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hylton and catherine rampell, and we are following breaking news out of minnesota, where there is a manhunt underway for the suspect in the fat shooting of. of state senator john hoffman and his wife. footage from our local station shows law enforcement searching the home of the suspect, now officially identified. >> as. >> 57 year old vance luther belcher. >> do not approach him. you should consider him armed and dangerous, and you should call 911 immediately with the information. we still don't know if additional people are involved. >> now, both. >> attacks occurred. >> in the lawmaker's. >> home, and officials say the suspect impersonated a law enforcement officer wearing a vest, blue long sleeve shirt and what looked like. >> a badge. >> here's minnesota governor tim walz on the events that shattered his state early this morning. >> my good friend and colleague,

speaker melissa, and her husband, mark, were shot and killed early this morning in what appears to be a politically motivated assassination. our state lost a great leader and i lost a dearest of friends. >> all right. joining us now. >> nbc's maggie. >> vespa, live from minnesota, retired. >> fbi special agent rob, rob d'amico. and with us here on set, former secret service special agent abby. maggie, i'll start with you. bring us up to speed on the investigation in this manhunt and where things stand at. >> this hour. >> yeah, basically, as we're speaking right now, the manhunt, as you can imagine, continues an incredibly urgent manhunt across the area. the last update that we got from authorities was that they were pleading with the public if they see belcher, 57 year old vance belcher, at any point not to approach him, but to call 911 right away, reminding people of showing those photos that you showed of him in the cowboy hat and giving out that latest description, but also reminding people that he could be dressed as law

enforcement when they see him. they were going door to door in this area, asking people to only answer the door to police if they saw two or more officers coming to their home at once, meaning they were not going to go just one officer at a time, do a home knowing how scared people were. once the details came out. they believe belcher impersonated a police officer during these shootings. i want to point out we are just down the street from senator hoffman's home. we didn't really want to be. as you can imagine, right up on the home, just basically at this sensitive hour. but we're standing, frankly, in the front lawn of a neighbor. his name is clarence schaefer, and he's a retired electrician who says he was up really late last night, as he tends to be. he's just kind of a night owl. when he heard the shots ring out just a half a block down a neighbor's home. here's what he just told us moments ago about what he heard early this morning. >> i heard. >> pow pow. >> pow pow. >> pow.

>> and i went. >> that's not. a frigging car backfiring. >> i said, that sounded. >> like gunshots. i'm talking. >> to myself. and i. >> got up and i went to the patio door here, and i looked out. >> opened it up. >> i didn't see anything. >> but then all at once i seen a black. dark black car. >> backing out of. >> the hoffman's. >> driveway. >> and as he backed out, he turned his headlights on and put his the police lights on. and i thought. >> what the heck. >> is a cop leaving the scene after the gunshots? >> so knowing what we know now, i asked him, did you think that was suspicious? did you get a weird gut feeling? did you call 911? and he said no, because i thought that was police. he said, i saw that car just like everybody else. and we've heard this from law enforcement officials. they believe that senator hoffman and his wife and representative hortman and her husband came to the door believing this was law enforcement, because all the context clues were there,

including that car. cut to clarence says ten minutes later, suddenly this area was swarming with police officers. he said a police officer, because he came outside, shined a flashlight in his face and saying, hey, did you hear anything? see anything? do you live around here? which one's your house? and when he told the police officer, yeah, i saw a police officer. what looked like one leaving the scene, he said the actual police officer thought he was making it up. he didn't understand what he was talking about. what do you mean? you saw police officer leaving the scene, and he said it wasn't until a second neighbor came out of their house and said, yeah, i saw the same thing, kind of almost saying, like, one of you was already here. that's when he said it seemed to click for law enforcement, and they started radioing in that the person who was here appeared to be, for all intents and purposes, law enforcement. that's what really got the ball rolling. that's also what we now know, according to officials, what got local law enforcement over by representative portman's house to just go check on her to see how things were there, knowing

another elected official lived in the area. and that's when law enforcement says they briefly got into a shootout with the suspect who was still there. he took off on foot. and that's when officials say this manhunt began again. this was all in the early morning hours, like almost 24 hours ago. here we are. this suspect, who has now been id'd as 57 year old vance belcher, is still on the run. and, guys, i'll just leave you with this. our affiliate care here in minneapolis talked to one of belcher's roommates who says belcher sent at least two roommates that are living with him at the time. right now, a text message part of it. and he read this on camera, read, quote, i may be dead shortly, so i just want to let you guys let you know that i love you guys both, and i wish it hadn't gone this way. he went on to say, i don't want to say anything more and implicate you in any way, because you guys don't know anything about this. but i love you guys and i'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused.

