you from msnbc world headquarters. >> here in new york. >> welcome, everyone. >> to alex. >> witt reports. >> we begin with breaking news on the. attack on minnesota lawmakers, a sprawling. >> investigation. >> an urgent manhunt underway for this man. vance beltre. the 57 year old is at large more than 24 hours now after two shootings outside of minneapolis. police say that belcher is armed and dangerous, though he may have left a trail of clues behind. so if you

recall, this all began early saturday when democratic state representative melissa hortman and her husband mark, were killed. her colleague, state senator john hoffman, and his wife are right now hospitalized after they were shot multiple times in a separate attack. senators from minnesota condemning the shocking violence. today. >> our delegation. >> in minnesota. >> from the most conservative republican. >> to. >> the most. >> liberal democrat, we all joined. >> together, senator. >> emmer and i and others. and said, we condemn this political violence. >> i think that the. >> level of threat that lawmakers are exposed to is just unacceptable, and that we have to find a way of ratcheting down this, this just intensity that is surrounding people. nbc's adrian broaddus is joining me right now from the minnesota emergency operations center. adrian, welcome. let's get the very latest on the search for the suspect and anything more

we're learning about this man. >> hey there. alex, you talked. >> about clues, and. >> the latest clue takes us to. >> sibley county. that's where anxiety is growing. people in sibley county, which is about 85 miles or so southwest from where we are right now. folks there received an emergency alert on their cell phones telling them to remain vigilant. this, after authorities found what they believed was that cowboy hat the suspect was seen wearing on surveillance video after the shooting yesterday in minneapolis. authorities there also telling our affiliate kero-tv they found the suspect's vehicle on a highway. all of this after something horrible happened in the early hours of saturday morning. there's a $50,000 reward being offered by the fbi for information leading to the arrest of this man who was on your screen.

investigators saying he shot and killed state representative melissa hortman and her husband, mark, inside of their home. authorities say he was impersonating a police officer. he even had an suv, which was designed like a squad car. we are hearing also from his housemate, who says he received a text message from his roommate. take a listen. >> i just want to let you know i love you guys both and i wish you hadn't gone this way. i don't. >> want. >> to say anything. more and implicate you in any way. because you you you you guys don't know anything about this. but i love you guys, and i'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused you. i mean, he was a loving, caring guy, you know, loved his family, loved his friends and loved god. and. i

don't know why he did what he did. it's just it's not bad. >> now. >> 230 and in another incident, he's also accused of shooting state senator john hoffman and his wife, yvette. as we've been telling you, they were rushed to the hospital and underwent surgery. >> speaker melissa. >> hortman we're also told from a nephew of the couple that no major arteries were hit when that couple was shot. and also, we're learning one of the bullets was lodged in the chest of the state senator near his heart. but again, no major arteries. and, alex, i just want to show you these two minnesota papers, two papers here with one message it says unspeakable. and that really describes what people are feeling here. i've been trading text messages over

the weekend with folks here and someone telling me just a short time ago that it's still doesn't feel real. >> what else was found? >> yeah, absolutely. and let me tell you another nugget that we heard about yvette hoffman, that apparently their adult daughter was home at the time, and she threw her body in front of her daughter so that she would not be injured. that is, you know, a stunning thing as well. and her daughter was not injured. so she was successful in that. she now, though, remains in the hospital. adrienne, thank you so much for that. joining us right now, we have retired fbi agent rob d'amico and former boston police commissioner edward davis. editor rob, welcome to you both. and as you you know, actually not as you editor, are you surprised that this suspect, vance belcher, is still at large? i'm curious what law enforcement is doing to track him down. >> right. well, it's unfortunate that they weren't able to get their hands on him during the initial encounter, but there

were shots exchanged and the chaos around an incident like that can be very difficult. and it also takes time to get officers to the scene. i mean, i can't compliment the local agency enough for checking other areas, other politicians homes, and that was really what stopped the onslaught and actually could have saved many lives. so it was a real heads up play. but in that chaotic few minutes, back doors can be left unguarded. it takes time to get the place surrounded. there's logistical issues, and so he's on the run. you know, we it took us four days to run down these guys from the boston marathon. that's not unusual. it's also not unusual to have a wide dragnet out there. but because he's moving around without a specific location, it makes it extremely difficult. and then the phone calls that you just described will sometimes lead in people

