still missing continues, one survivor says he's grateful to be alive. >> i'm grateful enough to have my life and have god on my side to get me out. >> we're expecting a briefing from the governor a little bit later this morning, as well, from officials here, to give us a better sense of the numbers and who else they might be looking for. in a way, this is a race against the clock as well, because unfortunately, more rain is in the forecast. a lot of the folks here just don't know how much more they can take. >> no, no rest for the weary. it seems. jorge solis. thanks. that's it for us today. thank you for being with me. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. chris jansing is next. >> good day. i'm chris jansing. >> live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. suspect captured. the minnesota manhunt ends with the. >> man accused of. >> murdering a lawmaker and her spouse in cold blood, now in custody. any minute now, we're expecting officials to make an

announcement about new federal charges in the case. we'll have that for you. all of it. while police people across the state are grieving those killed. i'll talk to one of melissa hartman's colleagues who called her death an unspeakable loss. and we are staying on top of that. breaking news in the middle east. the dire warnings, iran now telling people in parts of tel aviv, evacuate now. more attacks are coming and israel is doing the same for parts of tehran. plus challenges and conflict. president trump in canada right now for a meeting of the g7. as nations try to navigate strained relations, trump's trade war and the growing conflict between iran and israel. realistically, what can they do now? so much to get to on a monday. but we begin in minnesota, where we are just a couple of hours away from a court appearance for the man who police say gunned down a democratic lawmaker and her husband inside their own home and then tried to kill two

others just a short time ago. the attorney for hennepin county announced they are upgrading the charges against him from second degree to first degree murder. and the u.s. attorney for minnesota is expected to make an announcement regarding federal charges any minute now. the arrest of vance beltre after 43 hours on the run, ended the largest manhunt in state history with a heart pounding search through the woods of central minnesota. hundreds of police were involved, some crawling through ditches, others hunting and fields, in one case scouring an area just a few miles from belcher's home in the tiny town of green isle. then, just before dusk, he was spotted on a trail camera giving swat teams and law enforcement the break they needed. >> we then received additional information that provided confirmation closer to the time of. the actual arrest that he was, in fact. >> in. >> that area, which is which. >> time. the command. >> post started moving all of the law enforcement.

>> assets into. >> that area, and they were able to close in. and when. >> we say he's crawling. >> towards us, these were in response to commands by the swat teams that were on scene as they were working in coordination with each other, along with our state patrol. air assets, as they looked and were able to get over. >> him. >> and then came into custody. >> beltre was ultimately arrested peacefully, although police say he was armed. he is currently in federal custody. officials won't say if he's cooperating. the 57 year old husband and father is facing murder charges for shooting and killing minnesota state representative melissa hortman and her husband, mark. he's also charged with going to the home of state senator john hoffman and shooting him and his wife, yvette, a total of 17 times. incredibly, both survived and are now awake. overnight, a statement attributed to the hoffman family says in part, john and i are both incredibly lucky to be alive. there is never a place for senseless political violence and loss of

life. that sentiment, echoed by the hennepin county attorney just in the past hour. >> it is a frightening time we are living in. political violence is prevalent, and the way we talk to and about each other has raised the temperature to unfathomable levels. we cannot continue on this way. >> i want to bring in adrienne broaddus, covering this from minnesota. catherine christian is a former assistant da for the manhattan da's office and an msnbc national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent. tom winter, with me here in studio. all right, adrienne, let's start with who? what? when where why? where is the suspect now and what's next for him? >> hey there chris. right now we know he is in federal custody. we're told he was picked up just a short time ago. and he will make his first initial court appearance at the federal level. and as you mentioned, we are waiting. we will hear those charges any moment now. but a short time ago, we did hear from

the hennepin county prosecutor, who says at the state level, they intend to seek first degree murder charges. and many of you may be wondering, what is the penalty for that? the penalty carries a life sentence without parole. and she says the most senior prosecutors will be handling this case. in that news conference, we also learned they're also seeking to find out if anyone else assisted this suspect, who we now we know is the 57 year old vance belcher. they're looking to see if anyone helped him after really some grueling and painful days. we learned earlier in the day about this negotiation between him. we heard just moments ago that the negotiation was short. it didn't take long simply because of the collaboration and coordination among members of law enforcement. if you think about it, a local police department turned into an operation center. there was a nationwide manhunt for him, and there were hundreds of tips, more than 400. the most

critical tip came yesterday from a member of the public. someone spotted that brown cowboy hat he was seen wearing on surveillance video after the killing. that's not all. they also saw a vehicle linked to him, and that led authorities to this rural area just really a short distance from his home. and we were told that the negotiation period was short simply because he was surrounded. the bca superintendent, drew evans, saying, in a nutshell, he had nowhere to go. and the suspect crawled out to authorities. it was minnesota state patrol that took him into custody. he surrendered peacefully and no one was injured. now he is going to be seen before a judge in just a short amount of time. chris. >> thank you so much for that. adrian brought us catherine. so we are expecting those federal charges to be announced against belcher any minute now. what are you expecting? what does that

