deal. see, if you're overpaying for car insurance go to finance.com now. >> that'll do it for us on the weekend this saturday morning. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 7:07 a.m. eastern. and be sure to follow us on social media at the weekend. msnbc, that guy who was here earlier, ali velshi well, belchi continues our coverage. ali, take it away. >> hey, good morning. it is saturday, june the 14th. we begin this morning with this quote. i want to assure you that we're going to employ every force of law to the federal government. we're going to put a stop to this. the protesters, the protesters only have one thing in mind that is to destroy, to set fires, to

building. we were very fortunate that we had the national guard in this area. had they not been there, there would have been 14 or 15 other burn outs of buildings there. the worst type of people that we harbor in america. i'll be right behind the national guard, giving your full support to use any force that's necessary. end quote, any force that's necessary against american citizens. that quote, by the way, was not president trump talking about protests in los angeles this week. it was a clip unearthed earlier this week by the writer zachary karabell. it's from a press conference in 1970. the speaker was the ohio governor, jim rhodes, explaining the decision to deploy the national guard to quell protesters at kent state university. the very next day, may 4th, 1970, members of the ohio national guard opened fire. they killed four and wounded nine. using the national guard for things the national guard is not needed for is costly, inflammatory, and, as history demonstrates, dangerous. and since activating the guard in

california last saturday, against the wishes of governor gavin newsom, donald trump has done much, much more as it relates to our country's men and women in uniform. he deployed active duty marines to los angeles. and if that's not enough military for you, come down to where dc to dc, where i am hours from now, we're going to witness a military parade in the nation's capital, a spectacle that we've grown accustomed to seeing regularly in places like north korea and other authoritarian countries, but quite infrequently here in the united states. tonight, thousands of active duty soldiers and a number of artillery tanks will make their way along constitution avenue, beginning near the lincoln memorial. now officially on paper, it's part of a celebration of the 200th anniversary, 250th anniversary of the u.s. army. but coincidentally and conveniently, it happens to be the 79th birthday of donald trump, who's been wanting to put on a big, expensive military parade like this since his first term. so now he's getting his parade, a super expensive parade for a government that's apparently all about eliminating waste, fraud,

and abuse. so right now you're probably saying, stop prattling on about this parade. i'm not going to watch it. i don't care, but you might care about this next part. i sure do. within the hour, demonstrations will begin in more than 2000 cities across the 50 states as part of the no king's mast protest movement. millions of americans are expected to take part in it. still time if you're one of them. it's intended to be a nationwide rebuke of what many people perceive to be this administration's abuses of power. that point was only underscored this week, when the president warned that protesters who disrupt this parade, quote, will be met with very big force, end quote, very big force. all of this is taking place against the backdrop of last week's protests in los angeles. at trump's order, you'll recall thousands of national guard members and hundreds of marines have been mobilized against the wishes of california's governor and other local leaders who said they had this under control. but everything is not quite as it

seems. if you only listen to the white house's version of events, or to media that parrots the white house's version of events, you'd think that la has descended into a lawless war zone. haiti after the earthquake, berlin after the war, as things were unfolding on sunday, the president posted on truth social quote, a once great american city. los angeles has been invaded and occupied by illegal aliens and criminals. end quote. he went on to allege that, quote, violent insurrectionist mobs, end quote, were attacking federal agents. stephen miller, the white house deputy chief of staff for policy and homeland security adviser, echoed that sentiment, repeatedly calling the protesters insurrectionists. this will become important later on in the show and on social media. miller commented, quote, huge swaths of the city where i was born now resembled failed third world nations. a ruptured, balkanized society of strangers. end quote. maybe he should go

back to the city that he was born in to just look at it because everything he said is not true. here's the state's lieutenant governor. >> there is no reason for the militarization of los angeles. the characterization of la as mayhem, as burning down. it is just false. it is a lie. last sunday, there were 400 people demonstrating in two different locations. that was the basis of his calling in the national guard. absolutely absurd. that threw gasoline on the fire. >> in fact, the lapd chief, jim mcdonnell, said during a news conference on sunday, quote, we can handle this. i believe we would have gone through a number of steps before we'd have deployed the national guard or requested deployment of the national guard, end quote. and it gets more absurd when you consider that the vast majority of the city was living life like normal. on saturday evening, hugh jackman, wolverine himself

