texas back in 1865. miss lee said that during said this during a past interview on the holiday. quote, freedom is for everyone. i think freedom should be celebrated from the 19th of june to the 4th of july. however, none of us are free until we are all free. we are not free yet, and juneteenth is a symbol of that. and she went on to say something that i just think means everything. if people have been taught to hate, they should be taught to love. amen. wise words from the grandmother of juneteenth taking us off the air tonight. and on that very beautiful note, i wish you a good. >> good night. >> from all of us here at msnbc. thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you. >> at the end. >> of tomorrow. >> a number of the nation's

largest newspapers. and i don't say this lightly. i have a huge amount of respect for the media, but a number of the nation's largest newspapers made an age old mistake today. they took the words of the trump administration at face value and spit them right back out to the american public without context, without much of anything. here are some of the headlines this afternoon. here's one from the wall street journal. trump's iran decision to come within two weeks from the washington post. trump says he'll decide on iran strike within two weeks. and from the associated press. trump says he'll decide whether u.s. will directly attack iran within two weeks. now, those headlines all stem from what caroline leavitt read today at today's white house press briefing. >> now, regarding the ongoing situation in iran, i know there has been a lot of speculation amongst all of you in the media regarding the president's decision making and whether or

not the united states will be directly involved. in light of that news, i have a message directly from the president, and i quote, based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with iran in the near future, i will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks. that's a quote directly from the president for all of you. today. >> i will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks. that's a quote directly from the president. all of that in isolation, in isolation. if it was from another white house, it makes it sound like the current president wants to give himself and his advisors time to really consider. i mean, one of the most serious foreign policy decisions a president can make. he wants to be clear, maybe to the public, that they can expect a decision from him in two weeks. that would be under a normal presidency. and sure, i guess there's a percentage chance that's what's going on this time. but the very

important context that is completely missing. no surprise from caroline's announcement or statement or reading of the statement and all those headlines is this i'll give it to i'll get to it in two weeks. is one of donald trump's absolute favorite tactics. he literally uses it all the time. and most of the time. in fact, almost every time when two weeks rolls around, trump has either completely forgotten about whatever it was he promised in the first place. or and i think this is more likely than the first one. he's hoping people have just moved on, that the news cycle is on to something else, maybe something else he fabricated, maybe just something else in general. i mean, he's already done this at least ten times in the six months since he took office. ten times. >> we're going to be sending letters out in about a week and a half, two weeks, i can tell you that, but i'll let you know in about two weeks. within two weeks, i could answer that question better. in two weeks. i'll do this. at some point over the next two weeks, i'll announce it over the next two

weeks. i'll tell you about that in a month from now or two weeks from now. >> you trust president putin. >> you know, in about two weeks you can ask that question in two weeks. and we'll see. it'll be out in about less than two weeks. we're going to start selling hopefully in about two weeks. >> about two weeks, about two weeks. maybe it's a tick. maybe he read a marketing report that says people move on in the media. who knows? but the point is, it's a tactic that trump has used on almost every issue, from his fake timeline around russia, ukraine, peace negotiations to his made up timelines around big trade deals where all those big trade deals everyone to has made to his issuing visas for high skilled immigrants. he claims it all is coming in just two weeks. of course it never does. and honestly, it's a bit maddening that this tactic can still spark headlines like all of the ones i read earlier, because it's not new. he did the exact same thing

throughout his first term in office. >> we're going to be announcing something i would say over the next 2 or 3 weeks. i'll be making a big decision on the paris accord over the next two weeks. we are coming out with that plan in two weeks. we'll be reporting back sometime over the next two weeks. you'll be seeing that over the next two weeks, over the next two weeks. and it doesn't have to be today. it can be tomorrow, and it can be in two weeks from now. >> it could be in two weeks from now. it could be in two weeks. notice pattern there. it's a big pattern. i could honestly spend half the show just showing you clips of donald trump promising to do something in exactly two weeks. you can google it. there's lots that he never ended up doing, and we've kind of known about this forever. i mean, this was the headline from bloomberg less than six months into trump's first term. here it is. quote, in trump's white house. everything's coming in two weeks. so what should we

