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>> giving them a period of time. we're going to see what that period. >> of time is, but i'm. >> giving them a. >> period of time and i would. >> say two weeks would be the maximum. >> welcome back to the weekend primetime. we're coming up on ten days of open war between israel and iran and growing instability in the middle east, and the only thing donald trump seems capable of doing is falling back on his reality tv roots right now. you heard him there on friday talking to our vaughn, bizarrely teasing a two week wait period before deciding whether to join israel in its campaign against iran. you might be wondering why wait two weeks? and it's not clear trump even knows. what is clear is that two weeks seems to be one of trump's favorite periods of time about, well, everything. >> we're going to. >> be sending letters. >> out in. >> about a week and a half, two weeks. >> i can. >> tell you that, but i'll let you know in about two weeks. within two. >> weeks. >> i could. >> answer that. >> question better. in two weeks. >> i'll do this.

>> at some point over. >> the next. >> two weeks. over the next two weeks, i'll tell you about that. in a month from now or two weeks from now. >> do you. >> trust president putin? >> you know. >> in about two. >> weeks you can ask that. >> question in two weeks. and we'll see. it'll be out in about less than two weeks. >> we're going. >> to start selling hopefully in about two weeks. >> two weeks. joining us now, basel democratic strategist, columbia university professor and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. he's also an msnbc political analyst. and cameron caskey, co-host of the bulwarks for you podcast. all right, basel, i'll start with you. so what's this two week thing about? do you think there is a real strategy here? >> well. >> you know, vaughn vaughn's reporting last week about the two weeks is. yes, he frequently uses the two weeks. and he uses that time. you know, to show for the show of a meeting with this person, a meeting with that person. we're having talks, we're negotiating, they're capitulating. you know, he fills

that time with with the sort of bravado in saying, i'm getting these people to come to me to heal. but we know that that doesn't really happen. not in certainly not in the ways that he predicts. and one of the things that is that is somewhat concerning in this time, whether it's a week to two weeks or even longer, is that there are real divisions within his party. right? the maga folks are isolationists by by nature. and we have some serious hawks also in the republican party. and if you're not even trusting tulsi gabbard, who has a serious position to be able to advise you on these issues, it's a it's a point where i don't think americans really, even more so than usual, have a sense of where this president's going. and all while the most, i think, significant military package since 2012 is being sent to the middle east right now. so it's a really dangerous time. but but this, this two week period seems not only arbitrary, but it does

also signal a period of real concern about, you know, not knowing where this president's head is. >> so that's interesting because my interpretation of when donald trump says two weeks is he thinks that's how long it will take for the news cycle to move on and for people to forget about this issue in the same way that he's offered a two week time frame. >> world war three. >> well, this is the problem, right? it's like he was going to have his obamacare repeal bill ready in two weeks. he was going to explain melania's immigration spotted record in two weeks, and then none of that stuff came to fruition. so that's how i read what's going on. i mean, whether or not people are willing to move on from. the from the prospect of world war three, i think is a different issue. yeah. >> i think it's different what i'm saying. i, you. >> know, i think he uses that time to fill, right, to fill people's heads with wherever he wants people to see him negotiate from in this moment, like i want, i'm going to lead. i'm going to bring them to the

table. i will settle this already. right. and then and then at some point it will come to some fruition and some conclusion, likely without his, without his expertise put making it actually happen, or creating any coalitions that are substantial here. so yeah, no, i think i think it was an interesting thing. it's a it's a period of time where he tends to figure out what he's going to do and find a way to sort of move the country into something else. >> so 60% of americans do not support american military action in iran. this is according to an economist yougov poll. they don't want to be involved in the war between israel and iran. 16% support u.s. military action, 24% are unsure. i'm not going to ask whether polls like that influence the president. they might, i don't know, but it dismays me that the conversation about whether or not we should go to war is happening on the republican side with the extreme right, who i have no sympathy for. yet they are the ones making sane, rational arguments, humanizing iran, providing

