earlier from, from the, you know, right around inauguration polling. that's not surprising in the sense that typically there is sort of a honeymoon and then. >> a. >> you know, sort of drop back down to earth. trump's honeymoon kind of ended quicker. but when you talk about the questions of immigration, immigration still has his best polling issue in our poll. but it was split. >> it wasn't. >> overwhelmingly favored. that's an interesting thing that we're going to continue watching as an indicator. we'll leave it there for now. nbc's ben kamisar thank you. and that was way too early for this monday morning. morning joe starts right now. >> can you. >> give us a. >> sense of what you're doing to try to de-escalate the situation between iran and israel? >> well, i. >> hope there's going. >> to be a deal. >> i think. >> it's time for a deal. >> and we'll see what happens. but sometimes. >> they have. >> to fight it out. but we're. >> going to. >> see what happens. >> i think. >> there's a good chance. there'll be a deal. >> that's president. >> trump, the white house yesterday responding to questions about the escalating conflict between israel. >> and iran.

>> in an extraordinarily dangerous situation. right now, we're going to have a live report from tel aviv in just a minute. also ahead, we're going to recap this weekend's protests across the country in response to president trump's administration policies. and it comes as the president is reportedly ordering ice to stand down on raids that target certain industries. we're going to go through the clashing directives coming from the white house, plus the suspect in a pair of targeted shootings in minnesota of minnesota lawmakers is in custody this morning. he was caught last night, and he's been charged with two counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder after a multi-day manhunt. for details on that overnight development, let's bring in nbc senior national correspondent jay gray. he's live from saint paul this morning. jay, what's the very latest? yeah, joe, we're at the capitol where there is a growing memorial. i want you to take a look behind me for the victims here. we've already seen people early in the morning here,

coming by to pay their respects. this all began to unfold yesterday. in the afternoon, a massive team of officers and agents stalking the suspect in this case, vance beltre, through the woods about 50 miles or so from minneapolis and just miles from his home. they continued to pace and. follow him, encircling him using drones as well as a chopper overhead to pinpoint. >> where he. >> was, and then made their move just after nightfall. they're arresting him. what we're told is that they circled him, closed that net, and then gave him commands, and he accepted those commands, crawled to officers, the fbi, the first to grab him, state police, the ones who put the cuffs on him, according to governor tim walz. and he was arrested without any type of confrontation, though he. >> was armed. >> at the time of his arrest. now, on the on the legal side of all this, joe, we expect to see him in court this afternoon. he

right now faces a multitude of charges, including two charges of second degree murder and second degree attempted murder. we expect to see those go to first degree as well. and there are discussions already underway that he could face federal charges in this case as well, including a charge of terrorism. so a lot to work through on the legal side. and investigators are telling us this is really just the beginning of their investigation, that they still have a lot of work to do. trying to understand the motive in this, though they do believe it was politically driven. they do call this a political assassination, and they are going to work to gather more evidence. they pulled evidence from his car. they pulled evidence from his home as well. we know he had that kill list and he had multiple weapons to carry it out. joe, a frightening situation. all right. nbc's jay gray, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. we're going to continue the conversation about these horrific attacks in a minute. we're going to be speaking live with democratic senator amy

klobuchar of minnesota. let's turn now to the conflict. that's, of course, escalating in the middle east between israel and iran, as both countries keep trading direct strikes with each other. earlier today, the israeli military said it struck the command center of iran's quds force as well as missile sites in the central part of the country, citing iranian state media. >> nbc news. >> is reporting that israeli strikes in iran have killed over 220 people since friday, with over 90% of the fatalities reported to be civilians. the initial israeli strikes took out multiple iranian military leaders and top nuclear scientists. on friday, iran launched ballistic missiles into tel aviv and has continued its attacks in the days since. overnight missiles hit the northern israeli city of haifa. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's office released a statement this morning saying 24 israeli civilians have been killed and that retaliatory attack. with us now live from tel aviv is nbc news

international correspondent matt bradley. matt, what can you tell us about the situation as it stands right now? >> well, i can tell you, joe, what i saw, what i heard late last night here in the southern part of tel aviv. i was woken up in the middle of the night, as i have been for the past couple of days and nights, including during the day, we saw a brazen daytime attack by the iranians just yesterday. we get up, we hear this siren. you hear these alerts on your phone, you everybody rushes into these safe rooms or bunkers inside these buildings. and i got to tell you, joe, this is what is the cause of these low fatalities amongst israelis. you saw in the numbers. you just gave the numbers of iranian civilians who have been killed in israeli attacks are about ten times the number that we're seeing killed here in israel. and we went yesterday to bat yam, which was one of the areas also here in southern tel aviv, where there was an entire ten story building with the front of it just sheared right off. six people were killed. a very high number

of civilians killed in one attack by israeli standards. but according to the idf, the israeli defense forces, everybody who was killed had not managed to make it to the safe rooms, to these bunkers. so really, the reason why we're seeing such a low fatality is because of the early warning systems, because of the iron dome, the aero systems, the other air defense systems like david's sling that have been swatting a lot of these iranian projectiles out of the sky. and because almost every building in this country has one of these bunkers, has one of these safe rooms that allows people to get to cover, and that essentially means you're going to survive in almost every case if you make it to one of these rooms. so that's why we're seeing such a low level of casualties here in israel. in iran, we're also seeing a move to targeting economic targets, oil facilities and gas fields. that's a big escalation by the israelis. >> all right. nbc's matt bradley, live from tel aviv. we greatly appreciate it. please

stay safe and with us. we have now the co-host of our fourth hour contributing writer at the atlantic, jonathan lemire, president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard haass, and co-founder and ceo of axios. jim vandehei. so, richard haass, let's begin with you. the situation continues to escalate with israel and iran trading, trading attacks against each other. i guess the question that's being asked right now by a lot of observers is how much longer can iran continue this? it seems in just about every category, israel has the upper hand. what are you hearing? well. >> for joe joe, for iran. >> they've got to decide just that. and in. >> particular. >> let me give you one analogy. >> when they were fighting the. >> iran-iraq war, the decade long struggle in the in the 80s, the ayatollah khomeini at one point said he'd never accept a ceasefire. and then he did, and he said, this is like drinking poison to me. but he decided to

drink poison in order to preserve the iranian revolution. so the question is whether the authorities in iran essentially find this an analogous situation, and they would accept some type of a peace deal. we can talk about that, what the details would be, or whether they basically say they they worry they can't survive after this defeat militarily. and they, they go the opposite direction, which would be war widening to essentially try to, you know, bring the arabs into the war to attack oil refineries and installations, attack shipping. and the theory behind that would be they could then make the war so expensive for the united states and europe that they would hope that the us would put diplomatic pressure on israel to end the war. so i think the iranian authorities are very much coming to that fork in the road where they've got to decide whether to widen and escalate on one hand, or whether the whether to begin to get diplomacy in gear. and to bring this to an end. and then they would have to decide,

sorry, go on so long how much they would give up on the nuclear side. so, richard, let me ask you, for those of us who have seen since 1979. iran being the epicenter of global terrorism. >> of being. >> you know, the, the, the most feared power in the middle east outside of israel, the question is, how did how did their defenses become so stripped down? how did they become so weak? how how, how, how have their air defenses been crushed to a point now where they really are at the mercy of israel? israel can do just about anything that it wants to do with iran. what happened? when did it happen? why are they so ill prepared? the new york times reporting that they're not even communicating with their people. they don't have the bomb shelters that israel has. people are standing on top of the roofs because they don't have bomb shelters to go to. what's happened? why was this supposedly fearsome islamic islamic republic? why are they now seemingly helpless? i have

two thoughts about that. it's a really interesting question. one is they had a layered defense. think about it. you have. >> hezbollah. >> you had. >> hamas. >> you had the friendship with the syrian government. so they had all these proxies and partners getting help from. >> russia. >> from from china. >> and their strategic. position just. deteriorated dramatically. >> over the. >> last year. >> and then, secondly. israel took it to them in ways. >> that my guess is. >> they didn't imagine that the israelis, almost. >> like the ukrainians. >> and the russians, had upped their game and introduced. >> a new level of warfare. >> and the. >> iranians, i. >> think, were i guess. >> the. >> word i would use is. >> is complacent. >> they thought they could hide behind their proxies, above all hezbollah, which they thought was keeping israel in check. and they just didn't imagine the degree of innovation that israel could bring to the war. and they they they were fighting they were essentially a generation or two behind. yeah. let's bring in our columnist and associate editor for the washington post.

david ignatius, to get more insights on this, i guess, david, the question right now is, is as escalation continues and. >> again. >> as iran seems, at least based on the reports we've heard, to be basically helpless from stopping these israeli attacks, even they're saying as much question is, why would why would israel stop against an implacable foe who, since their creation in 1979, has made their existence about the destruction of israel and the destruction of america about as much as anything else? it's hard to see a netanyahu who the world couldn't bring to the peace table for hamas or hezbollah, hard to hard to imagine netanyahu basically stopping the attacks now that iran seems so helpless. what are you hearing? so. >> joe, first, i think. your description is entirely accurate. >> israel now has. >> operational control. >> of the skies, or certainly over tehran, and it appears over much, much. of iran in a way

that it can just choose targets. now it decides that it's going to take out the quds force leadership, and it appears in an operation overnight. they did just that. it said that they could have targeted the supreme leader, ayatollah khamenei, but decided against it. so they get to choose targets now. but there isn't really a target that says, here's how to end the war. i think israel faces a problem a bit like what it faces in gaza. you can have total dominance. >> i mean. >> you. >> know. >> gaza is just almost undefended. and yet israel's. >> had trouble. >> ending the war, getting somebody with whom it can make a deal, that finally brings the conflict to an end, and who is prepared to surrender to israeli power? you're not going to find an iranian surrender mandate until you have regime change there. so i think inevitably, prime minister netanyahu in israel has talked more and more

over the over the last several days about a regime change. >> option. >> talking yesterday to iranians who monitor the situation back home very closely, their view is that the israelis are not really much closer to having a regime change. plan than they are to having a strategy for, for a new. >> gaza. >> just they're not good at that strategic thinking. so i think that's really the bottom line for me today, joe, is how did the israelis imagine bringing this to an end? they're going to have increasing pressure from, i think, from president trump, who would like to be the peacemaker, who's talking with russian president putin about what appears to be a joint effort for peace. the israelis are going to have to have a very clear, well enunciated plan for where they go next to resist the pressure that they'll make to end the war. >> you. jonathan lemire has a question for you. david ignatius

but just jonathan, a quick aside here. one thing for people that are watching this, wondering where the arab nations are, arab states are protesting, actively protesting what israel is doing with iran. it bears noting that over the past decade or so, they have sided more with with israel and seen iran. if you talk about the gulf states, especially as the greatest danger, that's why you've seen jordanians and also the saudis. and this exchange between israel and iran intercepting iranian missiles headed toward israel just like they did. i think about about six months ago. so when we're talking about, you know, a peace deal to end this war. americans may hear and others may hear gulf states, arab states protesting israel's attacks against iran. but they they want regime change as much or even possibly more than the israelis do, don't they?

>> yeah, that's. >> that's precisely right. >> the. >> the. >> alliances there have shifted somewhat. >> and we hear. >> much more. >> from the arab. >> world. >> the gulf states being far. >> unhappy with israel's. >> treatment in gaza. >> than we would here with iran. >> those are. >> two very different matters. a lot of anger about israel's. >> handing gaza fema. >> it's much more muted about the. situation in tehran. >> so david. >> ignatius, let's talk about you. mentioned him briefly, president trump's role. >> in this. >> he made it clear. >> he didn't. >> want this to happen. >> it was a week ago. he spoke. >> to prime minister netanyahu. >> he made another effort to say, look, i believe this can be. >> done diplomatically. let's go back to negotiating table. >> netanyahu deferred. >> said no. >> i think. >> this gave him a heads up that a strike was likely coming. >> in a. >> few days. >> and then it did. >> now. >> the president didn't. flat out say to him, don't. >> do it. >> but he certainly wasn't happy about it. we've heard from president trump in several days since saying, look, it's time for peace. it's time for peace. we heard him at the white house yesterday on his way to the g7. he's taking. >> it to. >> social to talk about it, as

you mentioned, perhaps even. >> involving vladimir putin. at the. >> same time, the u.s. is. helping israel. >> defend itself. >> its military. >> assets, helping shoot down rockets. >> and drones heading towards towards israel. >> so where. >> does trump go next? >> do you think he does. >> let netanyahu. >> sort of. >> have free. reign here for at least a few days or. >> a week. >> or two, whatever. >> it. >> might be? >> does he start really pushing the. pressure to negotiate? and if he does that, what would that look like? >> so. jonathan. >> the best model that we have is, is the gaza war. and in the gaza war, the president wanted that war ended as soon as he took office. he made that clear there was a cease fire. but israel decided to go back to war. and although trump was obviously unhappy, he didn't. >> do. >> much, couldn't do much to stop israel. and i think this is going to be a similar situation. israel, having gone this far, has an enormous incentive not to stop until it truly has essentially demolished iran's ability to enrich uranium and

continue on the path toward a bomb. if they stop now, they leave an angry country that could reconstitute. elements of its program. if diplomacy is going to resume, if trump is going to have his nobel peace prize moment, to put it in the vernacular, he's going to have to come up with a plan that actually convinces israel that it's going to be secure, that the iranian nuclear threat that's been building now for several decades is over, that there's real monitoring of it, and that iran has turned a corner. one way that this ends, obviously, is completely new leadership in in iran. and that means the death one way or another through israeli attacks or something else of the supreme leader, ayatollah khamenei. that's, that's that's the fundamental way this changes. i think otherwise, it'll be hard for president trump to force change. >> it really is hard to imagine. benjamin netanyahu in israel

backing off. >> now that. >> iran is so vulnerable. and until they achieve in iran the same thing they achieved in iraq back in 1981, i believe it was 1981 when they destroyed. iraq's nuclear making capability. so we shall see. jim vandehei, let's talk about the domestic politics of this. and it's not so much republican against democrat that's garnering the most attention, but republican against republican, specifically maga against maga. you have tucker carlson and several others attacking donald trump, saying this is the ultimate betrayal going against what he promised in the campaign. on one side, then you have on the other side, mark levin, other fox news commentators saying that those people are weak and, and, or, or basically betraying the israelis, take us, take us down that rabbit hole and talk about the maga on maga infighting

that's going on because of israel and what it might mean to president trump if he decides at some point to trim the sails. >> i mean, it's substantial and it's real. like if. >> you. just watch. any part. >> of maga. >> media right now. >> there's a massive divide. you've talked about it with. tucker carlson. >> i think it. >> was marjorie. taylor greene. >> who put out a statement. >> overnight, basically saying, this is. >> the test. >> if you are. >> for us getting engaged. >> in iran, you're not. true maga. and you're hearing that from. >> more and more people. >> who kind. >> of. >> share that view. >> and i think it's. >> one of the reasons. >> that. >> trump has been a little bit all. over the place. on this. i don't. >> think the. >> attacks would have happened. >> if he didn't want. >> them to happen. >> so obviously, i. >> think he. >> gave a. >> tacit green light for netanyahu. >> to do this initially. >> but he's been under. >> a lot of pressure the last 48 hours. >> from the israeli. >> government to get more involved. >> to use. missiles that we have, that the israelis don't