held a concert at the hollywood bowl. while in another part of town, residents gathered for an outdoor screening of the film once upon a time in hollywood on monday night, apparently as the city was descending into chaos, bette held its annual awards show at the peacock theater, while the wnba teams, the la sparks and the golden state valkyries, faced off against each other at the crypto.com arena. both of those venues just blocks away from l.a. city hall, where the majority of the protests were happening. and yet the president told us it was necessary to order more troops to california than there are currently stationed in iraq and syria combined. what's the point of any of this could be to draw attention away from this administration's inept handling of the economy, of its no nonsense approach to tariffs or the president's petty feud with elon musk. or maybe it's to antagonize his detractors and provoke a situation to justify an increase in military presence in california or elsewhere in the country. the deployment of troops to la is not about the

protection of the city. perhaps it is a provocation. it didn't take long for the department of homeland security to create an ad using the worst images from the protest posted on social media, with a comment calling for the restoration of law and order, along with the number for the ice tip line that you can use to report migrants, which is kind of disgusting. historians and experts of authoritarianism have warned that this is a common tactic of strongmen. they use isolated incidents to create the pretext for a major emergency, when there simply is none. it's simply to assert their dominance and justify a power grab. the declaration of fake emergencies is the emergency, because these invented or exaggerated threats will be used to justify a real and crippling crackdown of everyone's personal rights. joining me now, julia ioffe, founding partner in washington, correspondent for puck news. i'm also joined by tom nichols,

professor emeritus of national security affairs at the u.s. naval war college and a staff writer at the atlantic, author of multiple books, including our own worst enemy the assault from within on modern democracy. welcome to both of you, friends. i appreciate you being here. julianne. let me start with you. you were writing earlier this week about how pete hegseth, the defense secretary, has talked for a long time about getting america's military back to war fighting. and yet this first key deployment has had nothing to do with warfighting. >> right? but it depends on how you define war and what war is the most important. and so far it seems that to this administration, to your point earlier, the most important war is the one we're fighting here or the one this administration wants to fight here. i think, you know, some democrats, democratic leaders have been saying this is all to distract from the budget. this is to distract from his handling of the economy. but i think you hit the nail right on the head. the point isn't to distract. the

point is this the point is the power grab. the point is to show that there will be no dissent allowed to that any dissent, any any showing of disagreement or, you know, buckling, pushing back against donald trump's authority will be met with force. that is the war that this administration wants to fight here. and i do want to say, though, if you want to compare to other dictatorships, other authoritarian, other regimes, this kind of aggression, this kind of fighting and fighting, an internal enemy rallying around the flag against an enemy, eventually you run out of enemies at home, and eventually that aggression has to go somewhere else. it has to go outside of the country's borders. and that kind of war fighting becomes not just fighting a civil war at home, but a war of aggression abroad. and you see that with a lot of authoritarian regimes, both past

and present. >> and once you once you start getting getting everybody amped up on a different role for the military, tom, it becomes tricky because americans respect their military, but they don't always know everything the military is up to. they're doing things around the world. it's kind of like a background app. it's working and that's okay. it's been a long time since we've seen what looks like the militarization of some of our cities. it's been in the 50s and the 60s, civil war, civil rights movement, vietnam. we saw some of it in 1970, kent state. but this is not typical. >> and it's something the military doesn't like to do. they don't train for it. it's not their mission. and it's also not their credo or their identity. the us military is trained and designed to fight away games to protect american citizens at home. we're an expeditionary force. ameriorce e send people to places to the bad