nuance, context, asking the right questions, and the democratic leadership is nowhere to be found. >> we saw tucker carlson, of all people, go harder on ted cruz on this issue than a lot of people in the media. there's something that maga world likes to pretend all the time, which is that trump's got some plan. and we know nine times out of ten trump does not have a plan. one time out of ten, bad plan. but i think we know who does have a plan right now. benjamin netanyahu benjamin netanyahu has a plan. as a matter of fact, bill clinton, who was president before i was born, said mr. netanyahu has. >> long called astray their. >> mr. netanyahu has long wanted to fight iran because that way he can stay in office forever and ever. those are the words, mr. bill clinton, i don't think trump has a plan. i think that he is doing his two week shtick like he always does. but bibi netanyahu has got a plan. and i'll tell you, when it comes to escalating, he's not going to wait two weeks. >> amen. i'm curious about your

your perspective on this, too. you've covered this region. you know these players well. do you think that over the course of the next two weeks, trump is just going to be kind of dog walked by netanyahu? >> yes. >> i think. >> i think that the israeli prime minister has been dog walking american presidents for a very long time. he undercut president obama's jcpoa. he totally ran circles around president biden in the gaza war. and whether or not you believe that donald trump actually knew about israel's plans to strike iran, the president is on the record telling the american people, i did not want israel to do this. so if you take a step back, the american president has acknowledged one of two things. either he lied to the american people when he came out the day before or the day two days before and said, i don't want israel to attack iran. i don't think that's a good idea. we want to give diplomacy a chance. he campaigned on that. he said he doesn't want to start another war, or he was in on it with netanyahu and was lying to the american people, or he was being dog walked by netanyahu, meaning

he did not know. netanyahu doesn't respect him. he knows that he can launch this war and drag america with him into this war, and certainly drag president trump with him into this war. and in either way, it makes the american president look really, really bad. either he's being dog walked by netanyahu or he lied to the american people. and i think to cameron's point, there's a very good chance it's going to happen again. he's given us a two week period. who knows what netanyahu is trying to do right now to force president trump's hand? >> well, and trump has said repeatedly, one of his big bragging points is that he doesn't he didn't get us into any wars in his first term. he won't get us into any further wars. he's already deeply underwater on basically all of his domestic issues immigration, inflation, generally, the economy, the handling of the la protests. americans are not happy with how he's handled the domestic, the domestic agenda. what do you think? like what's the what's the upside for him on

on escalating outside of the united states? >> i don't. >> know that there's an upside at all. i mean, this is and this goes back to amy's question before, and this is where i think, you know, a lot of democrats are saying we need to take a stand here, right? as a party. we need to take a stand. and you have some democrats saying we need to be fully we need to be fully against this war and come out and use that as a point where we bring the country together, because who's asking for this? who wants this? and to the point. the atlantic had a good article about this because they were talking about making a comparison to reagan's invasion of grenada well before you were born. >> reagan's invasion. >> of grenada. and it was it. was it was not sanctioned. it was quick. very, very few casualties, if any, and didn't cost much. this will cost a tremendous amount of money. and a week thinking that congress is actually going to engage in an appropriation to make this happen. >> i think you bring up such an important point that i just want

to add to real quickly, which is democrats right now can literally put aside what they feel about iran and whether iran and no one is here justifying or defending iran's actions, but they can at least stand up for the rule of law in this country and say the president cannot start a war without the approval of congress and laser focus the conversation on saying, do not start a war without the approval of congress. and yet they've they seem to have completely abandoned that principle and say, well, he should. >> congress has abandoned that principle for decades. >> right. but but we're talking about the politics of what the democratic leadership should be doing instead of americans looking at tucker carlson, skewering ted cruz or steve bannon and saying, wow, i can't believe these are the people who are saying, hey, let's have a minute. let's have this conversation that should be coming out of the senior leadership of the democratic party, front and center, say, we can talk about iran, but this president cannot drop a 30,000 pound bomb on our country, lead us into a war, drag the entire region into it without the approval of the american congress. >> and its message discipline.

