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tensions flare between israel and iran, where the conflict stands at this hour. with unease and uncertainty on both sides. president trump is about to arrive in the netherlands hours after accusing both countries of violating the truce. what impact will world leaders have on tensions during the nato summit? plus, how are people here at home feeling about the unfolding iran-israel conflict and the role of the u.s? we have reaction from iranian jewish americans and a new escalation in the war in gaza. palestinian health authorities say israel opened fire on hundreds of people who were waiting for aid trucks. the associated press now says at least 44 were killed based on hospital and witness reports. the latest on that ongoing conflict. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start in israel, where the skies remain quiet for the first time in nearly two weeks. nbc's matt bradley is there. matt, do you have a sense have you had a

chance to talk to folks there, how they feel? do they think there's a chance this war with iran is over? >> yeah, i can tell you what people in the halls of power here in israel are thinking, and that is that it's exactly right that it's over, that this has been a massive success. they were just totally beside themselves with joy at how this has all gone. but there was a lot of concern about president trump's comments this morning, really scolding israel alongside iran. and i heard from people who are familiar with the conversations here in israel that people were shocked and embarrassed by president trump's very harsh rebuke. he spoke more on air force one on his way to the netherlands. here was what president trump said today. >> for more on make any. commitments yesterday about uranium enrichment. about uranium enrichment. >> and they're not. >> going to have enrichment and they're not going to have a nuclear weapon. and they know that. >> do you. >> want to see.

>> regime change in iran? >> no. >> if there was, there was. but no, i don't want to i'd like to see everything calm down as quickly as possible. regime change takes chaos, and ideally, we don't want to see so much chaos. >> now. this cease fire has been rocky, to put it mildly. this morning there was here in tel aviv, not one, not two, but three air raid sirens that sent everybody here scurrying into bomb shelters. and there was an impact. four people were killed when a missile struck an apartment building in the southern israeli city of beersheba. so this just goes to show that these sorts of cease fires are not without incident. but now, well, more than 12 hours into this first taking effect with the iranian side and now with the israelis reportedly on board, as they said earlier this morning, it looks as though this is going to hold. and as i said, it looks as though the people who are in the halls of power here really believe that this is it. and even though they

haven't necessarily determined yet whether they've reached their main goal of destroying iran's nuclear weapons program, they believe that this deal that was helped along by donald trump and the qataris, is going to end this conflict, and that it's adequate for the demands that israel has. >> matt bradley, thank you for that. hours after declaring that ceasefire, president trump is about to arrive at the nato summit. nbc's garrett haake is reporting from the netherlands. what impact could the israel-iran conflict have on this summit? has it completely taken over every conversation is sort of. >> international diplomacy. >> i would say not chris. actually, i think it will be a topic, but not the topic now that this cease fire agreement has been reached, remember, there were some european leaders who were involved in negotiations with iran to try to get them back to the negotiating table before the u.s. strikes late last week. so europe was a player in this. but for nato, there's other business to attend to. the president alluded to that in a truth social post from air force one, saying he was

looking forward after the drama from this past week to meeting with european leaders here. and it's easy to see why when you get a look inside his phone at his text messages, one of which he shared from mark rutte, who's the secretary general of nato, praising the president's action on iran, calling it decisive and extraordinary, a huge victory and saying there'll be another victory awaiting the president when he arrives here in the netherlands. and that's a longstanding goal of president trump's to increase europe, in particular, share of spending in its own defense. remember, in nato right now, the target is for countries to spend 2% of their gdp on defense. nato is expected to announce at this summit that they're upping that goal to 5%. the secretary general says he's gotten every country on board. the outlier to that had been spain, who's publicly said they didn't want to spend that much. but this has been sort of a hobby horse issue for president trump in the entirety of his political career, and will no doubt be warmly greeted by him when he arrives in the country shortly. >> garrett haake, thank you so

