>> that does it. >> for us tonight, but if you have not gotten your. >> fill. >> check out our msnbc newsletter, project 47, for analysis on this administration's. latest moves. the moves that will affect everyone. scan the qr code on your screen right now to sign up, or go to. msnbc.com seven. >> but for now, i am signing off. and from all of us here at msnbc, thank you for. >> staying up late. >> with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. >> good evening from washington. i'm catherine rampell in for chris hayes. tonight, i want to begin by taking us all back to a gentler, simpler time january 21st, 2017, which was donald trump's second day as president. that day, he sent out his press

secretary, sean spicer, for an unscheduled six minute press conference to yell at journalists who had the gall to accurately report on the relatively small size of trump's inaugural crowd. >> yesterday. >> at a time when our nation and the world was watching the peaceful transition of power, and as the president said, the transition in the balance of power from washington to the citizens of the united states. members, some members of the media were engaged in deliberately false reporting. photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular tweet, to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the national mall. inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted. this was. >> the. >> largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period. these attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the inauguration are shameful and wrong. >> so obviously sean spicer's claims were absurd. here, his blown up, selectively cropped

photos of the inauguration crowd were misleading. the whole scene was so silly. it spawned one of snl's most memorable impersonations. >> as you know, president. >> trump announced. his supreme. >> court pick on. >> national tv today. when he entered the room, the crowd greeted him with a standing ovation. which lasted a full 15 minutes. >> and you. >> can check the tape on that. everyone was smiling. everyone was happy. >> and then all. >> had erections, and. >> every single one. >> of the women was ovulating left and right. >> that was the very first white house fight, massaging the ego of the most powerful and yet somehow also most insecure man in the world. and it was a little bit hard not to think of that this morning, as secretary of defense pete hegseth held a press conference with one

mission to rake the pentagon press corps over the coals because new reporting has called into question donald trump's claims that he, quote, completely obliterated, unquote, iran's nuclear program. >> you see, we're here this morning because in hunting for scandals all the time in trying to find wedges and spin stories, this press corps and the press corps miss historic moments. president trump directed the most complex and secretive military operation in history, and it was a resounding success, resulting in a cease fire agreement and the end of the 12 day war. you and i mean specifically you, the press, specifically you, the press corps, because you cheer against trump so hard. it's like in your dna and in your blood to cheer against trump because you want him not to be successful so bad.

you have to cheer against the efficacy of these strikes. how about we take a beat? recognize first the success of our warriors, hold them up. tell their stories, celebrate that. wave an american flag. be proud of what we accomplished. >> the reason for hegseth rant was a preliminary defense intelligence report, saying the strikes had only set iran's nuclear program back by a few months. but if, as hegseth claimed, that report was premature and politically motivated, then surely so were trump's declarations that iran's program was obliterated. today, when fox veteran pentagon reporter jennifer griffin asked about where iran's stores its enriched uranium, hegseth responded by attacking her personally. >> are you certain none of that highly enriched uranium was moved? >> of course, we're watching every single aspect. but jennifer, you've been about the worst. the one who misrepresents the most intentionally. what

what the president says. i'm familiar. >> about the. ventilation shafts on saturday night. and in fact, i was the. first to describe. >> the. >> b-2 bombers. the refueling. >> the entire. >> mission with great accuracy. so i, i take issue with that. >> it is just like that inauguration crowd fight. but this time the stakes are so much higher. we are talking about a military conflict in the middle east, not a crowd size. and we are not getting any real clarity on what comes next from our own government. in fact, after this morning's performance, hegseth joined secretary of state marco rubio on capitol hill to give the senate its first classified briefing on the iran strike. and democrats and actually even a few republicans came out of that briefing with even more questions. >> obviously, i can't share any. >> of the. >> details from. >> this briefing, but. >> i just. >> do. >> not. think the president. was telling the truth. >> when.