no kings, right? no kings can't do this without us. you need congress. >> i like no oligarchs more than i like no kings. i think the democratic party keeps getting served issues we can win on on a silver platter and just kind of turning them away. if we were staunchly antiwar boom, skyrocketing popularity, if we really, really took it to the oligarchy, skyrocketing popularity. >> but the problem is they're not anti-war and they're not anti oligarchy. and that's the problem we have with the democratic party. >> and they're like, why won't your generation vote for us? well. >> bernie had thousands of people in deep red south texas at a rally last night though. >> all right guys we're going to have to take a quick pause. up next, we're going to have an endorsement from a south carolina kingmaker, jim clyburn. you know who he endorsed, right? >> mr. andrew cuomo. >> thank you sir. new york city mayor's race. we're going to talk about that next. >> gary used car shopping can't hurt you. but what if i overpay?

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>> all right. democrats agree they need to take on donald trump, but they can't seem to agree on their own future. and that bitter divide is playing out right here in new york city in the race for mayor. three days from the primary election. up and comers are on. mamdani has emerged as a favorite of the progressive wing of the democratic party, winning an endorsement from congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez as well as senator bernie sanders. meanwhile, former new york governor andrew cuomo has the backing of more democrats, despite resigning his governorship back in 2021 under a cloud of sexual harassment allegations. now, you can add south carolina congressman james clyburn to the list of those backing cuomo, clyburn. clyburn said that the mayor of new york is, quote, uniquely positioned to play an important role in the future of the democratic party. here's clyburn earlier on this network, talking to my colleague, reverend al sharpton. >> i've been working in politics and civil rights. almost 70, over 70 years. and so when you

develop these relationships with people over the years, you don't just drop them. i'm just for cuomo. and i've been for him for a long time. >> basil and cameron are back with me. this is actually. and with all due respect, basil, this is like a generational issue. it's great to it's great to have both of you with us. i want to start with you. he, in his endorsement, i want you to give me the big picture of why. first of all, it matters or it doesn't matter. james clyburn endorsement. but second of all, the idea that, you know, you don't drop someone after 70 years. he's been in politics for 70 years, and you don't drop someone, suggests the idea of loyalty to a person as opposed to evaluating the moment in time in what is needed for the party going future. and that's what i had an issue with with that endorsement. >> let me tell you the. >> issue that i have with it. if he talks about andrew cuomo being the future of the democratic party, i will tell you that. >> there are 13 women. >> and an attorney general sitting in the state of new york right now that may beg to differ about whether or not he's really the future of the party. with all due respect, because at this

point, you're seeing exactly why. and i have a lot of respect for jim clyburn, but you're seeing exactly why a lot of young democrats are like, i want nothing to do with this party because we have a big tent. but if you're going to come, if you're going to come from south carolina into new york and make an endorsement and say, i've known this person my whole life. well, there are a lot of other people running for this office that aren't under investigation that you may not have known your whole life, but have actually done some really good work in this city, and you need to actually give them a shot. so when a young democrat i had, i'm fired up because i was talking to young people about this very thing earlier today, that sometimes we need to understand when it's time to step aside. >> yeah. well, so how much do you think this is about actual support for cuomo as opposed to cuomo is the leading candidate? again, you know, among people of color, in particular in new york city, and the best chance to defeat the socialist candidate, like there are a lot of other

people on the ballot, but they're polling in the single digits. well, is it pro or anti? >> well that's a very. >> that's a very good question because i feel that a lot of the support even for eric adams who's not in the primaries running in the general. there weren't there were a lot of people that had issues with eric adams, but they saw him as a firewall against more progressive democrats, progressive governance. and i think there's some of that with andrew cuomo as well. he also talked a lot about quality of life, and we didn't talk about that as a term for a long time, because when giuliani used it, it was a proxy for heavy handed policing, criminalization of the poor and of the homeless. but now it seemed to have come back. so why wonder who's he actually campaigning to? right. and if you think about it, my concern is that there's this sense that the democratic party has a big tent. but my god, we are so good at recycling names and that just when are we going to stop that?