actually take away from trump's two week deadline on iran? because that's what we're talking about and dealing with now. well, one likely possibility is that trump doesn't want to have to make have to make a decision about this at all. he just wants to keep punting it down the road. he doesn't mind speculation, the attention, but he doesn't want to actually commit to a decision. and it's not hard to see why. i mean, over the past week, trump has been inching closer and closer toward a us strike in iran. and while netanyahu has been delighted by that as one way of describing it, and there have been a number of warmongering advocates appearing around the clock on fox news advocating for that and pushing it. it has also caused a huge uproar within the isolationist wing of the maga base, a big part of his base and one of maga's loudest voices opposing war with iran is longtime trump adviser steve bannon. wouldn't you know it? this morning, steve bannon was spotted entering the white house. there he is. a senior white house official said that bannon and trump had lunch together, a meeting that was

supposed to take place weeks ago but was rescheduled. and maybe that's true. who knows? but we know that steve bannon probably said to the president in that meeting what he probably said, because he's been saying it publicly all week. >> and i'm telling people, hey, if we get sucked into this war, which inexorably looks like it's going to happen on the combat side, it's going to not just blow up the coalition, it's also going to thwart what we're doing with the most important thing, which is the deportation of the illegal alien invaders that are here. if we don't do that, we don't have a country. >> i mean, there are a lot of legitimate reasons not to want war with iran, made trump punt it down the road and never strike iran. steve bannon's idea that it would somehow interfere with the trump with trump's mass deportation agenda is, of course, not one of them. but maybe donald trump bought that argument because no matter how indifferent or undecided trump appears today on iran, he is still 100% committed to upending

the lives of immigrants across the country. there's no question about that. and while i know that the very real prospect of war with iran has pushed this story off the front pages, although we've tried to talk about it nearly every night, people haven't forgotten what's happening in their own communities here at home. i mean, this was the crowd outside dodger stadium in los angeles this afternoon. dozens and dozens of people showing up to protest almost immediately after reports that federal immigration agents were attempting to use the parking lot as a staging ground. the department of homeland security identified the agents present as part of customs and border protection, but said they were not there for an operation. in a statement, the dodgers said that federal agents had come to the stadium and requested access to the parking lots, but were denied that access by the team. and just the idea, just the idea that there might be ice agents at dodger stadium brought out this many people. today, in a matter of hours, you can see them on the screen there. that

is how angry the residents of los angeles are about what is happening in their city right now, and with the city that on edge. a source with knowledge of federal law enforcement operations tells nbc news that vice president j.d. vance is planning to visit los angeles this week. whose idea was that? steve bannon's donald trump's a combo. who knows? that ought to go well. what a good strategic idea. see, in many ways, the actions by the trump administration, los angeles seem designed to provoke a reaction. and maybe that's the point. i don't say that to judge the people who are reacting. what the trump administration is doing in la is so unbelievably cruel, it would be impossible not to react. and in fact, it's encouraging. people are reacting today in a home depot parking lot in hollywood, california. we saw what has become an all too familiar scene in the 7 a.m. hour this morning. witnesses say they saw dozens of masked, heavily armed federal agents pull up to home depot and arrest day laborers and street vendors.

and i'm going to warn you, when we show you a lot of videos on this show, but the one i'm about to show you is kind of hard to watch. so if you'd like to look away, i'm going to give you just a second to do that. this is how one witness described the incident to the local tv news station, ktla. >> several people were. >> running upwards. >> wilkins place. i informed them. >> that ice. >> agents were. >> around the area. they were. >> aware of that. and then that's when. >> the suv. >> pulled up. >> came out. >> to agents, tackled. >> down a. >> individual with no questions. they placed his face into. >> the dirt. >> a separate witness told nbc news that she saw these masked agents detain and drive away with what she believes were 20 to 25 people. nbc news has not been able to independently verify that number. we can't even verify that these were federal agents. federal officials issued only a generic response when asked about this