guys before they get here. that's why we have a navy and a coast guard. you know, it's why the army and the marines are are expeditionary. what donald trump really wants to do is to acclimate people to seeing the military in the streets. you know, it was a shock the, the when i was thinking of your historical examples, i was thinking of la in 92. it was a real shock to the to the american public to see marines. and there was serious there were serious trouble in 92. but this is meant to cause trouble, not to end trouble. and i think that's something people really have to understand, is that donald trump isn't militarizing the streets of los angeles because he wants everything to be quiet. he's doing it so that he can draw people out into a fight that then rationalizes his use of force, and then gets people accustomed to that deployment of force so he can do it in other cities. los angeles is just a proof of concept, and he picked it because it's an

easy case. it's a diverse city. it's a very blue city. he knew people would be furious and they would come out and they would do dumb things, you know, that he they could then catch on film. as you pointed out, the ads are already out there. i, i tried to i wrote about that and i begged people not to give trump that video, but they did. so, you know, this won't end with los angeles. he's looking to do this again, and he's looking to do it on days that are not just his birthday. he's looking to do it on days that i think are closer to election day. >> and, julia, this is an important point because while he's been asked directly about invoking the insurrection act and he hasn't, he's been not clear on whether he will or won't. donald trump and his deputies have been using the term insurrection an awful lot and softening everybody up. and once that insurrection act is invoked, if it's invoked, it's not an la specific thing. it means that this kind of federal government and military authority can be used anywhere

in the country. >> well, these guys would know from insurrection, right? having staged one in january 6th, 2021, and then gaslighted everyone, even though everybody saw it unfolding live on tv on their phones. now, we've been told that actually that was peaceful protesters, peaceful tourists to the capitol, and there was nothing to see here. but this what we're seeing on a couple of blocks in la, including, by the way, or not, including in stephen miller's hometown of santa monica, california, one of the richest parts of the country, that this is actually an insurrection. but i think we're getting kind of lost here. whether he invokes the insurrection act or not is not really what matters. and you don't want to be kind of a menshevik about this. you don't want to be focused on process and the rules. the point is, as tom said, is the conflict is the fight. and if you think back to

the maga movement and how it's been built over the last decade, it is all about conflict. it is all about open conflict, aggression, about hating somebody else, that it's all somebody else's fault. it's the fake news. it's the it's the migrants. it's the one trans kid in your tri state area that's playing on a sport team. right. it's all about outward aggression, which is why i say this isn't going to stay contained, likely to our country's borders for very long. but i think, again, this is just about the conflict itself. because when you're in conflict, when you're in a war, whether or whether it's in a sports game, which is a kind of tame conflict or in a war, you're not thinking about what's wrong with your side, you're not thinking about, oh, well, is our our economy okay? is do we like what dear leader is doing? you're you're just thinking about fighting, winning, killing. right. it's

all about getting about consolidating power, consolidating control. >> or tom, it's also about scaring some people. right? it's the idea that don't don't come out and protest today in these 2000 plus rallies around the country, because you could just find yourself in a, in a, in a mess, in a problem. again, there. i've covered protests for close to 30 years. there's always a group in the protest that doesn't follow rules and doesn't do things, but the rest of the people are just, you know, practicing their first amendment rights, which we fought for hard in this country. do you have a sense of how any of this affects today, this day in which we are likely to see millions of people coming out to protest, hopefully quite peacefully, across this country? >> i think the protests are a great idea. i think peaceful protests in cities across the country, you know, where people exercise, as the first amendment puts it, their right to assemble peaceably and petition the government for redress of

grievances is an absolutely great idea. and there will be stupid people who will do stupid things. but that's what that's what police forces are and state cops are for. and i think most of these are going to be fine. and i think it's great. counter-programming i want to take i want to take a little bit of a descent on the insurrection act to look at this from a military point of view. if trump manages to invoke a legal rationale and nobody stops him, it doesn't get stopped in congress or the courts or anywhere else he's going to have. he's going to instantly win the argument with anybody in the military who feels uncomfortable about this, because it will be the law of the land, and it won't be this gray, kind of smoggy area like we saw in california, where he activates the guard. and then there's a lawsuit, and now he's been told, i guess monday will will get further arguments on this about returning the guard to the governor if he pulls off the insurrection act, which, of course, they thought about during the actual, as julian points out, the actual