much for that. now, here at home, iranian americans are reacting to iran's strikes. nbc's erin mclaughlin is reporting on it. i know you've been speaking to iranian jewish new yorkers. what are they telling you? >> hey there chris. >> well, i have been speaking to iranian. >> americans. >> and they tell me they are overwhelmed with emotion right now, the emotion. primarily being fear and anxiety. they are extremely concerned for family members still in iran, the possibility that the bombings could resume, that their family members innocent lives there in iran could become collateral damage as. >> a result. >> they also tell me they're extremely concerned, still about the possibility of reprisal attacks here in the united states. now, separately, we also traveled. to a community about 40 minutes. outside of new york city in great neck, a community of some 20,000 jewish community of 20,000 strong. many of that community also from iran. we had a conversation with a man who

wanted to be identified. as johnny. his sister was on the phone from tel aviv at the time. of the interview. they also had very strong reactions. take a listen. >> we identify as jewish. >> first and foremost, and i think. >> like that's. >> what's most important. >> to us. >> and the sovereignty of the state of israel is more important than anything else. and the safety of the people there. and my sister, who's there right. >> now. >> honestly, i'd be willing to bear a few more weeks of this if i if i could believe that they would have a regime change and a better chance for a future, because in the end, it's better for the whole world. >> now, johnny was born in the united states, but his parents were born in iran. they cannot return, in their view, to iran for fear of persecution. and their hope is that the regime will fall and that will change. they'll be able to go home. but the question, of course, becomes. at what price? >> especially with.

>> his sister there in israel. chris. yeah. erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. meantime, in gaza, new reports that at least 44 people are dead, shot while waiting for aid in gaza. international correspondent hala gorani is in london with the story. what are you hearing? and i wonder if israel has had any response to these accusations. >> well, chris, we've been for several weeks now monitoring. >> the deaths. >> that these aid. >> distribution sites. >> in gaza. there are only a handful. >> the un was. >> operating before. >> the war. hundreds of distribution points. and critics of the. >> system called the gaza. >> humanitarian foundation say essentially, this is forcing people to sometimes walk for hours to get to distribution sites where there is overcrowding. >> where people are. >> and you can see from these images here having to fight their way through crowds. now, the israeli military says they've acknowledged their involvement in some of these incidents. they've said they've had to fire warning shots, but others say on the ground, including hospital sources, that

they are receiving casualties and patients who've been shot, who've been killed, hundreds wounded. according to the un, over 400 people killed while trying to get desperately needed aid. the spokesperson of the u.n. human rights office had this to say about what ordinary gazans are having to go through just to get enough to eat. >> desperate. >> hungry people in gaza continue to face the inhumane choice of either starving to death. or risk being killed while. trying to get food. the israeli military must stop shooting at people trying to get food. >> well over 400 people, according to the un, have been killed since this, the gaza humanitarian foundation was set up and critics humanitarians have been saying from the beginning that this is not how you distribute aid. you cannot have a party to the conflict.

control the flow of food. since the beginning of the month of march, israel has essentially blocked almost all aid from going into the gaza strip until this humanitarian foundation was set up. and as we've been covering and discussing, it is really doing very little to alleviate the extreme need that people have across the strip for food and basic supplies. chris. >> hala gorani, thank you. in 90s what the standoff with iran means for the ayatollah netanyahu and trump, and the netanyahu and trump, and the lasting impact on here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! always dry scoop before you run. listen to me, the hot dog diet got me shredded. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health.

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big picture, what are the stakes of this cease fire holding right now? >> well that's right. >> i mean, i think you saw. >> president trump's. very overheated. >> outburst this. >> morning dropping. >> the f. >> bomb on. >> live tv. why did. >> he do that? you know, he clearly understands that the stakes are enormous for his credibility. not only in the region, but as he heads to. a crucial summit meeting with. >> all of. >> the us's nato allies in europe. this is a moment where trump's decisions are being tested. >> also in. >> questioned unusually by many within his own political coalition. so i feel like, you know, the frayed nerves are representation of how very high the stakes are right now. so that's number one. number two, of course, is beware the initial overheated claim. some of what we're hearing right now from trump's defenders is, you know, really remarkable considering we actually don't really know yet the results of these strikes. and they could lead to let's

