law enforcement do. so they had to make sure that they were aware of everything that they could potentially encounter while in this mission. their mission specifically, is going to be protecting ice agents, and that could christina include protecting them while they are on immigration raids?

>> but courtney hegseth was asked about whether the marines were allowed to fire warning shots in la because one of the big concerns we've been talking about is if they're offering protection on an ice raid or something like that, and conflicts happen in that escalates whether or not the marines would be able to shoot back. hegseth said no. do you think this training is going to be enough to answer those sorts of questions for everyone? who's going to be forced to be put in this kind of situation? >> yeah, so i was in the hearing. i candidly took the warning shot question to be about firing shots in the air over the heads, not at actually engaging. remember, there are three we the we don't know all of the parameters of exactly what the marines are going to be operating under. but we know three basic things. they have been told that they have the authority to protect federal personnel, federal infrastructure, and then they will always have the inherent right of self-defense. that's why it is important to, to be to define exactly what they could be doing, so that we will know whether they could potentially be put into positions that could

compromise them, that could make them put them in a dangerous position where they may find themselves, you know, making these these sorts of difficult decisions. some of the questions that we did not get answered today is we know that this is a 60 day mission. but secretary said yesterday that it could expand beyond la. well, what are the chances of that actually happening? what us troops could be brought in. are we talking about more national guard? are we talking about more active duty troops, marines or otherwise? those are the kinds of specificity that we just frankly, didn't get answers to today. one of the major themes out of this hearing today was secretary hegseth refusing to give specifics or really answer most of the questions that were posed by these members here today. >> and, lieutenant general hertling, i want to ask you on that exact topic. as someone in the military, as someone who would either have to, you know, carry out these orders or command soldiers to carry out these orders. do you think the terms of engagement, as they've been described are clear enough,

or are they going to leave soldiers in the field, marines in downtown los angeles in a really untenable position, trying to figure out in a heated situation whether a law, an order is lawful or unlawful, whether they should engage or not engage, whether it's going to count as self-defense or not. >> you're asking all the questions, christina. >> that military commanders want to know. and as courtney just said, the secretary of defense did not clarify those he did not give. normally, when a military unit is put into a mission set. >> called support. >> to civilian operations or. >> senator, how are you feeling? >> actually, i'm sorry, general. we have to go right now to los angeles. and jacob soboroff, who's outside the federal building with senator padilla, we're going to. >> take that right. >> now, guys. >> let him through. let him through. are you physically hurt, senator padilla? >> let's come to the microphone, please. >> okay. >> i'm through. >> let him through.

>> excuse me, excuse me. >> andy. >> good afternoon. thanks for your time, andy. we're right here already. >> so good afternoon, everybody. >> never put. >> your. >> hand on me. >> good afternoon everybody. >> senator alex padilla. >> you guys have some questions. i'm going to read a brief statement. i will not be. >> taking questions. but allow. >> me to read. >> my statement. >> i'm here in. >> los angeles today. >> and i. >> was here in the federal building. >> in the conference room. >> awaiting a. scheduled briefing from. federal officials as. >> part of. >> my responsibility.

>> as a senator to provide oversight. >> and accountability. >> while i was waiting for the briefing. >> with general. >> i learned that secretary noem was having a press conference a couple of doors down the hall. since the beginning of the year, but especially. >> over the course. >> of the last, over the course of recent weeks, i several of my colleagues have been asking the. >> department of homeland. >> security for more information and more answers on their increasingly extreme immigration. enforcement actions. and we've gotten little to no information in response to our inquiries. and so i came to the press conference to hear what she had to say, to see if i could learn any new additional

information. and at one point, i had a question. and let me emphasize this as. >> we. >> emphasize the right for people to peacefully protest and to stand up for their first amendment rights for our fundamental rights. i was there peacefully. at one point, i had a question, and so i began to ask a question. i was almost immediately forcibly removed from the room. i was forced to the ground, and i was handcuffed. i was not arrested. i was not detained. i will say this if this is how this administration responds to a senator with a question, if this is how the department of homeland security responds to a senator with a question, you can only imagine what they're doing

to farmworkers, to cooks, to day laborers out in the los angeles community and throughout california and throughout the country. we will hold this administration accountable. and we'll have more to say. we'll have more to say in the coming days. let me say just briefly in spanish as well. so, senator alex padilla, estou aqui porque toda una junta para recibir mas informacion de los representantes de la administracion, especialmente porque el principio del gobierno de donald trump. especialmente esta ultima semana por aqui en la region de los angeles. hemos tenido mas informacion para las politicas. las estrategias de la