>> he said this program was obliterated. there were. certainly damaged under the program. >> but there. >> is a. significant there's. >> still significant. >> remaining capability. >> the program was. >> obliterated at. >> those three sites. >> but they still have ambitions. i don't. >> know where the 900. >> pounds of highly. enriched uranium. >> exists, but it. wasn't part of the target set. >> what was. >> clear is. >> that there. >> was no. >> coherent strategy. >> no endgame. >> no plan. >> senator richard blumenthal is a democrat of connecticut. he serves on the armed services committee and was in that classified hearing. he joins me now. senator, thanks so much for joining me. what were your top line impressions as you came out of that briefing today? >> i left that briefing with scant comfort that we know. how much of iran's nuclear arms program has been destroyed, or how long it will take them to rebuild it if they choose to do so. anybody who is using that

term completely obliterated is making it up, and i certainly wouldn't use that term. what we were told in private today in this classified setting. and i can't go into the details, but it was far different than the tone and content of what you heard from the secretary of defense this morning in his briefing. and i will just say very flatly, there's no reason right now for a mission accomplished moment. i'm in awe of the brave and courageous, courageous and competent military men and women who executed this mission. but we. need a final battle assessment, a damage assessment, before we can draw any conclusions about how severely damaged iran's nuclear program, in fact, has been. >> one person who was noticeably

absent from the briefing today, as i understand it, was the director of national intelligence, tulsi gabbard, and she was sidelined after president trump said bluntly said that her testimony from march, when she asserted that iran was not building a nuclear weapon, was wrong. how concerned does all of this make you about the administration's approach to intelligence? that she wasn't there. >> the person in. >> her position has to be trusted. to coordinate and draw together all the different strands of the sources of intelligence. the director of the cia was there today and was pretty forthcoming. but still i emerged with more questions than answers. and the person in tulsi gabbard's position as the director of national intelligence is the one to answer many of those questions. so i think that what we see here

is the lack of a strategy. and obviously we need strength, but strategy is critical. also, this time may be a moment for diplomacy. bombing our way to peace simply won't work. and the director of national intelligence in her position, if she isn't trusted. >> or competent. >> she ought to be replaced. >> i know you can't tell us what you actually heard in the briefing, but you mentioned that you have some unanswered questions. can you share what some of those unanswered questions are that you're still trying to seek information on? >> that's really the question of the moment. and thank you for asking it. i want to know where the enriched uranium is. the mission of this very, very important military operation. apparently, i've heard a number of my colleagues say in public was not to destroy the uranium, but in fact, that's what constitutes a major threat,

because enriched uranium obviously can be converted into a bomb. how long would it take to make a bomb? what are the intentions of the iranian government? we won't know them with certainty, but at least we have some pretty good sources. and finally, where are the centrifuges? are they still at fordow and the other sites that were bombed? again, the military did its mission with tremendous competence and skill and should be really applauded for it. but its job is not to do the assessment, as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said this morning, the intelligence community is responsible for the battle damage assessment, and so we need more of those kinds of answers to key questions here. and so far, the american people haven't gotten them. they're the ones who need them and deserve them, not just the congress.

history teaches us that when the american people are not in support of a president, it's very, very difficult to wage war or achieve a lasting peace. >> so do you think you didn't get the answers to those questions because they're still not known, or because the administration knows, but is reluctant to share that information for whatever reason? >> i think a combination, catherine, first of all, the president has a narrative. he has his story, and he's sticking to it. his story began the night of the strike in iran. he was out ahead of his intelligence community in saying that iran's nuclear capacity has has been fully obliterated. it couldn't have been based on even a preliminary assessment. but now he's threatening to sue a number of media outlets, cnn and the new york times, because they published a version of the

assessment based on a intelligence community preliminary assessment that contradicted that narrative. so he is hardly in favor of providing the whole truth. now, at the same time, in fairness, the intelligence community, a really accurate and reliable assessment takes time. the dust has barely settled at fordow, for example, knowing how effective those 12 bombs were in penetrating the layers of concrete as well as the mountain itself, will take some time and expertise, and we are going to be relying, frankly, on israeli intelligence as well as our own, who has on the ground human surveillance, just as we do aerial surveillance. this business is complicated. >> risky, messy. >> and so we need to take the time to fully assess what the results were. >> yeah, i think we're all