incident, saying that operations like these take place every day, and unfortunately, they're not lying a day, some at court hearings, some at routine check ins, and some seemingly just profiled and pulled off the street and sent to detention centers. as of june 1st, a week before trump federalized the national guard in california, before this latest escalation in immigration raids, ice was already detaining about 10,000 more people than they had the funding to detain. they are funded to detain 41,500 people before this latest escalation in raids, they already had more than 51,000 people detained. and that means that these conditions are not going to work for the number of people they have. and that's why all across the country, we have seen allegations of overcrowding under feeding and unsanitary conditions at those facilities.

just two weeks ago, detainees at an immigration detention center in florida were were seen spelling out sos with their bodies. you can see it right there on the screen. npr reported on allegations of overcrowding, lack of food, and rampant untreated illnesses at that facility. immigration officials deny those claims. a week ago tonight, four detainees escaped a detention center in new jersey and local press reports that those four escaped during a riot inside the facility that started after detainees broke, protested what immigrants rights groups said was insufficient food. immigration officials also deny those claims. a few weeks ago, we brought you the story of 18 year old marcelo gomes da silva, who was detained on his way to soccer practice. there he is on the screen. he spent six days. he's an 18 year old in an immigration detention facility in massachusetts, which he described like this. >> i don't want to cry, but i want to say that that place, it's not good. it's not good. ever since i got here, they had

me in handcuffs. they put me downstairs, and i was in a room with a bunch of 35 year old men. and those rooms were small compared to the size of. >> like, how many. >> men were there? there was, like, 40 men in there. no one deserves to be down there. you sleep. sleep on concrete floors. the bathroom. i have to use the bathroom in the open with like, 35, 35 year old men. like it's humiliating. >> he's an 18 year old kid. just describing that, being in a position to describe that. i should also add that this week, the spokesperson for immigration and customs enforcement called marcelo's description of his detention that you heard him just give bravely, blatant lies. marcelo himself says he stands by his comments. and with disputes over the basic facts about the conditions of detention centers and detention centers already overcapacity, which we just know simply by the numbers, and federal agents arresting so many more people every day. the need for

oversight is clear. and by law, members of congress are supposed to be able to access federal immigration detention facilities at any time they want to perform that oversight. but over and over and over again all across the country, they are getting turned away. here was the scene in new york yesterday, as congressman jerry nadler and dan goldman were denied entry to a detention center on the premise that that it isn't a detention center, it's just a processing facility where people are allegedly housed for days without beds. they were denied entry. here was the scene in chicago yesterday. as for members of congress tried to get access to a detention facility where they had received reports of people sleeping on the floor and going without food. they were also denied entry. they are allowed to get access to these facilities anytime they want by law. they continue to be denied entry. and take a look at how congressman jonathan jackson and raja krishnamoorthi were treated when they tried to get into the same facility on wednesday.

>> i am an officer. >> with ice. >> ice with ice. you have an id? can you see it? >> i don't have. >> to. >> show that to you. >> you don't have to. >> show that. >> i'm telling you to leave. >> i've already identified myself. i'm an officer. you're not allowed to be here. >> police are coming. okay. >> what are we doing this on purpose, sir. what are you. >> they literally shut the window on members of congress so that they wouldn't have to keep talking to them. in los angeles, representative jimmy gomez, who represents most of downtown la, has been repeatedly denied access to a federal building where immigrants from some of la's recent raids are being held. first, they told them he needed an appointment. he doesn't. then they told him it was unsafe for him to enter. not true. and then on tuesday, they told him this. >> they said that my oversight of this facility doesn't apply because that this is not a detention facility. well, it does say metropolitan detention

center right here in big, bold letters. but they say that this is a processing center. >> the department of homeland security is playing semantics. that's one of the things they're doing to try to deny congress its legal right of oversight over their facilities. today, the washington post reported that dhs had issued new guidance this month about congressional oversight visits under the new protocol. members of congress are asked to provide notice of an impending visit to any ice facility at least 72 hours in advance. they said that congress's oversight powers only apply to detention centers and not field offices, even if those field offices are where people are being physically detained, which in many cases they are. obviously, this can't stand. it shouldn't stand. the question is, what can members of congress do about it? what can anyone do about it? how can they fight back against these detention facilities that appear to be breaking the law? congressman jimmy gomez is standing by and jimmy gomez is standing by and he joins me in just 90s.