insurrection, that that almost short circuited the constitutional processes of the united states, then that's going to trigger a whole bunch of requirements, including for the military and the chain of command, to have to execute those orders so that it's the when he talks about that stuff that's he's really playing with fire. but as for the protests today, i think i think that's a great idea. and i think it's great to honor the army. it's their 250th birthday. but you don't have to tune into a parade that donald trump has basically and turned into a birthday celebration for himself. >> i'm going to ask you both to just stay there for a moment. i'm going to take a quick break. i'll continue the conversation after the break. however, we do have some breaking news to bring you. two state lawmakers in minnesota have been shot along with one of the lawmakers spouses and what officials say are targeted attacks. this morning, both lawmakers were shot at their homes. police believe the suspect, who remains at large, was posing as a law

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prowess? we seem to be missing the strategic point here. >> well, i don't think the world needs a parade to know what capabilities the u.s. has. i think the world knows that we're quite strong and lethal when we choose to be. but again, that's not what this parade is about. this parade is about donald trump. this is not about the world. it has. i mean, this parade will do nothing to calm what seems to be a blossoming war between iran and israel, for example. and while the middle east is on fire, we're having this parade in washington. i mes actually a moment where the us military or the threat of the us military or the coercive effect of the us military could be put to work to sort of let russia know, to ease things up, to cool things down in the middle east. but we don't seem to be as concentrated on that as i prefer that we are. oh i think tom,

you're muted, but it sounds it looks good. whatever it is you're saying. >> sorry, sorry. this administration is totally internally focused. it's about grievance, revenge, getting even with your perceived enemies. you know, redistributing money internally from trump's voters to wealthy to really wealthy people. but it also shows you that that list you just read about ali, about, you know, gaza and iran and so on, it shows you the degree to which the united states and its president have been reduced to being bystanders in international affairs, that, you know, the trump said, i was totally in on this. i, you know, this clever ruse, you know, when in fact, reporting by my colleagues in the atlantic pointed out that that he called he talked to netanyahu last week and said, please don't do this. and, you know, basically

netanyahu said, thank you for your interest in national security and hung up the phone and went on with the war. that's that's been the pattern. i mean, people just don't because you can't take donald trump seriously. donald trump says he's going to threaten tariffs and then he backs off. donald trump says he's going to threaten, you know, putin is playing with fire and then he backs off. he's not interested. he doesn't understand foreign affairs. he's not interested in it, other than as pageantry for himself, unless it involves, you know, gifts of 747 and, you know, big receptions in his honor. none of this stuff makes any sense to him. and this is a really dangerous time not to have a functioning white house, not to have a real secretary of defense, not to have a brave secretary of state. i mean, this is this is a terrible time in history to really have, you know, the amateurs and the sycophants running things. >> we're looking at live pictures. we're going to show you these all day, but we're

looking live pictures from greenville, south carolina, of one of the more than 2000 no kings protests that are set to begin shortly. yeah, yeah, tom, maybe the administration doesn't know as much about foreign affairs as it should, but you two certainly do. and that's why i appreciate you both being here. julia ioffe is a founding partner and washington correspondent for puck. tom nichols is a staff writer for the atlantic and a professor emeritus at the us naval war college. the author of multiple books, including our own worst enemy the assault from within on modern democracy. important conversation. we'll be having a lot of those through the course of the day coming up. as i said, in a few hours, thousands of troops, dozens of tanks and aircraft are going to roll through washington, d.c, for a military parade hosted by president trump. but i need to remind you of some things that trump has said about the military in the past, said john mccain wasn't a war hero because he was captured. he reportedly called americans who died in war suckers and losers. and there's much more to that. also, we await minnesota governor tim walz's news conference on a series of shootings this morning targeting state lawmakers in minnesota. we'll bring you that live ahead.