committing suicide. so he could be in the woods somewhere and already dead. i hate to say that, but that's that's a real possibility that the investigators are looking at, i'm sure. >> yeah, absolutely. and you bring to mind the tsarnaev brothers, they're from the boston bombing, one of whom you'll recall was found in someone's backyard in a boat that was covered up. i mean, it was it was an extraordinary time. we were recalling that now. but belcher, he took off on foot. and in your experience, what mode of transportation is likely after that? is it a car waiting somewhere? because the car, as our reporter was sharing, appeared to look like law enforcement, like an suv that had the sirens and the lights. something at least implied, implying that and that was abandoned at the scene. so what happens if he's believed to have crossed state lines? >> well, that would lead one to believe that he had some assistance from someone else. if he lost his vehicle, he had

somebody pick him up, or he was able to either commandeer a vehicle or steal one. and that's not particularly easy to do in the middle of the night when you're in the middle of a pursuit. so i would be looking hard at his friends and acquaintances, his telephone activity, the things that he said online prior to the incident happening, to see if there's someone else involved here. it might be just him, but he got very lucky if he got away and made his way. miles, you know, from that location without some assistance. >> well, we are getting word again. adrian broaddus reported sibley county is a focal point right now for all of you. remind you of that about 85 miles or so southwest of minneapolis. so, rob, we all heard belcher's roommate and best friend, what he said about him in that very tear filled testimony. he was surprised. he said this was out of character for his friend. and then there's the text message from the suspect who was

apologizing to his friend. i'm curious how common this kind of communication is after a violent act, and who else police may want to talk to? >> yeah, i think he planned this all in his head. obviously wasn't talking to other people about it unless he he had someone in his movement that may agreed with him on this, but obviously the roommates didn't. i think it's probably common that they try to get word out to some folks that, you know, they they think they may not see again. he did say that about, you know, being killed soon, but the fact that he wore a mask during the initial one, it looked like a latex mask. he didn't want to get caught, and i think that was to go after other targets. but he now may think since his plot was foiled a bit, it might end in a shootout. again, they fantasized about how this is going to go, so i don't know if he's if he's going to go off in the woods and do that or if he's going to, you know, they talk about suicide by cop. we're

trying to get another target. but i think messages to people, they, they, they think they're going to leave behind is probably, you know, goes on a bunch. >> yeah. hey, josh, my director put back up that side by side because you rob a reference, the mask, it's very clear that there's something that's altering the state of his appearance there. you know, if you compare the two, does it make it more difficult to look for him if he is still out there and hasn't, as ed suggested, potentially committed suicide because he could put that mask back on, right? >> yeah, i think he could have other masks too. so the fact that he had a mask for that again shows the planning in this, the fact that he was taken with the picture after with the cowboy hat. but there's all kinds of planning. so they're definitely looking at his credit card purchases, amazon purchases, as they're doing all the search warrant stuff. does he have material for other disguises that he may be using again to carry out further on

violent encounters? so they they are definitely looking at all that. the fact that he did this to begin with shows an intent and how he's thinking of it. and he may have not just that disguise other ones, which would again make it more difficult. >> and what is the ripple effect across this country from a violent act like this? does it place law enforcement on heightened alert? >> well, it definitely does, especially with the protests that happened yesterday. i know that the level of alert went way up after this incident. police officials are having conversations with their elected counterparts. and, you know, ever since the new york assassination, there's been an increased desire for armed protection. people are really thinking that this is a possibility in our society much more than they did a year ago. and so it's a troubling it's a troubling development. it's a

horrible tragedy to the victims and their families. but it's also a tragedy to the society because you can't put an armed police officer on every elected official. it's just not enough people. and it's an extremely expensive proposition to do that with private. >> that said, rob, when you and i were talking yesterday as all this was going down, you suggested that police be stationed inside the homes of other lawmakers, at least those on that grievance list. that bolter rather belter left behin. for how long? because ed makes a good point. it's staffing, it's cost. it's all of that. and this isn't the only thing, the only issue that law enforcement faces on any given day. so would it stay until he was caught in your mind? or are there other metrics that play into that decision? >> i think right now the tension is so high right now they are staffing that and they can probably fulfill that with state agencies and others coming in. to do that. they will have to look at that as resources, you