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conditions at these facilities that we're trying to shine a light on as well. but i just want to start by asking you about some events today that were quite confusing, which is what was happening in the parking lot at dodger stadium. what do you know about it? what have officials told you about what happened there? >> so early this morning, i got a text from my staff saying that ice was staging up right outside the gates of dodger stadium, and we also heard reports that ice was doing raids, or federal agents were doing raids in hollywood. and a lot of the vans that were picking up people in hollywood were then going back to dodger stadium. so when they were saying that they had no there was no enforcement operation. well, that's complete nonsense as bs. and then we were told that they were trying to get in to use the parking lots by my staff and that basically the dodgers turned them away. but at the same time, i want everyone to know that this, this administration lies, lies, lies.

every time you see something, they always try to gaslight you or just say that it didn't happen. that is what i think happened was they were they were taking people, staging people in near dodger stadium, trying to maybe take passengers from one vehicle or detainees and put them in another. and they got trapped by all the protesters at the bottom of the hill. so this is this is just a pattern of lawlessness when it comes to this administration. >> there's no question. i mean, the protesters responded. it made it hard. the dodgers also didn't want them to be there. reportedly the dodgers officials. it sounds like what you're saying is that you think it was. it could have been or their intention was maybe to make it a bit of a staging ground where they were going to arrest people and bring them back there to move vehicles or transport them to other places. >> correct. so i had a similar situation two weeks ago on a friday that started in chinatown. they were staging. they said it was to protect the

federal buildings, but then all of a sudden all these ice vans started showing up. department of homeland security started showing up. so they say one thing, but then the facts on the ground show that it's completely something else. and the facts are we were hearing reports on this situation that they were taking. they're using the same vans and bringing those same vans that they use to conduct raids in hollywood to dodger stadium. >> i want to ask you about i mean, that is just it's a huge parking lot. so clearly they had enormous plans there. potentially. that sounds like they were thwarted. for now, i want to ask you about this new reporting that dhs is requiring 72 hours notice from any member of congress who wants to inspect an ice detention facility. you've been blocked repeatedly. repeatedly. we just showed a video of you explaining what their explanation was the last time. but you've been blocked repeatedly from trying to enter federal buildings to visit people who are being detained. what can you do to ensure you get access and what concerns do

you have? because when you give 72 hours notice, they can clean things up. they can make things look better, they can give people food. i don't know. they can do all sorts of things. what concerns do you have about about the 72 hour piece? >> well, the 72 hour piece is concerning because it's thwarting the law. remember, the law says we can show up at any moment to conduct oversight. number two, they're going to they're going to move things around. they'll make sure that there's not there's not overcrowding. they'll make sure that they clean up the area. that's what they do. in order for us not to see what's really going on in those facilities. but what's really concerning is how now they're saying that this law doesn't apply because they're a processing facility. i was speaking to somebody in congressional affairs and said, we're not detaining anybody here. we're actually processing people here. and it was like, what if you're not free to leave, you're a detainee, and therefore we have authority to conduct oversight. so what's going to happen when all of a sudden they open up field camps and say, these are not detention

centers? oh, we're not we're not detaining anybody. we're processing them for months on end. that's the kind of stuff that happens in, in vietnam where you can actually be held indefinitely, as they do research on your case until they investigate your case. that's not who we are. we're the united states of america. we have rules and laws in place to protect the civil rights and civil liberties of individuals that are assumed innocent until proven guilty. but with this administration, if you're brown and you're walking on the street or you're in this country, you're guilty until you prove you're a citizen. and even in those cases, they're still detaining people who are american citizens, which is completely shameful and not who we are. >> it shouldn't be who we are. let me ask you about this reporting that jd vance might visit la this week. i mean, it seems like an insane thing to do, but to me, i also think this is kind of what they want. they want to create chaos and create