honestly? >> yeah. and in that big tent now we've got maga billionaire bill ackman, bill ackman who is leading the fight against diversity equity inclusion has supported mr. cuomo. and mr. clyburn has joined bill ackman in doing so. i'm very concerned about the crisis we are facing in this country of moral decline. and i think that the democratic party has the opportunity to offer moral clarity to people. but right now, going to women and saying, hey, if you are a survivor, your story doesn't matter to us. your experience doesn't matter to us. we are no longer going to protect you from men like andrew cuomo. well, that's why so many people don't trust the democratic party anymore. there's no moral clarity if someone like andrew cuomo. well, keep in mind the democratic party kicked al franken to the curb. right. al franken, get out of here. mr. cuomo, you know, incredible sexual harassment allegations, suing women for

their genealogical records, only traumatizing them further. and then it's like, oh no, he's he's italian. guys, haven't you met an italian grandpa? it's disgusting. and i think that if the democratic party wants to gain any trust back, people like andrew cuomo need to be seen as a very, very dark thing of the past. >> basil, can i ask you, because some of the dynamic here is specifically about black voters, black leaders. clyburn is a very specific voice coming from south carolina into our city. help me kind of break this down. i think for viewers who may be confused by the alliances here. i think one of the things that's strange for me is you have this affection for people like clyburn because of the leadership that they brought decades ago, the genuine battles they had to fight, the what they represented to black americans as activists themselves. at one point, people who who were not seen as establishment and at the

center of power in the united states, then being able to become a senator, there's an amazing story there. but now it sometimes feels like black voters are being pushed into this place where they're being asked to, like, stick with the status quo. >> never ask for. >> too much, follow any of the kind of out there ideas you might have, dreams you might have about a higher minimum wage. like you, you have to wait. you have to wait. >> you have to. i want to point out, even before clyburn endorsed cuomo, cuomo has been the favored candidate among people of color. but that's true. >> but that's. >> but that's. >> what. >> i. >> want to know. >> why? >> yeah. >> no, i'll tell you. look, it is generational because there's a generation of the of black democrats. and i am part of that in many ways that felt that the democratic party was a path to political and economic empowerment. right. i remember jesse jackson saying, the party needs to be better for people that look like us, which look like me. in 84 and 88 and 89, david dinkins becomes the first black mayor of city of new york,

got an explosion of black elected officials, mayors, members of congress, and latino and women because of jesse's engagement. bill clinton wins, in part because of the rainbow coalition that was used as a platform to get him elected. so the party was that for a lot of people. but my mentor told me something when i got into politics early 90s that every movement becomes an institution. and the people, young people today see the democratic party as an institution that is not as relevant to them as it may have been to me. so now we need a movement. and the question is, where is that movement going to come from and who's going to. i don't know that we need a leader per se right now, but there has to be a movement that brings a sea change. >> can i. >> ask you a question that me and catherine have been kind of having here a little bit on the sidelines throughout this, this mayoral race, and that is whether or not policy matters? i mean, you just said a very important thing, which was that you want a democratic party that speaks about morals. and sometimes i need a gut check because i think, oh, mamdani might be a great candidate. i like his policies. i like his

values, i like his morals, but then his policies are unrealistic. and sometimes he demonstrates perhaps a misunderstanding of how policy works. i'm saying i want to just increase tax revenue, and that's not something a new york city mayor can do, wt matters to you more? do you consider policy and the realism of his policies and whether they're attainable, or the fact that he comes as a clean person with idealistic values of like, i want to try to lift everyone up. >> i mean, this is tough for me because i'm a nerd. so i would say policy. but if i zoom out and think about normal people, i would say that it depends on who you're talking to. i was speaking to somebody who was explaining why we need cuomo and he said, we need cuomo. and i said, oh yeah, what do we need him for? and he was like, we need him. and i said, great. that's a very good point. well. >> people say that he knows how to operate in new york city politics. and new york city politics is its own unique beast. that is. >> a lot of young people have not been to senior citizen homes, so i don't know if that's what they would say. but listen, with mamdani, they see promise