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republican senator bill cassidy. the promise was that he would leave the cdc expert vaccine advisory panel in place. however, earlier this month, he fired every single one of them and he replaced them with known anti-vax activists. rfk's new panel met for the first time this week to discuss vaccines, including what is typically an uncontroversial flu shot. today's meeting featured this presentation about a preservative called thimerosal that hasn't been used in most vaccines since the 90s. so i mentioned that because it it suggests that what you are about to hear makes almost no sense. in a vaccine presentation made in the year 2025. >> the research that resulted in thimerosal not being recognized as being generally accepted as safe and effective and over-the-counter products was published decades ago, but today those concerns still exist. removing a known. neurotoxin from being injected. into our

most vulnerable population is a good place to start with. making america healthy again. >> that presenter you just heard is lynn redwood. she does not have a medical degree or a doctorate. her primary health credential is her former role as the head of the children's health defense, which is an anti-vaccine group founded by rfk jr. eventually, fortunately, actual doctors and vaccine experts got to weigh in on redwood's presentation during the panel's public comment section. >> i'm not quite sure how to respond to this presentation. this is an old issue. >> that has. >> been addressed in the past. of all. >> the issues. >> that i think we acip. >> needs to. >> focus on. this is not a big issue. even though the established data for decades

really speaks to the safety and efficacy of thimerosal, if necessary. will there be an actual cdc presentation done by staff, scientists, physicians, and those who are subject. matter experts with accurate, peer reviewed scientific data for the ability for the committee to review? or will we have layperson presentations? >> only vaccines are not political. you will be responsible for. >> the loss. >> of life. >> if you walk. >> back accepted immunization schedules and limit access to vaccines. >> there are bigger things that this committee needs to focus its limited time on. but kennedy's new squad appears to be interested in reexamining settled issues. in fact, they voted to recommend only thimerosal free flu vaccines to children and pregnant women. in the end, that's despite the fact that 96% of flu shots in the u.s. were already thimerosal free well before today's meeting began. on tuesday, kennedy was

in front of a house committee to answer for this and this new advisory panel. >> did you lie to senator cassidy when you told him you would not change this panel of experts? >> i never made that agreement. >> for most of us sitting here right now, we believe senator cassidy more than we trust you when it comes to vaccinations. it sounds to me like you gave him the answer he needed to hear in order to get his confirmation vote. and then as soon as you were secretary, you turned around and did whatever you want. >> democratic congresswoman and pediatrician kim schrier from washington state joins me now. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us and letting us both your political and health expertise. now that we have seen this vaccine advisory panel in action, what are your thoughts on them? what do you make after? what do you make of this panel after they finished their first meeting? >> well. >> catherine, first of all,

thank you for calling attention to this issue and i am coming to you today. as you know, the pediatrician in congress and a mom and somebody who really prizes being the champion for children and children's health and safety. and i have been fearing exactly what happened today. i mean, the first part of that hearing the other day was that i was asking rfk jr what he knew about measles and pertussis and meningitis, and he knew nothing. he has no idea how important it is to prevent these terrible diseases that will come back if he messes with the childhood vaccine schedule. and he did put a bunch of his i mean, i'll call them crony friends onto this panel. they came in with a predetermined agenda, looked at pseudoscience, brought up issues that are non-issues, and then made recommendations that will put specifically pregnant women at risk.

>> one of the other things that appears to be on the table right now is that various vaccines could be removed from the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. what would that mean in practice? does that mean that parents could still get the shots for their children if they so choose, but they might have to pay out of pocket? would medicaid still cover these vaccines? can you walk us through the consequences of changing that recommendation? >> well, there are. >> a lot. >> of concerns here and fears here and unknowns. i mean, we have rarely, if ever, had a vaccine removed from the schedule unless it was for a reason that everybody agreed a child should not get that vaccine anymore. and so here's what happens. it's a cascade. if a vaccine isn't recommended, then schools who base school requirements on the acip recommendations might not require any vaccinations to come

to school. in addition, insurance companies are off the hook. they wouldn't have to pay for those vaccines, which means probably medicaid and schip wouldn't be paying for them either. at least under this administration, it means we would not be able to trust the science coming out of this sham panel at the cdc. and, you know, if somebody has to pay cash for their vaccinations and the schools aren't requiring that, they get them. i just fear this is a very fast path to children once again dying from diseases that are 100% vaccine preventable. >> senator roger marshall outlined what he what has been referred to as the make america healthy again agenda. earlier this year, i think we have a clip to play. >> by the. >> time you come to my. >> office as a doctor, i can impact maybe 10 or 20%. >> of. your your health