know, kind of dwindle down as it goes on and on. and if they can get any type of location, they may increase security around the location. if in fact, he's spotted there. so but i do think it could be a longer term. right now just tensions are really high trying to figure out his intent to go after those 60 or so that are on the list, but i think you'd have to stick with them for now. >> last question to you. i'm curious the challenges in figuring out a motive and if that helps lead to his capture, if indeed, as you have surmised earlier, he's not committed suicide already. >> well, alex, i think that known associates are the most important point right now. you have to drill down into those people that he moves around with and trusts. he seems to have a level of sophistication that's that's pretty significant. and the fact that he threw his hat out the window, it appeared as though it was on a roadside is almost taunting the authorities. so he may be suicidal. on the

other hand, he may be enjoying this, this, this pursuit and cat and mouse game. we'll see how it plays out. but as rob said, we have to be aware and prepared for any eventuality, especially among the people who are on that list. this guy could pop up anywhere. >> okay. edward davis, rob damico, gentlemen, thank you so much. and in our next hour, we will speak with congresswoman angie craig of minnesota. she personally knew melissa hortman and she just saw her friday night. we're going to hear her thoughts at the top of the hour. meantime, there's a remarkable and big breaking news headline from the white house regarding iran and israel. you will want to hear about this development to hear about this development when we're back in a quick i'm into comedy. i'm also into flambéing. (audience applause) what i'm not into is heartburn. that's why i take voquezna. here in kenan's stomach, voquezna can kick some acid, and relieve heartburn related to non-erosive gerd. voquezna is the first and only fda-approved treatment of its kind.

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official tells me that this is accurate, that in fact, israel had come to president trump with a proposed plan to kill around supreme leader ayatollah khamenei. this would be a remarkable effort if it had been in fact, executed. but of course, this is at the heart of the conversation as to the extent that the u.s. is engaged with israel's own military actions against iran. bibi netanyahu, the israeli prime minister, in just the last hour, acknowledging that he is, quote, fully coordinated with president trump and that the white house was aware of its actions before the initial airstrikes took place earlier this week. at the same time, the white house has not engaged in any further military actions in terms of airstrikes on iran specifically, but it has continued to assist in defensive efforts through the use of military pilot shooting down drones that are going into

israeli airspace. and so for this white house, they are well aware of the threats from iran to strike u.s. military bases. and bibi netanyahu over the last hour, suggesting that president trump will make the decisions that are best for america. he said that he could no longer wait for nuclear negotiations to move forward, that it was, quote, clear it was going nowhere. that is what led israel to move forward with its strikes, despite today, this sunday having initially been slated to be the sixth round of talks between the u.s. and iran over nuclear negotiations with other middle east intermediaries. but again, the headline speaks for itself here. of course, there are questions about how far iran, or i should say, israel, is willing to take its military effort against iran, netanyahu suggesting that they will proceed until the there uranium enrichment

capacity is completely demolished. and it's a question of whether iran will stand down, especially in the face of such knowledge that the u.s. and israel had engaged in explicit conversations about carrying out an assassination plan of their supreme leader. >> okay. vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. again, this is extraordinary news. let's bring in ned price, former special assistant, nsc spokesperson and senior director for the obama administration. what is your reaction, ned? >> i think you. >> said it, alex. >> it's pretty. extraordinary news. and i think to my mind, it raises two important questions. number one pertains to israel. what exactly are bibi netanyahu's plans, intentions and goals with this operation? but number two, and just as importantly, where does the trump administration stand on all of this? we've heard contradictory signals, starting with the israeli question. look, prime minister netanyahu and his ministers over the past 72 or 96 hours or so have maintained that

this is an operation about defanging, the iranian nuclear program, going after nuclear infrastructure, going after nuclear scientists, going after military leaders, as part of israel's effort to defend itself from what they, i think, rightly deem to be an existential threat to israel. if iran were in a position to acquire a nuclear weapon. but this kind of reporting, coupled with other reporting that we've seen, that they've gone after or have sought to go after political leaders, i think raises a disturbing question that this may not be purely about iran's nuclear program, but this may be an effort to achieve regime change in iran. that's something that the israeli government has denied. but the more we learn, i think it's becoming clearer and clearer. that may at least have been an initial objective of this, whether they're able to achieve it, especially with the reported american intransigence, i think is another question. but that does take us to the united states. and where exactly is the trump administration in all of this? and i think as we've looked at president trump's