administracion. >> all right. you're listening to a press conference from the senior senator from california, alex padilla, after exiting a federal building following a skirmish inside a press conference with dhs secretary kristi noem. that video is on the right side of your screen. he was detained and put on the floor and put in handcuffs. but as he just clarified in his remarks, which he made, he's now repeating them in spanish. he said, i was not arrested. i was not detained. he then added, is this if this is how the administration, if this is how the department of homeland security responds to a senator with a question. you can only imagine what they are doing to. and then he went on to list different kinds of immigrants at latino communities. he said, farm workers, cooks, you know, these people across the country. he then ended by saying, we will hold this administration accountable. i want to turn now to lieutenant general mark hertling. as a member of the military who spent your life defending the us constitution, i just want to get your reaction to what we've seen unfold in the last hour or so.

>> well. >> christina, we didn't see everything that happened. we saw part of a clip with senator padilla. but what i perceive from that clip is he was manhandled. it was reprehensible. he talked about a couple of things that are of interest to me because having been in the military, there have been many times in my career where i've had to address crisis situations. we're in a crisis situation right now because there's a lack of information. as he said, there's a lack of communication between the federal government and the state and local government in california. tensions are brewing. people have not calmed down. and that's another indicator of something you really have to try and attempt to do in a crisis, and you have to try and find common ground. this certainly isn't it. all of that goes toward building trust. and as senator padilla just said, the citizens of california, his constituents, do not have trust in what's going on with ice and the federal

officials that have come into their state. so that's part of the problem. but when you see a us senator treated like he's being treated right now, being thrown to the ground and handcuffed, and the statement that came out of homeland security. >> i'm sorry, i'm going to have to interrupt you. i'm gonna have to interrupt one more time. the senator is speaking again in english. we're going. >> to. >> go back to the press conference. >> please stand by. >> this saturday, i encourage everybody to please peacefully protest, just like i was calmly and peacefully listening in that press conference and preparing, attempting to ask a question. no violence, no vandalism. please continue peacefully protesting. and that's all i will have to say today. thank you very much. >> can you. >> give us any. >> insight what. >> you. >> and the. >> secretary said afterwards? >> come in. >> and do that. >> why did you disrupt it? >> christine, i don't know if you guys can hear. me right now, and i'm not going to chase him, because obviously, i mean, look,

we can try. come on, baby, let's go. but senator padilla, the senior senator from the state of california you all saw in that moment, was thrown to the ground and placed into handcuffs by federal officials. he said he was here just to simply ask a question. let's see if we can get him. let me go up here. on my way. sorry. christina. >> are you senator? >> are you okay? are you injured? >> i'm sorry. sorry. >> for what you said. >> with the. >> secretary, you get to say what's up? >> what did the secretary say? >> senator, just one thing. they said they didn't recognize you as senator. the question. >> about the images on the screen. >> that you want. >> all right. that's senator alex padilla, the senior senator from the state of california.

driving away with his aides right now. again, senator padilla is a lifelong resident of the city of los angeles. he was a city council member here. he became a state senator here, the secretary of state of the state of california, and then became senator from california, appointed when kamala harris became the vice president, duly elected by the citizens of california, now the senior senator from california, remarking about being thrown to the floor by federal agents during that press conference with secretary kristi noem, he said he was there to ask questions because he wasn't receiving answers to those questions from the department of homeland security. in the wake of this large scale mass deportation immigration enforcement effort, starting here in los angeles, a city with more undocumented immigrants, a county with more undocumented immigrants than any other in the united states of america, and an issue, again, particularly personal to senator padilla. being the son of mexican immigrants who who i know very well from speaking to him and

spent a lot of time with senator padilla, were his role models when he grew up here in the northeast san fernando valley, still a community of immigrants, still a place very on edge at this hour over these ongoing raids. and that's something that senator padilla wants to center here in this conversation. he didn't answer questions about whether he was injured. he didn't answer questions about the conversation he reportedly had with secretary noem in the 15 minutes after that altercation. but we will we will certainly stay on top of this and encourage people to go out. if i heard him correctly, to protest on saturday, the actions of this administration in the wake of this wide scale mass deportation effort that's playing out, as he said, in home depot parking lots, in farms, places that we've reported from over the course of the last several days in and around the neighborhoods of los angeles. christina. >> jacob, thank you so much for navigating that for us. we appreciate it. please stand by. we're going to turn now to senator jeff merkley of oregon. senator, i'm sure you've been watching what we've been hearing in the press conference. i don't know how much of that you were able to hear with senator padilla speaking a bit to the