of a future where things can start to work for us. they see a city that's more affordable, and they might not be asking the same policy questions that people from prior generations will ask, because we are seeing right now a democratic party that seems to be more focused on throwing progressives under the bus than it does standing up against maga. so when someone like zoren comes in and says, we are going to fight for a future, i'm going to promise you hope. and then andrew cuomo pulls up and he's like, no, no, no, no, guys, it wasn't sexual harassment. and also don't worry, trust me, everybody, the senior citizens. >> promising people a bunch of things that the mayor cannot deliver, won't that just lead to more disillusionment, like it's hopeful. >> of the stuff that can't be delivered by the mayor? >> okay, he can't raise the corporate tax rate. he can't raise the tax rate on higher income people. he can't make busses free. all of that's controlled by albany. those are core. those are core promises on his campaign. >> interesting point, because let's say andrew cuomo does become mayor, what's his

relationship going to be like with the sitting governor that replaced him and the state legislature that that had a horrible working relationship with him in the first place. so these are these are the things that we should be talking about. and going to your point earlier, because i think it's an important one i need to talk about, because if. >> you're saying i'm being told i gotta wrap, because. >> if you're saying the biggest concern i have is because if you're going to look away from the issue that caused them to resign in the first place with respect to women and me too, is he going to do this for black people? >> right. >> in a similar movement. and that's the. >> attack on the. >> me too. >> that's my that's my concern. >> don't disagree with any of that. no. cameron kasky, thank you so much, basil. you're sticking with us, i believe, because next, we want to talk about all of the ways that trump's cruel immigration policies are costing americans, not just immigrants. this is the not just immigrants. this is the weekend prime time. if you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life

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uncared for, and medical trials remain uncompleted. joining us now, ellora mukherjee, director of the immigrants rights clinic at columbia law school in basel, is still with us. laura, thanks for coming back. >> thanks for having me. >> donald trump is a businessman, right? that was his whole shtick when he ran for president multiple times. what doesn't he get about the contributions that immigrants make to this economy? >> immigrants are. >> embedded in. >> every aspect of america's economy, from the farms. >> to. >> the leisure business to the factories. everything in america, from child. >> care to daily workers. >> in our. >> neighborhoods. >> relies on immigrant labor. if, as donald trump promises to do, he continues to target hundreds, thousands of undocumented immigrants. and the raids are obviously targeting documented immigrants and

catching us citizens up in the. >> mix as well. >> it will be devastating. >> for america's economy. food prices will rise, the price of goods will rise, and we will all suffer the consequences. >> did you get a sense of why he's doing it? if he is such a businessman in the op ed. >> i think we have shadow president stephen miller, who's in charge of everything. trump is presumably on board with handing over the reins to stephen miller. but stephen miller just hates immigrants, and he doesn't care if we're talking about people who are documented, people who are undocumented. as we've talked about on this show, a lot of what the administration has done has been stripping documented immigrants of their documentation, basically rendering people illegal so that they can be kicked out of this country. so donald trump, you know, he's gotten lobbied by by farmers, as he has mentioned, by hoteliers, by other people in industry, privately, they don't want to say anything publicly. and he says, oh yeah, that that

sounds great, but then does nothing because talk is cheap. and stephen miller again is running the show. >> i think people are have been, of course, watching the scenes out of la, and they have an understanding now of the traumatic and sort of psychological impact and now economic impact to you understand new york politics very well. and the conditions here, if what we're seeing there comes to new york, the sort of aggressive immigration enforcement actions which are already happening here but seem likely to expand once the administration sort of has the bandwidth to turn its attention away from the west coast. what would happen to the fabric of this city, the fabric of this state? >> well, i would. >> tell you, i mean, donald trump's already suggested that i should go and target new york, even even more significantly, the chair of the hispanic caucus, congressmember adriano espaillat, spoke here a couple of weeks ago. i'm in his