again, that's according to a roommate who lives with the suspect again, 57 year old vance belcher. still on the run at this time. guys, authorities told us they're not planning any more press conferences for tonight. if and when they do have an update to give us presuming people hoping that they're able to track belcher down and bring him into custody, they say they'll give about a 30 minute warning to the media and the public that they have something to tell us. but for now, radio silence. as this manhunt continues, we'll send it back to you. >> abby, i am curious, just given your experience here and listening to the reporting maggie just shared with us how unprecedented. how dangerous is this right now? >> what's interesting. >> is when you look at assassinations or assassination attempts with protectees, they're usually in motion. it's they're going to an event. they're shaking hands, moving in and out of cars. and often when they have protection details, it's not a president or somebody very high in the threat level. usually when they bring them

home and they tuck them in, that's when it's like, okay, they're home, they're safe. so that to me is very new. you usually don't see anybody having being that brazen to go to the person's house to do that. >> now, as. >> far as police, you know, him imitating police, you having a police car, that's not that part is not that uncommon or surprising to me. sometimes when we do events, we would hear, hey, you know, things were stolen, be on the lookout for somebody. you have people, too, who just naturally want to put on the image that they're police buffs, so they try. >> to. >> pretend they're police. so as far as let's break down his vehicle, where could he have gotten his vehicle? he can order some. >> of that. >> stuff online. >> people put that stuff together, make it look like a police car. it's not that difficult. you can actually even purchase old police vehicles, and you probably seen them on the road and you think, was that a police car? and they actually sell them. so that's that part with the vehicle. so that leads you to believe what he probably spent a long time putting this plan together and this vehicle together. as far as the uniform, if it's the navy uniform that

you wear, i was former nypd. when you go to those places to purchase police uniforms, they usually check for ids. make sure your you are who you say you are. but if you work in security, a lot of those uniforms look very similar. you get a badge, you put a couple of patches on, and if it's in the middle of the night, 2 a.m. and you're waking up and you're kind of half asleep, i mean, it really looks extremely legitimate. rob right now, obviously the suspect is still on the run. what would law enforcement be doing at this point to try to track him down? >> they're probably interviewing family and other members, his roommates, to figure out if he goes to some place, if he has a place that he hunts, a fishing cabin, something or relatives that he may go to, he needs some type of support system, though he has planned this out far enough that he may have that already put out, that he has a place that he put supplies in. it did probably throw him off that he wasn't getting back into his own vehicle. i think that's

probably surprised him that the police were on to the next target that quick, and then he had to go by foot. so that could have really, you know, kind of messed his plan up of how he was going to get out of the area, but he's probably out of the area now. they may know how he got out or he may not, but now it just extends that search out so much further. so they're they're looking for clues at where he may go to or where he was. they're probably looking at cell data to figure out where his cell phone was over the last couple of weeks, and trying to figure out if he's in one place or another, more that they may start going to look for rob. >> you know, i've. >> been watching you all day. >> on msnbc, providing analysis and. commentary as this. >> investigation and manhunt unfolds. >> does it get. >> harder with every. passing hour that he is on the run. >> or does it from. >> a law. enforcement perspective or a manhunt perspective, increase the odds that he gets caught, that he might get. >> tired.

>> that he. >> he's going to have to fall. >> asleep at some point. >> that somebody may. >> spot him, that he may leave some crumbs, or does it become harder for law enforcement. >> with every. >> passing hour? >> it definitely. i think it gets harder just because of the area that you're now can consider him at. one clue though, one one place if you know what vehicle he has. if you know the cell phone gets a hit, it can then really focus them. but what you said about him getting tired, so there's just one of him. he's got to rest. the adrenaline spike of him doing the action and then later coming down off of that is dramatic and he's going to get tired. so he if he found a place to hold up and get some rest and get some food, that helps. but he's very paranoid now. everywhere he goes, he's going to think, oh, that person knows who i am. that person knows who i am. unless he's in a rural area. if he is and he doesn't have supplies, that's going to again, put pressure on it. and