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spouse of one of them takes all of the discussion we've been having about rhetoric and things heating up in this country to, to a different level, if this is politically motivated. >> well, look, there's no question we've become a very violent country. you know, i used to talking policy on on weapons. half the country's armed. 5% are nuts. we've had a lot of vitriol, political talk that accentuates the danger to the republic from the maga group. so i'm not surprised that we will see more of this. what bothers me the most, though, is that the notion that the protest would focus on our armed forces. these young men and women are here to protect the country, not to internally police the country. so we've got a developing situation that's rife with peril. 250th birthday of the united states army. and we got 18 miles of fencing up to

keep the citizens away from the parade. tragic situation. >> general. stay right there. i want to bring in david shulkin. he's a former secretary of the united states department of veterans affairs during the trump administration. he's the author of it shouldn't be this hard to serve your country a broken government and the plight of veterans. secretary shulkin, thank you for being here again. you and i are here to talk about something else today, but we're going to put that aside for the moment, because we are hearing and we're waiting for an update from governor walz of minnesota about more of this. but the initial reports, again, governor walz is experienced. he's been in a he's been the governor of that state for a while. he ran for vice president. he doesn't tend to be loose with his words. he is talking about the idea that this this may be well, not maybe he's calling it targeted. these are two different lawmakers at two different homes, plus, the spouse of one of the lawmakers shot. so we do not know who's responsible for these shootings. but the governor is characterizing this

as targeted. tell me your thoughts on this. well. >> first of all, i know governor walz very well. he's an army veteran himself, and i'm sure that he's taking this extremely seriously. but ali today is turning into, unfortunately, a tragic day. and this is a day where all of the complexity of american society is being seen. we have political violence now in minnesota. we have americans across the country exercising their constitutional rights to free speech. we have a celebration of our absolutely terrific military, the army today and those people all taking their own constitutional oaths to protect this country. and then we have the president in washington who at times can view the military and these types of parades more as a prop than anything else. and using it political messaging. so we have today on display just such a wide variety of things happening

across this country. and i certainly hope that this does not turn out to be as tragic in minnesota as it looks like it may be. >> yeah. we're trying we're getting we're getting various reporting in which we are working very hard to confirm. leader. house democratic leader hakeem jeffries has posted the names of the two representatives in minneapolis who he said have been shot. we do not, do not have that confirmed ourselves but ourselves. but we're working on this as we speak. general mccaffrey, at this point, there is a role when things like this happen. and again, the police and the fbi are saying these two shootings are likely to be connected, but we don't know when things like this happen. these are moments for the president of the united states to come in and, and calm sentiment. if we have targeted political shootings, that is a role for the president of the

united states. unfortunately, everything we've seen in the last week and the last three months suggests that's not a role that this president thinks is important to him. in fact, when we go back to january 6th, we remember he had a moment. he had an opportunity to come out there and stop, and everybody had to beg him to do it. and he finally did it fairly halfheartedly. hours into the insurrection. >> well, clearly, there's been a lawless nature to this administration from the start. i mean, sometimes it's obvious, like birthright citizenship, which is in the constitution. other times it's been a sort of a provocative nature of everything is conflict. the good news in most of the country is it's local law enforcement, state law enforcement. they're very professional people. they're very capable. this latest alleged two shootings. i don't know if there are murders or where they've just injured will be investigated rapidly. they'll find out who did it. they'll be brought to a system of justice. but i think your

concern is an appropriate one. look, you know, today's a parade in washington, d.c, where the whole thing seems set up for confrontations that have a focus on the 250 years of the united states army to protect this country, to end slavery, to bring down nazi and nazi forces in europe, to respond to nine over 11. so, you know, the country is on angry over every issue that comes up. >> there's an opportunity, as we speak, secretary shulkin, and that is that there are probably going to be millions of americans on the streets today to protest certain policies of the trump administration. but in fact, this may be an opportunity if we are entering a new era of political violence, to say no to that, to, to be able to say this is not the america we're in. and if the president is not going to be prepared to lead that that

effort to calm things down in this country, maybe the american people can. >> yeah. i heard your comments right before your show and i couldn't agree with you more. this is the time for the american people to speak up, and the american people have to demonstrate that they're able to peacefully protest that violence is not the way to be able to make your point over somebody else. this country is way too divided, and both sides need to calm the rhetoric down and begin to start with the shared visions and the shared values that we have. and we see this in the context of the geopolitical events happening. and now we see this increasingly as domestic events. and this is the time for leadership. we need our elected officials. but this really does belong to the people. so i hope that today across the country, people express themselves, but they do it peacefully. >> i'm going to ask you both to hang out there. i want to just bring our viewers up to speed