district, and he was talking about how he sees already that so many stores, supermarkets, the streets just don't have the kind of life that he is used to seeing because there are people that are so concerned. it really does. and i see it. it really does go to, as you were pointing out, the real fabric, not just of the city, but of the country. we are a nation of immigrants. my, i'm a first generation american. and, you know, i think about this, the sacrifices my parents make and so many other families have made so that their kids could contribute, you know, on a stage like this. and so i think it really it has a chilling effect because it does impact businesses. it impacts the sort of street life of a of a city of urban areas, but also of rural communities as well. and, and it really is a matter of who is in the president's ear. last, in terms of what actual policy comes out of this? i don't understand, but half of africa apparently is banned from

coming into the united states, as is a portion of the caribbean. >> well, even even though it is in our strategic interest, you know, forget about humanitarian concerns, what's moral, all of that things that we should care about. but it is in our interest to get many of these countries that are part of the travel ban or being considered on side, because we have this growing rivalry with china, right? and a lot of these countries are kind of caught in the middle of this rivalry, and instead we're telling them, like, we don't want you here. your people are not welcome on our soil. >> so i was going to ask you about that, which is the immigration policy seem to be coming more and more draconian. we're expecting we're expecting a travel ban to include dozens of more countries. interestingly enough, egypt being one of them, a close american ally, at least they pretend to be a close american ally. and certainly the us considers them to be a close american ally. they're going to be on the travel ban as well. african countries are going to be on the travel ban. but also we're seeing just this increase in more draconian measures,

students potentially coming into this country, having their social media scanned for potential anti american sentiment. quite scary when you think about where this is still going. it hasn't peaked yet. >> it has not peaked at all. every segment of lawful and unlawful immigrants are being targeted right now. immigrants who have entered the country lawfully, who are trying to do everything right, who are showing up in immigration courts across the country to meet their obligations, are being targeted and arrested and detained even. >> when they. >> have no criminal record and have literally done nothing wrong. i am currently representing children who are as young as six. >> years. >> old, who entered the. country lawfully, went to their immigration court hearings, were detained and arrested there, and have now been in immigration prison. for weeks. this administration. now seems. >> like. >> why not spare anyone? >> why would a six year old? how can a six year old who is here

lawfully be caught up in this? >> what happens? >> immigration court hearings. now, unfortunately, every day is when immigrants are going to their immigration court hearings. the department of homeland security lawyer is saying. let's dismiss your case. and the immigration judges are granting that motion. it's a coordinated strategy between the department of homeland security and the immigration courts to dismiss immigration cases. and then ice is waiting in the immigration court hallways. and as soon as immigrant families, immigrant individuals step out of the courtrooms, they are getting arrested. >> and detained. can you explain what it means to dismiss an immigration case, and why that makes people more vulnerable to ice arrest? i think there's a lot of confusion about this, right? >> so when. >> people have. pending immigration. >> court cases, they are able to seek the forms of humanitarian relief and other immigration relief that they're entitled to. for example, they can apply for asylum or withholding of removal

or make a claim that they would be tortured in their home country. they can seek something called cancellation of removal for people who've been in the country for a long time, saying that there are equities that should allow them to stay in the country, and an immigration judge should be able to decide the underlying case. but when the case gets dismissed, they become vulnerable to deportation. immediate, expedited deportation from the united states. so that's what the trump administration is doing, are trying to target people who are doing everything right. >> heartbreak. >> well, thank. >> you. >> for the work. >> that you do. >> for children. i'm for all of these communities, but for children in particular, who sometimes do not have any legal support or advice in the process. basil. laura, thank you so much for being here with us tonight. thank you guys. >> thank you for having me. >> up next, the conservative supreme court deals a major blow to the health care rights of to the health care rights of young people in for the professional, it's not enough to possess knowledge.