that's what we talk about keeping pressure on. you always want the fugitive to think that you're right on his tail and that you have lots of assets out there, because that's when he's going to make a mistake. but one instant, if he has to carjack a car, if he has to do something that will focus all the police from a large area down to a small one, and then the pressure really gets, gets immense on him. >> maggie vespa. >> rob d'amico and abby, thank you so much. coming up, congresswoman kelly morrison will be joining us with how the minnesota delegation is mourning their colleagues in the state legislature. our special legislature. our special co ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ [sigh] ok, here's what you want to do. save hundreds when liberty mutual customizes your car insurance. are you a caddy? i'm a doug. and that's a limu. [limu squawk] ok, i'm gonna putt now... ok, i'm gonna watch you putt. [laughter] nice birdie! yes...he's a very nice birdie.

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write, quote, today we speak with one voice to express our outrage, grief and condemnation of this horrible attack on public servants. there is no place in our democracy for politically motivated violence. we're going to bring in now congresswoman kelly morrison. she's a minnesota democrat. she worked with both representative melissa hortman and senator john hoffman. >> for. >> six years in the minnesota state legislature. congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us on this sad evening. how are you and your colleagues holding up right now? >> well. >> thank you. you know. >> we're really in shock still and grieving. >> here in minnesota. we lost. >> a real giant in minnesota politics. and melissa hortman, she was. >> well, i think. >> will go. >> down in history. >> as one of the most consequential. >> speakers of the minnesota house. just a unique figure. salt of. >> the earth person. beloved by everyone. honestly, she. >> was respected on both. sides

of the aisle. she was tough and. >> gritty. >> the smartest person in the room. >> but you'd never know it because she. >> was very. >> unassuming, >> kind, funny, just a. >> really unique person. >> and we are. >> devastated by this. >> tremendous loss. >> congresswoman, this level of violence. what does it tell you about the state of our country right now? and what do you think the message needs to be at this moment? >> you know, i've. >> been thinking. >> about melissa. >> of course, all day long. >> and i think. >> about her work ethic. you know, she. always encouraged. people to knock on doors. and if you've. >> ever anyone in minnesota. >> politics knows that melissa hortman would make you knock on a lot of doors because she. understood the power of conversation. >> of listening. >> and i. >> really think that she. >> i've been talking a lot lately about. >> a kindness revolution. and i

think that is what. >> melissa was getting at to have. we've got to get get i hate saying get back to we need to move forward to a. place where we care about each other, where we listen to each other, where we are reminded again. >> and again that we. >> have more. >> in common than we don't. >> and we've got to just get down to the simple acts of being kind to each. >> other. >> taking care of each other. this is a. really devastating. day in certainly in minnesota history. and i think. >> in our. >> country's history, we cannot. >> tolerate political violence. >> the is not the country that i firmly believe most americans want. we need to move toward peace, and we need to move toward working out our differences through debate, not through violence. >> congresswoman. >> i'm so. sorry for. >> your. >> loss and what you and the community are going through. my heart goes out to all of you. and, you know, to pick up on the

point that you were just talking about. dnc chair ken martin also reflected on how we begin to heal the divide in this country. he spoke earlier to our colleague jen psaki. take a listen to what he had to say. >> two of my friends, two of my close, close friends, were murdered. murdered today. two of my other friends were attempted. they attempted to murder them. and if it wasn't for lawmakers doing their jobs in minnesota, i don't know how many more countless friends of mine in the minnesota legislature would have been targeted today. this is wrong. we have to call it out for what it is. and you know what? there is no doubt that that has been fomented by the far right in this country and extremism and violent rhetoric that exists in the far reaches of the internet that we have allowed to seep into into this country, as it's now commonplace to just go out and assassinate people that you disagree with. well, it's and i'm just telling you right now, none of this

should happen in this country. let's solve our differences through the ballot box. let's solve our differences by finding common ground. no one should be going out there and assassinating people they disagree with. >> you both talked about finding common ground. you've talked about kindness, revolution. how does that happen in real terms? i mean, i think if you were to speak with your republican colleagues right now and others, everybody would say that they want to tone down the rhetoric, and they certainly want to heal the country and heal the divide. but how does that trickle down to ordinary americans who see what is happening in the divide, and then either get radicalized or inspired to carry out acts of violence, whether it's against politicians or an abortion clinic or a place of worship? >> yeah. >> when you. >> see. >> the rawness. >> in ken martin's voice. >> he worked for. >> many years with. our beloved. melissa hortman. >> it's. >> hard to. >> explain how. >> devastating, how devastated.