hope. >> they. >> do lead to a better outcome, an outcome with iran no longer meaningfully able to pursue its nuclear program. but it could also lead to iran doubling down on its nuclear program. so i just feel like the stakes are enormous, but the results are not yet clear. >> yeah. congresswoman, let me start with benjamin netanyahu. he's been a constant presence in israeli politics since the 90s. and i think certainly when you were on the intel committee and homeland security intel committee, he was around. so what are you watching for from him and how he'll impact the future of the region? well, he's an. >> amazing survivor. some claim that this invasion timing of iran was his way to avoid a no confidence vote. and i think. that may be true. he was going to face an election soon, which some thought he would lose. now nationalism is rising in israel and people are congratulating him. but this is very fragile. susan is right. and i'm i'm on

the more pessimistic side. negotiating is fine. president trump, however, this morning used the f bomb. and negotiating is not a four letter word. in order to have this come out in a in a way that satisfies both sides and the u.s. so that the fighting stays stopped is going to be very tricky because the objectives are different. the iranians don't want to give up their nuclear capability. they have the know how. i think they still have a lot of the materials. and conversely, that's israel's bottom line demand and trump's. so how do you get to half of that or two thirds of that. so i'm i'm, i'm watching carefully. but i don't think yet that the answer is clear. and i think that bibi netanyahu dodged a bullet. but there may be more bullets. not literally, but maybe even i hope not in his future. because if he doesn't pull this off and if he if allegedly, he's shooting people in gaza and all these

other problems are still are still there and the hostages don't come home, the remaining ones who are alive, it's a huge problem. >> susan, let's talk about another unclear answer. okay, so we know that in iran, the ayatollah, who is 86, has gone into hiding with his family. the regime change question is being argued. for some, it's a question of whether he's taken out by political forces or assassination. reports are he's had a three man committee working on his potential replacement. what are the chances that he survives this conflict? and if he does not, that something better would be put in his place? well, first. >> of all, look. >> when you have an 86 year old leader and a very opposite of opaque, sorry, a very opaque regime inside iran, the answer is, is that we don't know an awful lot, but remember that the outcome here is not just either the status quo or some kind of liberal democracy that

materializes. and unfortunately, the story of the last few decades in, in world politics is that many times the turnover in power leads to a potentially an even worse outcome, not only chaos and instability being a possibility when a government that has that has essentially run around since 1979. if that were to fall, it's very possible that the people with the money and guns, to be blunt, in that society, may acquire more power in the short term. i think there are reliable reports. you look at the some of the commentary from my friend, the excellent karim sadjadpour from the carnegie endowment, and he is pointed out, i think, very correctly, that in the short term, the voices of the people who were urging negotiations with donald trump and with the west are undercut by this war that netanyahu has launched and trump's decision to join in on it. so in the short term at least, it's very likely to me that the moderates may be undercut inside the iranian

government circles and that the hardliners, at least for now, might emerge with somewhat more power. but again, you know, that's part of what makes engaging in a war so very unpredictable. we don't know right now if it's a great triumph or not. >> yeah. and congresswoman, let me go back to something susan said earlier, which is the final battle. damage assessment is still not finished. we don't know what iran's capabilities are. how much of the outcome of all of this do you think may ultimately be, if not decided, heavily influenced by that intelligence and how it informs all three leaders and i guess potentially impacts them politically? >> well, let's start with the fact that obliterated, which was the word that the secretary of defense and president trump used, is not a military term. and for sure, everything was not obliterated. the iranians continue to possess the know how. and there are reports that private commercial satellites took pictures of what seemed to

be seem to be allegedly, some of the material taken out of fordo three days ahead, and then some mud put in the entrance to fordo. so this was telegraphed in obvious ways. and the iranians are smart cookies and they are prepared. but in addition to that, there may be other facilities that we don't know about. they're certainly it's not just highly enriched uranium that we care about. we also care about the machinery to make bombs that could be somewhere else. it also could be gettable from rogue states like north korea. north korea is teaching iran that if you have nukes, you survive. let's remember, ukraine gave up its nukes in 1994, in exchange for a promise from the russians and others to respect its sovereignty and look where it is. so i think we have to assume that it ain't over till it's over, and it probably ain't over in terms of ukraine, iran possessing the capability to