a reaction. what do you make of it and do you think he should come? >> i don't think he should come, but he's going to be met by, i believe, protesters upon thousands and thousands of protesters because jd vance is just as bad as donald trump, and he's basically here to not only to antagonize, but to and to taunt, but to send a message that they're not going away. well, we're not going away either. so we're going to keep on making sure that our voices are heard, but we're going to do it in a peaceful way so that people understand the injustice that's being committed against the people of los angeles. >> congressman jimmy gomez, thank you for continuing to show up and continuing to try to explain to all of us and everybody what what is actually going on. i really appreciate you joining us. thank you. and coming up, i showed you that one clip of caroline leavitt earlier, and i'm going to give her the rest of the day off. i'm gonna step in and answer some questions. she got at her briefing today after a very quick break.

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was naturally a big focus of today's press briefing. of course, it was now given some of the answers i heard from the current press secretary. i thought i'd take another crack at answering some of them myself. okay, we're going to start with mary bruce from abc news. kick it off, mary. >> just to clarify the president's statement just now, when he says that he'll make a decision in the next two weeks, is he saying that if iran does not come back to the negotiating table within the next two weeks, that the president will strike? and is he seeing any. >> signs of progress? >> he obviously is holding out hope for negotiations, but is he seeing any inklings of progress that give him that hope that talks are still possible? >> mary, mary, mary two weeks is a tactic. it's not any timeline or deadline. i mean, to give you a sense and i mentioned this earlier, he's used this tactic ten times in the last six months alone, and he did it a lot during the first term to. and guess what? there's never anything at the end of the two weeks. now, as for the negotiating table, that would be

great, but it is kind of hard to imagine iran is actually going to do that right now, given it would make them look like they're responding to trump's threat. i mean, we'll see, but that's what they might look like. they also see all the politics in the united states that we do. they know where steve bannon was, that he was at the white house today. they know what the maga members of the isolationist party think. they know there's a civil war within the republican party. they know all that. they know trump is weighing it. this is about trump buying time. maybe he will make a decision to strike. maybe he won't. but my bet is this is just as much about reading domestic politics and having more time to do that as it is about actually negotiating tactics. all right, politico's dasha burns. >> i know things. >> are going. >> day by day right now. >> the president wants maximum optionality. >> is the. >> possibility of the u.s. getting involved in. regime change in iran at all on the table at this point. >> i mean, less than a week ago,

trump did muse about going after the ayatollah. it was less than a week ago in the same post where he told people to evacuate tehran. now, who knows? but all of that likely stems from the fact that it is definitely on the table for netanyahu, who even told abc news that israel might choose to end the conflict by killing iran's supreme leader. he said that out loud. so if the u.s. gets further mired in israel's war and killing iran's leader is the end game. we know trump is taking a lot of direction from netanyahu, so an attempt at regime change is certainly a possibility, certainly on the table. okay. next up, rob crilly from the telegraph. >> to what extent. >> is this. >> two week delay. >> with iran, the. >> result of interventions. >> by the likes of tucker carlson, marjorie taylor greene. or the entreaties of european leaders who want a de-escalation? >> oh, rob, the president appears to make his decisions based on whoever tripped less in his ear or whatever he lasts on fox news. and the fact that

steve bannon was at the white house today, kind of around the time trump decided to put his decision on ice for two weeks, though, steve bannon had said, a lot of these things publicly tells you a lot about what you need to know right now. now, if you're looking for a rank order of the people you listed or the groups you listed, i can assure you that of all the people you mentioned and i'm going to throw fox news iosition than steve bannon, marjorie taylor greene, the people he is least likely to listen to are the european leaders, i can assure you of that. okay. mike carter from newsmax, why not? >> one last question. when it comes to. >> the president's. >> position on foreign policy in general, is. >> there. >> a phrase that the white house has coined? is there a trump doctrine? >> does the president like to. >> talk about this? anyone here in the white house talking about this? and if so, if there is. >> something akin to a trump doctrine. >> how would you define it? >> such a hard hitting question, mike, i always know i can depend on you. america first is what they say their doctrine is. it's a slogan, though it's not a policy agenda. and trump