>> we are. >> in minnesota. >> right now. >> there's no. question that we need leadership from the very. >> top. >> and that means the president. and that means the leaders of the house and the senate in washington need to be very careful with. >> their rhetoric. >> they need to be. >> very clear. >> with their supporters and followers that this is not okay. and ken is not wrong, that there is. heated rhetoric and there is violent rhetoric on the fringes, and it needs. >> to be called. >> out and it. >> needs to be. stamped out. >> the vast majority of americans do not believe in that and do not want that. so i'm hoping that this is a turning point in our country where we turn toward peace and we turn away from this. bullying and this violent rhetoric. this is not this is not the america that most people believe in, and the. >> america that most people want to live in. >> congresswoman kelly morrison, i think there are a lot of

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bush, a parade through these very streets celebrating the return of soldiers after the gulf war. this was for president trump, an event that he has wanted to host dating back to his first administration here in 2025. he did it, but two very different things were happening at the same time here in these d.c. streets. there was one an honor and a commemoration for the u.s. army men and women dating back to the revolutionary war who lost their lives and those who served through the world wars, vietnam, through the 20 years of military engagement in the middle east. there are the tens of thousands of u.s. servicemen and women that are still deployed overseas. and for many of the people here, it was an acknowledgment and recognition of their family and friends and those that have come before us to ultimately bring the united states to where it is today. at the same time, there were serious questions about how the commander in chief, who for over three hours watched this

parade take place, intends to use the u.s. army personnel here in the future abroad. there is currently iranian airstrikes heading into israel, and the u.s. is intercepting those airstrikes. iran has threatened in return to hit u.s. military installations and here domestically at home, questions about how the president intends to use the army national guard. there's also marines that have been deployed, thousands of them and hundreds of marines in the streets of los angeles in real time as this event, this parade was going on. fellow soldiers of those that were marching the streets were in los angeles. the president has indicated an intent to use the military here at home to quash protests and dissent. and for this administration, there's questions about the future of the u.s. military under the leadership of this white house over the next three and a half years. >> vaughn hillyard, thanks for your reporting. joining us now by phone is nbc news correspondent david noriega, who's been reporting all day

from the la protests. david, we're talking to you by phone because i understand the la curfew is now in effect. what have you experienced on the ground today? >> hey, antonia. so today was at first a completely peaceful, very joyful, very celebratory. at that time, defiant and often profane display of, you know, numbers. there were there were tens of thousands of people in downtown la, according to the estimate of mayor karen bass and many more in other parts of the la area. there were protests in pasadena and glendale and highland park, really, throughout the l.a. county area. that was the state of affairs for several hours during the day. it was all, you know, again, 100% peaceful in the mid to late afternoon around 4:00 is when we saw things turn very

quickly. at this point, the official the sort of officially organized no king's protest had ended, but there was still quite a lot of people on the street downtown. by my estimate, there were a number of people. downtown was still in the thousands. some groups of protesters gathered around the complex of federal buildings downtown that have been the target of protests for the last week or so, where we have seen national guard. and as of today, marines visibly posted. and that is when we saw a pretty dramatic escalation by local law enforcement, by both the lapd and the la county sheriff's department. you know, the images that are going to come out of tonight in downtown los angeles and the images that i witnessed that i was in the middle of that i helped disseminate, are images of chaos, you know, images of unrest. but i want to make very clear to our viewers who see those images that those images resulted not from the actions of protesters, but from the actions of law enforcement. i also want to make very clear that i was only one person on the ground. i cannot account for the actions

of every single protester who was out there. i don't know. i you know, we will see as video surfaces over the next few days whether there were instigators, kind of provoking that kind of response from law enforcement. but what i can tell you is that from what i saw, every single gathering, every single protest that i saw was completely peaceful. there were people antagonizing marines, antagonizing national guard troops with their words and with signs, but nothing that could be described as in any way violent. no property destruction. no vandalism. and i have witnessed property destruction and vandalism in these protests. that's what we saw last weekend. did not see it today. instead, what i saw was particularly the sheriff's department, more so than the police department, very quick to use less lethal munitions, including chemical agents like cs gas, tear gas, pepper spray, pepper balls. deploying these liberally with little restraint, using mounted patrols to push hard against lines of protesters and successfully clearing various intersections of protesters throughout the course of the