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>> the right wing assault on bodily autonomy continues. this time the target is transgender people, and the attacker is the hyper conservative supreme court. the court this week ruled to uphold tennessee's ban on gender affirming care for transgender minors. it's the state's latest assault on trans rights. this year alone, tennessee republicans added new rules to police bathrooms and added a law protecting teachers who purposefully misgender students. joining us now is eli givens, the williamson county organizer for tennessee equality project. they testified against the ban. eli, help us draw a line from the supreme court's decision to tennessee's broader campaign against transgender people right now. >> yeah, i mean, many people are just getting involved with this issue out of the supreme court decision. but we have. >> been fighting. >> these. >> bills for a very. >> very long time. >> whether it's. >> flag bills, pronoun. >> bills.

>> blocking teachers. >> from using chosen names and pronouns, there have been many bills that. >> have come out of tennessee. >> and the supreme. >> court is just. essentially empowering. >> tennessee to continue with. >> this legislation. >> eli, can you speak a bit to your personal experience and what it's going to mean for children growing up in your home state now that this ban is firmly in place? >> yeah, i remember even when i got gender affirming. >> healthcare when. >> i was 17. in 2022. >> it was. >> absolutely lifesaving. it was like a light. >> kind of switched on for me. >> and i. had almost. >> a. >> new lease. >> on life. >> and so like seeing. >> a lot. >> of the misinformation and. >> the demonization. >> of. >> this healthcare. >> is just really disappointing. >> but again, it's not surprising. >> how different do you think your life would be today if you had not had access to that care

when you were 17? >> yeah. >> i have. >> struggled with my mental. >> health. >> for a long time. it's been a personal battle for sure, but i know that gender affirming healthcare gave me something to look forward. >> to. >> and it gave me a future. >> to. work towards. >> and when i've talked to trans kids and their. >> families. >> there's just a lot. >> of fear. >> around their children's lives. and so we're seeing this being affected across the country. but when i have talked to. >> people. in tennessee, there's. >> just a lot of fear that their children won't wake up the next. >> morning and will not have. >> a fulfilling future. >> eli, where do you see the fight for trans equality or trans rights? growing, growing and going from here? i mean, obviously, this is a setback for those who are fighting for health care for trans children, but where do you see it going next? >> yeah, i mean, we have seen a lot of different attacks. we saw

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>> all right. welcome back, everyone. we have some breaking news that we want to bring to you right now. it was something that we had been anticipating over the course of the last several days, because the president of the united states has signaled it. we now have a statement from the president of united states that, in fact, the united states has bombed iran. i want to read for you what president trump posted on truth social just minutes ago, saying, we have completed our very successful attack on three nuclear sites in iran, including fordow, natanz and esfahan. all planes are now outside of iranian airspace. a full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site, fordow. all planes are safely on their way home. congratulations to our great american warriors. there is not another military in the world that could have done this. now is the time for peace. thank you for your attention to this matter. so the president of united states, confirming that the united states air force has, in fact, now targeted and

attacked iran, specifically, three nuclear sites, including the one that is considered the most secure, one that is under a deep mountain in fordow called the fordow nuclear plant, as well as natanz and isfahan. this was something that the united states had signaled over the course of the past several days as a possibility, certainly something that the israeli government and the administration of prime minister benjamin netanyahu had asked the united states to do, because over the course of the last week, the israelis have been carrying out airstrikes against infrastructure, military bases, command and control structures, as well as nuclear sites. but there were a handful of locations that the israeli military could not have destroyed. they were asking the united states to deploy what is believed to be these b-2 bunker busting bombs, each one about 30,000 pounds, that could penetrate deep into a mountainside to destroy this location. and the president of united states had signaled that that was a possibility, that he

was signaling it. he said that he was going to make that decision within two weeks. it's clear that we have not made it to two weeks. this was just a few days ago. and this evening we have confirmation that he has now, in fact, destroyed, or at least we don't know the assessment, the battlefield assessment of whether or not they were destroyed. but the fact that the us has carried out these strikes and that u.s. airplanes are now outside of iranian airspace. of course, the big question tonight is going to be what will iran's response be? >> well, i was going to ask you, why was american assistance necessary to bomb this particular site? why is it that the israelis couldn't do it on their own? so they wanted to. >> the ability of the united states to destroy a location deeply burrowed into the mountains requires very specific types of ordnance. and in fact, there is this one ordnance that the united states has sometimes referred to as the mother of all bombs, the moab that is only within the possession of the united states air force, both in terms of the planes that can deliver it and the ability to