mean for the other ongoing investigation instead of charges? how does this all fit together? >> well, it will be a parallel prosecution, meaning the federal charges and the minnesota charges will run parallel. the benefit, if you call it a benefit of federal charges, is there's a federal death penalty. minnesota does not have a death penalty. so if there's a conviction for murder in the first degree, the maximum would be the life without parole. if there's a conviction, if the federal government charges murder through the use of firearm and they are seeking the death penalty, obviously there would be a death penalty. the negative is obviously you have two different prosecutors, and then you have witnesses who are going to be the same witnesses, you know, having to testify multiple times, but it's the positive. if you're a prosecutor, whichever it's you have full proof. you're either going to be convicted of one or the other or both. >> is it clear who would go first? >> it's not typically the one

with the highest penalty. the death penalty, meaning the federal would go first. that's assuming that i don't know what the charges are. that is, assuming that the federal government is charging this individual with murder through the use of firearm. so typically that would happen. but it would all depend. >> so tom belcher's best friend, who is also his roommate, david carlson, has spoken to the media. he says that the suspect was a trump supporter. he was particularly passionate about opposing abortion. and i want to play a little bit more of what he told our local nbc affiliate. >> he was a loving, caring guy, you know, loved his family, loved his friends and loved god. and. i don't know why he did what he did. >> it's just. >> it's not vance. no one will believe this knowing that he had lots of friends. >> trust me. >> that would seem to indicate something different than we've

gotten used to with a lot of people who are accused of crimes like this, that they were a loner. people knew that they had gone too far in their heads about something. what do we know, really about his background? >> well, that's all that's going to be part of the investigation. is everything that his neighbor just said or his roommate said. everything that people have already talked about with him. we also know that he left behind a manifesto. we haven't gotten a lot of details about that, or at least some writings. and then on top of that, it's our understanding that he also had a list of individuals. some were democratic lawmakers, if not most. and then on top of that, that many of them were pro-choice in their beliefs. >> we're going to go to this press conference as soon as they start, you know, making some statements often at the beginning of these, they they introduce a lot of people. so until we get that, tom, can i just ask you, please, to tell us more about this, what was an extraordinarily successful 48 hours that ended in the arrest? >> yeah, i mean, i think this is an investigation and we're

starting to see them talk now. and we do anticipate these federal charges to be announced, an investigation where you saw the initial charges that were filed, second degree murder charges. >> we are going to go in now again, belcher's first court appearance coming up at 230. but these are the federal officials. let's listen. >> on our state. >> and our elected representatives. political assassinations. >> are rare. >> they strike at the very. >> core of our democracy. >> but the details. >> of belcher's crime are even worse. they are truly chilling. it is no exaggeration to say that his crimes are the stuff of nightmares. belter stalked his victims like prey. he went to their homes, held them out as a police officer and shot them in cold blood. now, misinformation out there about belcher's crimes. we have filed a detailed 20 page complaint and affidavit that sets forth what

happened in this case. i'd like to share some of that information with you now. in the early morning hours of june 14th, belcher went to the homes of four minnesota state politicians with the intent to kill them. belcher first traveled to the home of minnesota state senator john hoffman in champlin, minnesota. belcher arrived at the senator's home disguised as a police officer. he arrived in a black suv with emergency lights turned on and with a license plate that read police. belcher wore a black tactical vest and body armor. he carried a flashlight and a beretta nine millimeter handgun. he also wore a hyper realistic silicone mask. senator hoffman had a security camera.

i've seen the footage from that camera and it is chilling. beltre knocked on hoffman's front door and repeatedly shouted, this is the police! open the door! senator hoffman and his wife, yvette, came to the door. when they opened the door, belcher shined the flashlight in their faces and said there had been a shooting reported in the house. belcher asked if they had any weapons. when belcher lowered his flashlight, which he had shined in their face, they realized that he was not a police officer. they shouted out, you're not a cop, you're not a police officer! belcher then announced, this is a robbery and forced himself into their home. when senator hoffman attempted to push belcher out and stop him from entering his home, belcher shot him repeatedly. belcher then shot miss hoffman repeatedly. belcher fled the scene, and hoffman's daughter

called 911. unfortunately, the hoffman survived, although they remain hospitalized after shooting, senator hoffman and his wife, belcher traveled to the home of another minnesota state representative in maple grove, minnesota. video surveillance showed that belcher rang the doorbell at the state representatives house at approximately 2:24 a.m. on friday night. again, he was dressed as a law enforcement officer, wearing a tactical vest and body armor, carrying a handgun and a flashlight, and wearing that same hyper realistic silicone mask. again, the images, as you can see on the screen, are haunting now. fortunately, the state representative was not home. she and her family were gone on vacation, and so belcher left. belcher then traveled to the

home of a minnesota state senator who lived in new hope, minnesota. he parked in the street in that same black suv with the police license plate at about 2:36 a.m. on friday night, after learning of the shooting of senator hoffman, new hope police dispatched an officer to conduct a wellness check on the state senator who lived in new hope. when the new hope officer arrived at the scene, she saw belcher's black suv parked down the block with the lights on. the new hope police officer believed that belcher was a police officer who had been dispatched to the scene to check on the status of the state senator. the new hope police officer pulled up next to belcher and his car rolled down her window and attempted to speak with him. belcher did not respond, according to the officer. he just sat there and stared straight ahead. so the

new hope police officer, who had been dispatched to the scene, proceeded to the state senator's home, and she waited for other law enforcement to arrive. when they did, by the time they did, belcher had left the scene. belcher then traveled to brooklyn park, minnesota, and the home of minnesota state representative melissa hortman. at approximately 3:30 a.m, belcher arrived at representative hartman's house in his black suv with the police license plates. he parked in the driveway and left the emergency lights on, his suv flashing as if he was a police officer. belcher approached representative hartman's home again, dressed as a police officer, wearing the tactical vest and body armor and wearing that hyper realistic mask. he was armed and carrying a flashlight before he entered the home. two brooklyn park police officers arrived at the scene.