night. i'll leave you with this, antonia. and guys, because i think it's important. i think we're i think we're seeing the beginning. i think we're seeing the birth of a pretty important movement. mass movement comprised in large part of children of immigrants and other people who have undocumented people in their in their lives. the images we saw tonight are going to be used to try and characterize that movement in different ways. we have to keep an eye on, and we have to keep reporting on the role of law enforcement in generating the images that we saw tonight in downtown la. okay. >> david noriega. >> thank you so much. >> for giving your take. >> from on the ground. it's really valuable to have someone who was there among the protesters giving a firsthand perspective of what happened. we actually also have one of our co-hosts, antonio, who was out in the field all day today and still managing in the rain, still managing to be here awake tonight to join us. by the grace of god, i'm here. yeah. you know, it's interesting. there are some elements of what david is describing that are very similar in terms of the movement

that is building on this coast here. certainly a lot of children and relatives of immigrants who are out in full force. organizers estimate there were 200,000 people. they originally thought about 150,000 people were going to come out in new york. there were several different protests kind of converging, first in midtown and then working their way downtown. it ended up being much larger than that, which shocked people because of the amount of rain here in the city. the other thing that i think surprised me a bit was just the ideological diversity there. there were conservatives there. there were liberals, there were immigration organization activists who've been doing this work for a really long time. and i met numerous people who told me this was their first ever protest in new york city, that they don't actually normally feel very comfortable doing this, but that the images that david is describing coming out of los angeles these last several days, it's changed something in them. it has woken them up. and they felt like that, coupled with the imagery that we saw coming out

of dc today, just pushed them to a point where they really felt they had to send this message of, we don't have a king, we don't have a monarch. and, you know, we want to show that there's a national movement that is not okay with the direction this company, this country is going. i spoke to someone who was 86 years old. i spoke to people who had babies in strollers. i mean, that's just the level of, you know, coalition building that was done here today. and, and for a lot of people, it was almost emotional, i think, to see that come together at a time when so many people were unsure. what does the fight look like right now? >> and i'm. >> curious to pick up on that. >> point of. >> what does. >> the fight. >> look like? >> you and david both talked. >> about the beginning of a movement, right. and i think there has been. growing frustration. with the lack of a very. strong opposition party. >> in this country. there's even been disagreements. among the political. class of the opposition party, the democratic party. >> but i'm. >> curious to get your thoughts on. >> from the. >> crowd that you spoke to. what do they. >> want to see next? >> yes, they're expressing. >> their frustration with.

>> no king, no monarchy. they're upset with what isis is doing. but did they give a. >> sense of what they want to happen next. >> in this movement or. >> across the country? >> well, i think there are a few different answers to that question. in new york specifically, i'll say there's a lot of excitement right now behind a local race, the mayoral race. and, you know, i saw zoran mamdani there. i did not see mayor eric adams. i did not see our former governor cuomo on the ground in this protest. and so i think that tells you a little bit about, you know, or certain elements of the democratic establishment coming out and taking part in these organic movements, and what kind of voices are there and actually walking alongside people in the crowd. so there's that element of, okay, if i can't do anything on the federal level, at least i can change something here locally. then there are people who are 100% focused on ice, and how do we send the message to you that this enhanced expanded immigration action we're seeing, not just in la, but all over the country, in schools and workplaces? we're not okay with

this, and we need to show you publicly that we're going to defend and protect these people. that, for some people was the major focus. so you saw you said you talked with. >> some conservatives who were out. what were they expressing to you? >> their motivation was. >> was it about immigration? >> was it about rule of law? what was for many the military? so i spoke with several people who have served, whether that was in the army or marines, and who just were really incredibly uncomfortable with this idea. that and ayman, you and i had talked about this, that the president may be using the military more as his own royal guard than as a service to the american people. you know, of course, the sort of public understanding is that this is a celebration of the 250th anniversary, but it also happens to be the president's birthday. that optic very uncomfortable for people across the political spectrum that i spoke to today. >> antonio, we're very lucky to have your reporting, and we're glad that. >> you've. >> had a lot of coffee today and