have. to take out some of these. >> nuclear facilities. >> the israelis, at one point over the weekend, thought that that might actually be happening, and it didn't. >> but so i think. >> you're going to continue to see. >> that jam. >> that trump is in play itself out. and i don't think it's. >> going. to be i. >> don't think. >> you'll get a verdict on it anytime soon. >> yeah. jonathan, what can you tell us about the president's position, the white house's position over the weekend? he seemed at times to be playing both sides against each other. what what's the latest reporting out of the white house? >> yeah, i mean, jim is right there. there's an uncertainty. >> he's casting. >> about for the right approach. as i mentioned a few. >> minutes ago. >> he didn't. >> want this to happen. but now that it has. >> happened and israel. >> has been. >> so successful, let me stop you there. let me stop you there. are you sure he didn't want this to happen? i'm just curious because, i mean, i've read the same news reports. he didn't want this to happen, but at the same time, then he'll go. into an interview and brag about it happening, brag about knowing that it was. >> going to. >> happen, bragging. hey, yeah, of course we were there from the

very. >> beginning and then. >> threatened the iranians, saying they're using a lot of very powerful american weapons. i think. >> it's a little. >> more nuanced. >> than that. >> i think. >> he did. >> his he. >> did not. he still wanted. >> to give the. >> talks a chance. >> there were some scheduled. >> for. >> this past. >> weekend. >> but once. >> and he did not. tell netanyahu. no. >> because if he. >> had flat out said. >> no. >> odds are. >> israel wouldn't have. >> remember, president. >> trump did. >> tell him no back. >> in april, and israel held off. >> so. >> but once. >> it did. >> happen. >> trump was very quick to. >> and saw. >> trump saw. >> how successful. >> it was. >> there was. >> a rush. >> there to. >> say, look, this is. >> okay with us. this is going. >> to be. >> all right. he then. >> shifted to think. >> well, maybe because. >> it has been. >> successful that. >> might push iran. >> to capitulate, to go. back to the. >> bargaining table. so he still wants there to. >> be talks. >> but now. >> he views the. strikes as a means to get there. >> now. >> others may disagree with. >> whether that will happen. >> or not. >> they think that tehran. >> needs. >> to fight. >> for a while just to save face domestically. but that is what i am told the president. >> now thinks. >> which is why he. >> said yesterday. so the position is, jonathan, if i understand it, the position is

he would prefer peace talks that he managed and that he that he brought to a. successful conclusion more than he would prefer regime change in all out war. so you're saying. >> that is correct? >> and there are some reports. >> out yesterday which israel has disputed, that trump had told israel. >> do not assassinate the supreme. >> leader, do. >> not. target the leader of iran. >> like leave him. >> off the list. >> now there's been some, as you see here, there are a couple news reports cited that yesterday. >> israel has denied. that that occurred. >> so we will see what. >> happens in. >> the days ahead. >> but your. >> basic assessment. is correct. >> he would. >> still prefer there. to be a negotiated end to this rather. >> than the continued assault. >> but because the. >> assault is going so. >> well, richard. >> he has sort of gotten on. >> board a. >> little bit. i mean. >> yes, there is. it's a confusing time in the white house right now. they're trying to adjust. >> what's your read of what. >> trump is, how trump handled this. >> what does he want? >> well, he's straddling it because he's and he's going to have to decide at some point. israel has launched this war of choice, jonathan, without clear goals, one possible goal is regime change. but that's not

something you can bring about militarily. the other is nuking iran. they can't achieve that without us help. we have to provide essentially munitions and targeting information that we haven't yet done. so donald trump is going to have to decide whether he does that. israel, if they they can then carry out one of those goals, hopefully from their point of view. if they can't, the other possibility is this goes on. we're all thinking about this having a neat end. another possibility is you have a kind of on again, off again war situation between israel and iran. and i wouldn't rule that out as a possibility rather than a need end. this could just stay messy for a long time. >> so i'm. >> curious. >> david ignatius, before we go to break, i'm curious. richard talked about the possibility of israel moving forward with the nuking of iran. let's take this out of, of, you know, president trump's hands. if joe biden had had the opportunity to tell israel, press ahead and get rid

of iran's nukes, if barack obama, if george w bush, if any of these presidents in the 21st century had this opportunity, would they have told israel to hold back? or would they quietly have sat back? >> based on. >> your best guess, your best judgment, and let let them go ahead, let the israelis go ahead and rid the world of iran's possibility capability of creating nuclear weapon programs. >> joe, in every. >> instance i can. >> think of, the united states has been a more active partner with israel in its operations in the middle east than in this case, from secretary of state marco rubio's initial statement through trump's conversations after talking to vladimir putin. his other posts yesterday. you just see the united states standing back more from israeli actions than has been the case in the past. i think in part, that reflects a general american

frustration not limited to trump with israel's inability to reach a stable settlement in gaza, even when it's achieved what its generals say is, is an acceptable military solution. even so, the fighting goes on. fewer and fewer gazans are killed. but netanyahu doesn't seem to know how to or want to end the war. and i think that's led to some frustration. >> on the fundamental. >> question of whether this war leads to a different iran than what we've seen, what we we've been struggling to deal with since 1979. remember, i think the key question is whether iranians can be convinced that the reason they're so vulnerable today, cities across the country are under attack is because the leadership has been spending all this time focusing on other proxies outside the country. they've been working with hezbollah, they've been sending weapons and people to syria and yemen and helping gaza. they've done everything but defend the

homeland. that that's the argument. i think that a successful challenge to the iranian regime would make you you closed all fiddle around with all the windows, but you left the door wide open. and here they are. and that that might be over time. it would take some weeks a winning argument. >> well. >> and it may. >> be a. >> winning. >> argument, especially if you look back over the past decade, the last 15 years, and look at the unrest that's. >> been going. >> on internally inside. >> of iran. >> the green revolution and other flare ups that we've seen over the past ten, 15 years. >> regime in iran. >> that was unpopular with a large segment of the population well before this war began. the washington post david ignatius, thank you so much. always greatly appreciate you being here and hope you had a wonderful father's day. and still ahead on morning joe, we're going to turn back to this weekend's tragedy in minnesota. democratic senator amy

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>> don't fear the fungus. with jublia. >> welcome back. we turn now again. >> to the breaking. >> news from overnight. the suspect in a pair of targeted. >> shootings of minnesota. >> lawmakers is. >> now. >> in police. >> custody this morning. >> vance luther has been charged. >> with two counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder after a multi-day manhunt. >> joining us now. >> democratic senator. >> amy klobuchar of minnesota. >> senator klobuchar. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> this morning. we should also. >> offer condolences. >> this is obviously a very hard. moment for the state. >> writ large. >> but. >> especially for you. >> i know. >> melissa hortman. >> one of the victims. >> in the shooting, was. >> someone you knew. >> very well. >> you. >> had seen recently. >> tell us. >> a little. >> bit about her, please. >> of course. >> just as we. >> talk about political. >> violence and people talk about statistics. >> and motives. i hope one thing that. >> comes out of this is. people will understand what some fine

public servants are about, and that is melissa hortman. this is a woman that went in. i got to know her. we were both moms with young kids running for office. she knew practically everyone in her district. she worked at her dad's used auto parts store. she juggled being a girl scout leader and a sunday school teacher and trained dogs. she loved dogs, and she and her husband raised two great kids. all that time, she moved up in the legislature and became what many are saying, including republicans in our state. one of the most consequential speakers of the house in minnesota history, ushering in major changes to law like school lunch and paid family leave. and just this last year. and i think joe would especially appreciated this. the legislature was tied and she and representative demuth, her republican counterpart through the year, negotiated a budget and were able to negotiate a budget for the state with the governor's

support. that is melissa, and i cannot tell you what a decent person she was. so i do hope, as we call, for bringing the temperature down, unless horrific rhetoric and posts that people remember her face and what she did, as well as my friend senator hoffman, who is thankfully and somehow recovering with his wife yvette, despite multiple multiple gunshots. >> senator. >> you talked about bringing the. temperature down. it feels like the temperature is only. >> rising, right? >> the threats against lawmakers. but at. >> the federal. >> state and local level. >> can you talk a little bit about. >> that being. >> a u.s. >> senator, how. >> many are you seeing a. >> massive surge in threats? are you taking precautions? are you getting more security compared. >> to, say, a. >> couple of years ago? >> we have been and certainly in the last few days here in minnesota, a number of elected leaders have received more security. and i think senator

thune and senator schumer for asking for that security on the senate side. but what when i was chair of the rules committee, i worked really hard to get more security for members homes and offices, and that is because of the facts. 2016 there were about 1700 threats against members of congress. now, in the last year of 2024, there were over 9000 threats. you're seeing the same in the judiciary, with judges appointed by both republican and democratic presidents and governors. you're seeing the same thing with election judges. people are reading things online. this is just my view. this is a lot of it. look at the unbalanced sick man who bludgeoned speaker pelosi's husband. they read things online. they believe them. they start acting them out. they already are imbalanced themselves. and they actually go do what they're reading online. so that has been a contributor as well as, of course, a lot of hateful rhetoric. and there's a lot of politicians that should be looking in the mirror and

bring their rhetoric down. >> well, one politician and i will say a man that i've known and in in the past have had a good relationship and like, seemed like a soft spoken man, but somebody that posted this weekend, republican senator mike lee of utah, obviously facing strong criticism for social media posts about the minnesota shooting suspect. yesterday, lee posted a picture of the suspect at the door of one of the lawmakers with the caption, this is what happens when marxists don't get their way. it is a pinned tweet at the top of his page. 25 minutes later, the senator posted another picture of the suspected shooter with the caption nightmare on wall street. mocking. of course, the situation with the name of the minnesota governor. whether this post came hours before lee tweeted a happy father's day

message. conservative journalist. >> brad polumbo. >> responded to one of the posts, writing, quote, what the hell is mike lee doing? has he completely lost it? meanwhile, contributing editor for the atlantic, norm ornstein, wrote even for mike lee, this is beyond disgusting disinformation beneath contempt. we're we're used to, senator. we're used to wackos on on the extremes, on both sides posting bizarre things on social media. what happens when it's mainstreamed by a senator? again, a guy that i've. known and used to try to be a thoughtful, conservative voice for small government conservatism. when he starts posting things like this. and what what is the what's the united states senates answer to that? i only ask that because i can tell you back in my days, i guess in the stone age it is now. i mean, the senator on either side would have been roundly condemned by members of

his or her own party if they had done this. >> i have condemned what mike lee did here at home, and i will speak to him about this when i return. and what i'm going to tell him is, you know, this isn't funny. what happened here? this was an incredible woman. her husband, her two kids. yesterday, on father's day, there was no father's day for them. they lost both their parents. i'll tell him about the law enforcement that did incredible work here. we had a 43 hour manhunt. the biggest manhunt in minnesota's history. hundreds and hundreds of officers, 20 swat teams going door to door to door. citizens on edge, hiding in their homes. and they finally were able to arrest this man who was armed, but there was not a shooting, and bring him into custody and did their jobs. and by the way, if the police had not on their own, decided to go over to representative portman's home without a call because of what

they noticed, of course, had happened the tragedy at senator hoffman's house, they thought, well, maybe we should check this out. well, they weren't able to prevent the deaths. they were able to identify the suspect because he ran out and his car was left there. otherwise, more people would have been killed. so that's what i'm going to tell senator lee when i get back to washington today. because this is not a laughing matter. and certainly what we're seeing in increasing violence. and this evil man who did this, this is not a joke. >> all right. >> democratic senator amy. >> klobuchar of minnesota, thank you so much for being with us this morning. thank you. and please send our, our our thoughts and prayers and love to the families and the people of minnesota. >> i will. >> do that. thank you. >> all right. thank you. so, jim vandehei, we obviously over the past several years, we've had the bludgeoning of paul pelosi, two assassination attempts against donald trump, josh

shapiro's governor's mansion, attempted arson and parts of his home scorched. then these assassinations in minnesota. is there any thought among leaders on capitol hill and also in the administration throughout, throughout the country on how to curb this political violence? i don't. >> think. there is. right. >> the fact that you i think you nailed it right. >> the fact that you have. >> a sitting u.s. >> senator tweeting out. >> such jackassery, right. >> like people were killed. >> there was a manhunt. >> ongoing in. >> a u.s. >> senator thought that the best. >> use of his. >> time was to mock, was to. >> accuse it of being. >> a part of. an ideological plant. >> and the. >> fact that. >> that's. >> normalized, that. >> there wasn't. >> more of a response. >> shows that there's. >> just no real. >> solution coming from lawmakers. >> and, by the way, it. >> is hitting. >> liberals and conservatives. >> anybody who. >> gets on social. >> media understands algorithms,

understands. >> how they're meant. >> to get you all hopped up. >> on topics. >> you're already hopped up about. eventually, you. >> become disassociated, i think. >> i mean, how else can. >> you. >> explain. >> senators. >> you know, taunting or tweeting. >> things that we might. >> have done. >> drinking when we were 18? >> you're a us senator? yeah. i mean, and, jim, you and i got to the hill about the same time. you as a reporter, me as a member of congress. can you just underline for everybody what i said that let's say a republican senator had done something like this after a tragedy, how you would have had. then majority or minority leader trent lott call them to their office, tear them to shreds rhetorically, and then they would be, you know, we, you know, go to the floor and, you know, weep and apologize. so they wouldn't be censured. same thing with the democrats. if a if a democrat had done this, you would have seen the same thing

happening. i mean, and again, with mike lee, there's a guy again who for the most part was a soft spoken guy who conservatives, conservatives, small government conservative. i'm just i'm just curious. i mean, how did we get here and talk about how radically things have changed since you first got to washington on this score? and, and, and, and we're asking this question because when this continues, the violence is sure to follow. yeah. >> i mean. >> the thing is, norms slip. >> slowly. >> then suddenly. right. >> and i think the. >> root cause here. >> probably is social. media as. >> an outlet. >> for any idea. >> any absurd. >> thought that you have to. >> be distributed at scale instantaneously. >> the fact that the. >> more provocative. >> it. >> is, the more likely you're going to. >> get engagement. >> creates kind of. >> a mental. >> almost like a. >> dopamine jolt when. >> you get people. >> applauding things. >> no matter. >> how silly. >> the things are that you're saying. and the only. >> way you.