they, too, had been dispatched to check on senator and representative hortman after learning of the shooting of senator hoffman. when they arrived at the scene, they saw belcher's black suv parked in the driveway with the emergency lights flashing, and they saw belcher standing in front of the house several feet from the door. when belcher saw the officers get out of the car, he drew his weapon and began firing. he rushed into the house through the front door, firing into it. he repeatedly fired into the house, and when he entered, he murdered representative hortman and her husband, mark. the brooklyn park police officers fired at about. belcher as he rushed into the home, but he escaped into the home and out the back. officers

recovered belcher's nine millimeter beretta, along with the body armor and the mask behind the home along his path of flight when he fled on foot. they later searched belcher's car, where they found five more firearms, including assault style rifles and a large quantity of ammunition. belcher also had in his car notebooks containing a list of more than 45 minnesota state and federal elected officials, including representative hortman. now, belcher planned his attack carefully. he researched his family, his victims, and their families. he used the internet and other tools to find their addresses and names and the names of their family members. he conducted surveillance of their homes and took notes about the location of their homes. he also prepared in other ways. he

concealed himself as a police officer, outfitting his black suv with police lights and a police license plate, wearing a black tactical vest and body armor, carrying a police flashlight and a handgun. and of course, he wore. that hyper realistic silicone mask as seen on the surveillance videos. the video of his arrival and shooting of senator hoffman is truly chilling. again, it's no exaggeration to say this is the stuff of nightmares. there's a photo of the firearms found in beltre's abandoned suv. based on these crimes. we brought a federal complaint charging beltzner with an array of federal charges. counts one and

two charge him with stalking. count one charges him with stalking. representative melissa hortman using interstate facilities. and that's title 18, united states code 2261. the statutory penalties. there are life in prison. count two. similarly, is charged with stalking state senator john hoffman using interstate facilities. the statutory maximum penalty of that count is 20 years in prison, counts three and four charged with the murder of melissa and. of the hartmans using a firearm in violation of 18 u.s.c. 924 j count, and these are punishable by term of life imprisonment or even death, and counts five and six charge him with shooting the hartmans and

the hoffman's using a firearm, and both of those counts also carry a maximum sentence of life in prison. now, before i finish my remarks, i want to say a little bit about law enforcement and the manhunt that we've heard about the last two days over the past 48 hours, federal, state, and local law enforcement from throughout the state of minnesota have worked together to carry out the largest manhunt in minnesota history. now, a lot has been said about law enforcement in recent weeks. but make no mistake, the men and women of our federal, state and local law enforcement put their lives at risk and on the live on the line to keep minnesota safe. they worked tirelessly day and night, to make sure that the tragic events of friday night ended without further violence or bloodshed. we owe them all a debt of gratitude, and they will forever have my respect and admiration. i'm going to turn it

over to special agent alvin wilson from the fbi. >> thanks. thanks, joe. >> good morning. my name. >> is alvin winston, and. >> i. serve as. >> the special agent in charge of the fbi minneapolis field office, which. >> covers the. >> states of minnesota, north dakota, and south dakota. >> i want. >> to begin by extending my deepest. condolences to the families of the. victims and to the. community that has been shaken by this devastating act of violence. our thoughts remain. >> with those. >> who are grieving and all who have been impacted by this tragedy. over the weekend, the people of minnesota and the nation have been watching closely, as this case has unfolded. the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension provided a detailed update

yesterday, so i won't repeat those specifics. this was a targeted attack against individuals who answered the call to public service. the fbi's role in moments like this is clear. to stand alongside our partners, bring federal resources, intelligence capabilities and reach to the effort not just to apprehend the individual responsible, but to understand the full scope of the threat that work continues. this case became the largest coordinated manhunt in minnesota's history. we are proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with our law enforcement partners across the state. no single agency could have done this alone. and because of that unified effort, a dangerous individual was taken

into custody. let me say this clearly, political violence has no place in this country. the fbi, alongside our partners, will remain focused on the work ahead and on ensuring justice is served. and with that, i'll hand it over to you. >> thank you. with those comments. and we're thankful today to see these charges filed early on with our partners from the federal bureau of investigation and other federal partners from the atf, united states marshal service, and others. they provided assistance to the team of local investigators from the brooklyn park police department, hennepin county sheriff's office, and the bca that we're working on this right to begin with, along with all the other hundreds of people that stepped up with champlin police department as well in

this to pursue this justice. you might be asking, because we see a lot of times these cases, you know, go in various orders when they are. but this is an indication that the united states attorney's office stands along with us in the state of minnesota, that when somebody and an evil individual decides to move this and create fear in our communities and commit evil acts, that we will pursue every possible charge that we can from the state charges that you've learned about today, to these federal charges that were discussed early on. and i'm grateful for the leadership of the united states attorney's office and the fbi for helping us move that forward so quickly in a coordinated approach. we do that because as as ac winston said, in situations like this, we have individuals that step up to serve their communities. they are elected officials across our state. and what an individual chooses to target them for their role in representing all of us.

it's incumbent upon all of us to put all the resources forward, to hold that individual accountable, to seek justice, and to make sure that we are working together to show the community across minnesota and the united states that political violence is never okay. we as a country are formed on the basis that we have political discourse and that we have a debates ongoing on what we do and that we elect people day in, day out to represent us. and when somebody tries to undermine that, it's important for all of us to hold that person accountable so that we can move forward as a country and have a system in place that a representative government, and that we provide the protections for those individuals and their families moving forward. and so i'm thankful for these charges today to move this forward and the great work that the united states attorney's office partnering with us to, to move forward on this. and with that, we'll take some questions.