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walz very shortly. two state lawmakers have been shot, along with one of the lawmakers spouses, in what officials are calling a targeted attack. this morning, we're going to keep an eye there. you can see somebody walked out at that podium. both lawmakers have been identified by u.s. house minority leader hakeem jeffries. he says that they are state senator john hoffman and state representative and former speaker emerita melissa hortman. they were shot at their h suspects remain at large or were posing as law enforcement officers and are armed and dangerous. don't know whether it's single, singular or plural. we don't have this information. we are working to get it. governor tim walz is going to be bringing bringing he's going to be bringing us some comments. in just a moment. i'm going to bring in rob damico, former fbi special agent. rob, i just want to tell our viewers that the names that we've been given by

hakeem jeffries, the state senator, john hoffman, is 60 years old. he is a democrat. the state representative, melissa hortman, is 55 years old and a democrat. we don't know if they're connected. the fbi is involved in this and they're trying to figure this out. we also don't know if anybody is in custody. >> yeah, this one, they're going to have to quickly surmise. >> if it was one person. >> if it was two. >> if it was planned, if and the time frame to really look into this because it could be dangerous figuring out what these two have connected to prompt them both to be shot. did they both vote on a bill? did they both have a stance on something? was it something that they can determine so that they can start looking for maybe the next step on something? >> this is this idea of and you and i talk about this a lot, rob, when they say something is targeted, that tends to be a piece of information you would think the governor is going to be careful about before he says

it. what does that what do you mean? what do you hear when you say targeted attack? >> so like i said, this isn't happenstance that two, you know, senators, state senators were shot. so you have to assume that it was in targeted, that they were actually picked out to do this, to be shot. so when you're now quickly trying to see if there's others that have the same, like i said, if they had voted some collectively on a bill, if they had some stance that may have them targeted, was anyone else now being under threat? obviously, they're going to probably put police on a bunch of the state senators for safety until they can start weeding down what may have caused this targeted operation. >> and when. >> the hearing is. >> go ahead. >> yeah. figuring out how many were involved, was it one person or a team of two that went sequentially, or did it happen at the same time, which would

show more planning and more people involved than just if it was one person did it and then went to the other location? >> let me ask you this, rob. let's go to governor tim walz of minnesota right now. he's going to give us some information. please stand. >> thank you for being here. >> in a moment, you'll. >> hear from law enforcement officials. >> who will share with. >> you what they can as up to minute update on the situation here in minnesota. you're going to be joined by. >> commissioner bob. >> jacobson. >> bca superintendent drew evans, state. >> patrol colonel. christina bogojevic, champlin park police. >> chief snyder. >> and brooklyn park police chief mark bruley, as well as the mayor of brooklyn park. >> we're here today because an unspeakable tragedy has unfolded in minnesota. my good friend and colleague, speaker melissa and her husband, mark, were shot and killed early this morning in what appears to be a politically motivated assassination. our state lost a great leader and i lost a dearest of friends. speaker hortman was someone who served the people of minnesota

with grace, compassion, humor, and a sense of service. she was a formidable public servant, a fixture, and a giant in minnesota. she woke up every day determined to make this state a better place. she is irreplaceable and will be missed by so many minnesotans. thoughts and prayers are with her family, her loved ones, her children and her parents. my prayers also go out to state senator john hoffman and his wife yvette, who were each shot multiple times. the hoffman's are out of surgery at this time and receiving care, and we are cautiously optimistic, optimistic they will survive this assassination attempt. this was an act of targeted political violence, peaceful discourse is the foundation of our democracy. we don't settle our differences with violence or at gunpoint in the state of minnesota. and as