press there. but, you know, i think the thing that i took away from that is he said, if this is how the administration responds to a senator with a question, you can only imagine what they're doing to farm workers, to cooks throughout los angeles, throughout the country. what is your reaction, sir? >> well, he's absolutely right. we are. >> seeing america slide into an. >> authoritarian state. >> the president is. attacking freedom of. >> the press. >> he's attacking the universities. he's attacking. >> the law firms. he is proceeding to break so many laws regarding. >> the. >> conduct of the executive branch, and he's stiff arming the courts. this is how a republic becomes an authoritarian state. and we're seeing one more evidence here. you know, our first amendment of the constitution guarantees the. >> right to. >> petition the government with your grievances. here is a u.s. senator saying, hey, i have a very serious question here. he's identifying himself as a u.s. senator. it's a press conference. why would not the secretary say, let's hear from the senator from california? i'll answer his question.

instead of having the fbi police shove him out of the room, knock him to the ground, handcuff him, because this administration is becoming an authoritarian state, it is absolutely wrong and it is outrageous. and members of colleagues of mine are on the floor. i was on the floor a few minutes ago saying, this type of conduct has to end and we have to save our republic. >> i think it's unclear at this point if the senator identified himself. he didn't mention that, particularly in his statement. but he did say, look, i was i'm a sitting u.s. senator. i was in the federal building for a scheduled meeting that was just a few doors down from when i heard that the secretary was having a press conference. he said, i've asked repeatedly questions of dhs that have gone unanswered. so i went in to ask my question, and then it picks up pretty much his story with the video that we have. but i do want to say to you, kristi noem is on fox news right now. i've got a note from a producer saying she's saying similar to what was tweeted in a statement from dhs, basically, that the senator burst into the room,

elevating his voice and did not identify himself. appropriate actions were taken, and yet she had a conversation about the senator basically saying nobody knew who he was. i want your thoughts on that as well, sir. >> i'll just say that's an outrageous manipulation of the scene. i mean, alex padilla is a u.s. senator. he was secretary of state. he has been all over the media talking about the challenges of the president proceeding to send 2100 national guard members over the objection of the mayor, over the objection of the governor sending 700 marines, further elevating, pouring fuel on the fire. we saw president trump do this in my home state in portland, back when his first term. we're seeing on a much larger scale now, we saw him in his first term, send out police that unmarked. and they were throwing citizens of oregon into unmarked vans. it was authoritarian. then we did everything we could to protest. now we're seeing this on an amplified level. and what i heard on that video, what i saw him say, i am a us senator.

well, absolutely. if kristi noem doesn't know who the senator of california is, then i must say she's either enormously uninformed or she's enormously deceptive. >> i also want to ask you, senator, as as tensions grow and this continues to escalate, democrats are going to be asked, you're going to be asked by your constituents, what are you doing to push back? but you do then find yourself in a predicament because you know what the white house is going to say. the white house is going to say, this was a stunt. this was all for the cameras, that they are going to claim that this is democrats not respecting law and order. do you have a response to that? and if people want to push back, what is the correct way to do it? >> well, first, what alex did was exercise free speech and free assembly under our constitution. and certainly normally you accord some additional privilege to a member of the senate. i hold 36 town halls in oregon. the public can come to every one of them.

sometimes people interrupt. i ask them to respectful for the process. if we give them opportunity to make their point. absolutely. this is an incredible suppression of the spirit of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech and the right to petition your government. i would say to everyone, we are an extraordinarily dangerous ground. we are sliding into an authoritarian state. we are in the middle of a constitutional crisis, but demonstrate peacefully, peacefully, do not damage property, do not hurt others, do not allow others to do so. at a demonstration. we need the voice of the people brought forward loudly. okay, rambunctiously, but peacefully. >> all right, senator, i'm going to stop you right there. thank you so much for joining us. but we want to go now to california senator alex schiff, who's on the floor of the senate. adam schiff. >> the apologies. >> of alex padilla, but. >> it's an assault on. our democracy. this is a

administration that has no respect for our democracy, for our institutions. for the separation of powers, for co-equal branch of government. it has no respect for the people of california. this is a president who would call in military. troops against the. >> wishes of. >> our own government. when it would only inflame the matter. and now this and now. this terrible abuse. >> of. this wonderful. >> public servant. one of the things that i treasure about the us senate is you can come from anywhere, you can start from anywhere, and you can end up in the us senate. and no one better embodies that part of the american dream and the dream of our democracy than alex padilla. that's right. and there he is going to this press conference to advocate for those who are most vulnerable, to ask the questions that need to be