>> terrorism charge in there. >> why is it not a terrorism charges the question. you know, we brought the charges that we think are appropriate right now. obviously, these crimes are about 48 hours old. so we have an ongoing investigation. i can't comment as to what other charges may or may not be brought. >> will you see any help? did mr. belcher, will you. >> seek the death penalty? thank you for the question. will we see the death penalty? it's too early to tell. that is one of the options for several of the charges, though. >> did mr. >> belcher have any assistance? are you looking into whether. >> he may have had assistance? >> and if. >> he did, what. >> are the potential. >> consequences for anybody. who may. >> have assisted. >> him, either before or after. >> these tragic shootings? >> our investigation remains ongoing in several areas, including whether or not he had anyone helping him, assisting him in either carrying out these attacks or fleeing from them. i can't comment on that at this time. there's nothing in the complaint suggesting that someone did. but the investigation is ongoing. in fact, it's just in its infancy. it's been 48 hours, most of

which we are primarily focused on finding him. >> surveillance cameras. >> in minneapolis shortly after these crimes occurred. do we know how he got from brooklyn park to minneapolis? was it on foot? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> clarity about. >> the state charges. >> concurrent with the federal charges. >> how does. >> that all work? does this, you know, make null the state charges or take precedence over the state charges? >> it does not nullify the state charges. they remain in place today. he was brought into federal custody. he will make his initial appoint initial court appearance in federal court over in saint paul at 130 central time this afternoon, and my expectation based on prior cases is the federal case. the federal charges will be litigated first, but the state charges won't necessarily go anywhere. >> can you speak to why investigators. >> believe he carried out this attack, and for how long he may have been planning these attacks? >> well, it's pretty clear from the evidence that he's been planning these attacks for quite some time. there's voluminous writings, as you've seen in the reporting, that were found both in his car and his house, about

his planning lists of names and individuals. in terms of the why, it's unclear. >> about the interaction. >> with the interaction with. the new hope police. >> what had law. >> enforcement been. told at that point? >> were they aware. >> to be. >> on. >> the lookout for a dark suv that resembled a police vehicle? >> i don't know, i can turn that. i don't know if one of my colleagues here no, i know that they had heard about the shooting of senator hoffman and being the diligent law enforcement they were knowing that they had elected officials living in their communities. they went out to do a wellness check. i don't know more than that. >> you know. >> what i what i can say and as you can, i don't know the specifics of the question and what on that whether it is what i will tell you is that hennepin county law enforcement, working together at that time knew of that. and so as the different jurisdictions are on duty, some of them did proactive, you know, as we've heard, you've heard from chief bruley on this and maple grove, for example, and brooklyn park, i'm sorry, for example, they went out proactively to check on the status and the well-being, and that's how we encountered this and prevented additional

attacks, which we believe certainly could have occurred from occurring. so we don't know the specifics on the new hope as to what they were doing, but they were tracking the shooting that happened. and so several of them were being proactive and checking on various people that they knew resided in their city. >> did he shoot at the. >> officers in. >> brooklyn or the brooklyn park officers. that responded? >> did he shoot. >> at. >> them, or. was he shooting. >> into the house? >> and they kind of like. >> chased him into the house? >> my understanding is it's unclear at the moment whether or not he shot at them. it's possible that he did. it's not clear. obviously, it was a chaotic scene. >> was he wearing the mask when the. >> new. >> hope officer interacted with him? >> i believe he was, although i can't say for certain. >> is there a reason. >> to believe that there was plans to commit additional violence at, say, the protests. >> that. >> were going on. on that day? >> i've not seen evidence of that. it's hard to say what his plan was. obviously, he went to the homes of no less than four elected officials. he had a list of other elected officials, their home addresses. so to. >> make sure that. >> we connect the dots properly. >> could you. >> name the other two officials?

>> you know, i we can't at this time. i wouldn't surprise me if they publicly identified themselves, but it's not really my place to do that if they want to protect their own privacy. >> so what's your. >> message to minnesotans who may get a late night knock on the door from police if something's going on in their communities? i mean, can you just speak on that? >> i'm going to let law enforcement handle that one. i don't know if someone. should please. >> good morning. police chief mark bruley, brooklyn park police department. great question. >> like we send out a message to our community when this first occurred is you always can call 911 and verify if the person at your door is a police officer. if they are a working police officer, they will be connected to a dispatch center that can validate that. so the first thing i would do is if you're concerned about it is call 911. obviously there's a lot of different uniforms and it's never wrong to do that. >> can you clarify the shooting stuff? because we were told, i believe, that the person in custody did shoot at police at the hartman residence. that's an important detail. >> yeah. >> so i'll answer this again. that's part of the active investigation. and i know there's been a lot that's going on, but as any time law enforcement uses deadly force, there's a walled off separate

investigation to examine that. at that time, i will tell you, we still work through we are gathering evidence when we go through. this happened incredibly fast. what i can tell you is the police officers that were there on scene, that while they were assessing the situation, that the gunfire erupted, and we are still working through and reconstructing that crime scene. we've gathered all of the evidence related to that. and what was said there is that this is definitely happening very quickly, and we definitely know that he began shooting at the hartmans, as will be detailed in this information immediately. once the officers were assessing the situation, whether or not that the gunfire was returned at the officers or not, we are working through that and we need to recreate the crime scene itself. and i should say, i want to say like in that process, the gunfire was erupting in such a way all around that that is partly why, with the reasonable interpretation on some of those, is where that that came from. initially. >> you. >> identify the. >> potential motive here.