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the fbi has offered a reward of up to $50,000 for information that can lead to his arrest. joining us now is minnesota star tribune reporter walker ornstein and former minnesota state representative ryan winkler. ryan was a friend and colleague of representative hortman. ryan, i'll start with you. i mean, i know it's an extremely difficult day for you. i know it's been a long day, a lot of anxiety still in the community as this manhunt gets underway. but i just wanted you to reflect on your colleague and what that loss not just means for you on a personal level, but for the state of minnesota and what it says about our state of. >> politics. >> in this country right now. >> the loss. >> of melissa hortman and. >> mark is devastating. >> for me personally. >> for all of her friends. >> and colleagues. >> who. >> served with her in the legislature. >> in both. >> parties. >> staff. >> everybody who worked at the state capitol recognized that melissa hortman was an exemplary public figure. she was not somebody who was constantly

seeking attention or trying to. amp up the political temperature. >> she was trying. >> to dial it down and get work done as best she could. >> and in many ways. >> the 2023 legislative accomplishments that became. >> so celebrated. >> with governor walz were. >> due in. >> part to large. >> part. >> to speaker hortman. >> and her ability. >> to organize. >> people around. >> some basic. >> governing principles. >> that. >> really help to. >> advance progress in minnesota. >> walker, could. >> you tell us. >> a little bit about your time covering the minnesota state house and the significance of. >> the lawmaker whose life. >> was lost today? >> yeah, i. >> started reporting on the. >> minnesota legislature in about 2018. which is. >> right when. >> melissa hortman became speaker. >> of the minnesota house. and really, i've heard her described today as the most consequential house speaker in minnesota history. she presided over a lot of unprecedented events in minnesota the. covid 19

pandemic, the murder of george floyd by a minneapolis police officer, the response to that she presided during times of divided government, but also times of. >> full democratic control. and really, the apex. >> of that was in 2023. when democrats held control of the house and the senate and. >> the. >> legislature passed this. >> huge laundry list. >> of democratic priorities, everything from codifying abortion. >> rights into. >> state law. actually passing. >> gun safety restrictions. >> like a red flag law. legalizing recreational marijuana, passing a bill. to require carbon free electric grid by 2040. and so she was really known for, you know, a lot of those accomplishments. i remember there was. >> a big. >> list inside the house democratic caucus meeting room. >> that had this big. >> list of priorities. and at the end of session, she said, we pretty much cleared the decks. we checked all of them. and so that's a really big part of her legacy. and i heard someone else describe her today as essentially the nancy pelosi of the minnesota legislature. she's

shrewd, she's tough. she always had a smirk on her face. she really was a tough negotiator. and i think that that comparison fits in many ways. >> ryan, what more can you tell us about melissa's values and how you think she would want the country to respond in this moment? >> first of all, melissa was just extremely. >> dedicated to. >> the work. she came to the job every day, ready to advance forward. and. >> you know. >> she was just determined. she she. never gave up. she never gave in. she spent three. elections just trying to get elected to the minnesota house in the first place. she spent many years working on energy issues as a legislator, and finally became a caucus. >> leader. and then. >> speaker. and never quit, never slowed down. and i know that. >> as painful and. >> devastating as this is for all of us, what melissa would

want the most is for. >> us to. >> mourn her, to commemorate her, and then. get back to work trying to make the state of minnesota the best possible place it can be for the people of this state. >> ryan, you know, as somebody. >> who was. >> a former state representative yourself and somebody who, you know, reflects on politics, there's a growing concern among ordinary citizens who are called to public service that as dangerous as this job has become, and as divisive as our rhetoric has become, that good people like your friend, when they're removed from public office, when they are killed in this tragic way that it turns people off from going into public service, from answering that civic call to kind of help build our local governments and our society and making it work. how do you think this is going to impact that? i mean, it's just such a dangerous time right now for people to join public

life because of how dangerous it has become. >> and it really. >> brings it home. >> obviously, to. >> us in minnesota. you know, legislators in minnesota don't. >> have a big security detail. >> we have not had the kind of violent incidents. >> that we've seen. >> in other places take place here. and the people who. >> serve are members of their neighbors, their friends. >> their. >> people who. >> are hockey moms, their dads at the kiwanis club, volunteer firefighters. these are people. >> who live in. >> and amongst us. they're not anything more than citizen legislators. >> who. >> are showing up to do their best. >> and as. >> ugly as. >> politics has become, violence makes it that much worse. and i think the vast majority of minnesotans, the vast majority of americans, want us to move away from. >> the chaos. >> they want us to move away from the threats and the violence. they want us to move back towards the kind of model of public service that melissa. hortman represented so well. and i think it will be hard. >> but i. >> do think that there is. a