>> change that. >> is what you're. >> talking. >> about, is. >> you somehow have to get back to. >> the fact that. >> you. >> live in the. >> same country. >> you're running the same government. >> you can have ideological. differences in not taunt each other or accuse. >> the other of the most. >> awful atrocities. >> you can. >> do it. it was. >> done when you were in congress. like you said. >> people would have been censured. >> you literally. >> would have been a vote. >> on the house. >> or senate. >> floor censuring you for your behavior. >> and those votes almost never took place because there were norms that people stuck to. >> and there's. >> nothing soft. about norms. there's nothing whiny. about norms. you can have political debate. >> you can. >> have differences. >> without doing. >> what senator. >> lee did. and senator. >> lee is not alone. >> we're picking on him. >> today because he had the dumbest. >> tweet of. >> the day. >> but there's. >> other. >> lawmakers that do it all the time. >> i even watch. democrats now. >> responding to republicans. and it's almost like. >> they're picking. >> up. >> the trump habits. >> the amount of profanity, the amount of. >> like taunting. >> the amount of making. >> fun of people. >> like it feels good, but it

doesn't really solve anything. >> right. and i. >> think that's why the american people wake. >> up. >> every day. >> and they're just exhausted. >> they're exhausted. they don't. >> know what. >> to believe. >> think about. >> this weekend. >> if you. i feel. >> so bad. for people who. >> don't have. >> to marinate in this. >> crap all day. >> how would you. even know if. >> the. crowds were. >> big this weekend? >> or whether. >> or not the shooter was. >> a liberal. >> or. >> a conservative? >> it depends what. channel you. >> went into. >> it depends. >> what social. >> media feed. >> you were into. >> the amount of. >> nonsense that was. >> filtering out there. >> and that's why. >> i think a lot of people. >> just say. >> to hell with it, i'm not going. >> to pay attention. >> to anything. >> i'm going. >> to go have. >> a life. >> and i'll let politics be politics. >> and maybe. >> i. >> won't go vote, and i won't demand that. >> you. >> return to those norms. >> right. and you can say the same thing about what happened out in la. >> if you're in. >> one media ecosystem. then there were riots on every street corner in la. >> and. >> burning cars, you know, millions of burning cars and just absolute chaos. if you were on the other side, it was like, you know, springtime and, you know, people handing daisies out to each other. there was no sort

of in between there. and even bill maher said on friday night just how frustrated he was that, you know, people on the hard right were trying to suggest that there were riots on every street, he said. there just wasn't. it's just, again, it's a skewed reality that that these people that that are locked into one political ecosystem are seeing. it was far more balanced than that. now, jim, before you go, we want to follow up on i had a great conversation with you on ai a few weeks ago, but you got a new behind the curtains piece for access this morning that you wrote with mike allen, and it's a continuation that you look at ai and you ask, what if they're right? and of course the they are those people that are saying that human existence. let's let's just stop and take a deep breath for a second. human existence may be be at risk as as the power of ai rises. and you decided to dig

deeper, talk to people who are actually responsible for creating these models, creating ai models. and you say for many of those, they believe there may. >> be a. >> as much as like a 20% chance that that that humans may be, at the end of the day, wiped off the face of the earth because of ai. explain. >> even hearing. >> you frame this. >> like we. >> sound nuts, right? >> it sounds like what you're talking about. >> a technology that could. >> destroy humanity. >> and i think it's. >> too much. for people to get. >> their. >> heads around. >> but we've been. >> trying to do with this column. >> and i think you've been. >> trying to do with this show. >> is tell people this. isn't make believe. >> this is what. >> the. >> people who are creating. >> the technology, the. >> people building the. >> technology, the. >> people quitting. >> the companies after. >> helping build. >> the. >> technology because they actually. >> believe there's not an insignificant chance that this technology could grow. smarter

than humans and literally wipe out our species, which seems. >> to. me like. >> a. >> pretty big deal. and we. >> talk in there. >> like elon. >> musk. who's building his own ai. there's this thing called doom. it's the percentage chance that you think that i could. >> wipe. >> out humanity. >> musk ppe. >> doom is 10 to 20%. dario amodei, who's anthropic. who who we. interviewed his is somewhere between. >> 10. >> and 25%. lex fridman, the. >> popular podcaster. >> who had sundar pichai. >> on in. >> the last. >> week. >> said his numbers. >> at 10%. >> i'm like. >> that's a big deal. >> i would. >> you get on an airplane if you. >> thought there. >> was a 20% chance it's. >> going down. >> would you build. >> an airplane. >> if you thought there was a 20% chance that people on it could. >> be killed? so. >> jim, so. >> explain this. so explain why they keep building it. because it's very interesting, as i've talked to ai leaders, people in the industry that are just at the forefront of the ai revolution. any time you start asking about safeguards,

guardrails to stop this technology that they don't even understand, that's a great point that you brought out. they they feed these models all of this information. they don't even understand what's going on that's so important. they don't understand how this is happening. it's not it's not like oppenheimer, who's explaining what happened with the atoms, you know, came to know these people don't understand what's going on. and there have been several times you report that they've actually caught the ai models trying to deceive the humans who actually were feeding the information in there. and every time you ask, well, why can't we have safeguards. like the us government had after after hiroshima and nagasaki, i hear it, i hear it time and again. whether you're talking about ai curbs, whether you're talking about a kill switch, whether you're talking about breaking up some of these monopolies in silicon valley, the answer is

always the same. can't do it. china will beat us. talk about how how they're waving the chinese flag to basically say, yeah, might wipe out all of humanity, but my gosh, we can't let china get ahead of us, can we? >> it's why. >> people should. >> pay. attention to this. it is a it's not a. >> unrealistic argument. >> that they're making. >> because there is. >> this battle. >> to create kind. >> of superhuman intelligence. and if. >> china were. >> to beat us. >> to it, and right. >> now almost. >> everyone believes we have probably a year plus. >> head start. on china. >> well, that. >> technology is. >> what is going to. >> basically power the future. >> of war. >> drones, robots, satellites, space, the. >> amount of. >> money we're talking. >> at play here. you're talking. >> trillions and trillions. >> of dollars. the largest companies. >> in. >> the world. >> us companies. >> your your. >> alphabet's your. >> meta's your openai's. >> these companies. >> in many cases are the. >> size of big nations. and all of them are investing in the.

exact same technology. so those people that say it's. >> all overhyped. >> i don't want to pay attention to it. then why are. >> the biggest, most successful. companies in the history of humanity investing more. >> money than. >> we've ever seen. >> pushed in one direction. >> ever, because they think. >> it's. >> going to be as. powerful as they say. >> and if we beat. >> china to. >> it, it probably does give us a much better chance at setting the. worldwide rules. so i don't think there will be regulation. >> that's one of the. >> reasons we've written a lot about. >> this, is that congress. >> and others. >> should probably pay a little. >> more attention. >> a lot more attention. jim vandehei, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. appreciate your reporting. and we're going to recap the military parade in washington that happened on saturday to honor the 250th anniversary of the army, but also happened to fall on president trump's birthday. that was going on as many americans took to the streets in cities across america to protest donald trump's policies, will try to sort through all of that with you straight ahead on morning joe.

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>> one. >> oh my goodness. >> what. >> a way to win. j.j. spaun weathered tough conditions in a wet round at oakmont yesterday, doing a little tom watson there to capture his first major in a memorable finish at the 125th us open after burning the previous hole to take a one shot lead. spaun. sank that 65 foot birdie putt on 18 to win the tournament by two strokes. he was the only golfer to finish under par at one under 279. let's bring in right now, the host of pablo torre finds out on meadowlark media, msnbc contributor pablo torre. but first we must go to morning joe's senior golf analyst, richard haas. richard, what a putt. what a win. oakmont, one of the toughest courses in the country, made that much tougher. made unplayable really by that weather. it looked more like the open the british open look, it was fantastic. what's so interesting? a couple of things,

j.j. one, here's a guy who shot 40 on the front nine and then 32 on the back. and when he talked about how he collected himself during the hour and a half rain delay, it was only his second tour win ever. he chose pretty, pretty good day. but joe, what was amazing, the real winner was the course. oakmont. unbelievably difficult. and actually it was fun to watch. >> because what. >> the guys who hit the ball a mile and then have like a driver wedge on. >> a. >> par five, they didn't do well. the rory mcilroy's and dechambeau's. this was a win for someone who hits his drives 260 yards and has a totally controlled game. it was almost a throwback to the days of old, so i was i thought it was as good as golf gets nowadays. yeah, an extraordinary. >> final putt. >> obviously, pablo. >> but i one take. >> i read over the. >> weekend was that. >> it. was going to be the first. >> because the. >> course was so hard and players were struggling so much that it was. >> going to be the. >> first major ever without. >> a winner. >> oh. >> look. this was this whole day. >> i mean, there was. >> like a. >> father's day vibe to it for me personally, both because. i am not good at golf but could enjoy people struggling who are. >> good at golf. also.

>> j.j. spaun, if you don't know him, understandable. had never won a major before. just like me, a filipino descent just like me has a daughter named violet, just like me. >> who began. >> his day yesterday. >> going to cvs. >> at 3 a.m. because. >> said violet. >> was puking. >> this is the man who. >> just walked off at oakmont. an incredible, dare i say, inspirational story. >> to, you know. >> the people who. >> maybe aren't quite. >> as. >> as clutch in such certain scenarios? >> i would say. so what. >> is the. cbs anecdote. >> is. >> really great. we turn now to the. >> major league. >> baseball and. another weekend of the yankees. >> losing to the red sox. >> hit a high. >> fly left field back toward. >> the wall, dominguez turning around. that one is on the top shelf. >> maybe that is gone. that's a. >> home run that. got over. >> the red hot shot in the. >> fifth inning. >> helping the. >> lead the red sox to. >> a20 win and a. >> three game sweep. >> of the yankees. they've

beaten the bronx. >> bombers. >> five out of six times in the last. >> week. >> or so. but new york will no longer. have to worry about devers. >> in the boston lineup. >> he is on the yankees for years, but after the. >> game. the red. >> sox traded. >> a. >> stunning trade, traded the three time all star to the san. >> francisco giants. >> in exchange for two pitchers. >> including lefty starter kyle harrison. >> as well as a pair. >> of prospects joe the giants. also picking up all of devers contract. and it's a big one. >> so this. >> is a pretty. >> polarizing trade for red sox fans. i think you and i don't totally see eye to eye on it. i think that. >> like look. >> devers rightly came under real criticism this year. he he they they brought in bregman. devers was sulked about moving off third base when they then approached him, including the owner of the team approached him about playing the field again, whether it's third base or first, devers said no. he and cora, the manager, have. >> really clashed. >> those are real issues. the contract also huge. devers, the kind of player who may not age well. he is, though still their best hitter. they do this at a

moment. >> where. >> they're playing really well. they do have. >> a lot. >> of young players. they need to fit in the lineup. but i think they're baseball reasons for this trade, joe. but i think that there are elements of the fan base who are upset. this is another red sox star gone. >> yeah, yeah. you know, the thing is though, this this to me at least, and we do disagree on this. i think pretty strongly. to me, this isn't a mookie betts trade. this is more of a nomar trade. you're getting no more as we get rid of no more in 2004, one of our best players, a fan favorite out of the clubhouse, he was seen by many as being a disruptive force in the clubhouse. not a not not not great with the team, not great. >> with the fans. >> they got rid of him and they won their first world series since 2000 since 1918. but pablo, obviously there are a lot of people in red sox nation going crazy online. yeah, about this trade, but let me just ask you this question. i'm dead serious. if you got a guy who shows up wildly overweight to

spring training, he tells the coach he's not going to play in spring training. he spends. spring training tossing the ball on the back lot with with young, young kids. he then refuses to take grounders in spring training for third base and first base. decorah. he then has the owner after their first baseman goes down, fly out to kansas city. john henry flew out to kansas city, had the first meeting. >> with. >> him, said, hey, we really need you. you're the face of the franchise. we really need you to play first base. >> it opens up so many. >> things and makes us such a better team. he says no. john henry takes a. >> second meeting. >> later that day, comes back with a no. he tells his two front office people that are with him. you know what? we're going to stay another night. i'm

going to sit, talk to him again, try to sort through what we did wrong here, and i'm going to ask him, man to man. can you please play first base? we're paying you a lot of money. we need you to play first base. and raffy devers looks at john henry the next morning and says, quote, according to my sources, very close to the conversation, quote, i will never play first base for the boston red sox. fast forward a couple of weeks, maybe a month, and last week he hits a ground ball in a competitive game that the red sox desperately need, and he dogs. >> it running. >> to first base, refuses to run out of ground ball where he would have been safe, and he's laughing as he goes to the dugout. alex course going what? and i know. >> cora is. >> thinking, wait a second. so let me get this straight.

>> you won't. >> take grounders for third base or first base. you won't play first. >> base. >> and now you're not going to even run out. >> ground balls. >> that you can beat out in a competitive game. i'm sorry, but if you're in red sox nation. >> and say. >> you don't want to dump that $250 million and invest it in somebody that wants to help the red sox get to the world series, i'm sorry. we're from different universes, because if he doesn't want to. play in a way that's going to help the red sox, why do we want him? how many points do i get for that? >> pablo? >> i was just. >> checking to make sure there wasn't more. >> i loved. i loved. >> the genealogy. >> the biblical. >> genealogy of the dissolution. >> of a. >> guy whose name. when i show up to this table. >> joe and. >> i listen to you and john talk. >> about the. >> red sox. devers is in the 1000 point font in. >> the word cloud. >> and it's for. >> the reasons. >> you mentioned of course. also for the reasons of me getting to. >> laugh at you. >> guys, i. >> will not apologize for how.

deliciously unrelatable this. >> story is to a yankee fan. >> we made. a-rod play third. you know we. >> do this sort of thing. you don't want to play a position. guess what? you're doing it. in this. >> case, though. >> what you're totally right about. and by the way, there is some reporting in that for those watching it, for those scoring at home, joe scarborough maybe just reported some stuff in that. >> in. >> that litany. >> this is. >> clearly a story. >> about labor. >> and management. >> this is clear. yes. >> it's a story. >> about your. >> boss and an employee who. >> just got a massive deal, who doesn't want to do the things that contractually. they have a disagreement about. and that's. >> an age old story. >> it's a funny. >> story to me. >> but this is, you. >> know. >> who's in charge story. >> and the red. >> sox. >> said. >> actually, it's us. >> well, who wants to help the team win? it's that story to who wants to run out grounders. and run. it out to first base. and who laughs it off? it's not. it's only not a good look. like, you know, we're the little engine that could. pablo. we're

we're desperate to get above 500. we're just a bunch of kids that just scraped a team together and made aaron judge go one for 12 this weekend. we're just a team that sometimes our pitchers have trouble finding fenway. and yet we somehow managed to strike him out nine times this weekend. we're just a team. that's got a kid from texas. that says if he's. >> if he. >> if there's no other team in the universe. >> but the yankees. >> he refuses. >> to play. >> for the. >> yankees. >> and he shuts. >> them down two times. 100 dobbins for the hall of fame. this is a team that made the yankees look like a triple-a squad. jonathan lemire so we need all the help we can get. let's just forget about devers for a second. i personally think again, when you have roman anthony, when you have marcelo, marcelo mayer, who, by the way, looks like brooks robinson, come on this weekend. unbelievable.

we win. when you have the young players that we have. jonathan i'm serious here. i'm serious here before we go to news. and alex is stroking out right now. >> alex knows how it feels. >> you listen to. >> john smoltz. you listen to you listen to the guys on fox. you listen to the guys on espn over the past week. they all said the same thing. this team, it doesn't make sense. none of the pieces seem. >> to. >> be fitting. it's like everybody's. >> just sort of they're jamming. >> people in in different places. they can't get into rhythm. why can't they get into rhythm? because their best player, their highest paid. player is saying, i'm not going. >> to do what. >> my manager says, what my general manager says, what my owner says will make the red sox the best team in the east. so what do you do? well, you go out and you pummel the new york yankees and make them look like a i. i wouldn't say a triple-a team. i'd say a double-a team. jonathan. oh, it was a delicious.