actually make it. the israelis don't have it. no other country has it. and so the israelis were not able to get to that location to destroy it, and had been asking the americans to deploy b-2 bombers in order to do that. now, we over the course of the last several days, had seen evidence or suggestion that the us was preparing for that, certainly considering it because these b-2 bombers were deployed into the region, certainly deployed into guam. and from there they could make it to iran. but we also knew that there were aircraft carriers that were deployed into that. i'm not a military expert, but just from covering this over the course of the last several years in order to deploy these types of stealth bombers. there are also other factors that are deployed other airplanes, fighter jets that are deployed to provide security and certainly protection to those bombers in iranian airspace. granted, the israelis had already taken a lot of those air defense systems out over the course of the last several months, not just in this particular bombing that started last friday, but over the course of last several months, they were able to degrade, if not

completely destroy, iranian air defense systems. but there was also that anticipation because the us had deployed aircraft carriers into the persian gulf and nearby, that something was on the horizon. you know, i'd spoken to having spoken to military officials over the years about this. there was a lot of concern that if the united states did, in fact bomb iran, there would be an american base in the region, whether it be in iraq or central command in qatar or elsewhere, that would be susceptible to iranian retaliation. and so having the aircraft carriers there provide extra layers of security for what the united states carried out tonight, and certainly american bases and american personnel in the region. >> we have new reporting from our colleague kristen welker, the moderator of meet the press, she wrote when asked for a response to president trump's announcement that iran's nuclear sites were attacked. senator graham, that's lindsey graham, said. good. and when asked what happens next, he said, be ready.

senator graham, long proponent of this action, is going to appear with her this weekend. what's your reaction to this, and what do you think this means for american service members who are in the region? >> so i think there's a few things to unpack here. one, the debate that was taking place in this country among the maga base. we now know who won, and we know that it was the hawks within the maga world. donald trump ran on the promise of not starting another war. it is safe to say, if the iranians are true to their word, which they have been with, the way they responded against israel, not just over the last week, but over the last several months when they were attacked. they have responded. they had made very clear that they had seen america's role in israel's aggression over the last week as complicit. and they were very clear that if the united states went further and attacked iran directly, they would respond in kind to american bases and elsewhere in the region. so my immediate concern is obviously

the safety and the well-being of american personnel that are in the region. our allies in the region where many of these american bases are qatar, bahrain, the united arab emirates and elsewhere, iraq as well. but also the fact that the president of the united states now, you can definitively say, has started a new front in this war, something he campaigned. he was not going to do, something that he said he was going to be a dealmaker. he has not achieved a deal with iran to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons, or certainly preventing it from enriching uranium. he has now opted for the military option to destroy iranian facilities. so on one hand, you've got the internal politics of what has happened in this country, a president who has now instigated and potentially launched a full blown war with iran without the authorization of congress, and at the same time putting the lives of american service members and personnel in danger, as well as the promise that he made to the american people to

be a peacemaker and certainly not start any wars. all of that now. >> well, he he even says in his social media post, now is the time for peace. >> yeah. the idea that the iranians are going to negotiate now that their entire nuclear infrastructure has been destroyed by the israelis and the americans, quite frankly, there is nothing left to negotiate except regime survivability. and so the question now becomes, is this going to expand beyond the destruction of iran's nuclear facilities? if the united states and all we have right now is this tweet by the president of united states or this truth social, i should say we don't have a battlefield assessment yet. we don't know what the iranians may have or may not may have done to prevent the complete destruction of its nuclear infrastructure. but what we do know is that iran has signaled that it would respond. and i just want to take a quick minute here to kind of reset to our viewers what is happening. it is 8 p.m.