>> it has been widely reported that. >> the list. >> his hit. >> list contained names of people who are abortion rights supporters. and also, can you please release the names of the two other targeted victims who were fortunately to get away? >> as i said, with respect to the other two potential victims, i think it's up to them whether they want to publicly identify themselves. as i said, it wouldn't surprise me if they do. they're elected officials, but that's their right. obviously, they may have families and children and privacy interests that they need to sort through. so i'll let them do that. with respect to the potential motive. let me say this. there's been a lot of press coverage and speculation and discussion of a manifesto. i've seen nothing like unabomber manifesto in his writings. he had many, many notebooks full of plans, lists of names, surveillance efforts that he took to surveil and locate the home addresses and family members relationships with these elected officials. but i have not seen anything involving some sort of political

screed or manifesto that would clearly identify what motivated him. obviously, his primary motive was to go out and murder people. now they were all elected officials. they were all democrats. beyond that, i think it's just way too speculative for anyone who has reviewed these materials to know and to say what was motivating him in terms of ideology or specific issues. there's a lot of. >> abortion rights supporters. >> there were some abortion rights supporters, i believe, on the list. but again, there was dozens and dozens and dozens of names on, you know, hundreds of pages of documents that were recovered with his writings on them. >> confess and give more details after he was apprehended last night. >> i'm not going to comment on that at this time. >> can you talk about. >> how long this pre planning and surveillance went on? do you have any idea? >> here's what i got on for an extensive period of time. i think it's unclear. the writings appear to have been done at various times over the course of at least months i would say. but

beyond that, it's speculative. >> did he did he give any. did he have. >> there's kind of two. >> questions that go towards the. >> same thing. >> he appeared to. be involved with. >> some kind of. >> a home security or professional. security operation. i wonder if you have any details into that. and was he familiar to law enforcement. >> even though he didn't. >> appear to have any kind of serious criminal. >> record in the state? >> i i've seen the press reporting on his security company. i don't know anything beyond that or any involvement that that would have in this case. and i have no knowledge of his interactions with law enforcement prior to this. >> can you comment at all about, you. >> know, his car. >> the light pack. >> the license. >> plate. >> maybe a bit of a badge sniffer? was he obsessed. with police? >> i have no idea that i think i skipped over the slide, the police license plate wasn't an official looking police license plate, as you can tell it said. i believe it was like a reflective black things that you would buy to put on, like a mailbox, like your address on a mailbox. >> be a bit obsessed. >> with the do we know? >> i have no idea. >> there have been. >> reports that his wife was,

quote, detained at a stop rest stop in onamia and that. >> in her car. >> was found weapons, passports and a lot of cash. she was also with three children. is that true? and is the wife being investigated? >> i'll defer to law enforcement on that one. >> yeah, i can answer the question. so when you know, the question was detained, obviously when an individual commits these heinous acts and we knew he was the suspect in this case, we're going to want to talk to the family. you know, at this point in time, this is, you know, under active prosecution. and so we want to be careful about what we say. she was cooperative with us at that time. there were firearm in the vehicle at the time, had valid reasons for her to she was legally in possession. i should say that at this time. and there were other items that were recovered, but we're going to leave that to some of the prosecution as we work this out. so we're not going to comment on all of it, as this is still continue to be

part of the active investigation. we need to figure out exactly what all this means in relation to this. >> to be clear. >> there's not. >> going to be a first. >> appearance in. >> district court. >> then today. and then where is he being held? >> there will be an initial appearance in federal court over in saint paul, minnesota at 130 central time this afternoon. i do not anticipate there will be an appearance in state court today. >> just one more question on the on the hit list that you said 45 names and we've seen more than that. was there more than 45? >> there's lots of i mean, yeah. >> and i think it can help. i mean just there's a lot of names that we're working together right now. so the fbi, there are some and we've mentioned this, that there are some other names that are from out of state. they have been working through the through our fusion center network across the united states. and then our partners at the fbi are helping coordinate with that in that process. the question is a good one. part of what we're looking through, the names, the numbers that you're referencing, they are was names in multiple notebooks. some of them are redundant. so i don't have a total number of people

that were in there because some of them are overlapping on multiple lists. and again, i do want to continue to clarify. this is not a list of people that was in a numerical order and some sort of ranking. these are names that are being developed as we are looking at this across multiple writings. in terms of that, just to be clear about it. >> and what was senator hoffman's name even in there, though. >> i believe it was. >> where is he being held. >> right now? i think he's in the custody of the united states marshals service over at the saint paul federal courthouse. beyond that, i'll defer to the marshals on where he'll be held, assuming he's held in custody pending trial. >> can today's. >> court appearance. >> be considered. >> an arraignment? is there. >> anything you can tell us about what's happening? >> it'll be an initial appearance. because he's only charged by complaint. he has not yet been indicted, so he'll have an initial appearance, as all defendants do, before a federal judge, where he'll be asked to identify identify himself. the court will appoint a lawyer to represent him, or he can retain one and have a lawyer represent him. and then the court will ask whether or not we will move to