>> weekend. let's be sure. >> i just. >> want to get an amen for joe scarborough. everything he just said right there. i think first of all, also raffy devers, he's not going to play third base in san francisco either because they got matt chapman. >> one of the best in the league. >> i assume he'll have to dh out there. but you're right there. there's roster construction issues with this team. this does free up. they have some young players who are all very excited about there are reasons for this is not let's underline this. this was not the mookie betts trade that was unforgivable. there are reasons for this one. part two of this will be the money the red sox just saved. they now need to spend. they need to spend. fans need to see that. let's keep winning. msnbc contributor pablo torre. that is enough smugness out of you today about the. >> red sox. sorry. >> i can't hear you from the. >> fourth place in the. that's it. i can't really hear you from down there. >> it's hard to just. >> five. >> out of six in the last ten days. >> i was. >> going to wish you a happy father's day to joe. >> and all that. >> but not after. >> look at this. >> here come the sox. >> we are actually. >> only a half game out of the wild. >> card breathing down the blue jays. >> guys. >> congrats. all right. >> pablo, thank you, thank you, thank you. all right. still ahead here on morning joe, we will turn back to news and we'll

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>> the office of israeli. prime minister benjamin netanyahu says 24 israeli citizens have been killed since iran started launching missiles on friday. the strikes came hours after israel targeted iran's capital and other parts of the country in a bid to neutralize its nuclear program. the israeli airstrikes have continued in the days since, citing iranian media, nbc news reports. israeli strikes in iran have killed over 220 people since friday, with over 90% of fatalities reported to be civilians. let's bring in right now nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons, live from dubai and keir david ignatius, richard haass and i had a conversation earlier this morning just talking about how at this point, it appears that iran's certainly air defenses and most other defenses have just completely dropped, and israel can attack

at will. where does that lead us in this conflict? >> well, that's right, joe and i was just talking, actually, in the last hour to someone in tehran who's telling me that he is organizing to get his family, his wife and kids out of the city to safety. he doesn't think that this is going to end in days. he says weeks, maybe months. as you just mentioned, there double figure casualties. now on the israeli side, triple figure casualties on the iranian side. certainly. i think it's correct to say that tactically, israel has won a impressive victory because as israeli military officials are telling us, they have control of the skies, something that russia, for example, has not managed to do at any stage over ukraine. and they are able to kind of drop munitions at will. frankly, there are reports of israel targeting a site thousands of

miles from israel, a long distance and impressive distance. and then all of the reports about the intelligence operation that was involved in the original strike, the fact that iran was surprised, all of that adds up to a tactically impressive picture. when you look ahead, though, i think there's more of a question mark. there's certainly is no indication that the iranians are ready to capitulate. and certainly the israelis have not achieved what looks like what are, i would say, two of their key goals there. one clear key goal is to end demolish iran's nuclear program. well, they have done, according to the israelis, real damage in a number of nuclear sites. isfahan, for example, natanz. but in fordow, which is the famously. i know you've been talking about it already today, joe is the famously, deeply dug in nuclear

site in iran. they the by the israelis own account, they haven't touched that site yet. and the thinking was, as we've talked about that prior to this, it would take a 30,000 pound us bomb to hit fordo. is president trump prepared to do that? is the question. >> so keir, talk about from dubai. talk about the fascinating situation that the arab states find themselves in. i have been speaking to leaders in the region who have said, yes, of course, we have to condemn this publicly. we have to call for an end of these strikes on israel. but, i mean, the very real insight that i get talking to them is they are they if whether you're talking about the saudis, talking about the

jordanians, talking about the emiratis, talking about so many leaders and diplomats in those countries, they they are less than concerned about israel's nuclear capabilities being blown to pieces. so talk about the difference between what arab states, especially sunni arab states in the region, will say publicly. but what they're telling you privately. >> well, they're watching very closely to state the obvious. and they are, i think, getting some. some enjoyment, perhaps from the prospect of a very, very weakened tehran, which is what it looks like right now. i do i think we have to caveat all of this, joe, with the with what we always say, don't we? and we're now we're getting some bitter experience of this, that

war, the fog of war makes predictions about what happens next extremely difficult. but the certainly for a country like saudi arabia, iran has been a problem for a long time. and they they are the if you like, the two big beasts in the middle east facing each other off geographically and politically. and for saudi arabia, the advantage of what might be happening, what might be happening in iran is that if prime minister netanyahu gets his way and there's regime change in iran, well, that will solve a problem for saudi arabia. and if iran, iran does not get a nuclear weapon, that solves another problem, which is that iran with a nuclear weapon would leave saudi arabia wanting to know how it would be protected from a nuclear standpoint. so, yes, that all of that is true. but i think there's also nervousness about where this goes from here in the sense of say, for example, the

supreme leader khamenei leaves the country, say, for example, he is executed by the israelis, which, as our own reporting says, the trump administration said should not happen. but of course, they appear to have said that israel should not carry out this campaign either, and the campaign went ahead, or at least that they didn't like the idea. so i would say some satisfaction sitting back and watching and anxiousness. >> nbc's keir simmons. >> live from dubai. keir, thank you for. >> your reporting. >> joining us now, contributing editor for the. financial times, kim ghattas. she is also. >> a contributing. >> writer at the atlantic and senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. karim sadjadpour he focuses on iran and u.s. foreign policy towards the middle east. our thanks to you both for being here. i'll start with you. just your assessment as to what you're seeing right now in these early days of this campaign.

israel does, as we've been discussing all morning, appears to see an opening here and partially with hamas and hezbollah so weakened they haven't been able to retaliate. yes. iran lands the missiles in israel overnight. there have been some in some people killed and injured injuries there. but tehran, this is the weakest they've been in a long time. and it seems israel really sees an opening. >> that's absolutely right. >> israel obviously has a huge military, financial, intelligence and diplomatic advantage over iran. there's no question that israel can prevail in a head to head war. i think the big question is, is what starts to happen is the is the dust settles? number one, what does this do to the stability of the iranian regime, in particular, the future of the 86 year old supreme leader ayatollah khamenei? obviously, this is a regime which is which is deeply unpopular. but we know from history that when

authoritarian regimes collapse, it's not only pressure from below, but also divisions and fissures at the top. and so far, we haven't seen any elite fissures inside iran. and then the second obvious question is how does iran choose to respond with its nuclear program? up until now, they've taken a very deliberate approach towards a nuclear weapons capability. they may decide that they need to make a dash now, either covertly or overtly, for nuclear weapons. >> kim, i'm curious. >> how how stable the regime. >> will will remain in iran. >> we obviously. >> have seen. >> revolts against the regime over the past year, past ten, 15 years, from the green revolution to young women in particular, protesting against iranian leadership. what what impact do you think that's going to have is this fighting continues and the regime shows weakness. >> joe. >> i think that two things might

happen and it might evolve into in two different ways. the regime. >> is, to. >> some extent. obviously under attack. >> feels weakened. >> but. >> i don't think. >> we should expect it to capitulate, which is what. benjamin netanyahu would like to see as the end result of his military campaign. >> i think. >> the more likely scenario there is, as karim. >> indicates. >> there. might be. fissures at the top. and then when it comes to the people, i. >> think people. >> are quite anxious. >> about what is happening. they may dislike hate this islamic republic that has made the lives of. >> millions of iranians, especially. >> the youth, so miserable. >> but i'm not sure they want to be. liberated by an israeli military campaign. opinions will be divided. >> it's a terrifying thing. >> to be in a war, and a lot of iranians will remember eight years of war between iran and iraq and how they were abandoned by the rest of the world. but i think the key thing. >> to look.

>> at here is what is the strategy, what is really benjamin netanyahu's strategy beyond a tactically spectacular opening blow? that's not how the war will be judged. it will be judged by how it ends. and if it ends in chaos, then there will be no success at all, either for the iranians nor for the region. and i think that where benjamin netanyahu and president donald trump are going to disagree is on the way forward. benjamin netanyahu, as i said, i think wants capitulation, which is not a word that is in the lexicon of this iranian regime. and president trump is going to want negotiations, i believe, fairly soon. and i want to point out one more thing. on october 7th, we heard from benjamin netanyahu, a lot of israeli officials that this was the start of a war that would transform the middle east. and what we've had so far is definitely some key successes the weakening of hezbollah, the fall of the regime of assad,

which was a byproduct of everything that's happened over the last year. but in gaza, there's no capitulation, there's devastation. it's been over 15 months and there's no no result there. and this statement by benjamin netanyahu on october 7th comes from the man, benjamin netanyahu, who in 2002 advocated for the war against iraq and said that the removal of saddam would be a walk in the park and would bring very positive development in the region. now, i think he he might come back and argue, well, you know, 20 years later, here we are. it is starting to become a success. >> yeah. you know, kim, it's fascinating. when you're the question that you're raising about iran, people like david ignatius and i'm sure you and others who are asking about israel the day after the october 7th attacks, okay, we understand you are going to attack the leadership. what's your plan for the day after the war? that still hasn't been articulated by benjamin netanyahu, whether it's in gaza or anywhere else in the

region. i wanted to ask you, kim. question. i asked keir simmons a few minutes ago, and that is about the sunni arab nation's response to what's going on in this war. of course, condemnations publicly, but privately. obviously, states like saudi arabia, jordan, the uae, not not not weeping for what's going on with iran, who is considered themselves to be their their implacable foes for quite some time. talk about that balancing act and where you think most of these sunni arab nations are right now. as this war escalates? >> i'd make three. >> quick points, joe. i think quiet satisfaction to see iran knocked down. you know, another layer. you know, this is a country that they've been at odds with for 40 years. anxiety

about the fact that the u.s. could get involved or they could get dragged in, or they they might face the ire of the iranians with missiles launched at oil facilities, etc, and then generally a sense that they all want to get on with business. you know, we saw president trump's visit to the middle east. it was all about big, beautiful deals. and now we're in a regional war with no, you know, no clear end game in sight. so i think it's very conflicted what they're what they're feeling. and i think they probably would like negotiations to get underway fairly soon, if not within days than than within weeks. but i'm sure karim has some great insights there too. >> and in fact, karim will tee you up on on exactly that. what are you what are you looking for here in these next, crucial few days? >> well. >> a big question is going. to obviously be america's disposition. does america continue to give israel leeway to carry out this operation, or are they going to be under

pressure, the israelis to wrap things up? i don't think even with the benefit of hindsight, that, as kim alluded to, this is a regime which feels that if you if you capitulate under pressure, that doesn't alleviate the pressure against you, it only projects weakness and invites more of it. so i think we're going to be in this situation for a while. and, you know, the big question, as i you've spoken about this morning is if iran decides to advance its nuclear program at the underground facility at fordo, president trump is likely going to have to get involved directly because israel doesn't have the capacity to take out those facilities. and my understanding from talking to american military commanders is that the process of getting israel, both the b-52 bomber and the bunker busters is not amazon prime. it's not something that arrives in a couple of days. it's at least a six month process. and

so even though i think president trump, you know, began his administration thinking he just wants to bring peace, do diplomatic deals, you know, he may, like other past u.s. presidents, get sucked into the middle east. >> a really important conversation. we're grateful to you both. senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace, karim sadjadpour and contributing writer at the atlantic and contributing editor at the financial times, kim ghattas. again, our thanks. coming up here on morning joe, we'll break down president trump's seemingly conflicting orders on immigration as he looks to pressure many american cities, but yet has also begun carving out certain exceptions. morning out certain exceptions. morning joe will be right back. bent finger appointment in 30 minutes. you got this. one — remember, i don't want surgery for my dupuytren's contracture. two — i don't want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three — i want a treatment with minimal downtime.

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this dramatic late night arrest played out in this really rural, partially wooded area behind me with authorities saying that vance belcher, who they say was armed, actually surrendered peacefully at one point. they say crawling to law enforcement officers before he was taken into custody. all of that giving a huge sigh of relief, as you can imagine to these communities around here who are still processing unimaginable pain. the minnesota man one sheriff's office calls the face of evil this morning in custody, bringing the largest manhunt in state history to an end. >> after a two day manhunt. >> two sleepless. >> nights, law enforcement have apprehended vance boelter. >> the 57 year old husband and father now facing state and federal charges for the murders of state representative melissa hortman and her husband and attempted murders of state senator john hoffman and his wife. law enforcement saying the break came early sunday morning when someone spotted this cowboy

hat and black sedan, both connected to belcher about an hour southwest of the shootings. >> an alert police officer believed that he may have seen the individual running into the woods. >> authorities setting up a large scale perimeter, saying belcher, who was armed, surrendered. >> the suspect crawled to law enforcement teams. >> and. >> was placed under. >> arrest at that point in time. >> belcher is accused of dressing as law enforcement, even wearing this rubber mask and ambushing democratic lawmakers at their homes. early saturday morning, senator hoffman's neighbor heard the attack. >> i heard. >> pow pow pow pow pow. i seen a black, dark black car backing out of the hoffman's driveway. >> in that suv. authorities finding a list of prominent lawmakers who support abortion rights from multiple states, including wisconsin, illinois, michigan, iowa and nebraska. several lawmakers assigned heightened security, including u.s. senator amy klobuchar, who saw the hartmans the night before they died.