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>> anniversary, would dominate. >> the headlines. instead, it was the shocking. tragic murder of minnesota. >> state representative. >> melissa hortman and her husband. >> mark. >> that caught the. >> attention of americans nationwide. >> this has left lawmakers to confront a sober reality that political violence is. >> on the rise, according to lawmakers. across the political spectrum, threats of violence. >> that. >> were once considered. >> rare are now. >> commonplace. >> and tensions spill over into heated confrontations. >> i think where. >> i would like to. >> end this. conversation is. >> how do. >> we get the country to de-escalate, particularly when there are so many politicians who maybe benefit from. conflict or see that see themselves as benefiting from conflict and escalation? >> yeah, i mean, i think we're in a bit of a downward spiral, right? i was thinking about all of the events today, the assassinations, the parade, also the protests. and i feel like everything that we're watching in our country is increasing the tension and increasing the

pressure, like it's starting to feel more and more like a pressure cooker. and the thing that scares me the most is the idea that perhaps the perception of compromise comes across as reducing or compromising your values. >> there's weakness. in some way. >> exactly. it's a weakness. and we know that we have a president right now who's relishing being a strongman. everything he wants to project is about toughness and strength and law and order. and what we're losing sight of is compassion and grace. and in these moments that we're finding ourselves in, it's becoming harder and harder for one national figure to emerge and say, everybody calm down, take a deep breath, and let's try to just kind of unplug for a moment. and it's hard because so much is at stake. and as i said, you don't want to come across as compromising values when in reality it appears that everything is contributing to this pressure. >> i think the other thing, too, is we're in this moment where i think people are waiting to see do some of these critical voices who are in some of these rooms, or for example, in the case of

the military, who have high rank and immense experience, are they going to come forward and say, this isn't okay or this is what should be normal or this is the role we're supposed to play in american life? or are there marines who might say, we shouldn't be going into los angeles right now? there are people who i met today who are asking that very question and wondering, when are the high ranking folks going to start saying like, these are what our values used to be. this is where we should remain. but instead, i think there's this vacuum of leadership and i guess that fits into the spiral you're describing. amen. and it fits into so many other places. i think people feel it at the local level in major cities. they certainly feel it when they are looking at our capital, our country's capital. but it's hard for people to find their way sometimes. i especially think of the younger generation when this is kind of all they've known. this kind of chaos is all they know. i have younger siblings for whom this style of leadership is what they think

the presidency is, right? so they need people to come forward and explain the context and what's normal. and i'm not sure they're they're getting that anywhere. right. >> so you say that there's a. leadership vacuum. i agree with that in a sense. but i worry that to the extent that there are politicians who are stepping into the void, they're encouraging more conflict, right? >> that it's i mean, certainly. >> we saw this during the campaign last year where donald. >> trump talked. >> extensively about. the enemy. >> within and how important. >> it was to purge the enemy within. and there was a lot of criticism at the at the time, you know, oh, these words can lead to political. >> violence, etc. >> and a lot of people thought that was overblown at the time. and i'm. not saying. >> you know, anyone. >> other than the shooter. is responsible. >> for what we've. >> seen today, but that contributes to an environment where people feel like the only. >> way to.

>> stand up for their values. >> is to. >> fight in some way. and fighting can mean literal fighting. and i just i don't know how you walk back from that. >> if there is. >> a if there is a line of optimism today and it's to maybe connect these two points about fighting, but at the same time having leadership, it's seeing the thousands of people who took to the streets peacefully. you know, we focused a lot on los angeles today, rightfully so, because it was the epicenter of a lot of these immigration enforcement acts over the last couple of days. but as you were saying, hundreds of thousands, maybe 150,000 people here in new york city, in large part peaceful cities all across the united states, peaceful. and i think that is such an important through line through the events today that even though we've seen political violence, even though we're seeing this strong man tactics in washington, d.c, people are still taking to the streets and demanding their rights be protected. >> i think we're going to see them do more and more of that now. >> absolutely. >> that is going to be it for us. thank you for joining us for

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