seek his detention pending trial, which we obviously will. and then the court could set a detention hearing and a preliminary hearing to assess whether or not there's probable cause to charge him by complaint. how much of that will happen? actually, today is unclear. we'll see at 130. >> is that the. >> warren burger. >> federal building? >> and that's. >> the only. court appearance today. >> correct. thank you, superintendent evans. yesterday, the way that things played out yesterday, when you came up for the 530 or so press conference, did you know that he was close to being caught at that point, or did it come as a surprise when you got the trail cam information? or from a neighbor who saw him in the field? >> so that, you know, we as noted, we still had belief that he was a sibley county when we held that we did not know the information specifically that he was there, based on the overall investigative. that was still our belief there. but the specific information that led to his arrest at that time, we were not tracking yet. so, i mean, i assume that's related to the timeline these teams and the law enforcement teams acted very quickly when they had a specific

lead. that led us to know he was in that area. and so it was a relatively short period of time where they converge and were able to do that. >> what we knew before this. >> news conference was bad enough. what you have told us is even worse. where does this rank in terms of attacks that you know of across the united states, and what you addressed some of your reaction, but can you all three give us your reaction? >> look, i mean, this was a political assassination, which is not a word we use very often in the united states, let alone here in minnesota. it's a it's a chilling attack on our democracy, on our way of life. it's only the most recent example of violent political extremism in this country. and that's a trend that's been increasing in recent years. and that's unfortunate. and i hope it a wake up call to everyone that people can disagree with you without being evil or needing to be killed or hurt.

>> you mentioned that multiple. >> different aspects of this investigation were found in multiple different notebooks. how many were discovered and were they all in his vehicle? >> some. my understanding is some notebooks were recovered from his vehicle and others from his house, although obviously there was a lot of there was law enforcement literally from all around the state. i couldn't begin to identify all of them, representatives of many of those or some of those agencies are here, but far more were involved. and so all i can say, there was many notebooks recovered from multiple locations, and part of it. >> don't make sense about him going back home. like, what was he thinking? did he say he was trying to get back to his house? i mean, it's odd, i guess you could say. >> i can't speculate as to what was in his mind. he obviously went on a murderous rampage on friday. so i think i'm not aligned with his thought process. >> mr. winston. >> can you talk about is there any sort. >> of attention being paid to what kind of safety needs to be given to politicians at this time, or is this a space where people feel like any threat has has left with this arrest?

>> okay, so what we're going to do is we're going to, of course, take these threats as serious as possible and throw all available resources towards these threats. we are in lockstep with the capitol police on a regular basis, and we're continuing to have those conversations about threats towards politicians. thank you for that question. >> maybe one more question here. before we wrap up. >> perhaps this is for. >> chief rowley. >> just wanted. >> to wrap. >> it. >> back to. >> hoping you can. >> speak to just how pivotal. >> pivotal it is that your. >> officers acted proactively, stopping by the portman's. >> house and likely stopping more victims. >> yeah. great question. just for everybody in the room, the question is, how important was it that the police officer stopped at representative portman's house, which really foiled this entire plan? it's incredibly important. that started with a sergeant who was actually off duty, was walking out of the building and had heard that there was a shooting in another community at senator hoffman's house being alert,

seen. two officers in the police department said, hey, drive by melissa hartman's house and just check on the house, would you? and that's essentially what they pulled up and found that in the drive. was the car in essentially the criminal act was occurring as they pulled up. had they not foiled the plan, you know, essentially took his vehicle away from him, which involved all his maps, all his names, all his weaponry. i would be very scared what it would look like over the next few hours had we not done that. >> and just clarify, did. >> your sergeant know. >> about the new hope and maple grove incidents, or just the one in champlin? >> he only knew about the one that occurred in champlin? >> so the officer that. >> the other officer. >> that came upon him at the. >> second house and saw. >> him. >> sitting in a vehicle. >> did did she. >> realize like did did she report that and did they try to

chase him? did she realize that was suspect or. >> i don't i don't think she did. she knew something was awry. and then he left and proceeded to brooklyn park and carried out the next shooting. so it got lost in the chaos of the event and lost in the chaos of events. but there was a new shooting shortly thereafter. it really is remarkable to the question earlier how he went to four houses that night and then three of them or two of them. he encountered law enforcement at the third and fourth one, and the second one. no one was home at all. it's remarkable how diligent law enforcement was at 230, 3:00 and 330 in the morning on a friday night that they were responding to just to do wellness checks on our politicians. it's a testament. the last 48 hours have been an incredible testament to the professionalism and dedication and commitment of our federal, state and local law enforcement. thank you all. >> thank you, thank you. >> in chilling detail, we have learned from minnesota investigators what happened in what they have called a murderous rampage and political

assassination. the outline of 20 pages detailing what they say the suspect did, how he went not to 1 to 3, but four. at least four separate houses of state representatives in minnesota, killing two people, seriously injuring two more, who miraculously survived an onslaught of bullets. he had stalked his victims like prey, is the way officials put it, shot them in cold blood, and these devastating acts of violence, these heinous acts of violence, were planned carefully using the internet, using surveillance, using his own outfit and body armor. i want to bring in katherine krishnan and of press conferences together.