answered, like, what is the basis under the law or constitution to over the objection of the governor to federalize the guard, to be used against our own people in california? what is the lawful basis, if any, for that action? and if not, what should the consequences be? i understand why secretary noem doesn't want to answer these questions because she can't. but it is alex padilla's job to ask those questions and to demand those answers. and we are proud of him. we are proud of him. we are proud of his courage and his steadfastness and his vigorous representation of the people of california. and we cherish his voice, and we will not let this stand. >> thank you. >> democratic leader jeffries. >> the trump. >> administration is a disgrace. secretary noem is a disgrace. the man handling of senator alex

padilla was a complete and total disgrace. senator padilla is a good man, a decent man, a patriotic man and a hardworking man. he's the very embodiment of what a united states senator. should represent in this great country of ours, anchored in the principle of self-government. he was at that. >> press. >> conference doing his job, asking questions about what is taking place in california, the state that he represents, and on behalf of the american people. and he was recklessly and aggressively manhandled. that was unacceptable. it was unconscionable. it was unpatriotic. it's un-american. and every. >> single person watching an impromptu press conference on capitol hill with the junior senator from california, adam schiff, and hakeem jeffries, we're going to turn now to the host of the independent independent americans podcast and founder and ceo of

independent veterans of america, paul rieckhoff. lieutenant general mark hertling is still with us. general, i want to start with you, because the backdrop of all of this, of course, is increased tensions over the deployment of these military forces in a civilian venue to los angeles. and i understand that you have experience training forces in the type of tactics, in the type of crowd control operations, protection of federal buildings they might be doing in los angeles. can you explain to us how that works and how you transition a force like the national guard or the marines into this kind of facility? go ahead. >> yeah, we're talking about a mission set called military support to civilian authorities, national guard soldiers normally have it as part of their mission set, but truthfully, it's not trained that that often because they know as part of a state guard unit that they may have to go in with riot control,

protection of federal buildings and those kind of things. like we've seen national guard soldiers do. i've trained soldiers at both our national training center in california, which coincidentally, is right across the road and down the street on the interstate from 29 palms, where the marines came from, in the middle of the mojave desert. i've also trained soldiers to go into kosovo to use these kind of tactics against rioters and people who are trying to disturb the peace, so it's it takes a lot, truthfully. and i watched secretary hegseth in some of hi, some of his hearing today, and he refused to answer some of the key questions that one of several of the senators were asking them about something called the rule of the use of force, something the national guard calls rough. that's what you use when you're dealing with civilians, because you don't want to escalate situations. you don't want to use your weapon to

really intimidate. you want to make sure de-escalation is the key to any kind of riot control or civilian deterioration in these kind of circumstances, very different from rules of engagement which soldiers and marines use in combat, of when to pull the trigger, when to kill the enemy. so the marines that went through this training, as courtney said, had a lot of training to do. and it's a tough situation because you're facing off against your fellow citizens, and you certainly don't want to intimidate or or cause them to escalate the situation. you actually want to calm the situation. it's very different than combat. and secretary hegseth was asked that multiple times. i think that was one of the questions that senator padilla was going to ask secretary noem is what how are we going to keep our citizens safe with this many untrained soldiers or poorly trained

soldiers on our streets surrounding the ice officers? so these are the kind of communications that you need to quell a crisis information in terms of what's happening, calming things down, respecting people as as senator schiff just said. so all of those factors in a riot control or a protection of civil authorities kind of mission set is very different than combat. and that's the kind of answers that some of the people are asking or asking to, to have the government answer, but at the same time, they're even questioning, why are we having this amount of force? as you said earlier, 4000 national guardsmen, 700 marines more than what's in syria and iraq right now, more than what was at the high point of our deployments or the latter part of our deployments to afghanistan. all of those things are important questions to be asked, and the government is not providing any answers.