statements in the immediate hours before the israeli operation started to just over the past couple hours, we've seen contradictory signals. president trump initially said no, he didn't want israel to go against iran while diplomacy was ongoing. he later called the effects of the initial effects of israel's operation excellent. after speaking with president putin, he said he wants this war to end, and more recently, he has voiced encouraging noises about israel needing to go after iran's nuclear program. it's not just about contradictory messages and signals. this actually matters when it comes to foreign policy and america's influence in the world. because when we're contradictory, when countries and entities don't know where we stand, they won't respect the word of the united states. they won't respect what comes out of the oval office. and unfortunately, i think we've seen that. yeah. go ahead alex. >> but which which plays right into my question in terms of bibi netanyahu saying he was not

going to wait for the wait anymore for the talks that the us was conducting. is this exactly what you're saying? >> it's exactly what i'm saying. and it's pretty remarkable to have heard that from the israeli prime minister. look, i think when you take a step back and you assess israel's operation and their initial impetus, it's very clear that in the first instance, they were going after the iranian nuclear program, of course. but when you start to peel back and to ask the question why, i think it's impossible. but to conclude that even though iran's nuclear program was target number one, israel very clearly took aim at the trump administration's own diplomatic effort. they did not want to see this go forward. and as i mentioned just a moment ago, even hours, minutes before the operation began, president trump was saying he did not want to see israel strike iran while diplomacy was ongoing. and you have to remember, on thursday,

in the hours before this took place, steve witkoff, the president's special envoy, was supposed to meet with the iranian foreign minister in muscat today, just days later. clearly, this diplomatic effort made the israelis very nervous, whether they were nervous that it would fail and iran would be in a position to acquire a nuclear weapon, or i think more plausibly, in some ways they were concerned that it would succeed and that it would render what in their mind, what would have been a bad deal. i think either one of those could have been the final straw for israel to go forward. >> the fact that israel was saying they were targeting the supreme leader. does that suggest to you they could get him if they wanted to? and the surprise around that? and what if president trump had not rejected the idea? what would we be looking at today? >> yeah. look, i think if you take a step back and survey the past three years, one thing we should not do is underestimate

the capabilities of the israeli military and israeli intelligence. and i think we've seen example after example from hassan nasrallah to the quds force commander to ismail haniyeh, the now deceased leader of hamas, who was really ingeniously taken out inside tehran in a guest house of the iranian government just last year. my sense is that if israel wanted to go after the supreme leader, they could have gotten him. and israel has time and again proven itself capable. but there is a difference between can and should. and i think this gets to your question. just because israel was in a position to go after the supreme leader, should they have done so? this is already a tinderbox. and unfortunately we are seeing missiles and munitions and drones reign over israel, just as they are doing so over the skies of iran. it is in no one's interest. >> how how were those missiles,

drones able to break through israel's iron dome? it is typically iron clad, keeping missiles or rockets from breaking through. >> it is very effective, but no system, including the iron dome and david's sling is foolproof. and typically when we saw this, unfortunately twice during 2024, when there was an exchange of fire between israel and iran, there is a very high success rate, but it is not 100%. and what we saw over the course of last year, somewhere around 5% of drones and missiles were able to get through. that is what i think we're seeing now. it's also a question in my mind just how coordinated the united states and israel are. look, i can tell you, alex, in the biden administration, we spent a good amount of time and effort coordinating closely in an intelligence level, at a military level and a political level with our israeli counterparts. and we were able together to effectively shoot

down almost all of those munitions, whether ballistic missiles or drones. i don't know yet whether the success rate here is equivalent to that. if it's less than that. but it is very clear that no system is foolproof, and we're seeing the tragic consequences of that, which is all part of this potential for a broader conflagration. it's in no one's interest to see this conflict spiral even more than it has. >> i have one more question for you, ned, and that is, is there a purpose in this leak of information from the white house saying that the president rejected israel's bibi netanyahu's request and or saying, you know, we're going to we're going to take out the ayatollah. what's that about the leak there? >> there's always ulterior motivation, and we don't need to be a kremlinologist here to understand that the white house is in a very difficult political dynamic. on the one hand, they feel that it's necessary to stand with israel to support