break out nuclear bomb. >> and charlie, of course, the third leader, but arguably the most influential in all this, president trump, his involvement in iran comes in direct opposition to his long stated america first agenda. and, of course, what he campaigned on. >> and i was the only president in decades who didn't start a war and said, i got us out of wars and endless wars. i will put america first every single time, every single day. you don't want to have wars. i ended wars, i call it america first. this is the policy that built this country, and this is the policy that will save our country. they said he will start a war. i'm not going to start a war. i'm going to stop wars. >> his supporters will argue that that's exactly what he just did was stop a war. is america first dead? is maga reimagined? how do you see all this?

>> well, maggie. >> is. >> is donald trump. >> and i think we're seeing. >> that playing out in real time. that in fact, they are lining up behind him. >> but, you know, donald trump. >> you know, has been railing against these endless wars for decades. what he's hoping for is this is one and done right. >> you could. >> see that with the tension and the stress this morning when he's dropping the f bombs. but the problem with the middle east is. that none of these problems are easily solved, you know. and the discussion has been excellent so far. you know, we are still in a very, very you know, we are in early days. the outcome is unpredictable. the instability in the middle east, i think has been accelerated. and the question is, does donald trump actually understand or know what he is unleashed? i think there's a tendency sometimes to see these things in terms of news cycles. we're on day three. many of the players in the middle east will look at this in terms of decades. they will take the long term. and

what will happen with iran and how many other countries are watching this and realizing, you know what, this is the reason why we need to have nuclear weapons. this is the reason why we cannot be vulnerable anymore. so i'm looking at this in terms of the long term nuclear proliferation, because anyone who thinks that donald trump has just simply been the executive producer of a 48 hour trump show in the middle east, i think is incredibly naive. >> i think it was one of your colleagues, susan, at the new yorker, who recently wrote about donald trump and his patience. he has not been known for it. all you have to do is look back to his campaign once again, where he said he was going to solve all these problems in 24 hours, or maybe even before he took office. he's come up against the reality of how complex the world really is. but how much does patience play into this, susan? >> yeah. >> i mean, charlie. >> is absolutely right to

spotlight this as sort of a contest between the kind of, you know, 24 hour news cycle version of producing the presidency, which is often how donald trump looks at it, and the actual long term challenges that any president, democrat or republican would face. i mean, you know, we're talking about literally a generation of american presidents, all of america's cold war presidents from bill clinton on have been absolutely obsessed with this question of iran and its possibility to build a nuclear weapon. this is this is this is an issue that was keeping bill clinton up at night. george w bush barack obama, of course, negotiated the nuclear deal that donald trump withdrew from. and this, i think, is a great answer to your question. back in 2018, donald trump withdrew from the iran nuclear deal. although our own intelligence estimates did not find that iran was not in compliance with it. in fact, donald trump's own defense secretary and secretary of state at the time argued for the

united states to stay into that nuclear deal. you could say that while donald trump might have impulsively decided to join in this israeli campaign after netanyahu launched it a couple of weeks ago, that in reality, some version of this conflict was made inevitable by the decision that donald trump took back in 2018. and i just think that's a great example of, you know, i look at a lot of the coverage today and it's hysterical. it is it is literally breathless without any context, without any history. donald trump already has a long history of dealing with this issue, and i think that it's his own actions that in many ways that were a precursor to the inevitability of the strike that we are seeing over the last few days. >> i wish we had more time. susan glasser, congresswoman jane harman and charlie sykes, perhaps we can pick this up at another time. but thank you all so much for an important conversation. the mayoral primary vote that will not only set the direction of the biggest city in america, but could offer a path forward for the entire