>> paul, to that point, this is a complicated thing to train people on, especially if they've been trained in lethal force. this isn't something that can happen overnight or can it? because it seems when we were talking to courtney kube about her reporting, secretary hegseth is saying they've had this briefing, they've had this training, they have these cards allegedly with the rules of engagement. is that putting soldiers in an extremely unfair position, to have to have them make these calls on the ground in moments of action and moments of tension in unfamiliar circumstances? >> yes. because no matter how badly. trained or. >> well. trained they are, you're still putting them in an. >> extremely volatile, dangerous, and i would argue. >> unprecedented situation. >> what we're. >> seeing here with senator. was senator padilla cannot happen. it's unacceptable. >> it's outrageous. >> it's un-american. and what happens now, i. >> think is. >> really key. if kristi noem was. >> a real leader, she. >> would sit down with him and they would sit down together and they would talk to the american people and to their constituencies and. >> deescalate the situation. >> that's what we need in

moments like this from all our elected leaders. instead, what we see is a continued escalation, which. is what we're seeing with the deployment of national guard and now the deployment of the marines. >> and what. >> we're also doing is thrusting our troops in the middle of it. so is that what. our troops are going to be asked to do to people in los angeles and in texas and in other states to come all of us in this entire country need to de-escalate the situation and the very deployment of the national guard. and the active duty is escalating it. so in this moment, i'm just going to call on every leader to do what they can to deescalate the situation. i hope kristi noem will do the right thing. i'm not holding my breath, but the number one thing she could do right now is sit down with senator padilla in front of the american people and show them that they're committed to de-escalating the situation. >> i want to talk to clarify, there is a dhs, dhs statement from kristi noem. she says she did meet with secretary padilla after obviously, you know, this is not they didn't come out together. but she says there was a meeting and she was on fox news just a little while ago talking about this. and i believe we have a clip for you.

>> we were conducting a press conference to update. >> everyone on the. >> enforcement actions. >> that are ongoing. >> to bring peace to the city. >> of los angeles. >> and this man burst into the room, started lunging towards the podium, interrupting. >> me and elevating. >> his voice. >> and was stopped, did not identify himself, and was. >> removed from the room. if he had requested. a meeting, i would have loved to have sat down and had a conversation. >> with him. that coming into a. >> press conference like this is political theater. >> it's wrong, and it does a. >> disservice to this country and the people who live here. so we sat down and had a conversation. we probably disagree. >> on 90% of the topics, but. >> we agreed. >> to we exchanged phone numbers. >> we'll continue to talk and share information, and i think that's the way it should be in this country. >> now, we've not yet been able to confirm that meeting with secretary with senator padilla's team. i apologize. he spoke. he didn't talk about that particular meeting. but, general, i want to ask you, because you also were the commander of u.s. army europe. and, you know, i cover diplomacy. i've been getting an earful over the last couple of

weeks from european diplomats. i'm wondering what you're hearing from your counterparts, from people you know, from your time serving in militaries abroad, and what you think these images look like to people overseas. you know, the world is watching. the world is watching this video being rolled by. in the backdrop of that, we're preparing for a massive military parade here in d.c. what are the optics of all this, and how are they being interpreted around the world, and especially with people you served with in europe? >> yeah. coincidentally, christina, i was in sweden last week because i had been invited by the swedish defense college to talk exactly about transatlantic relationships and how they're going to go forward in this administration. but also, i was asked by many of the questioners from the nordic countries norway, sweden, denmark, finland, as well as the baltic countries estonia, latvia and lithuania. in the informal sessions, the major questions were what the heck is going on

in your country right now? so this is being viewed all over the world. this is not limited to msnbc or cnn or fox. they're seeing this repeated on cameras in our european partners and in, well, the rest of the world, truthfully. and they're confused about a country which many of these nations have put their trust in for so long, suddenly spiraling in this manner into what paul just said, a little bit of conspiracies, a lack of trust, exploding tempers, people not being able to talk to each other, a continued divisiveness between our parties. and these are topics of conversations in our european and alliance capitals. >> gentlemen, please stand by. we're going to take a quick break. we're going to continue our coverage on the latest from capitol hill and los angeles. in just a minute. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back.

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manhandled. what are the other reactions you're hearing from capitol hill? and have you heard things from republicans? >> yeah, all very good questions. i think everyone is really trying to take this in and figure out the facts, but that video is really just hard to watch. in the words of senator susan collins, who actually just spoke to someone on our team, she called this very disturbing. obviously, this is bothering not just democrats, but republicans too, in how they're trying to figure out how to respond to this. i keep looking over my shoulder because we are minutes away from hearing from speaker johnson about this. we also are waiting for members of the congressional hispanic caucus to potentially walk from the house side of the capitol to the senate, where they are expected or planned to go to the republican leader offices. about this, i'm glad you brought up schiff, because he talked to us, a smaller group of reporters before he went on the house steps, and he poked holes directly in the dhs statement saying that they didn't know that padilla was a senator, that he didn't announce himself. you can clearly see in that video as he's being pulled away, he's trying to do just that, saying

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