israel. that's in part, at least, why president trump has himself said that we're going to continue to work with the israelis to shoot down these drones and ballistic missiles. but there's a very powerful political strain that president trump listens to his maga base. and this is the so-called america first base, the base that at this very moment is questioning why the united states is engaged even in a limited way. we are to help israel defend itself. and i think what we're hearing from this white house, these whispers that the israelis wanted to go further and faster and do something even more dramatic, but president trump vetoed it, is a very purposeful leak to signal to that maga base that president trump is going to defend israel. but we have our limits, and we're not going to be drawn into a broader war. look, i hope that remains the case, that we won't be drawn in. but president trump, time and again, has shown that he's mercurial. and the last person he talks to typically wins the argument. so i hope those principles remain. i hope the united states continues to stand

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brilliant corners research. all three are esteemed msnbc political analyst. cornell, you first hear your initial reaction to these numbers, and why do you think his approval is pretty much unchanged? are people just locked into their views at this point? >> well, look. >> i think you got to get underneath the numbers. i mean, and i think most important and critical number here is the one where you talk about his, his numbers around immigration and. borders being split even. right. once upon a time, that was donald trump and republicans strong, strong suit. right. that's something that that was their major strength. if you look at where handling immigration and handling border issues, you know, go back a year ago, go back before the election, that was one of the biggest advantages that republicans had and donald trump had. that's now a toss up. so you've seen a lot of erosion and sort of significant erosion with that. and the same is true with dealing with the economy. you remember running into the to the election year, it was the

economy, the economy, economy and how trump had an advantage on the economy, you know, you know, to our people out there. republicans have historically always had advantage on the economy, but today they don't. and you see that in the numbers right now. again, donald trump, the advantage with handling inflation and even broader in the economy, polling all over the place has completely, completely collapsed. and when you get even further underneath that look, he's under 30. he's underwater 30 points among independent voters. right. so you always see republicans rallying around trump and holding up his his job approval numbers. so i'm less concerned about the overall approval than what i see underneath the water, particularly with independent voters where they've lost. he's lost huge advantages on core issues that have helped propel republicans. >> okay, let me throw a couple more numbers, though, at you, cornell, because there were signs of waning enthusiasm for the president. republicans were 5% less likely to say they strongly support trump just compared to april. and fewer maga supporters said they were

thrilled with the president and his actions so far. is there a sense, perhaps people feel like they aren't quite getting what they expected? >> you could say that, but i think we need more data, right? i am, because in the end, are those are they going to snap back? i think they are more likely to snap back than than not. although going into a midterm like let's take a look at this number. you know, you know, 3 or 4 months from now we sort of begin to sort of shape up in the midterm because, as you know, mobilization is a key thing for midterm elections. but right now i'm a lot more interested in what independents are moving away, because i think the republicans i think my, my colleague on the, on the, on the right is going to going to be with me on that. i think republicans will move slowly back into place. >> okay, susan, let's look at immigration. only 9% of adults said that is the issue which matters most to them. but then it was 20% among maga supporters. so look, it might not be what most people care about, but if his base wants it,

is that all that matters for trump? >> absolutely. donald trump doesn't care about what happens in the midterms. he doesn't. care about anyone but himself. and these days, he doesn't even. >> care about his poll numbers. >> he has. >> gotten to where he is. >> he has. >> gotten through felony convictions, an election. with basically. >> his core supporters. staying by. >> him and then other people. you know. >> he was able to put together certain coalition. >> for the general election. >> what i'm actually really looking. >> towards in the for the midterms. >> is there's only one. >> number that ticked up. >> as far as what's. >> most important. >> issue, and that is health care. and that has to go directly to. the big beautiful bill. and that if people are paying attention, that's probably. >> the best opening. combined with trump's. >> weakening numbers with independents to for democrats. >> to move. >> into place on that. yeah, i think you're absolutely spot on on that one, julian. 57% of