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goodness they let you move inside. i saw you outside before and i thought, that's cruel and unusual. what are you hearing? what are you seeing today? >> right. so we may not know the results tonight. number one, if a candidate doesn't get more than 50%, then there's going to be the second round of tabulating. that's because here in new york city, chris, they have ranked choice voting. so you don't get to just have a first pick. you get to have a second, third, fourth and fifth. and when you're looking at this race, there's effectively andrew cuomo and then ten other candidates because there's been a lot of cross endorsing among those other candidates, all in an effort to stop andrew cuomo, who resigned four years ago as governor amid sexual harassment allegations from 11 women. and there's an effort to keep him from returning to power. and there's one name, particularly zoran mamdani, that has risen among the ranks here. he's a new york state assemblyman. he's 33 years old, and he has grown in popularity. he's a democratic socialist endorsed by alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie

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listen to him in terms of what his victory would mean. take a listen. if you win, what does this say about the city, but also the country. >> that we're ready for a new generation of leadership, that we're ready for a city we can afford, and that we're ready to actually vote for something, because that's what i've heard hunger to actually have a vision for what these five boroughs could be, not just a fear of what it is today. >> and he was actually out on the campaign trail today with brad lander, who, if you look at polling, could very well be in third place. he's the new york city comptroller who is arrested. is the trump administration was moving forward with its immigration enforcement efforts here. and those two men were actually on the trail together and were painting a picture of what they say should be a shared humanity in new york city. brad lander, he is a jewish longtime presence here in the city. and then you have mamdani, who would be the first muslim mayor of new york city. he is an immigrant again,

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posted on truth social i look forward to seeing all of my very good european friends and others. hopefully much will be accomplished. we shall see. he's scheduled to be on the ground for less than 24 hours, and of course we'll follow it for you. meantime, as of now, one unknown piece of information is key to the future of the iran-israel us conflict. what is the state of iran's nuclear program? well, just this morning, the president reiterated his claim that iran's nuclear sites were totally destroyed by us strikes. here's a look at the before and after pictures showing the damage to iran's nuclear sites and those us airstrikes. well, actually, what you see is the entry points for the bombs. what you don't see is how much damage was really done, because of course, that's far below the surface. and it is a big challenge for u.s. and allied intelligence. joining us now, marc polymeropoulos, former cia officer and an msnbc national security and intelligence

analyst, michael crowley is diplomatic correspondent for the new york times. great to have both of you here. so, marc, right now, how do we imagine the intelligence community is working to determine whether these sites were destroyed, as the president suggested? and i wonder, actually, if a definitive assessment realistically is possible? >> well, chris, it's. >> going to take some time. you know. >> clearly, with the. iran-israel crisis at the. >> top of the foreign policy. >> agenda, there's no more important. >> priority for the intelligence community. so what does that mean? it means satellite imagery, which actually, you see even commercial satellite imagery that. >> you just showed. >> that's not going to tell us a whole lot. but then it goes to things such as signals intelligence, which is intercepts of iranian communications leadership, communications intelligence, their intelligence services, their scientific community. and then it's going to be human sources on the ground. that is, you know, what human assets do we have who penetrated the various iranian institutions that could tell us what they're saying and thinking? throw on top of that the israeli intelligence community as well,

and the intelligence communities of our partners, the french, the british and others, because this is really important. you know, president trump has made some very bold claims that the iranian nuclear program has essentially been destroyed, but no real national security officials are going to say that without first proper bomb damage assessment after the strikes, but also that kind of results of this intelligence soak. and as michael will certainly profess, is, you know, this is really important for upcoming diplomatic negotiations. we have to know what iran still has. so a lot is riding on the performance of the intelligence community in the days and weeks ahead. >> well, there is a nuclear policy analyst who talked to the new yorker, mark, who said if the highly enriched uranium and centrifuge components are small, that means they're portable. they can be moved around the country, they can be hidden, and it's not an insignificant amount. the iaea estimates 900 pounds. so how do we know whether the highly enriched uranium and centrifuge components were moved, as was