>> everyone was rejoicing, happy the sessions behind them. and that was the last time so many of us saw melissa and mark. >> president trump saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated. senator john hoffman's wife saying she and her husband were shot at least eight times, each saying in a statement from the hospital, john and i are both incredibly lucky to be alive, adding there is never a place for senseless political violence and loss of life. and authorities stressing help from the public, they say, was pivotal in making belcher's arrest. they say they got more than 400 tips in less than 48 hours. joe. >> all right. thank you so much. nbc news correspondent maggie vespa. greatly appreciate your report. let's bring in right now nbc news national affairs analyst and partner and chief political columnist at john heilemann. also with us, former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. she is an msnbc contributor and

has a guest essay for the new york times titled political violence came to minnesota. it didn't start there. and, barb, on that point, if we just look back over the past year, two attempts on president. trump's life and actually going back before that, paul pelosi, paul pelosi brutalized and almost killed in his home in san francisco. we obviously have what happened in minnesota, but a lot of other acts of political violence over the past year or so, where where did it start? where does it lead? >> yeah, joe, there's. >> data also that. >> shows a huge. >> rise in political violence that includes. >> threats and harassment. and even in addition to those. >> high profile. >> events at local levels, that a. real spike reported by judges, by council. members and others. i think it is a combination. if you look at. >> a joint terrorism. >> task force bulletin where they talk about an. >> intelligence assessment, they. >> say it comes. >> from things like political.

>> grievance, the rise in. >> disinformation. >> which is. >> destabilizing to people, our. >> social isolation, where. we're spending more time. >> working from. >> home, our lack of. engagement in. civic society. where we don't work with. >> people across differences. >> all of those things. contribute to this idea. >> that other. >> people are demonized. >> i think you throw fuel on the fire when you have political. leaders who talk about outrage, who refer to people. >> as animals, and even i. >> think the pardoning. >> of. >> 1500 rioters. >> on the january 6th capitol. >> attack, all of those. >> things, i. >> think, create a very volatile situation that will cause some unhinged people to decide to act out in violence. >> and. and you look also, of course, john heilemann at the political grievance and disinformation that's been going on since these assassinations. and we talked about it last hour. and i'm not not thrilled about bringing it back up,

because i've known mike lee for a long time. and some time ago, he was a reasoned, soft spoken, conservative's conservative. what he did after these murders just unspeakable. something that you would expect from a crank on the far right or the far left spreading disinformation and actually mocking the killings, using the governor's name as sort of a pun for a horror movie. how how did we get to this point? most importantly, how do our leaders get us out of this position? well, joe, you know, barb. >> is right. >> i mean, this is not. >> unfortunately, not new. >> the statistic. >> that. >> amy klobuchar cited earlier on the show, which i think is pretty striking, is that, you know, back in. >> 2016, which. >> is. you know, i'm not going to say that donald trump personally is responsible for all of this. but the trump era

in our politics, starting in 2015. >> 2016. >> that stat. >> that that. >> amy said on the show where you talked. about having 1700 threats against elected officials in 2016 and now you're up to 9000 a year, that is a is a marked and pretty definable uptick in a particular period in our politics where i think it's fair to say that the ideological polarization, the severity of the rhetoric and the us versus them framing of red and blue maga and non maga has driven a lot of, i would say, in tandem with the pervasiveness of social. media and social media as a platform for spreading misinformation, disinformation and conspiracy theories. that has been a toxic brew in this last decade. and, you know, the. mike lee. thing is striking for sure. the fact that mike lee now

i believe still on on x calls himself now instead of senator mike lee calls himself based. mike lee, which is a kind of term of art for someone who's who's fully in the camp of maga is indicative of something, but it's indicative this, this change flows from the top. and i said before, i don't blame donald trump personally for all of this, but donald trump is the one who made paul pelosi a punchline in his speeches for a period of time after the attack on on paul pelosi. this the tone has been set from from the from the president as, as a candidate and in the oval office in certain cases. and, and i think that, you know, the leadership on this has to come from both sides, leaders, the democratic party, leaders of the republican party. but ultimately, if the president of the united states is driving that kind of fueling the kind of us versus them rhetorical frame for our politics, it's going to be very hard, as i think jim vandehei said last hour, you know, to ever turn the turn the heat, to

turn the temperature down and get us back. >> in a place. >> where where political violence and threats of political violence aren't routine in our politics. it's got to come from the very top of our politics. if we're going to start to change it. right? really does. i mean, it is jonathan, the president of the united states with the bully pulpit, the president of the united states, again, who had two assassination attempts on his life during the campaign, so understands the danger of this rhetoric. and yes, there is heated rhetoric from both sides, some deplorable things on social media written at all times, both sides. but if you're president of the united states and you are routinely calling those who may disagree with you on, you know, in court rulings or in political speeches un-american or suggesting they don't love america as much as everybody else. if you use holiday greetings on social media as an attempt to paint your political

opponents and sort of just the worst, darkest terms, obviously that's going to create an environment and create an environment that's not just going to be dangerous to one. >> side, but. >> we'll turn up the heat on both sides and that's where we are. so i'm just curious. there was a time immediately after butler, pennsylvania, where the president was talking about toning things down, but that just hasn't happened, has it? >> no. >> not at all. >> you know, he the entire decade of his political career, he has talked about violence in our discourse in a way. even yesterday, when asked about minnesota while the suspect was still at large, he took a swipe at governor walz there. president trump has not toned down his rhetoric at all. barbara mcquade. there's another element of this, too. and you've written, of course, about the dangers of disinformation. it's not just senator mike lee with like, a childish taunt. and i'm being kind with what he said. but over the weekend, there were some really. >> influential right. >> wing maga accounts that full

out, flat. out lies. disinformation tried to spread the idea that this shooter was a liberal democrat seizing upon shreds of information. and again, i'm being generous to say they misinterpreted that information when it might have been. they just wanted to push their own political narrative. >> they were wrong. >> very much wrong. we know the suspect was not a liberal democrat. you know, authorities in his roommate has said he was a trump supporter, you know, and that's not blaming president trump, but it's just talking about how this can be twisted. and with some of these accounts who have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers could by doing that, the fear here is incite more violence. >> yes, this. >> really comes out of the russian disinformation playbook. you know, vladimir putin grew up in the kgb, and one of. >> the strategies is. >> to look for. >> fault. >> lines in society and exploit opportunities, exploit emergencies, because those are moments when you can push disinformation. >> to get. >> people divided and warring

with. >> each other. >> and so jumping on this. >> and saying, you know, this. >> was all the fault of. >> the right or this. >> was all the. >> fault of the left, only amplifies. >> those divisions. >> in society. robert mueller, in his investigation of russia's efforts to influence the 2016 election, said that the goal of that was to sow discord in american. >> society. >> to pose as people on both sides. >> of the issue. >> it might be the very same person posting. on the. this is all at the feet of the democrats and saying, on the other hand, this is all at the. feet of republicans. it might be the very same. >> person. >> but what they're trying to do is just fan the flames. to get people angry. and of course, that only creates more incentives for political violence. and so i think all of us have to take a breath and rise above this. our leaders need. >> to rise above this because. >> i think one of the real fallouts we could see from this is ordinary, good, smart, capable people saying it's not

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leftward drift. she has become the republican appointed justice, most likely to be in the majority in decisions that reach a liberal outcome, along with the chief justice, a frequent voting partner, justice barrett could be one of the few people in the country to check the actions of the president. new york times reporter jodi kantor joins us now. her new piece is titled how amy coney barrett is confounding the right and the left. and, jodi, thank you so much for being with us. this is absolutely fascinating piece, and she is one of the most fascinating figures in washington, d.c. and i just let let's talk about what this is and what this is not right. this is this is not. >> amy coney barrett going. >> the direction of, let's say, justice brennan or justice souter so much as it is amy coney barrett ruling more like john roberts at times when she's just refusing to follow the

hard, right direction, ideological, hard right direction of, say. alito and thomas and instead is a law professor saying, how do i play the law? >> one of the. most fascinating. >> things we were able to determine is that. >> even though. >> the data is. >> limited, we. >> can see that she is the. >> republican appointee on. >> the court. who has voted. >> the most against. president trump. >> so that's one of the real. >> signs of independence. >> we're seeing. and to be clear, this is a very. conservative justice. >> as you know, she voted to. >> overturn roe. >> v wade. she voted to. expand second amendment rights. she she she is. >> a. >> classic conservative. in many, many ways. >> and. >> yet an independent one. >> yeah. i mean, that's such an important point. no one should expect her to move on abortion or on guns or on on other key

issues on positions that she and other people in the federalist society have held for 20 or 30 years. but when you're talking about the use of presidential power, where you're talking about these areas where donald trump is pushing the boundaries of article two powers, she will be someone, as you've written, she will be somebody that will look at those questions hard and not just go along with what the president or what the most conservative base on, on the court wants her to go. >> one of the. most surprising. >> things i heard throughout the reporting of this. >> piece is that. >> she's kind of alone on the supreme court. you know, when president trump chose her. the right and the left sort of both acted. very sure of who she was. and that's turned out not to be true. if you look. >> at her on the court. >> she is. >> really one of the only. >> ones from outside of. >> washington, d.c. >> she never held. one of these big executive branch jobs that. >> shaped the others. >> being a law professor sounds

like a somewhat. >> traditional background for a supreme. >> court justice, but it is a different. >> way of. >> thinking about the law. she is the. >> youngest justice. >> she is. >> the. >> least experienced judge. she's the only mother of school. >> age of grade. >> school age children to serve on the court. and there's this quality of apartness that she has in her decisions. she will often sign on to the general direction of a conservative decision, but write a separate concurrence, telling her male colleagues, you're doing it wrong. >> one line that made. >> me laugh is that somebody from the court said to me. >> jody. >> she's the hermione granger of. >> the conservative supermajority. >> she's she's she's always telling the men they're doing it wrong. >> yeah. and two examples of that that really stood out for me at the end of the last term where i go, okay, wait a second. she's not going to just sort of blindly follow where some of her more conservative colleagues go.

one was when she sort of chastised clarence thomas at one point and said, hey, listen, you can't just pick something that happened in 1650 and say it applies to the law in america, you know, today. but another was in the much talked about immunity ruling where she agreed with justice sotomayor on one portion of it, which was a very important portion, where she said that you actually can look at official acts as evidence if a president is being. persecuted for unofficial acts and. >> said, you can't. >> blind juries. that was that was very significant. >> sort of. >> departure from the conservative majority. >> well, i think she thinks about the law in a. >> way that is. >> really in the like, in contrast to sort of conventional political views. like some people were very surprised. >> that. >> she kind of checked justice thomas's view of originalism.

she essentially said to him in several opinions, you're going too far. you're using history wrong. and that really surprised some people over the last year or two. but if you look back at her really old classroom lectures and the things she said when she was still in the relative privacy of the notre dame classroom, she would say, i'm an originalist and i'm a textualist. and part of the way we protect this kind of. thinking is that we acknowledge its flaws. we acknowledge its limitations. we acknowledge when it's going too far. so i garnered from that that she is a very deep believer in this way of thinking. but, but, but, but thinks that there's kind of like a protective function to. limiting it, which as you know, is totally opposite from a kind of political thinking. >> right. and, you know, jonathan lemire kind of reminds me of someone who she knows knew very well. and that is justice

scalia, who, of course, had no problem, no problem staring down the far right squealers if he was talking about a first amendment right to burn an american flag, or if he was talking about the right to due process, that people that were in america illegally had a right to do. time and again, you know, justice scalia did what he believed was most rooted to the law. and i believe he was the one that. >> jodi quoted. >> who said, if you're not uncomfortable with some of the rulings that you put out there, you're doing it wrong, because it just. >> means that you're you're. >> reading the law the way that it makes you feel good, instead of reading the law as it is. >> he also. >> said, i'm. >> an originalist. >> but i'm not a nut. >> yeah, no, that's right. and both justices. >> here. >> both justices willing. >> to show an independence, a political thinking. and this quote is great. but one person

who at times has expressed unhappiness with her independent thinking is president trump, who has made it clear that he believes that supreme court justices that he nominated should sort of be rubber stamps for what he believes is his agenda. so talk a little bit more about that backlash from trump and his maga supporters. >> so president trump has complained about her in private. he's complained in public about the other justices. he is he appointed as well. now, interestingly, we also say in the story that these concerns were brought to him when he when she was first under consideration and he waved them away, remember that they were trying to appoint somebody very fast. ruth bader justice ruth bader ginsburg was dying. there was a presidential election six weeks away. so they were trying to choose a nominee they thought would be really palatable. what is remarkable, and i know you've covered this on the show, is that the fury and wrath that maga has shown to just disparate

is, is remarkable. now she has she gets she gets pressure and threats and criticism and nastiness from both sides. you know, this is a hard time to be a supreme court justice. one thing people at the court talk about privately that they i think, talk about less publicly is that the job has degraded somewhat. right. the security concerns, the level of ferocity and pressure. and what we see this spring is that she, like many other federal judges, has been subject to an extraordinary assault. you know, it's interesting appearing right after the minnesota discussion on this show, because there's a relationship to those two things, right? we see that federal judges are being targeted in some of the same terrifying ways. we actually got the text from a police report of a bomb threat directed not at

justice barrett, but at her sister, at her, at her relatives. and that's the new tactic to fan out to judges relatives. >> it is deeply. >> dispiriting and terrifying. the rise in political, violent rhetoric and something we all. >> everyone should be stopping. >> new york times reporter jodi kantor, thank you so much. thank you. we really appreciate it. it is available to read online now. turning to a few other headlines now, president trump has ordered federal officials to expand efforts to detain and deport undocumented migrants in democrat run cities. in a social media post yesterday, trump called on ice agents to, quote, do all in their power to achieve the very important goal of delivering the single largest mass deportation program in history. white house deputy chief of staff stephen miller has also reportedly told ice agents to set a goal of at least 3000 arrests a day. that goal, however, may be hard to achieve as the trump administration has also now reportedly told ice officials to pause immigration

raids at farms, hotels and restaurants. that's according to new york times, which reviewed an internal email sent by senior ice officials saying agents should not arrest undocumented immigrants in those industries who have not committed any crimes. last week, president trump announced he'd be making a change after speaking to farmers and business leaders in the hotel industry, who said the white house's deportation efforts are, quote, taking very good longtime workers away from them. and john heilemann. i mean, this is a there's a incongruence, to say the least, to this, except it's politics. and president trump seemingly is favoring, you know, the rural farm workers, not all, but who perhaps predominantly live in redder states. trump friendly areas. while that post last night was interpreted by many as basically, you know, to over a declaration of war, if you will, political war if you will, at blue cities like we saw in los

angeles. seemingly they like what they saw there. they want more of it. and other cities across the country. >> yes, that's right jonathan. it's pretty straightforward. i think los angeles was a test run for an expanded, expanded ice raids and also potentially for expanded presence of troops of various kinds, whether that's the national guard or whether that's the us military, active duty military on the streets of america's cities. i think that the test, the test that was run last week on the most favorable political turf that donald trump could imagine, which is, you know, other than new york city and los angeles are the places where where donald trump would like to fight. we were talking in the previous segment about the us versus them rhetoric in this administration. they are the, the brightest examples of what them looks like to this administration is targets, enemies of the other. they go to los angeles, they go to other blue cities and sort of say, this is the place where the