recently as last week, in the most closely divided state legislature in the country, we sat down, we worked things out. we debated, we shook hands and compromised, and we served the state of minnesota together. we proved that it's possible, even in these politically charged times, to find compromise and adhere to the principles of democracy and civil discourse. we must all minnesota and across the country, stand against all forms of political violence. at this precipice moment we're on. this tragic act here in minnesota should serve as a reminder to all of us that democracy and the debates in the halls of congress, in state houses, in school boards, is a way to settle our differences peacefully and move society to a better place. we're collaborating with all local,

state and federal agencies on a full investigation. we're committed to keeping minnesotans informed as the situation continues. i assure you that those held, those responsible for this will be held accountable, and each and every one of us are committed to making sure that a tragedy like this never repeats itself in minnesota or across this country. i'd now like to turn it over to my public safety team. to fill you in on the specifics of this ongoing investigation. >> thank you. >> thank you, governor, and thank you, everyone, for being here today. my name is drew evans, and i'm the superintendent at the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension. i want to start by just expressing our deepest sympathies to the communities, the family, the friends and everybody that cared about the individuals that were gunned down. today, when we have individuals like this and our

political leadership, they're not only political leaders, but they're members of the community, well known members of the community, that the tragedy in a situation like this is not only for them, their friends and families, but us collectively, the communities. they represent us as a state of minnesota as a whole. about 2 a.m. this morning, there was an original call in the city of champlin, where there was an individual that had shot senator hoffman and his wife. police responded to that location. they were dealing with that and working through that process overnight. and then later on, at approximately 335, that another call came in when it was officers proactively checking because they knew of the incident that occurred and they were going to check on a speaker hortman at that time, at which time brooklyn park police officers encountered them, individual who immediately fired at them and they exchanged gunfire. and then the individual was able to escape during that exchange of gunfire at the

residence and champlin, there was life saving measures that were provided there. both individuals were transported, as was previously noted, and they both received surgeries for their injuries at the h conditis time. both those individuals, senator hoffman and his wife are both alive at this time, but they suffered gunshot wounds and are obviously in a difficult situation. but we're cautiously optimistic that they will continue to improve at this time. it is a very active scene. still, as you've seen, the brooklyn park police department, along with other members, the hennepin county sheriff's office, state patrol, fbi, bci and many others are actively engaged in a manhunt for the individual that we believe is responsible for this. and so we'll be sharing that identity with those individuals as this progresses. but i'm going to caution you, i know there's going to be a ton of interest in this. we're not at the position we can do that as we're actively

searching for that individual right now. just as noted, we're have teams, and the county sheriff's office in champlin are working at the scene there that occurred there. and then we are also, as we're stabilizing this between brooklyn park working on the homicide investigation with brooklyn park police. the bca, fbi is assisting there as well and will be conducting crime scene investigation there. and then the individuals that were killed will be doing autopsies of those individuals to determine the extent of their injuries and how they passed away. but it was from gunshot wounds. at this time, i will answer questions after commissioner public safety bob jacobson speaks, but we'll be happy to take a few questions. >> thank you. superintendent evans. >> my name is bob jacobson. >> it's my honor to serve as the commissioner of public. >> safety. >> for the state of minnesota. this is a dark. >> day today. >> for minnesota and for democracy. but we will not allow

fear or violence to define who we are or how we move forward. we will stand together and we will stand strong. our hearts, of course, go out to the victims, their families, their colleagues at the capitol and to the communities that they serve with dedication and with integrity. these are our public servants, leaders who committed their lives to improving the lives of others. and they were targeted in a violent and cowardly way. the suspect exploited the trust of our uniforms that our uniforms are meant to represent. that betrayal is deeply disturbing to those of us who wear the badge with honor and responsibility. we want to reassure the public that there is increased security

in place for elected officials and others who may be at risk. if you see anything suspicious, especially involving individuals impersonating law enforcement, please report it immediately by calling 911 or your local police department. with that, i'll step back and we will be available for any questions. thank you. reminder please. if you ask the first questions, please don't forget to introduce yourselves and your organization and to. >> the to the answering the questions. please don't forget to repeat the question. >> for. >> so can you say it one more time? so you were just going to proactively check on supreme court and then case there encountered the gunman or someone with a gun and exchanged gunfire. can we just go over that one more time please? >> i can good morning. >> police chief mark bruley, brooklyn park police department. the question is, how did we get to representative. hartman's house? and it was proactively or