outcomes. >> we need to make. >> these these healthy. >> foods. >> affordable, available. >> as. >> well, and then try to eliminate and minimize the toxins that we're exposed to. >> there are obviously food assistance cuts in the one big beautiful bill that is now under consideration. even if food assistance is supposed to be the solution for making america healthy again, or at least more access to nutritious foods, what do you make of that part of the agenda? and what would be the consequences, do you think, for the nation's public health if in fact, that bill does become law? >> that's right. i mean, this sounds like pure hypocrisy to me right there, talking about healthy food and yet cutting snap the dollars that people can take to their local supermarket to buy healthy food. they're not supporting programs like we have one in washington state called double up bucks, where you can get double those food assistance dollars if you're using them for

fresh fruits and vegetables. they also dodged out the program that allows local farmers to get their produce to food banks so that people in need can get healthier food. so everything this administration and republican leadership in the house and the senate are doing is going exactly against the best interests of the people they represent. and then on top of that, they're slashing medicaid, which is where kids and people who are more in need get their health care and also get their vaccinations. >> yeah. i mean, not to mention the fact that if the agenda is about removing environmental toxins from air and water and, you know, and other things that children are exposed to, we're also hearing stories about potentially rolling back asbestos restrictions and allowing power plants to pump more arsenic and mercury. yeah.

>> that's right. and in in my committee, the energy and commerce committee, all they can do is try to introduce bills that will just bring back coal, which is exactly what we don't need. if we're talking about public health. >> congresswoman kim schrier, thank you so much for your time with us. now, i want to bring in nbc news senior reporter brandy zadrozny. excuse me, brandy zadrozny. she has reported extensively on kennedy and the anti-vax group he founded. thank you so much for joining us. so we saw lin redwood's presentation earlier. give us a sense of her background, her ideology, why she was there. >> lin redwood was there. i'll start with why she was there, because she is a longtime friend of kennedy. she went on his podcast when he was running for president during that failed run. and she said kennedy described her as the woman who started the stalking campaign to get him into this movement. so she is a mother of a child who

she thinks was injured by vaccines since that day in the 90s, when she thinks she found this out, she became a staunch anti-vaccine activist. now she is a nurse, and so she has some medical background, and she has parlayed that into this sort of false sense of expertise. and that's really what you saw on display at the meeting today in redwood. was the president of safe minds, or she was one of the founders of safe minds, a very early anti-vaccine organization. she then co-founded and was the president of the world mercury project and children's health defense, which of course, is robert f kennedy's junior's organization until he left it to run hhs. so they have a long, long, long known each other. and she really is one of the ideological sort of giants of the anti-vaccine movement. >> so, brandy, you cover a lot of these internet subcultures.

what kind of discussion are you seeing around this subject right now? vaccines, particularly among younger parents. >> it's hard to say. i mean, there are, you know, there are sex within this sect. so it's there are very few people i would say that are anti-vaccine, and most all of them right now seem to be in washington. and, you know, hobnobbing with kennedy in this make america wealthy again movement. most of the people who are talking about vaccines are online or even vaccine hesitant, curious are young parents. and so, you know, when you're up in the middle of the night, i have three children. i have been pregnant. and, you know, when you're up in the middle of the night and you're googling weird questions, you can't always talk to your doctor. but online there's lots of information. the problem is most of it that's easily identifiable and that really flies on social media happens to be misinformation. and it really is. you know, i can tell you

this. candace owens, who is a far right broadcaster, said the other day she was talking about, you know, now there's a lot of information, information about vaccines and their dangers, warning young parents. but for a long, long time, the only game in town was children's health defense, she said. and they are the architects of these lies. and so now we have a broad coalition of make america healthy again and, you know, far right politicians who are embracing this anti-vaccine rhetoric. so it's widened a lot because of covid, because covid made more than just pregnant moms. google about vaccines. now, everybody cared about vaccines. so you have a larger sort of base of people that are curious and hesitant and, you know, just plain skeptical about them. but the true anti-vaccine community right now, again, it is very small, and they are celebrating this win today. >> brandy zadrozny, thank you so much for your time this evening. still ahead, after a supreme

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medicaid to access health care from planned parenthood. just to be clear, it was already illegal for medicaid to pay planned parenthood or for that matter, any other provider for abortions except in very, very limited circumstances. rape. incest. life of the mother. the court's