politics favor us, where we can, where we see have seen now after a week that there's political blowback, but not so much that we can't tolerate it. i'm speaking here in the in the trump voice and also that the political benefits from their point of view are very high. and that distinction is the distinction between these two other the exceptions that they're making, which is the rural voters, even in blue states, are often places that voted in favor of donald trump. so trump hears from farmers and who are his favorite constituents. and in parts of the of those states, blue or red states that are very trumpy. and he hears from his friends in the hospitality industries, in restaurants and hotels, which is, of course, where trump made money and where he did business for many years. this is a classic way for trump to behave politically, calculating on one side, with exceptions made on a kind of case by case basis that make no kind of ideological or policy sense, but that make perfect sense through the prism of donald trump. i think we're

going to see a lot more los angeles in the weeks and months to come. you know, john, we talked about this, i think, over the weekend about how, you know, liberals and commentators may think this is a slam dunk for donald trump, may complain that he's playing, you know, right into his base, his hand. but talk about some concerns out of the white house that they understand there is a tipping point. i mean, you look at three polls, he the nbc poll that came out had him at 45% approval, 55% disapproval down. but of course, two major polls that came out earlier in the week, the ap poll, had him at only 39% approval. quinnipiac poll, 38% approval. and i've just always found that americans just in general, you know, don't like turning on their tv and seeing chaos in the. streets of america. and not so sure if that

if this continues and all these other cities that won't have a blowback effect with the trump white house. i'm curious what you're hearing from inside the white house with his. political advisers. are they wary of a prolonged. sort of siege. >> of these cities, these sort of. >> pro these sort of raids that we saw in los angeles? or do they. >> believe they. >> can. do this from now. >> until the president. >> leaves office? >> it's a two part answer. there is some wariness. >> they loved. >> the white house political advisers who i've talked to over the last ten days about all this. they love the initial scenes out of la, and they felt like even dispatching some of the national guard. that was a power move. they liked that imagery for the president. they also at the same time, though, recognized that things got out of hand if there was real violent clashes between protesters, again, most of them peaceful. but if there were violent clashes between protesters and members of the military, that would be bad for everyone. that would blow up those scenes of chaos and

violence would be bad for the administration as as well. so there is a wariness here. but but president trump himself wants to forge forward. he keeps wanting to push the line. he keeps wanting to test. and that's what that post was last night. i'm told that he does want to expand these efforts into other cities, the ice raids and if accompanying protests come, they think that will be a political winner. but man, that is a thin line to walk. and there are some in trump's orbit who are aware of that and are concerned. we'll see how it plays out in the weeks ahead. but this is absolutely a space to watch as the summer heats up. nbc news national affairs analyst john hoffman. john, thank you so much for being with us this morning. and still ahead here on morning joe, we'll continue to follow the deadly attacks from both israel and iran and what this could mean for the white house as it seeks a nuclear agreement with tehran. plus, democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois, who is an iraq war veteran, will join us as she's criticizing the president's military parade that

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murder and two counts of attempted murder after a multi-day manhunt. joining us now, democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. senator klobuchar, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we should also offer condolences. this is obviously a very hard moment for the state writ large, but especially for you. i know melissa hortman, one of the victims in the shooting, was someone you knew very well, you had seen recently. tell us a little bit about her, please. >> of course. just as we talk about political violence and people talk about statistics and motives, i hope one thing that comes out of this is people will understand what some fine public servants are about, and that is melissa hortman. this is a woman that went in. i got to know her. we were both moms with young kids running for office. she knew practically everyone in her district. she worked at her dad's used auto parts store. she juggled being a girl scout leader and a sunday school

teacher and trained dogs. she loved dogs, and she and her husband raised two great kids all that time. she moved up in the legislature and became what many are saying, including republicans in our state. one of the most consequential speakers of the house in minnesota history, ushering in major changes to law like school lunch and paid family leave. and just this last year. and i think joe would especially appreciated this. the legislature was tied and she and representative demuth, her republican counterpart through the year, negotiated a budget and were able to negotiate a budget for the state with the governor's support. that is melissa, and i cannot tell you what a decent person she was. so i do hope, as we call for bringing the temperature down, unless horrific rhetoric and posts that people remember her face and what she did, as well as my friend senator hoffman, who is

thankfully and somehow recovering with his wife yvette, despite multiple multiple gunshots. >> senator, you talked about. bringing the. >> temperature down. >> it feels like the temperature. >> is only rising, right? the threats against lawmakers. but at the federal. state and local. >> level. >> can you talk. >> a little bit. >> about that being a u.s. senator. how many are you seeing a massive surge in threats? are you taking precautions? are you guys getting. more security compared to, say, a couple of years ago? >> we have been and certainly in the last few days here in minnesota, a number of elected leaders have received more security. and i think senator thune and senator schumer for asking for that security on the senate side. but what when i was chair of the rules committee, i worked really hard to get more security for members homes and offices. and that is because of the facts. 2016 there were about 1700 threats against members of

congress. now, in the last year of 2024, there were over 9000 threats. you're seeing the same in the judiciary, with judges appointed by both republican and democratic presidents and governors. you're seeing the same thing with election judges. people are reading things online. this is just my view. this is a lot of it. look at the unbalanced sick man who bludgeoned speaker pelosi's husband. they read things online. they believe them. they start acting them out. they already are imbalanced themselves. and they actually go do what they're reading online. so that has been a contributor as well as, of course, a lot of hateful rhetoric. and there's a lot of politicians that should be looking in the mirror and bring their rhetoric down. >> well, one politician and i will say a man that i've known and in in the past have had a good relationship and liked him like a soft spoken man, but somebody that posted this weekend, republican senator mike

lee of utah, obviously facing strong criticism for social media posts about the minnesota shooting suspect. yesterday, lee posted a picture of th suspect at the door of one of the lawmakers with the caption, this is what happens when marxists don't get their way. it is a pinned tweet at the top of his page. 25 minutes later, the senator posted another picture of the suspected shooter with the caption nightmare on wall street, mocking. of course, the situation with the name of the minnesota governor. but those posts came hours before lee tweeted a happy father's day message. a conservative journalist, brad polumbo, responded to one of the posts, writing, quote, what the hell is mike lee doing? has he completely lost it? meanwhile, contributing editor for the atlantic, norm ornstein, wrote even for mike lee, this is beyond disgusting disinformation beneath contempt. we're we're

used to, senator. we're used to wackos on on the extremes, on both sides posting bizarre things on social media. what happens when it's mainstreamed by a senator? again, a guy that i've known and used to try to be a thoughtful, conservative voice for small government conservatism. when he starts posting things like this. and what what is the what's the united states senate's answer to that? i only ask that because i can tell you back in my days, i guess in the stone age it is now. i mean, the senator on either side would have been roundly condemned by members of his or her own party if they had done this. >> i have condemned what mike lee did here at home, and i will speak to him about this when i return. and what i'm going to tell him is, you know, this isn't funny. what happened here. this was an incredible woman, her husband, her two kids

yesterday on father's day, there was no father's day for them. they lost both their parents. i'll tell him about the law enforcement that did incredible work here. we had a 43 hour manhunt. the biggest manhunt in minnesota's history. hundreds and hundreds of officers, 20 swat teams going door to door to door, citizens on edge, hiding in their homes. and they finally were able to arrest this man who was armed, but there was not a shooting, and bring him into custody and did their jobs. and by the way, if the police had not, on their own, decided to go over to representative portman's home without a call because of what they noticed, of course, had happened the tragedy at senator hoffman's house, they thought, well, maybe we should check this out. well, they weren't able to prevent the deaths. they were able to identify the suspect because he ran out and his car was left there. otherwise more people would have been killed. so that's what i'm going to tell

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who. >> are. >> creating the technology, the people building the technology, the people quitting the companies after helping build the technology because they actually believe there's not an insignificant chance that this technology could grow smarter than humans and literally wipe out our species, which seems to me like a pretty big deal. and we talk in there like elon musk, who's building his own ai. there's this thing called p doom. it's the percentage chance that you think that i could wipe out humanity. musk p doom is 10 to 20%. dario amodei, who's anthropic who who we interviewed his is somewhere between 10. >> and 25%. >> lex fridman, the. >> popular podcaster. >> who had sundar pichai on in the last week, said his. >> numbers had 10%. >> i'm like, that's a big deal. >> i would. >> you get on an airplane. >> if you. >> thought there was a 20% chance it's going down, would you build an airplane if you thought there was a 20% chance that people on it could be killed? >> so, jim, so explain this. so

explain why they keep building it. because it's very interesting, as i've talked to ai leaders, people in the industry that are just the forefront of the ai revolution. any time you start asking about safeguards, guardrails to stop this technology that they don't even understand. that's a great point that you brought out. they feed these models all of this information. they don't even understand what's going on that's so important. they don't understand how this is happening. it's not it's not like oppenheimer who's explaining what happened with the atoms, you know, came to know these people don't understand what's going on. and there have been several times you report that they've actually caught the ai models trying to deceive the humans who actually were feeding the information in there. and every time you ask, well, why can't we have safeguards. >> like the. >> us government had after after

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performance, of course, in season three of the white lotus. and carrie joins us now. also with us for this discussion, special correspondent at vanity fair, molly jong-fast. carrie, thank you for being here. my pleasure. the gilded age, our current moment. i see no parallels whatsoever. >> me neither. just right out. >> of left field. >> yes. it's extraordinary. >> the. >> kind. >> of. >> economic. >> stratification we're experiencing now. >> and i. >> only wish. >> our billionaires. >> would seek to. >> create such a generous legacy. >> to whitewash all of the things. >> they. >> did that were horrible. but they. >> don't seem to be. >> interested in doing that. >> so. yeah. >> so that's. >> we can. >> certainly talk about the politics of the moment more. yeah. but tell us a little more about the show. you're coming back to, you know, tough shoot. >> lotus. >> yeah. and now and now this season three as well. but it's a show that people sort of love and like to lose themselves in. >> they do. i mean, it's. >> beautiful to look at. you could watch it with the. >> sound off. >> if you wanted. >> and the thing i love is that so many. >> people watch. >> it. >> with someone. >> so it's like, oh, i. >> watched that with. >> my grandma, my mom. >> my aunt.

>> and you. >> never know who's. >> going to be a gilded. >> age fan. i meet them all over the country. >> it seems to. >> cross all of. >> the lines. >> and i. >> like being part. >> of. >> art. that does that because. >> it's a real conversation starter. >> it's kind of a. >> safe space for everybody to get together and talk. >> julian fellowes. >> who created this, is sort of. >> known to. >> be such. a singular. >> talent. >> and he writes. >> so much about. >> class and wealth and. power struggles. >> talk to me about what it's like. i really just want to know what it's like to work with him. >> well, you know, it's funny. >> we don't. >> get. >> to. >> enjoy his company. very frequently. >> he's in the. >> uk writing. and sort. >> of giving. >> us notes. >> from far away. >> but we always know. >> he's. >> there, tuned in with us. he calls into the set and tells us. >> when we need. >> more flowers in. >> the foyer, or if we're shaking. >> hands wrong or we. shouldn't shake hands. >> and it's. >> just he is singular. >> and he's he creates. >> these very elevated. >> worlds where it's quite theatrical. >> and. >> you know. >> the storytelling is a bit breathless, but. >> it's extraordinary. we love doing it. and it's. >> all and it's employing all these. >> marvelous theater people. >> in new york. >> so it's real like. >> theater bingo. >> so let's take a look at a clip from the gilded age where your character character, bertha russell, is having a serious

talk with her husband george about their daughter's engagement. >> i'm trying. >> to protect her future. >> won't you. help me. >> bertha? you cannot expect her to marry a man she doesn't like. >> she doesn't know him. >> if she gives him. >> a chance, she'll like. >> him. >> well enough. >> i just want to know. >> when i get a say in our daughter's life. >> the day. >> i'm in your. >> boardroom giving. >> you. >> my ideas. >> on the railroads and. the steel mills. until that. >> day, i. >> won't question your business if you. >> don't question mine. >> you get to play such a. >> powerful woman. >> in this. in this character. >> i wonder if you could talk. >> to us. about what? >> that you know how that's reflected. you have kids. >> we're in this in. >> this very complicated. moment in. american life. >> talk to me about playing a force. >> like this. >> well. >> it's interesting, right? because she is a force, but. >> only in. >> her purview. >> she is only allowed. >> to. >> explore her talents. >> in.

>> the. >> context of her family. >> life and. >> in building her daughters. you know, the. >> legacy that. >> she's giving her children. >> which is. >> running in parallel tracks to her. >> husband's business. but she isn't. >> allowed in. >> the boardroom. she can't be a senator. she doesn't. >> even have the vote. and so. >> i think it's. >> interesting to have all this intellectual power and energy, and. >> she. >> can only marshal. >> it in. >> one way. and so people criticize bertha for being single minded, but in fact, she has no other place to put. >> her energy. >> so, i mean, obviously we've just sung the praises of julian fellowes. its remarkable cast. talk a little bit more about who you're working with, but it does seem like it's the themes of this show that really resonated with you to do. >> absolutely. >> i mean. >> i have a daughter, you know, i understand, bertha, as someone who is acting out of love because she understands that the world is not set up for the daughter she has, and the only way her daughter will have power and. >> influence and. >> yes, fulfillment and purpose is through marriage. and so, of course, bertha is singularly focused. >> on getting her. >> daughter married in in a in a with status that bertha herself wishes she had. >> she knows that puppy love. >> isn't going to sustain a. 30 year marriage, and that her her

daughter is going to need. something more to give her life meaning. and that's. all she's. >> looking for. >> and if george could just get on board. >> everything would be. >> this character is so different than your white lotus character. you just did such a different character. and white lotus is really like a boot camp. you go, you live there. >> talk to. >> me about how different these two experiences were. >> well. >> i can't imagine two more diametrically. >> opposed experiences, really. >> i was 22 hours away from my family. it was 120 degrees. i didn't usually go outside from 9 to 5 because the uv index is so high, and i had to come back and be on set 48 hours after i wrapped on white lotus. and, you know, it's just it's similar in that there's a real sense of company. they both have large ensembles. i mean, we were really living together in thailand. so we were, you know, those girlfriends and i, we that was a new friendship and we're playing an old friendship. so that was kind of an interesting exercise. by the time we got to that final monologue, it was we were like all of our lived experience was behind it. you know, it was very easy to speak into their listening because it felt so real for us, because we'd forged this friendship in

these very extreme conditions. and then on the gilded age, you know, i don't run into the women as often. i don't get to see baranski and cynthia and audra. they're they're kind of operating in another world. so we love those days when we all get to come together and do a big group scene. and we just we laugh. and it really is like dorky theater camp. and they have the best stories. and i have really come to embrace having these women in my life that i can call for advice about balancing having a, you know, a career and a family. and i would i would not hesitate to pick up the phone and call any of them. and in fact, i do multiples and then i weigh all the advice and then i make a decision. >> emmy and tony nominated actress carrie. having a moment. carrie, thank you for being with us today. season three of the gilded age premieres sunday on hbo and streams on hbo max. and you can stream season three of the white lotus right now, also on hbo max. >> forever. >> thank you again. >> forever. >> still ahead, we're going to switch back to news and bring you live coverage of the g7 summit getting underway in canada. plus, we'll recap the military parade in washington, dc over the weekend that just so happened to coincide with

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representative melissa hortman and her husband and injuring another lawmaker and his wife. we'll have a live report from minnesota coming up in just a few moments. welcome now to the fourth hour of morning joe. just before 6 a.m, out on the west coast, 9:00 here in the east. and we're beginning this hour, a jam packed hour with the latest out of the middle east. as israel and iran continue to trade direct strikes. video out of israel this morning shows the moment that an iranian missile slammed into a residential building, killing four civilians in the central city of petah tikva. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel brings us more. >> israel's air defenses are state of the art. >> but not perfect. >> iranian missiles are increasingly getting. >> through. >> the israeli. >> coastal city of. >> haifa took a direct. >> hit, setting a refinery ablaze. >> an apartment.