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>> donald trump weighs whether or not to order strikes on iran. two key cabinet members typically involved in such deliberations reportedly find themselves outside the inner circle. the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense. that's right. fox news staples, tulsi gabbard and pete hegseth. what they lack in terms of experience, they apparently can't make up with maga star power. who would have thought? according to politico, gabbard fell out of trump's good graces after posting a bizarre video earlier this month warning about the threat of global nuclear annihilation. at the time, the video seemed odd and out of place, but the reporting suggests it was actually gabbard's attempts to steer trump away from joining israel and attacking iran, which, according to politico, only made trump incensed. and what about former weekend fox host turned defense secretary pete hegseth? well, look at this quote from an anonymous republican senator who spoke to nbc news about who trump does and doesn't listen to. here it is. quote, pete is a show horse. he's very good on

tv. he's very consistent in his message, and he always mentions the president. but trump is no fool. he knows pete. oof! another u.s. official put it like this in the washington post. nobody is talking to hegseth. there is no interface operationally between hegseth and the white house at all. again, that is the secretary of defense. they are talking about at a time when we could get involved in a new military conflict at literally any moment. warren strobel covers u.s. intelligence for the washington post. he's one of the reporters who broke that story in the post, and he joins me now. warren, it's great to see you. i have to say. i mean, i and i talked to a bunch of my former colleagues today, too, just to say, isn't this weird? this is weird, right? after reading your reporting, it is strange to have these two positions out of the loop during a crisis like this, that where you're just where they're discussing war and peace, and it both are strange. but what particularly sticks out to me, given this is a consideration of bombing iran is the secretary of

defense, pete hegseth, being left out? why, according to your reporting, has he been left out? >> i think because he. >> and tulsi. >> gabbard don't. >> bring a lot to the table. >> and trump, for all his flaws, is not a fool. and, you know, as one of my colleagues. >> at the. >> post. >> put it. very well, these. >> two people you're talking about, we're talking about are good at culture wars. they're not the right people for war wars. and we're in a situation now where there could be a war war. and he's listening to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the commander of u.s. central command, and ratcliffe, the head of the cia, who is actually his main intelligence briefer at this point. >> yeah. you mentioned in your in your piece that joint chiefs of staff general dan kaine is in the loop. you also mentioned, as you just said, that john ratcliffe remains in the loop. the cia director he's included. is that because he, trump sees him as more astute on intelligence, or are there other reasons for that? >> i think it's because. >> ratcliffe is. >> seen as more low key. he's

not a showboat, and this is a time where you really don't need showboats. i should say one thing, though. we're talking about all the advisers. i mean, as you know, jen trump's number one advisor is donald j. trump. and he's going to do what he thinks. he's a he's called himself a stable genius, smarter than his generals. he trusts his gut. and so while it's important who he's listening to, i mean, he's going to make the final decision himself based on a bunch of factors, including some of the political factors you talked to, talked about earlier. >> you mentioned in your story. i mean, and there's been a range of reporting that that the secretary of defense is really not in operational contact, it seems, with, with the white house, which is very strange. i'm just going to just echoes very strange. what is he doing? how are they in touch? what more did you learn through your reporting on this? >> yeah. and i should say. >> a lot. >> of this. >> reporting came from my good colleague alex horton, who covers the pentagon. and we did the story together. we don't want your viewers or our readers to think that hegseth and gabbard aren't in the room.