suggested by some iranian officials, before those bombs ever hit? >> and chris, it was also suggested by the vice president, who i think backtracked a little bit. but at one point he said that perhaps this 400kg of near weapons grade uranium may have been moved. you know, there was all these photos of trucks outside the fordo facility. we don't know exactly what that means. there's different interpretations, of course, from different proliferation experts. but again, it's going to take intelligence to actually tell us if they were moved and of course, where they were moved. there was an israeli press report today quoting israeli officials say they actually might know where it was moved to. so i think there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes in terms of assessing exactly what happened here. and again, it is critically important for what would be pending negotiations now with the iranians over the program. >> it certainly also is, michael, a topic of conversation, if not the only topic of conversation at the nato summit where we just saw air force one land. do we think these world leaders, all by

trump's assessment, how much of their own intelligence are they relying on? give us a sense of that and how it will shape these conversations. >> yeah, chris, i. >> don't think that they buy. >> the president's assessment. and certainly no one is just going to go by, you know, a public assurance from the american president. they're going to be. >> relying heavily. >> on. their own. intelligence services, and they're also going to want to see facts and evidence from iran. another piece of this, chris, is that there are international nuclear inspectors whose job is to account for. >> the state. >> of iran's program. >> and a big question. >> is, you know, whether and when. >> the iranians will let. >> those un inspectors. >> see what has happened to their facilities and will they. >> you know, offer. >> a. >> full accounting of all of where all. their uranium is. >> so. >> you know, if they can't. >> essentially produce. >> it. >> and show it. >> to inspectors. >> which. >> i think is really what's going. >> to be required.

>> here to get serious negotiations. >> going, they're. going to. >> have to. give some. >> explanation for. >> where it is. >> and until they do. >> that. >> there's going to be. >> a very dark. shadow over them. >> and this is going to be in a state of flux and distrust, and. there can't be negotiations going forward. >> but. >> you know, and maybe you want to. >> turn to this. >> but i actually think that although there will be discussion. >> about iran here, chris. >> there's some really big questions. >> that are not. >> related that are going to be hashed out at this nato summit involving nato's budgeting. >> and ukraine. >> so this. >> conversation might. >> change pretty quickly. >> yeah. and when you talk about ukraine, when you when you talk about gaza, i mean, it's understandable that when america does something they've never done before, which is that they drop these bunker buster bombs and in a surprise attack on a saturday night, that that becomes a key topic of conversation. but has it in the world distracted from all the other things that are going on and that have dominated two

other wars that have dominated the conversation for so long? >> oh. >> it's certainly distracted. and as i. >> don't have to. >> tell you, chris. >> you know, a trump presidency. >> is just. >> constant sprint from one. crisis or. >> kettle boiling. >> to another. >> and it's hard for people to multitask and keep. >> their focus on all the things that are happening. but i do think that for an organization. >> like nato, these two questions. >> number one, how much. >> is trump going to. >> force nato members. >> to increase their defense spending to this. new target of 5% of gdp, which is going to be a very tough. hill for. >> many of these members to climb. >> how much is he going to demand this and perhaps imply that he won't defend or come to the defense. >> of nato members. >> who don't spend that. >> much money? >> that's a really big question. >> for. >> this organization. and then. >> the second. >> one is ukraine. and although

this iran crisis is massive, the ukraine war has been the dominant issue for ukraine, for nato since february of 2022. and i think these countries are desperate to know whether the united states is walking away from this war and ending its support for kyiv, or whether president trump could possibly be persuaded to provide more of the support that ukraine desperately needs to fight off the russians. at this point. >> when you look at worldwide security, mark, i mean, and the conversations that are going on now, it's clear from what we've heard from the president, his extreme frustration that the cease fire was broken. it's clear that he wants to take an unambiguous victory lap for ending the war, ending the conflict, killing any of iran's nuclear ambitions. but there have to be concerns by other countries. could they get embroiled in a way they don't want to in all of this? and if trump stokes divisions while he's there at nato, could that