>> complex near. >> tel. >> aviv was. >> also struck. parts of petah-tikva. >> a small city near tel aviv. >> were badly damaged. >> israel is also. >> expanding its assaults beyond iran's. >> nuclear sites. >> military leaders. >> and scientists. targeting the iranian government and infrastructure. across the country. medical officials. >> say more than. >> 220 people. have been. >> killed in iran. >> including many civilians. some iranians are starting. >> to flee tehran expecting a drawn out war. president trump, whose. >> administration was in the advanced stages. >> of. >> negotiations with iran when. >> israel attacked, did not. >> appear to. >> be. >> frustrated by netanyahu's. >> preemptive war. >> sometimes they. >> have to fight. >> it out, but we're going. >> to see what happens. >> i think there's. >> a good chance there'll be. >> a. deal. and there. >> are. >> growing suggestions. >> president trump. >> knew more about. >> israel's plans. >> than washington. >> is letting on. >> nbc news confirming. >> president trump stopped netanyahu. from assassinating iran's supreme leader.

>> according to. >> a u.s. official. also coming. >> to light. >> the extent. >> of israel's. planning that. >> it had intelligence. >> agents from. >> the mossad planted in iran. >> before the initial attacks, setting up drones. >> to take out. >> missiles and. >> car bombs. >> to. >> target iranian officials. >> but it goes both ways. >> israel's domestic. >> intelligence service. >> released video of its agents arresting. two israeli. >> jews. >> allegedly for spying for iran. speaking to fox news, netanyahu, who called on iranians to. rise up while israel. >> attacks. >> said regime change is a possibility. >> and brushed. >> off calls for an. >> immediate cease fire. >> the issue here is not de-escalation. the issue here is not cease fire. the issue here is stopping those things that will threaten our survival. >> and richard engel joins us from that central israeli city. now. richard, good to see you. what's the latest there? >> so we are in petah tikva, which is a commuter city just.

>> on the outskirts. >> of tel aviv. and this was the area that took that direct hit. actually. >> you can see. >> where the iranian missile impacted and. what upset so many israelis, not just. >> the attack, which. obviously was traumatic. and several. >> people were killed here. >> many more injured. >> but was the fact that a the. israeli air defenses. >> weren't able to. >> stop this incoming missile, because we all talk about the iron dome and other air defenses and how well they work. but in this case, the ballistic missile didn't just get through. >> the net, it. >> hit a. >> so-called israeli safe room. now, every israeli. >> home, every israeli apartment, particularly the new ones. are built with. >> reinforced safe rooms. the idea that. >> if there. >> was an incoming rocket. people could go to that. >> space which has extra thick. >> walls. >> reinforced windows. >> even an. >> air filtration system. these systems started being put. >> in going back to the original gulf. >> war, when there was a big concern here. >> that saddam hussein.

>> would attack israel with chemical weapons. but the iranians are firing big ballistic missiles. and that spot, that corner of the building that's totally wiped out. that was a safe room. that was one of these reinforced areas. and there were people inside of it, elderly people in this case who. >> were. >> told to go the missile blast happened around 4:00 in the morning. so most people were sleeping. those who could went to. their their safe rooms. in this case, they went to that room there and it didn't save them. and many israelis in this area have been speaking to say that the fact that their safe rooms are no longer safe. because of the size of the weapons that the iranians are using right now, makes them feel very nervous. and it changes the dynamic. it changes. how people how israelis. >> feel about. >> the security of their home front. and, richard, as. >> you've been there on the ground in israel, talk. to us about what is the appetite from citizens there for this war. we know the conflict in gaza over

time became a very divisive moment, with lots of protests in the streets. what is the sense there are people there want this? >> to? it's a. >> difficult question. >> to answer, and it's also difficult to answer when it comes to gaza, because most people in israel feel that they don't like being a pariah, but the majority do support the war in gaza and support eliminating hamas and support getting the hostages out by any means necessary. and many israelis feel that they're being unjustly blamed for what is happening in gaza, and that the blame should be cast on hamas. so in general, i would say this country is pro for the for the war in gaza. and the people we've been speaking to here, several say the war in israel, the war. israel's war against iran. >> is also necessary. >> prime minister netanyahu has described it not as a war of choice, but as a war of necessity, saying that if this

country didn't attack iran, didn't attack iran's nuclear facilities, that iran would very quickly have a bomb, a nuclear bomb, and that israel's future security would be at risk, that it was an existential threat. but not everyone believes that narrative. not everyone thinks that the government is being forthcoming. some people. don't trust prime minister netanyahu. they don't trust his intentions. they don't believe what he says. prime minister netanyahu is facing corruption trials. there are people here who believe that his war in gaza is only going on. this long and is going on as long as it as it has been, because netanyahu doesn't want to stop, because he could end up in jail. and many in that crowd also believe that he's launching this war in iran, manipulating his intelligence for his own political motivations. so there are mixed feelings here. but so far we have not seen an anti-war sentiment. we have not seen people coming out into the

streets and saying, stop bombing iran. the war is unjustified, the same way we really haven't seen people in israel coming out in the streets to stop the war in gaza. mostly they're out in the streets to say, we want the end of netanyahu. nbc news chief. >> foreign correspondent. richard engel live in israel. richard, thank you for the reporting. stay safe. joining us now, retired four star army general barry mccaffrey. he's an nbc news and msnbc military analyst and retired cia officer mark polymeropoulos. mark spent his career in the middle east as an operations officer. he is also an nbc news security and intelligence analyst. our thanks to you both for being here this morning. general, i'll start with you. you know, we did see there some some of these iranian rockets have slipped through israel's defenses, but that pales in comparison to the onslaught that israel has been able to put forth on iran. and announcing this morning they have achieved air superiority in that nation. how have you seen these first few days of conflict play out? what are some some of

your biggest takeaways? >> well. >> look. >> the central. >> issue, almost the only issue is the israeli intelligence service. concluded correctly. >> in. my view. >> that the iranians. were within breakout distance of putting. together as many as 15 nuclear devices. israel is a nuclear power, perhaps 90 some odd plutonium devices. the capability to put together another 200. there is a widespread feeling among the israeli intelligence and security officials. >> they cannot. >> tolerate a situation where their very existence is at stake. >> so day four of the war, there's a lot of talk about. >> the tactics of it, but at the end of the day. >> what netanyahu. >> and his security force are trying. >> to. >> achieve is delaying, not knocking out and destroying completely iran's. nuclear capability. >> they're going to do it. >> they're not going to back off

this issue. and i think. >> in the longer. >> run, let's say 90 days or longer, it may well incentivize the iranians to sit down and diplomatically and, and their nuclear quest. >> and that's the approach that president trump hopes they take. he wasn't in favor of these attacks to begin with, but now they have begun his hope, he has said, and people close to him have told me that they hope that that will pressure the iranians to get back to the negotiating table. mark, let's turn to you. you, of course, spent a large portion of your career in the middle east. you worked with the israelis and other arab states. they're often against iran. tell us how you're seeing this moment when it at least appears to, from our vantage point, that this is the weakest iran has been in a long time. hezbollah and hamas both badly damaged, and it seems like they have not been able to deter much of what israel is trying to do. >> well, jonathan, you know, this. >> is. >> reminiscent of. >> recent events in. >> lebanon. >> where israel. >> decimated hezbollah, taking

out their. >> top leadership, really undertaking. >> innovative, complex operations. remember the. >> pager operation in. >> which. they took out thousands. >> of. >> hezbollah operatives? so in. >> this case. >> you know, the same type. >> of resilience. >> ingenuity, creativity in which let's let's just be frank. >> they they. >> decapitated the iranian military. >> leadership. >> the intelligence. >> leadership. >> and killed nine of their top leading. nuclear scientists. this is something. that i think. >> many. >> of us. >> in the. >> intelligence world, you. >> know, saw. >> and were. >> were stunned. by this, this idea of find, fix and finish kinetic operations in which you target individuals. that takes a lot of time and effort. it signals intelligence, it's. >> intercepts. >> it's human intelligence agents on the ground. and then finally. we see mossad paramilitary forces actually in iran with this, some type of drone apparatus going after targets. and so the israelis now have total. >> intelligence superiority and is of course. >> the general. >> would. >> would certainly, i.

>> think, understand they also have air superiority. >> in. which the israeli air. >> force is flying. >> daytime missions. >> over tehran. >> just repeat that daytime. >> missions over tehran. >> and so from a military perspective, from an intelligence perspective, i think it's. >> going very well. >> the one remaining piece, of course, is can they do enough to the iranian. nuclear program? and then we go. >> to the fordow reactor. >> that's the iranian. >> enrichment reactor. >> and which is buried underground, in. >> which the. >> israelis say. >> they need. >> u.s. help in the. >> form of b-2s. >> and some special ordnance. >> that the u.s. has. and i think that's the big decision. >> for the trump administration. will they allow the. >> israelis to finish the job? >> well, let's let's stay right there, mark, that, you know, to this point, as just noted, president trump, not in favor of it, has sort of come around, but he is still in a truth social post last night urging the two sides to return to the negotiating table. it does seem that if israel was to take that final step to get to that reactor, they would need the us's help. us right now is helping them shoot down some of the iranian armaments. but do you think, from what you've seen of president trump's approach to this conflict in foreign policy

writ large, do you think he'll eventually give that? go ahead? >> well, we don't know. i mean, you know, as. >> we as. >> we. >> kind of examine the trump. foreign policy versus via truth social posts. >> or kind. >> of these very small statements in an impromptu press conference, you. >> know. >> it seems to. >> to change day by day. but ultimately, you know, you have to wonder, does president. trump want to go forward with some kind of deal in which the iranians keep some type of residual nuclear capability, or is he going to want. to be seen as the president who goes forward and accomplishes what four straight administrations have always said was a key foreign policy goal, which is the elimination of the iranian nuclear program? you know, make no mistake, this has been something that the us military and intelligence apparatus has been singularly focused on. and, jonathan, i must say that in the last presidential campaign, if you remember, there was a question to kamala harris, what will keep you up at night at president? she actually said, which surprised a lot of people, not me, but surprised many, she said, iran and the nuclear program. so this is a bipartisan

issue. iran is a country that has killed americans. certainly is. the general knows in terms of how the iranian supported proxies. >> over the years they. >> tried to kill our president. this is an enemy of the united states. and i think we have an incredible opportunity to finish off the program. the question is, you know, can it be done? will it be done? >> and, general. >> we'll go back to you here. what do you think of that opportunity? is this a moment for the us to give its blessing to go after iran? because this also feels like it's a potential sea change for the entire middle east. >> well, i think mark made the case. iran is in. >> a. >> tremendously weakened situation. >> i mean. >> it's not just knocking out their proxies hezbollah, hamas, the houthis. the syrian regime brought down. but internally, half. >> that country. >> despises the regime, the women. >> so it's. >> widely feared the economy is fragile. the israelis are also. going after commercial targets,

oil and gas facilities. >> and the. >> russians, their their mentors aren't in. >> a position. >> to intervene. nor is turkey going to intervene in their behalf. >> but i think. >> the central. >> issue at. >> stake here is iranian nuclear weapons. the israelis are not going to tolerate a declared nuclear state where their very existence is at stake. >> an important conversation. retired four star army general barry mccaffrey and retired cia officer marc polymeropoulos. thank you both. so world leaders are gathering in canada today for the g7 summit, which is happening against the backdrop of the escalating conflict in the middle east as well as president trump's trade war. trump is set to meet with canadian prime minister mark carney later this morning. he's also expected to hold bilateral meetings with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, as well as mexican president claudia sheinbaum. at some point

this week, let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, live from calgary. he is traveling with the president. good morning gabe. you know, this is a full agenda to be to be clear, for these world leaders, some by their choosing, some not. the trade war, the conflict in the middle east, the ongoing situation in ukraine. oh, and by the way, president trump now in canada, which he wants to be the 51st state. >> yeah, there's a lot to unpack here. right, jonathan, you know. as well as anyone that sometimes the topics pile up in these types of meetings. and actually this is the first. world leader meeting such as this that president trump is going. >> to in. >> six years. you remember back in 2018, the last time he was in canada. for a g7 summit that produced. that memorable photo between. the world leaders at the time, angela merkel, kind of standing over president trump with his arms crossed. and he basically stormed out of that summit. well, now there's so much going on here. and of

course, largely being overshadowed today by the escalating conflict between israel and iran. u.s. officials telling. >> nbc news. >> that over the weekend. >> we learned that. >> president trump had rejected a plan by israel. to assassinate iran's supreme leader. and we also have new reporting showing that he was initially skeptical of the idea of israel talking, attacking iran in the first place. but due to a pivotal meeting with the chairman of the joint chiefs, he came around to the. idea reluctantly. now that will all be discussed here at the g7. european leaders expect the pressure of the united states to try and de-escalate the situation, even as president trump repeatedly. talks about how iran cannot. >> reach. >> cannot have a nuclear weapon. >> now, switching. >> to another topic that should mention the war in ukraine, many european leaders are also expected to argue that they can't be expected. to contribute more money to defense spending when they're also dealing with

this ongoing trade war. that will be another huge topic here. especially as the president touts trade. >> deals that are. >> supposedly on the way. we keep waiting for those. so far, we. >> only have. frameworks of deal deals. >> with great britain and china, but really nothing concrete. and the president yesterday, as he was arriving in canada saying that he expected more announcement this week. that has yet to be seen. >> but as. >> you said jonathan, later on today, in just a few hours, that meeting with prime minister mark carney just several. weeks ago, i asked the president in the oval office, what about, you know, this talk of canada becoming the 51st state? is it was he actually serious? and while there were some pleasantries exchanged, the president said, never say never. and mark carney tried to gently push back on. that should be interesting to see the dynamic between those two leaders as they appear publicly in just a few hours. jonathan. >> the summit itself actually being held about an hour north of calgary, perhaps away from you would think would be pretty significant canadian protests