6 to 3 ruling allows south carolina to stop patients who rely on the government insurance program from using planned parenthood for any health services. south carolinians who relied on the clinic for things like cancer screenings, birth control or lgbtq patient support all totally unrelated to abortion, can no longer use their usual provider. the case stems from south carolina's decision in 2018 to kick planned parenthood out of its medicaid program. that was a decision that the state's republican governor, henry mcmaster, made to, quote, protect the sanctity of life, unquote. but after this supreme court ruling, any other state that wants to block funding for planned parenthood simply because it also offers abortion services that don't use taxpayer funds, will be able to do that. so now the poorest americans could lose the right to get routine health care from the provider of their choice. joining me now is alexis mcgill

johnson. she is the president and ceo of the planned parenthood action fund. alexis, thanks so much for joining us. so my first question for you is what services are at stake here? >> what you just named birth control sti testing and treatment, access to wellness exams, cancer screening. you know, i. >> mean. >> as you named medicaid was not paying for abortion services. and yet, governor mcmaster made it clear that his entire agenda was about denying access to, you know, patients using medicaid at planned parenthood because he had an ideological agenda and because he had the power to weaponize medicaid. and the supreme court agreed with him, and they effectively decided that state state officials can pick your health care provider for you based on what their ideological agenda is. and it's absolutely horrific and unconscionable. >> what does all of this mean

for planned parenthood as an organization in itself? >> you know, look, i mean, as i said, i this is not a decision that is going to be limited to planned parenthood, nor is it is it a decision that is going to be limited to south carolina. you know, what the supreme court has done is effectively denied people the dignity to decide who their provider is going to be. and they've also denied the justice for patients to be able to sue to determine who their provider is going to be. and so we expect to see a number of states, states that also share the same ideological agenda as governor mcmaster and south carolina, try to, you know, kick planned parenthood out of being able to get reimbursed for the services that they provide, like any other healthcare provider across the states that also have a, you know, strong bias against

abortion as healthcare. and that is going to impact so many people, millions of people living in all these states. >> i want to talk a little bit more about what happens to the patients themselves, who might lose access to care at planned parenthood or other clinics that are affected by this court decision. one of the largest crisis pregnancy center groups, which are these places that persuade women who are pregnant not to have abortions. they're now telling their member clinics to avoid performing prenatal ultrasounds on women who they suspect have ectopic pregnancies. that's according to recordings obtained by nbc news. so if the local planned parenthood in an area is forced to shut down, what kind of quality of care will patients end up with? whether they end up at a crisis pregnancy center or what other whatever other options are available?

>> well. >> look, we actually have data and history on what happens when health centers shut down, right? during covid when, you know, obviously people had limited access to getting care in clinic. we saw a spike in stis, including chlamydia, which has a direct relationship to left untreated, to ectopic pregnancies and the impact of, you know, obviously having an ectopic pregnancy and not having that treated means incredible danger to the to the, the life of the person who, who is pregnant with that that potential ectopic pregnancy, both for the life of the of the parent as well as the, as the embryo. that is something that we will see over and over again. when you see the impact of these of these centers closing. and so i think it's really important for us to remember in this

moment that the supreme court has made this decision to limit access now to planned parenthood for patients who have used medicaid as their insurance. we also have congress that is working its way through a congressional defund of planned parenthood that could impact a million patients, that could impact 200 health centers that are at risk of closure. and when you again, close health centers in communities, that may be the first point of entry for many people into the health care system. it means that we are a greater risk for seeing the kinds of increases in everything from, you know, missing access to birth control to getting the sti treatment and care that they need. and for the centers that may be at risk of closure, many of them are in states that actually still provide abortion access. so we're going to see

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party and preventing democrats from slowing it down through something called a filibuster. you can't just put anything in a bill that goes through this special process, though. you have to follow pretty strict guidelines and constraints that are under the jurisdiction of a government official known as the senate parliamentarian. and now the senate parliamentarian is striking down a lot of what republicans want to put in their big, beautiful bill because it doesn't meet those constraints, including some of those proposed medicaid cuts, specifically a provision related to a special provider tax that 49 states rely on. and to be clear, this happens every time one of these bills come up comes up. the same parliamentarian struck down a bunch of stuff that democrats tried to do under joe biden as well. nevertheless, republicans, to put it lightly, are not happy with senator tommy tuberville of alabama calling for, quote, the woke senate parliamentarian to be fired. congressman robert garcia is a democrat of california. he's the new ranking