this was extremely pointed, extremely detailed, and i want to play just a little bit of just how carefully police say investigators say the suspect planned all of this. >> planned his attack carefully. he researched his family, his victims and their families. he used the internet and other tools to find their addresses and names and the names of their family members. he conducted surveillance of their homes and took notes about the location of their homes. he also prepared in other ways. he concealed himself as a police officer, outfitting his black suv with police lights and a police license plate, wearing a black tactical vest and body armor, carrying a police flashlight and a handgun. and of course, he wore. that hyper realistic silicone mask as

seen in the surveillance videos. >> he goes to their doors. those who answered, he presents himself as a police officer and then, in one case, as a robber, now potentially facing formal first degree murder charges, which would include a death penalty option. your big takeaways, tom, from this press conference. >> yeah, i think objectively, as bad as this is, the fact that it could have been a whole lot worse. i mean, you have two houses that he went to. in one instance, the person wasn't home again. another lawmaker in the second instance, police arrived there and not sure what he's about. he then leaves and goes to the fourth home where he's involved in the second shooting. so this could have been a lot worse. i think the idea that law enforcement in the middle of the night thought to pick up the phone or pick up the radio and start sending out units to various state lawmakers, shows a level of proactive law enforcement that is really astounding to look at. >> extraordinary and life

saving. >> 100% life saving, and i think speaks to the fact that law enforcement agencies, from their most local level to the top of the fbi or top of the state police or the nypd, the biggest law enforcement agencies in this country are now acutely aware of the threat of political violence. and they took it so seriously and that it unquestionably saved lives based on the account that we have from the allegations in the criminal complaint. speaking to that on the charges, two counts of stalking. when you use a cell phone or the internet to look somebody up, you're going across state lines, and that's the charge that they have here. so just by the fact that he was looking up and stalking online, these individuals and then committed a crime after that, those are the first two counts. counts three and four have to do with the murder of hortman. and that's using a firearm in a violation of a federal statute. that is, a life imprisonment is the maximum sentence there. that is a death penalty eligible charge. there's also charges the

shooting of the hoffman's using a firearm. the detail that he knocked on the door. he's got the lights flashing. he's wearing the silicone mask now. confirmed that he was wearing a mask. he's got the police flashlight there. you're looking at the image right there. very clear. and then when they challenge him at the hortman residence with, you're not a police officer, what is this all about? he says, well, this is a robbery. they try to hold him back, and then he fires his weapon in his. involved in the two homicides there, the daughter calling 911 an incredibly chilling detail that we received from the us attorney, in this case, joseph thompson, the acting u.s. attorney. couple other notes from this. this is the largest field office, fbi field office in the country by geographic size. alvin winston, who runs that office saying that this was the largest manhunt in minnesota history, talking about how everyone came together there. i know kathryn christian more of an expert on this than i am, but with respect to the idea of terrorism charges, or would there be charges more tied to

the potential politics of this? one of the things that came out that we have not described, we've said that law enforcement used the word manifesto. we have not. we've been saying writings from the beginning. we've said several dozen politicians that are there to this point. this is an important kind of a clarification and information from the acting u.s. attorney. there does not appear to be a screed here, a 3 or 4 page type document or written document that says, this is why i did this crime. so that's one of the things why they're being so careful. as they point out, they're still just going through the phones. they're going through the whole investigative process. so the criminal complaint is kind of like a placeholder, if you will. it starts the legal process. it puts them in legal custody. but undoubtedly we'll get more information in the days and weeks ahead. >> and kathryn christian, that is an important point. we never in these initial press conferences. first of all, i don't think we see the level of detail that we got, but they only give you a fraction of what they know and what they may yet understand to be true, including

the many notebooks full of plans that they say they found over the course of months for at multiple locations. so no political screed, but what looked like incredibly detailed planning. what did you hear with a prosecutor's mind? >> well, the first thing i thought for the federal prosecutors, this these details are the aggravating factors that justify the imposition of the death penalty. so that's what you would have to show for the federal side. there is no death penalty in minnesota that there are these aggravating factors, substantial planning and preparation. the list i also was thinking about the two legislators who fortunately were not home. i was thinking there could be a stalking charge for those two, or even an attempted murder, depending on the evidence, because clearly he was not going to these two public officials just for a visit. and how lucky they are that they are alive and unharmed. and that was

thankful to the law enforcement. so as a prosecutor, i'm also thinking, do i have those extra charges? did he take a substantial step toward stalking or trying to murder them? >> devastating. >> kathryn christian, tom winter, thanks to both of you. i want to bring in minnesota democratic state representative sidney jordan, a colleague of representative melissa hortman, who sat next to her as they served together in the statehouse. thank you for joining us. i know this is an incredibly emotional time for you. how are you? and does this arrest at least give you any sense of relief? >> yes. >> thank you. i would say that i am. >> safe, but i don't know that. >> i'm okay. i don't know that any of my colleagues are going to be okay for some time. it's it is a relief to know. that the person. who allegedly did this is, is not out there thinking about this, but it's a lot to