against president trump, nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez. gabe, thank you so much. turning back now to the suspect in the shootings of two minnesota minnesota state lawmakers over the weekend. we've now learned that he will appear in court for the first time later today. 57 year old vance belcher faces charges of murder and attempted murder. officials have said the shooting was politically motivated. let's bring in nbc news correspondent maggie vespa live from green island. green isle, minnesota, where the suspect was arrested. maggie, good to see you again. give us the latest there and what we know of what precisely those political motivations for this man were. >> sure. so as far as the political motivations are concerned, we haven't no one has said this was his specific motive. but what we do know, and this was publicized a little bit over the weekend. we got more info last night was that authorities say when they found 57 year old vance belcher's suv, the one that was disguised to look like a police vehicle

outside representative melissa portman's home. they say they found inside it a list of other names, a long list of names of other lawmakers and they say activists. and the common thread they all seem to have was that they were pro-choice or abortion rights activists. they also said they were lawmakers from a long list of states. and they said just some of the states. at the press conference last night included illinois, iowa, wisconsin, michigan and nebraska. so that really helped them kind of get the scope of how broad this search could get if it was allowed to go on much longer. the photo that you're looking at right now was posted by a local sheriff's office. that is vance belcher in handcuffs last night, moments after being taken into custody, the local sheriff's office posting the face of evil when they put that photo on facebook where i am right now in green isle. actually, this this specific field behind me is where authorities and a witness has now told us he was arrested last night. you can see this tall grass behind me. we just

spoke to a woman who was visiting a friend in that house back there, that little white house, saying that as she was driving along the driveway here, over to my left, she saw someone, jonathan in all black, first walking by themselves and then ducking down into the grass and not moving. and this woman said, she told us that she thought to herself at first, oh, that must be law enforcement searching the property. and then she realized, number one, there are no cars around. number two, he's by himself. wouldn't they be searching in large groups? and she said, that's when it really hit. oh my god, this could be him. and she told us she sped in her little pickup truck to the nearest roadblock and told police. he's down there, he's in the grass. you've got to go get him, she said. at that point, roughly 20 law enforcement cars sped this direction. police told us last night after they got a crucial tip. we can assume it was this one. they set up a large scale perimeter around the suspect, and they were able to eventually get him. and they said at one point crawl to them as he peacefully surrendered. now that detail makes sense. seeing that

he would have had to come through this grass. so that's the story of last night. jonathan, a final note you point out he is due in court later today. vance belcher on charges of murder and attempted murder. that hearing is scheduled for 230 eastern. we will, of course, keep everyone posted on the latest there, but for now, i'll send it back to you. >> look. great work. great. >> great work by. >> that. >> bystander, of course, nbc's maggie vespa. maggie, thank you as well. and molly, let's talk about this this weekend. i mean, we spent some time earlier in the show noting just this extraordinarily aggressive disinformation campaign by many on the right to sort of assign incorrect motivations to this suspect, but but bigger picture. even beyond that, it just feels like and this is about as dispiriting as a statement as i can make, that the political violence is now part of the american culture. >> and, you know, historically. >> political violence has been. >> part of the american culture. >> and i think. >> back, it feels like we're sort of back. >> in a 1960s protests. >> and also a lot of violence.

>> it's really scary. >> i thought. what governor. tim walz. >> said was really. helpful and important where. >> he said. >> you. >> know. >> this is not okay. this has to stop now. we just need our electeds as especially on both sides, but especially those on the right, to say this is not okay. >> we need. >> the opposite of what. >> mike lee. >> did on twitter. we just. need take down the temperature. this is these are. >> political fights. >> not physical fights. >> it's really. >> important that we, you know, this is a legislative issue and not a physical issue. and i think we just need a lot of calm. and i think if our leaders. >> do that. >> both on the left and the right, we're going to see. >> a real. tamp down of it. >> we can hope so. coming up here on morning joe, senator tammy duckworth of illinois will join the conversation. we'll get the iraq war veterans thoughts on the situation in the middle east, as well as president trump's military parade, military parade back here at

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administration. >> i didn't expect to be. >> fighting fascism. >> in my 50s. >> the protests. >> were in part. >> a. response to the. administration's decision to host a grand military parade in washington in honor of the army's 250th. >> birthday. >> which just. >> happened to coincide. >> with. >> president trump's birthday. >> trump telling. the crowd the day. >> was about america's. >> fighting force. >> every other country celebrates their victories. it's about time america did, too. >> the parade crowds. >> were moderate. >> amid intermittent rain and intense security. >> all around. >> the route, with those there calling the event a success. >> it's a patriotic. >> it's amazing. >> but that celebration was juxtaposed by a mass. mobilization in. >> other. parts of. the country. >> we just feel like that our democracy is. >> in danger. >> protesters in. thousands of demonstrations nationwide accusing president trump of attempting to. >> amass too much power. >> and targeting innocent people, and the administration's sweeping mass deportation

program. >> well, we haven't had a king since 1776. we want to keep it that way. >> though largely. >> peaceful. >> police say one person died when. gunfire erupted at a protest in. salt lake. >> city. >> while in some others, demonstrators clashed with law enforcement. >> more than 30. >> were arrested in denver and in los angeles. >> after days. >> of tension and conflict. >> police accusing. >> protesters of. >> throwing rocks, bottles and fireworks at officers. the city's. downtown area remains. >> under an 8 p.m. curfew as police. >> attempt to keep the peace. >> nbc's ryan nobles with that report. joining us now, democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois. she's a member of the senate armed services and foreign relations committees and is also an iraq war veteran and recipient of the purple heart. senator, thank you so much for being here this morning. the vast, vast majority of these protests were very peaceful and the crowds were huge. white house officials tell me that they the crowd at the military parade, not what they had hoped, certainly smaller

than than expected. what are your thoughts as a veteran about that spectacle we saw this weekend about the military, the army being honored for its 250 250th birthday, but also falling on president trump's birthday. >> this was not about the army's 250th birthday. >> you wanted to celebrate. >> the army's 250th birthday and spend $60 million. you could have spent it on tuition. for our troops, funding for military families. you could feed all the homeless veterans in this country. so if you truly wanted to celebrate the army's 250th. >> birthday. >> then spend the money the correct way, not with a parade for a tinpot dictator wannabe, which is what donald trump is. i felt that it was obscene to have done that at a time when we're trying to cut funding for va, when we're. when we're firing people from their jobs in federal government. and frankly, we're the greatest military in the face of the earth. we don't need a parade to prove it. >> and others pointed out the juxtaposition of the parade with ongoing conflicts around the globe. and let's turn to the middle east. you, of course, served in iraq. what is your assessment of what you've seen

so far in this, the israel's attack on iran. iran has hit back a little bit. we've seen some of their their rockets landed. do you do you support what you're seeing here from prime minister netanyahu in this attack? >> well, let's start off by the fact that israel had i support israel's right to defend herself. israel is in a very, very scary neighborhood, and israel is our only true ally in the middle east. that said, we got here because donald trump pulled us out of the iran nuclear deal, allowed iran to continue to. work towards refining more uranium, grow their their nuclear program. so it's not surprising that israel would hit back. that said, we need to urge both sides to work towards peace. we do not need the middle east to flare up into another full blown conflict. i think that iran probably underestimated what was going to happen. it seems that israel has decapitated much of their leadership, especially when it comes to the nuclear development program. but, you know, donald trump is supposed to be a deal

maker, right? and yet he couldn't bring both sides to the table and prevent this from happening. >> yeah, he's still pushing for those talks. what to get your your opinion on what we talked about last segment with former general mccaffrey, ex-cia analyst, about the idea that the probably the u.s. would have to assist with a b-52 and these bunker busting bombs if they if israel was to really go after the deepest iranian nuclear facility, do you think would you be in favor of that move? >> i have to see what the conditions are. i don't usually commit to a vote beforehand. i would like to see what it is. i have always supported packages to help israel, especially those defensive packages. i worry about getting the united states embroiled in yet another middle east conflict that can last ten, 20 years. look at what happened in iraq and afghanistan. but i stand by our ally israel because they are the true allies that we have. we they provide us with intelligence. they have been there for the united states. i happen to think netanyahu is a war criminal. i don't trust him. and this is where if we had somebody who was competent in the white house, somebody who's

competent in the department of defense, somebody who's competent at actually negotiating deals, we could probably i would have more confidence. but right now, you know, i don't have a lot of trust in the white house and its ability to actually bring this to a resolution. >> let's quickly hit a couple of matters here at home over the weekend. last night, president trump on truth social doubled down on ice raids we saw in los angeles. he says he wants to expand that to a variety of blue cities. name checking one in your home state, chicago. >> yeah. >> well, because he's using these for his political expediency, right. he's doing this. he's ginning up the unrest. he is separating american born children from their families. he you know, i'm all for deporting violent criminals. let's let's deport the felons. let's report the violent crime, deport the violent criminals. but that's not what he's doing. he's actually doing political theater in order to come up with a pretext in which he can send in the national guard so he can send in the united states marines. you know, we just had to evacuate our embassy in iraq. that's where the marines should be protecting americans abroad. they shouldn't be on the streets of our country turning their

weapons on fellow americans. it is completely un-american. but this is all donald trump's doing. >> and, senator, in our final 30s here, we obviously this terrible incident in minnesota, two state lawmakers shot, one killed. just your your concerns about the rise in political violence that we're seeing across the country. >> it's not acceptable. the rise in political violence is not acceptable. when i was elected, some people voted for me. some people did not vote for me. but i represent everybody in the state of illinois. we should be working to bring down the level of rhetoric, the level of targeting of one another. and that starts with every one of us that's elected. but it also starts at the white house. the president can't go out there and make the statements he is. some of my colleagues are making some pretty questionable statements on social media that has no place in, in american politics or anywhere in america. >> senator, democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois. senator, thank you so much for being with us this morning. coming up here next, we'll take a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning, including some surprising new hobbies for people in their 20s. we'll

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movie to score at the box office. so far this year, pg films have generated more than $1.5 billion. kids are going to the movies. and speaking of young people, the pastimes traditionally associated with grandmas are now finding a home among the young. wall street journal the wall street journal looks into the surge in knitting, scrapbooking, and crafting among people in their 20s. it pushed disconnect and digitally detox among younger generations is being cited as a primary reason behind the rise in such hobbies. and molly, we won't disclose our ages here. yes. >> but as. >> young. >> people ourselves. >> yes, as young people ourselves. >> it is. >> i think, sort of refreshing and great that these hobbies are seeing a resurgence. >> yeah. >> and it's very soothing. i mean, we're talking offline. you know, i used to needlepoint. your wife knits like there is a real it's soothing. and, you know, online is a.

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carroll accused trump of attacking her around 1996, in a bergdorf goodman department store dressing room here in manhattan and defaming her. then, in october 22nd on a truth social post by denying her claim as a hoax. in his denial, trump said the former elle columnist was, quote, not my type, and that she made up the rape claim to promote her memoir. jurors decided in may of 2023 that trump had sexually assaulted carroll and defamed her by lying. they did not find that trump raped carroll, as she had claimed. a spokesperson for trump's lawyers said in a statement that americans, quote, demand an immediate end to the political weaponization of our justice system and a swift dismissal of all of the witch hunts, including the democrat funded carroll hoax, which will continue to be appealed. and e jean carroll joins us now. her new book with the title not my type one woman versus a

president, goes on sale tomorrow. thank you for being here. and it is. it is normal for and highly anticipated book to receive plenty of advance notice with lots of anticipation and hype. this was announced just two days ago and now coming out tomorrow. talk to us about the secrecy around this book. >> well. >> the behind the scenes goings. >> on at. >> those two trials were so. funny and. so hilarious. >> i had found myself in the. middle of a high comedy, surrounded by characters that not even. >> john grisham. >> could. >> have created. >> it was. >> just too juicy. >> we did not want the white house to. hear about it. and so they. the people. >> at saint martin's. >> locked, locked. >> copies of this book. >> in their offices. i didn't

have a copy of the book until. >> two days ago. >> so first time i ever laid hands. >> it was a top secret job. >> i think we. >> got away with it. >> and the only thing that's. beating us now is molly's book is. now on. >> the bestseller list. >> congratulations, molly. i mean. really bestseller. >> new york. >> times bestseller. >> on the. >> combined congrats, somalia, of course. and we certainly would anticipate yours to do well also. so talk to us about, i mean, a legal proceeding involving someone who was and now is again, the president. united states, i think, would strike many as a serious matter. but you just said that it was you found things about it that were very funny. give us a taste as to what you mean. like, what are some of the moments captured in this book? >> okay. >> the characters alone, we have judge kaplan, a steel rod of a man. looks like. >> god on the sistine. >> chapel ceiling, right? >> conservative, no nonsense. and yet gets off one liners like

stephen colbert. we have joe tacopina built like popeye. >> got a voice like a. >> shotgun in. >> a gravel pit. >> you know, just. dresses in $6,000 suits. we have. alina habba, esquire, trump's most beautiful attorney. cheekbones like tulip bulbs. right? >> eyes like a baby seal. gorgeous, smart. >> you know. deliciously arrogant and yet didn't know. diddly squat about. >> the law. >> and then we have my attorney, robert kaplan, who was born with. >> a lust. >> for battle. >> you put all these. >> characters together. >> you have high. >> jinks, you have humor, you. >> have dead serious. >> dead serious days. we saw in that courtroom where, by the way, trump was found liable for sexual abuse in the first trial. so dead serious.

>> but on. >> the whole, uplifting because we can see what really goes on in a courtroom. >> so, as you know, you're not a popular person in trump's circles in the white house and his campaign have attacked you throughout. >> a moment of pride. >> for me. >> thank you very. >> much, including the idea that you were simply trying to make money. and there's been some speculation over the weekend from them that that's the same deal with this book, that this is another attempt at a cash grab. >> what's your. >> response to that? >> i'm an old journalist. >> there was. >> no way. no way i could help. >> myself but to take note of what actually was. going on. would you like to hear. >> what it's like sitting right in front of donald trump? >> we were so. >> close in the courtroom. if i lean back and reach my hand, i could have grabbed him by the hair so i could hear everything he was saying. i could hear the snorts and the whines and the and the bawling and the spitting

and the hissing and his arms going like this on the desk. and i was i thought to myself, oh my god, what if the jury is hearing this? and i turned and looked at the jury and they're like, petrified with delight? i mean, so what? i'm not going to write about that. >> so the title of this. >> book. >> is not my type, and. >> that is. >> a phrase that we. >> have heard. >> a lot. >> from men. >> when confronted with something. i want you to talk about what that phrase means and the sort. >> of innate misogyny in it. >> well. >> nobody can measure up to that. >> that's a terrible. >> that's a terrible. bar for women. we have to. >> meet every individual man's in the population. we have to reach his bar of being his type. >> it's absurd. >> it's ridiculous. it's horrible. and women should pay no attention to it. >> the new book, not my type one woman versus a president written

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