they've been in the situation room. they've been in many of the meetings, but they're not bringing a lot to the table. and as far as we can tell, the white house is dealing directly with the military commanders in the region, like the general, the head of centcom and general cain. those were the discussions that they're having. and they're going around or over or under. pete hegseth, i think hegseth lost a lot of jam at the white house with the whole signal gate controversy. and as you may remember, there was a series of controversies and chaos with his personnel, his top personnel in his first months at the pentagon. so he's not seen as somebody who's, you know, a solid player, really. >> who could have predicted that? warren strobel, thank you so much for your reporting. thanks for being here with me tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up after that shocking assassination in minnesota over the weekend, the threat of political violence is hanging over elected officials all across the country. and it was hanging over elected officials even before that. minnesota senator tina smith is standing senator tina smith is standing by and she joins me next. (wife) saving for retirement was tough enough.

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pay their respects, including minnesota governor tim walz and his wife, gwen. some people even brought their golden retrievers in honor of the hartmans beloved dog. but lawmakers not just from minnesota but all across the country today are still grappling with the chilling reality of the dangers that now come with a life in public service. the washington post reported that capitol police data shows a major jump in the number of threats against members of congress, their families and staff. over 9000 threats were made in 2024, more than double the number in 2017. just today, congressman max miller, an ohio republican, said he has reported to local police in ohio and to capitol police that a deranged man ran him off the road, threatening him and his family in new york. the nypd is investigating a threat made against mayoral candidate zoran mamdani, in which a man allegedly threatened to bomb mamdani's car. an abc news is reporting that federal authorities are investigating anonymous pizza deliveries sent to the homes of lawmakers across

the country, as well as capitol police leadership, which in this current atmosphere means someone is saying, i know where you live. joining us now is senator tina smith, a democrat from minnesota and a friend and colleague of the late speaker hortman. senator smith. i've been thinking about you all week. and i want to get your thoughts on all of this because there are so many discussions. but first, i just want to say how i know it was a painful and personal week, and my heart and all of our hearts go out to you and the entire delegation. and i wanted to just ask you, what is sitting with you tonight as you reflect on melissa and mark's lives? we showed a bit of the vigil last night. it was really moving. but that and the circumstances around their deaths last weekend. >> oh, jen. >> i. >> so appreciate that. and i mean the outflowing of support. >> and. >> love that has. >> come to the. >> you. >> know, to us and. >> especially to sophie. >> and colin. and to so many people who. >> knew and worked. >> with. >> melissa has really been.

>> giving me a lot of hope in what has been a very, very. dark work week. >> you know, i've. >> been thinking a lot about working with melissa. when i. >> was. first chief of staff. >> for the governor of minnesota, and she was rising in leadership in the democratic caucus. and i'm sure you can relate to this. when you're in the middle of a tough negotiation, you're trying to figure out how. >> to get something done. she was. >> the one you. >> wanted in the room. >> she brought. >> this. >> like sense of humor. >> this ability to. >> focus on what. was important. she always was. >> on top of what. >> the issues were. >> and she had this. capacity to, like. understand the people. >> in the room, republicans and. >> democrats, and then bring it all together, which is exactly what i think people really want. >> to see in. >> their public servants. and so her. >> loss. >> this tragic. >> killing is. >> still really hard. >> for me to process. to tell you the truth. >> of course it is. and that is a super power. what you just described. it is absolutely what every public servant should

aspire to be. it's what she sounds like. she was even before this horrific political assassination. you are somebody who has been vocal about the rise in political violence, that the challenges of the rhetoric coming from trump and the administration and some of his followers as a driver and you and so many others have called for it to stop. and you hope i hope we all hope that in moments like this, it does stop that people reflect, but it's not. what else can be done? what do you wish people would understand about the impact of some of this rhetoric, given the rising political violence? well, i. >> think first, deciding. >> that you want to serve, that you want. >> to be an elected. >> official, that you want to serve as a city council member or school board or. state representative, as these individuals were, or in the united states senate, any place it should not be. also, signing up to put your life at risk. and i really think that our country is. >> is at a. tipping point right