not, the circumstances that unfolded in brooklyn park this morning is that we assisted the champlin police department on a shooting. that shooting was made aware by one of our sergeants that it was at senator hoffman's home. and hearing that that very intuitive sergeant asked our officers to go check on melissa hartman's home representative that lives in our community, just proactively as due diligence to swing by, that police officer and his partner pulled down the street. when they arrived at melissa's house, they noticed that there was a police vehicle in the driveway with the lights, emergency lights on, and what appeared to be a police officer at the door coming out of the house. when our officers confronted him, the individual immediately fired upon the officers who exchanged gunfire, and the suspect retreated back to the home. was this. >> was this an. actual police officer. >> or the first police officer? >> yes. the question is, was it a real person or a person personating impersonating a police officer? it was not a real police officer. this is

somebody that clearly had been impersonating a police officer. again, using the trust of this badge and this uniform to manipulate their way into the home. >> so to truly care about the person not only was wearing a badge posing as a police officer when they approached their victims, they had a car with lights and sirens. >> yes, the question is how? what kind of vehicle? how are they dressed? they did drive a vehicle that looked exactly like an suv squad car. it was equipped with lights, emergency lights that looked exactly like a police vehicle. and yes, they were wearing a vest with taser. other equipment that would a badge very similar to mine that no question, if they were in this room, you would assume that they are a police officer. can you. >> describe the moments after that played out? he said the person went into the home. and then can you help us understand the next ten, 15 minutes of how we got from where we're at now?

>> yeah, briefly. although i'm just going to remind us that this is an absolute an active investigation. we have thousands of people sheltered in place in the city of brooklyn park right now. we are in an extensive manhunt involving hundreds and hundreds of police officers and swat teams searching, gridding off areas as we believe confidently that the suspect had fled out the back of the house after being confronted by the police very briefly after the officers had exchanged gunfire and the suspect retreated into melissa's home, they immediately went up to the threshold and looked in and seen a male that was down clearly had been struck by gunfire. they made limited penetration, grabbed ahold of the male and drug him out to safety to attempt first aid. however, he was pronounced dead shortly after that. at that point, the officers surrounded the house, got additional resources and swat resources, and then ultimately went in with a drone. identifying a female in the home. part of the scenes. i would say, somewhere around 5 or

6 miles apart. >> how much do you know about the person that was impersonating an officer who allegedly shot these people? did they knock on the door and people came to the door, or did they break into the home? >> yeah, it was it was knocking on the door and asking the person to come out. absolutely. impersonating a police officer. we do have the suspect's car. suspect is on foot. that is what the large scale search is currently going on. i just remind residents of brooklyn park, i know it's been a long time, but those that are in the grid that we gave the alert out to continue to shelter in place, we're also reminding them that if somebody comes to the door and they knock on the door and claiming to be a police officer, please do a couple things. one, call nine one and confirm that the officer belongs there. if they are police officer, dispatch will be able to confirm that that person's a police officer. also, we've informed all our officers in brooklyn park that they are not to approach anybody by themselves or approach in pairs, meaning two officers. so if there's only one officer outside the door, do not answer the door and call 911. if it's a brooklyn park police officer or any of our

partners that are assisting, they will come in pairs of two or more. someone i'm sorry, one at a time. >> do you know anything about and say things like, senator hoffman. >> we do know that he did, but i'm going to hold that back as part of the investigation right now. >> is that correct? >> this is a very large scale search. so we have detained several people and questioned them, but we do not have anybody in custody at this time. >> would identify that person publicly or privately identify this suspect. >> we have people of interest that we are looking for. >> other than that, these are two democratic lawmakers. is there anything else to suggest that this is politically motivated? >> again, i'm going to hold back most of the information. this is part of the investigation to be completed. this is rapidly evolving. just occurred a few hours ago, and we're trying to sort it out. we have partners from the fbi, the bca, the hennepin county sheriff's office, and