just be playing into the hands of xi jinping? >> well, chris, i think that the big thing for the nato summit certainly is this european defense spending, nato defense spending at 5%. and that's what trump certainly wants. you know, he actually released a rather incredible text message he received from the nato secretary general, which was kind of this sycophantic groveling, saying that, you know, we're with you. we're going to get you to this, this percentage. but i think the europeans are doing this just to try desperately to get trump to do something positive on ukraine. and again, that really remains to be seen. there is been so many kind of threats of sanctions because of vladimir putin's intransigence. nothing's happened. zelensky will apparently be there at the meeting, so perhaps he'll be a trump zelensky, you know, one on one. but i think you're right when you say to that, you know, kind of china watches all of this dysfunction as well. and donald trump ran on this notion of fixing all the world's problems. and it seems to me that certainly that not as that's that's not transpired because frankly, these are

really intractable conflicts that take a lot of effort, just even one of them, to try to get to any kind of solution. and he's got multiple ones going on, whether it's gaza, whether it's israel, iran, or of course, the war between russia and ukraine. >> well, i'm told we just saw volodymyr zelensky, the president of ukraine, walking into the palace in ukraine in sorry, in the hague. so we'll see if that meeting takes place and we'll see when the president gets off the plane, what transpires over the next 24 hours or less when he's scheduled to be on the ground. marc polymeropoulos, michael crowley, thank you both. and still to come on, chris jansing reports the democratic plan to shake up leadership for one of the most important committees on capitol hill is generational change in the works. but first, it's a tunnel, a once secret tunnel that's set to become a public attraction 100ft below the streets of london. it was first built as a bomb shelter in the 1940s. then it became an

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>> donald trump. as you can see, the president leaving air force one and heading to the nato summit with the 32 member nations. the schedule this week a dramatically pared down just a couple of main events. president trump expected to depart then tomorrow night. in the meantime, generational change has come to the house democratic caucus, which now has a young, fresh face leading the opposition to president trump on the high profile oversight committee. congressman robert garcia, 47 years old, serving only his second term, has been selected to be the committee's next ranking member. now, this is a critical role that will become even more prominent if democrats take the house in next year's midterms. >> i am. >> incredibly honored to have been elected as the ranking member for the oversight committee. it is, i think, an opportunity for us to continue holding the corruption of donald trump accountable. we need to

focus on how are we going to hold corruption accountable, how are we going to protect the american public and actually make government work for the people? and i think in this case, i think our party is looking at expanding who's at that leadership table. and i think this, you know, this is a sign of support of that. >> let's bring in nbc news congressional correspondent julie garcia defeated two seasons septuagenarians in a highly competitive race. that was a secret ballot. tell us more. >> yeah. that's right. and he defeated stephen lynch, who was the most senior member of the oversight committee on the democratic side of the aisle. and not only did he defeat lynch, who's been the acting ranking member since, of course, gerry connolly had passed. he was the former chair or former ranking member, i should say, of that panel. garcia defeated him 150 votes to 63. that clearly tells you the direction that the democratic party, at least democratic rank and file members up here, want the party to go in and putting these fresh faces in extremely high profile positions. this is not just any old high profile committee. of

course, those exist in capitol hill and other panels, but this is the committee that will be conducting oversight of the administration. and just to give you a little bit of a taste, what the top republican on that panel is currently pursuing, james comer, he's doing an investigation into president biden and the autopen. so you certainly see here what garcia is going to have to contend with. but this is a big moment for him, as you mentioned, just his second term in congress. he was a freshman, obviously last term. this is a big ascent for garcia. he's got his hands full. i should note that initially, congresswoman ocasio-cortez expressed interest for this position. some see her, of course, as a rising star, somebody who could be on the ballot in 2028. she declined to go for this post, but garcia handily not just beating the other 70 something year olds, but also beating two of his colleagues that were in his freshman class. certainly getting the support of the hispanic caucus and others that endorsed him along the way here. but a big moment for him. >> chris. >> yeah. julie sirkin, thank you. that does it for us this

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