adults said their opinion of the democratic party is somewhat or strongly unfavorable. we got republicans coming in at 56% there as well. so we talk about the backlash that republican lawmakers could face in the midterms. but will that actually happen if democrats aren't seen as any better? >> yeah. >> you put your. >> finger on you know, there's a lot of promising news for democrats. if we're thinking about how they're. >> headed into. >> the midterms. president that's unpopular, especially, you know, on the economy also tariffs. and even, as. cornell pointed out on immigration, his signature issue, it's basically 5050. so this is a cycle that looks very promising for democrats. i've been thinking of it as a cycle like 2018, where democrats gained about 40 seats in congress. however, as steve kornacki pointed out. >> in his. >> analysis on meet the press. >> the one thing. >> that's different, or one of the main things that's different, is that now the parties are tied in unfavorable,

favorable. whereas before in that 2018 cycle, democrats were actually significantly more popular than republicans. and they that is something that democrats are going to need to figure out. i think part of this, alex, has to. >> do with. >> the base of the democratic party for the last few months, feeling as though democrats were not doing enough. what i would overhear, what people would hear is, hey, do something. i do think the protests this weekend signal a new era of activism, of pushing back. that is also very promising. so, you know, we may see that number change. >> let's all take a look at the contrast between the widespread protests that we saw yesterday. all 50 states brought in some remarkable images. by the way, combine that with the military parade in d.c. what did you make of that, cornell? >> well. >> you know, it was disturbing. and i'm not being partizan, right. this is something that you don't you've not seen in america before. and i'm in washington, by the way. i think

we were expecting crowds and there weren't a lot of crowds. and i'm thankful for that because, look, this is the imagery of for every wannabe authoritarian strongman throughout history, is parading out the military and playing games with the military. and this on the heels of sending, of course, military into into los angeles and also, quite frankly, his his speech before that crowd at fort bragg where where he played partizan politics in a way that that no republican or democrat has ever done before at the military. it's dangerous. and whether you're a democrat or a republican, you should be troubled by by this very narcissistic, selfish sort of political behavior. >> susan, this parade was meant to celebrate the birthday of the army. also, it was flag day. did it project a message of strength? >> this is tough for me. >> alex, because. >> i think. >> while the. >> parade itself was really. self-serving to. >> president trump, watching our

military force, watching us, watching a. >> celebration of. >> the army. >> should be meaningful to. >> the entire country. which is why i was happy that the no kings, which. >> i questioned the messaging. >> on, that their protest. did not at. >> all hint to. >> being anti-military. >> and that. >> was really, really. >> important. >> i think, for americans to see. >> but. >> you know, we look at this through a very narrow lens. i think. americans saw that parade and they. >> saw a. >> patriotic had a. patriotic response. >> and there's. >> nothing wrong with that. >> they're supposed to. >> it's just the means of how they got there and donald trump using it. and yes, i agree with cornell. it's this is what, you know, you see in in countries with dictatorships, not in america. so, julian, lastly, to you, we have the washington post editorial board. it is arguing that trump has politicized the military, from sending troops to la to the campaign style rally

at fort bragg to the parade. they say, quote, civilian control of the military is a sacrosanct american value. to be sustainable, it requires the armed forces to salute any occupant of the presidency and refrain from serving the personal interests of a single commander in chief. is trump trying to show the army as being loyal to him specifically? >> i absolutely think that's what he would like. and sure, as was mentioned, you know, the speech that he gave and getting the military to cheer at a basically his political speech, the use most disturbingly in california of military to do law enforcement. and we'll see what happens with that in the courts. the ninth circuit right now has put a pause on a district court's ruling that that was unconstitutional and ruled in favor of governor gavin newsom in california. but this is

absolutely disturbing, this idea that he would commandeer the military, it is indeed one of the main things that separates the united states of america from a lot of dictatorships all over the world. and so for people, i think, across the political spectrum that are watching that fear, that kind of taking over of the military absolutely should be concerned about these moves by donald trump, because you can see it playing itself out right in front of your eyes. >> julian castro, susan del percio, cornell belcher, great to talk with all three of you. thank you so much. we'll see you again. new reaction to a chilling story that is now part chilling story that is now part of a disturbing trend. sometimes my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis gets in my way. ♪♪ but thanks to skyrizi, i'm free to bare my skin. ♪ things are getting clearer, i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin, yeah that's all me ♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ ♪♪

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