member of the oversight committee. and he joins me now. congressman, what would these proposed medicaid cuts mean for your own constituents? >> well, i think we should be really clear. we're talking about. >> the. >> possibility of 16 million americans, including folks back home. in my community, losing. >> their health care. >> we're also. >> talking an additional 4. >> million young. >> people. >> families losing. possible benefits as it relates to food assistance. so this is a incredibly cruel bill. and for what ends, it's so that we can do. >> a wealth. transfer from hardworking. >> americans and so that. billionaires and large. companies can receive huge tax breaks. and so what's. >> happening right now in. >> the senate. >> where there's a little. >> hope that this process with the. >> parliamentarian could slow. >> this down, take some of. >> these cuts out. >> and what folks need to understand. >> is, even if you're not. >> on medicaid, this will actually impact hospitals that use medicaid so that your. coverage will actually be worse. so let's hope that this slow down. let's hope republicans

actually get some sense. >> and help stop this bill. >> so as i mentioned before, there's been discussion among republican senators about firing the senate parliamentarian. i know you're not obviously in the senate, but what consequences do you think that might have for the passage of this bill? and really, the future of legislation in this country? >> well, that's a nonstarter for us, obviously. i mean, look, the parliamentarian in the senate has taken. >> out provisions of these bills. >> obviously, decades. including bills that. >> democrats supported. and so it is. a nonpartisan. >> look at a very complex. >> process to pass a bill. >> like this. >> with only a simple majority. so that would be absolutely unacceptable, not. just to democrats in. >> the senate. >> but. >> of course to us in the house. >> and so we've got to support the process. and sometimes it doesn't go our way and we accept it. >> this time. it's not going the. >> way of these massive cuts to medicaid. >> and they've got to let that

go. and the broader. issue here is that. >> republicans simply have no interest. >> in actually legislating. >> on. >> the things that people care about. people thought they were. >> going to focus on lowering the cost of goods, on lowering the cost. >> of health care. >> on lowering the cost of housing. >> and instead. they're. >> trying. to rip away health. >> care and medicaid from people who need it the most. and so. >> i don't know how republicans are going to put this all together. they're talking about trying to get this. >> done before july 4th. >> that is now looking shaky. >> and so. >> we'll see what the next days and the next. >> week holds. >> well, i think we should separate a couple of things here. right. one is about the merits of this bill itself and finding ways around sort of the refs to try to get it through. but there's also a question about the longer term consequences here. if in fact, republicans, even the institutionalists republicans in the senate decide to effectively overrule the parliamentarian or fire the parliamentarian or otherwise undercut her, which

would, as i understand it, be kind of tantamount to getting rid of the filibuster, making it easier to pass things along party lines and things that may not have not only supermajority support in the legislature, in the senate, but within the country overall. so i guess what i'm asking you is, what do you think the consequences are for governance, for democratic with a small d leadership in this country? if this is the route that senators decide to go down. >> i mean, there's two things. i mean, one is we will see even. more harmful bills that will impact the country, especially working class. >> people. veterans who rely on health care. >> small business. >> owners. >> people that. >> are. vulnerable in this country. >> republicans will try. >> to ram. >> through this, through this type of process, these simple majority bills that will harm more and more americans through donald trump's agenda. and let's. >> also stick with those. >> long term implications. >> that is going to actually destroy. >> the way we do bills.

>> in this country. and then when democrats have power again, that will i can guarantee. >> you republicans. >> are going to try. >> to oppose. >> some of the provisions. >> we're going. >> to try to put in. >> place to actually. help people. and it's a destruction of our. >> institution, of the way we do things in this country. republicans continue to break the law, break the. >> constitution, throw. >> away the. >> rules. >> and lie. >> over and over and over again to get their. >> agenda done. we've got to stand with the parliamentarian. >> just like democrats accepted. >> the parliamentarian's. >> rulings in years past. >> it's got to be the same way in. >> this instance right now. >> congressman robert garcia, thanks so much. that is it for all. in this thursday night. the briefing with jen psaki starts right now. good evening jen. >> hi catherine. first of all, i'm so grateful for your wonky, nerdy intellect here. it is so needed in this moment. but i also know how hard it is to be very pregnant in 97 degrees at the end of june, so you should go home, put your feet up. great show and we'll talk to you soon. >> thank you. i'm going to put

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