take in. >> we did just learn in this news conference, and i don't know how much of it you were able to listen to that the suspect is accused of stalking and conducting surveillance on the victims. he actually visited at least four homes that night. can you even process what was going on here? >> unfortunately, in my capacity as a legislator, this is not the first time i have had to deal with being stalked and receive threats many of my colleagues have in the past, but this is obviously one of the first times this has happened. it's hard to contemplate the idea of being watched in this manner. you know, we are highly visible, extroverted community members to be legislators. you know, my community, my neighbors on my block made sure that my home was being watched for me. but this is a lot to take in in terms of what exactly was going through the mind of this person when he

went through and targeted legislators like this. it's just so heartbreaking. what happened to speaker hortman and mark hortman? >> what would you like people to know about what was lost with melissa hortman what it means to you personally, professionally, and also what she meant to the state, her service to her community and her state. >> i think if you can think of something that came out of a law in minnesota, whether it's the bus you ride to work or the street you drive on to work, the meal, the breakfast, the lunch your child receives at school for free, the time off you received, care for your friends or loved ones. if you see a solar panel in the state of minnesota, it's because of melissa hortman. she advocated for planting trees across our state because it would be. we know that we need trees to combat climate change, to make sure that people have what they need to keep their homes cool.

but she also just loved trees, and she loved gardening, and she loved the outdoors. melissa hortman made your life better in minnesota. melissa was the kind of person who would tell us to do things like take off your blue jerseys and your red jerseys when you go to work and be a human. and melissa made it so that we could govern the state of minnesota so effectively over the past couple of years. she was a fierce negotiator, but she was a good friend. she was funny. she liked to have fun, and we've all lost just a giant, just an incredible person. and we also lost mark hortman, who was also just one of the sweetest, kindest people who loved melissa so much and was so proud of the work she was doing in saint paul. >> we are very sorry for your loss, for your personal loss, for the loss in the state of a dedicated public servant. minnesota state representative sydney jordan. it is a tribute to her and a tribute to you that you came on today and shared with us your experience and your

feelings. so thank you. >> thank you. >> this is unfortunately, just the latest example of what is increasingly becoming an inescapable reality in america political violence. just consider the last three months a man set fire to the pennsylvania governor's mansion while he and his family were asleep inside the republican party headquarters in new mexico and a tesla dealership near albuquerque both firebombed. two israeli embassy staffers gunned down in cold blood in washington, an attack in colorado, where protesters calling for the release of israeli hostages were set on fire. as lisa lehrer of the new york times writes, political violence, like school shootings is becoming almost routine. another fact of living in an anxious and dangerously polarized country. her times colleague nick kristof is with us. you cannot help but be struck by what we just heard

from sidney jordan that, unfortunately, she's used to being stalked. she knows what it is to be threatened. political violence isn't new, but when i heard one of the speakers today saying, this is an attack on our democracy and our way of life, where are we? nick? how did we get here? >> so. >> you know, the director of the. fbi in minnesota said. >> in that press conference. >> that political. violence has no place in the u.s. well, i mean, tragically, it has found a place. and you outlined several of those examples coming from both the left and the right. this is a problem at both ends of the spectrum. i think it's been magnified, chris, by a few things. i think it's been, you know, magnified by polarization and the toxicity of the debate

incubated on social media. and by the degree to which extremists find other extremists and excuse the sentence of their own side. you know, i think of the murder, the assassination of brian thompson, the united ceo. and i think there were people in my world on the left who were way too likely to excuse a cold blooded murder. so i think, you know, we have we all have to look at the rhetoric at the degree to which and it can inspire some folks. bob pape at the university of chicago did some polling and found that between 6 and 8% of people on both left and right justify violence to achieve their aims. and, you know, chris, i think another factor is simply the technology of assassination. you know, the fact that, you know, there are extremists all around the world, but in most of the world, you can't get a nine

millimeter handgun and carry through that threat and murder people so easily. and i think this is going to get worse because of drones. you know, in the next ten years, we're going to see people using weaponized drones to attack public officials like that. and that's going to be even harder to defend against. so, sure, we need law enforcement, but we also have to attack the underlying attitudes that nurture this kind of extremist violence. >> there are studies you mentioned one, there have been more than 170 incidents just through april. nick of threats and harassment against local officials in nearly 40 states. so just in the first four months, a prominent researcher concluded that the subject of political violence urgently needs study because people seem to be arming up and the result could reshape the future of the country. do you think that that's true? and if so, i'd like

you to expand upon what you just ended with, which is how do we turn this around? because somehow in the 60s, rfk and jfk and martin luther king and medgar evers, that time felt like the world was going to come to an end. this is i mean, you have a current president with two assassination attempts against him, but down to the lower level, elected officials who can't feel safe in their own homes, one of whom had to stand in front of his daughter to protect her. and then she has to call 911. how do we come back? >> so, i mean, as you suggest, and murder is an offense against an individual. assassination is an offense against the state, against the political system, against all of us. and, you know, indeed, i mean, president trump, he survived two assassination attempts, but his rhetoric and the degree to which

he has demonized his critics, the degree to which he has talked about the use of force, i think, you know, can inspire some small share of people to, to behave in really violent ways. i think that, unfortunately, the impunity that arose from the pardons of the january 6th, violent attackers against police, i think that that impunity also makes this kind of thing somewhat more likely. but again, you know, fundamentally, we i think all sides have to try to police their own. i don't have any influence over extremist conservatives. maybe i have a little bit of influence over people on the on the blue side who are extremists. and we all have to make very clear that we disagree with people. we hold them accountable, we hold their feet to the fire, but we