now. >> are we going to tip forward into more. >> chaos and. >> more cruelty. >> and more violence? >> are we going to all. >> take a step back? >> and i think it's important also to. understand that we're not at a moment where. >> this is a both sides situation. i mean. >> the rhetoric, the violent. rhetoric that is coming from the extreme right wing and the violence that ensues. >> from. that is. >> something that we. >> have to. >> recognize, and. we need our. >> colleagues and the. >> people that we. >> work with on both, on both sides of the aisle, but especially our republican. >> colleagues. >> to stand up. >> and to say, no, this is not who we are. this is not how we do things. we do not believe that violence is a way to resolve our. >> differences, and. >> then. >> to call. >> out when they see it happening in real time. and i think that's what. >> we need in this moment. >> to kind of. >> step back. from the precipice. >> i think that's what everybody would expect would happen. right? no matter what your political background is, who's out there, you know, in the aftermath of this, your

republican colleague mike lee made incredibly offensive comments on social media. you confronted him about it. there were some photos of that. he ultimately took them down. but as far as i know, and you tell me he never apologized to you, which i know it's not just about that. it's about being a part of the solution. but are you satisfied with that? and what do you hope? what do you want your republican colleagues out there to be doing right now that maybe they're not doing at this point, in response to what happened last weekend? so in. >> this incredibly. >> painful moment, rather than like put out a tweet or do what we usually do in washington, which is to talk to one another through some other medium, through some other person, i wanted to speak with him. >> directly and. >> and try to have a conversation about what the impact of his words were. there in words have consequences. what he did was deeply painful to not only me, but to the hauptman. family and the hoffman. >> family, and to the. >> millions of minnesotans who

care about what. >> is. >> happening in our. >> world right now. >> he did not apologize. he he listened to what i said. but i think what is needed in. >> this moment is. >> a realization. and then that that, as i. >> said, words have consequences. >> and you have to be. >> responsible for what you say. >> and what happens on social media. is a. >> driver for some of this violence. it is not. >> just sort of this. >> sideshow that is. >> unrelated ■to wha happens. >> in the real world. >> i really need my. republican colleagues to. >> to step up, just. >> as i would if, if, if. >> the shoe was on the other foot. and i think. that's what americans want, they don't want to see this. kind of. >> you know, they don't want to see donald trump jr making a joke about paul pelosi being attacked. they don't want to see mike lee making a joke, a horrible and cruel joke. >> about the. >> person who killed melissa. >> hortman, my friend. >> people. >> this is. >> i really do believe and this

is what gives. >> me hope, that this is not what most americans want. >> i hope it's not what most americans want. i think it's so important. as hard as i know it has been, for you to speak out and help people understand what's needed at this moment. and i just want to. i read some of this last night, but i was so struck by your deputy chief of staff wrote a letter to lee's team, and i just wanted to end by reading some of that. he said, you exploited the murder of a lifetime public servant and her husband to post some sick burns about democrats. did you see that as an excellent opportunity to get likes and retweets? have you absolutely no conscience, noecency? i pray to god that none of you go through anything like this. i read that because i want people to understand that's not what it is supposed to be. and you are an example of someone speaking out about how it should not be that i'm so grateful. senator tina smith, thank you for joining us. i'm so sorry that this has been such a difficult week for you as well. >> well, thank you, and thank. >> you for letting me share a little bit about what an incredible person. melissa was. it's i'm really glad to be with. >> you tonight, jen.

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>> okay, that does it for me tonight. now it's time for the last word with catherine rampell, who's in for lawrence o'donnell tonight. hey, catherine, how you doing? >> i'm doing great. how are you? >> good. well, the world is a little bit of. you know, i won't say it on tv, but, yes, we're trying to hang in there and tell all the stories. >> we are all trying to hang in there. thanks, jen, for leading us up for this. >> have a great show. >> thanks. donald trump, the wannabe emperor, has no clothes and the country knows it. and the polls now reflect it. as trump's